WE NEED THESE… teenage engineering EP-133 updates!

[@SONWU]

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[@kacpernowacki4654]

Hi @SONWU I love your videos. I’m planning on starting journey with creating music. I’m really in love with the idea of op-1 field and all your tutorial videos. I’m very geeky, passionate about sound and music. I’ve found one used one for a 1000 British pounds. Would you say I should go for it? Do you think the field will still get plenty of updates? Any help in making the decision would be greatly appreciated!

[@SONWU]

@@kacpernowacki4654 Hi, thanks for the nice feedback. Regarding synth purchases: A common "wisdom" you will hear is that you shouldn't buy anything in the hope of future updates. They may never come. So if the feature set doesn't convince you now, it may not be for you. That being said, I think there will be some updates. How significant will they be? I have no idea… Regarding the price, it depends on what they usually go for in the UK. But it sounds alright to me. If you think you can sell it again for a similar price, then there's also no risk involved. Good luck!

[@kacpernowacki4654]

@@SONWU thank you so much! They sell brand new for around 1.6-1.8k and this is by 150 pounds best offer I received so I’m sure I can sell it and even make a little money on it. The future set is incredible to me already and I’m sure I would be happy with just the way it is. However doing research on teenage engineering they promised 10 year support which I believe the previous op-1 has received so I’m fairly confident there will be still some major updates in the future. Once again thank you for all your help!

[@freezerman5871]

We would also need a discard function, when you sample, the trim, a way to get rid of the unused parts so they don't use up the RAM..., also useful if you use 'chop' because then the reference for the chopped sample is the trimmed sample. And one last important feature to me is 'export/import per project' using the 'sample tool' (and if it could work offline... well that would be great). Also a simple way to reset the knobs to middle value would be nice.

[@motionpicturek]

Song mode as well. Just playing all my scenes one after the other.

[@SONWU]

Sounds great!

[@summarity]

Single most important thing! ANY functionality to do this. Scene change quantization to longest pattern? Song mode? Program change over MIDI? I'll take ANYTHING.

[@djbowlz2128]

Song mode for sure. Just play scenes in order and be able to choose how many times a scene repeats.

[@OPdbx]

It still blows my mind that they didn’t add this. Even the po-33 can do this

[@motionpicturek]

@@OPdbx well to be honest I get why it's not there... It's a way to push other products like the TP 7 to record your song, and the CM 15 mic all of these paired into the TX 6 mixer... And opz for a synth... I don't hate it, alot of companies do this, we just feel short changed that the EP 133 didn't come out with the bells and whistles the pocket operator had... Let's hope those updates come out, because I think that's what hindering us from appreciating the EP 1320

[@anfib]

The main thing that I feel is the big problem with this machine is you cant chain patterns together which you can do with the PO33.

[@MrBrappedOut]

Not being able to reverse a sample was a surprise for me when I first got my EP-133. It was pretty much a standard feature on samplers back in the 90s. Right away i was on the teenage engineering site making a feature request for it.

[@NoiseSoundDestructor]

Yeah, I was enjoing mine, but then i needed to reverse some cymbal, and bam! You cant! :D still love this machine, but they need to add that asap. And resampling tho.

[@biiiiiiiliiiiiiieeiiiilisssshh]

A more fast and easy way to mute/unmute A B C D, or even a way to mute/unmute just specific pad(s) inside a group

[@ezekielchentnik]

- midi improvements for sequencing external gear (importing/exporting .midi, program changes) - exporting individual projects - dim mode: a way to dim the screen for less distracting blinking

[@johnringopowers4527]

Amazing! Thanks Son, I was JUST thinking about some of these yesterday. The first one I would wish for out of your list is definitely RESAMPLING. Thanks for this

[@fabianobe]

hands-free is my number 1 wish for this device!

[@Jenghiss]

per-project import export, pattern chaining, portamento, and pitch bending per sound/pad would be really nice. filtering per sample (with resonance) would also be great, but this would somewhat be alleviated by having resampling

[@bernossi5185]

I am really Hoping for a KO2 device that has more MEMORY or SD capabilities and maybe a few more voices of polyphony plus everything you mentioned. This Device has A LOT of potential and is so much fun already i hope they expand on it.

[@biiiiiiiliiiiiiieeiiiilisssshh]

The 64mb was what made me hesitate so much before buying it. I mean, we're in 2024, a 64GB unit would totally be doable at not extra cost

[@jigs1758]

TE should fix the way the EP-133 handles incoming MIDI. The EP-133 currently listens to incoming Midi on all 16 channels. It seems simple enough to fix because Midi Out on EP-133 works fine, you can go into the settings and assign a pad to send Midi signals out on a specific channel. I'm skeptical they can even fix this because it's such a basic settings option that it should have been there from Day 1.

[@e-conrecords4665]

Support for 12bit, 8bit samples for that extra crunch, and to fit more samples on the drive.

[@savabotic]

Audio over USB and FX per group please!

[@incognito_black]

they should add a way to select sounds without triggering the pad. That way one could change the pitch of an individual sound mid performance without having to click in time.

[@biiiiiiiliiiiiiieeiiiilisssshh]

Exactly! So far the 133 is a good unit to play around and chill, but in terms of doing a live performance with it, there it lacks a lot i think. Not enough editing functionality WHILE in play mode

[@cresshead]

re - resampling 1. would also be nice to have tools to speed up a sample before resampling to gain memory back 2. truncating samples - probably make this a sample tool edit thing as you'll get the wave display too.. so you can actually TRIM (throw away) any dead space before or after the wave .. right now TRIM just sets a start end locator...nothing gets removed/deleted from the file. memory management is quite an important thing with just 64mb space or 32mb on medieval. 3. normalise level

[@TimOliver]

Good list. I agree with all of these. I would also add quantize for entire pattern. I’ve often found I wanted to adjust the swing after I’ve recorded everything … and to have to TC it for each sound individually is quite annoying. Ideally I’d like to hear it adjust the whole pattern during playback so I can adjust it to taste.

[@SONWU]

That would be nice indeed!

[@stavflow]

I think an easy way to export all the stems to a DAW like Ableton would be amazing. Find it to be a huge set back compared to Ableton Move e.g. where you can just simply get your idea into Live and straight continue work from there. Do you think TE will work on that?

[@jetski123]

Resampling will be limited with the 64mb storage, unless they expand storage through usb. More extensive automation of FX and punch in fx would be an alternative solution.

[@SONWU]

Sure, 64mb is limited…but you can always delete your original sample after resampling it with fx. Also you could pitch up and resample to save space!

[@rethardotv5874]

I miss song mode like in the PO

[@SONWU]

I missed that!

[@elekktrikk_home_video]

First I thought you bought the Medieval EP as update for the first iteration :) Interesting video. I read somewhere they have a browser based editor. I think, it’s easier to take it for what it is, not what it could be. There are specialized sampler classics for each direction: MPCs, 404s, OP-1s, digitakts and octatracks. That should cover it all in the hardware realm. Many wishes can be fulfilled with just 2 units.

[@michaeltonn8028]

Definitely needs the looping of samples as you mentioned. For me it's a huge detractor!!!

[@michaeltonn8028]

and the arpeggiator yes please

[@dertyp6767]

recording punch in fx is the biggest one for me,

[@nilsk3656]

The list looks almost complete to me. We also need pattern oder scene chaining. Also already possible on the K.O..

[@ilyesbensaber9466]

They should definitely add something to program a sequence of scene so we could make a complete song that just play by itself

[@biiiiiiiliiiiiiieeiiiilisssshh]

Exactly... see how the 1320 has demo songs ... that would be great to be able to stock our own songs in a similar section

[@ashleyprincewashington2130]

Definitely good updates !!!!!

[@ezekielchentnik]

- In ep sample tool: when you hit the pad, jump to the sample in the sample list (enable behavior with checkbox?) - be able to change Level, Pitch, Tune, Vel, Pan, etc. without the fader e.g. see them as options in sound edit (shift + edit) or while selecting them with the fader button let the knobs adjust the value; or quick press where you hold down shift+sound and select the parameter and be able to move fader or knob

[@ezekielchentnik]

- pad muting - ability to rename categories in ep sample tool - custom metronome sounds (can be assigned to a pad)

[@skinberry2]

Please, add a proper midi input channel for each group instead of the omni mode !

[@obscuresoundz]

lower rate samples; like 32khz or 22khz so can fit more samples into the 64MB limit

[@SONWU]

👌

[@daaveed1323]

This is a great list, I'd more than likely use all of these features. I see people have posted song mode which isn't surprising. Personally I'd like to see a companion app for apple/android.

[@Powhart]

Oooooh that’s a good one buddy! And makes a lot of sense since it’s a portable sampler

[@Powhart]

I agree with every single idea you have, and from what I know so far the KO II is using almost none of the cpu power it has, so I believe it could handle all of those things. The only thing You missed that I want would be a “hardware sequencer”. In this mode you choose a pad and all of the 16 pads would represent one step of the sequence of that particular sound or pad, then the X Y could be used for micro timing and velocity when you hold down the step you want to edit.

[@ndguardian]

Don't know if you noticed this too, but not only does the 1320 have some semblance of multisampling, but it also has sample looping as well. I noticed this when testing one of the vocal samples by having it play out for like a minute straight just to make sure that's what was happening.

[@lllorez]

Is there a way to quickly tell on the Medieval which stock sounds are muiltisampled as your browsing through them?

[@AYATOLLAHBEATS]

I love both machines👌🏾🔊🎵🎼

[@alessandroa.2800]

Thanks for the video 🙌 My list: - song mode (like po 33) - arpeggiator - a basic game (like on op1)

[@SONWU]

My pleasure! Thank you!

[@lllorez]

Yes to all of these and add them to the Medieval as well. One FX per group would be great. Also, the ability to set all my scenes in an order an just push play and listen to them as a song like the demos are set up in the Medieval. Plus more visual feed back on the Medieval on things like the threshold setting when setting to sample in from the mic.

[@cresshead]

modulation - pads are pressure sensitiive so why no have the option to lean into a pad and it gets some modulation as it plays back.. recordable of course

[@issmodissmo1485]

I agree on all of these things. Good video

[@SONWU]

Thanks!

[@rogerwerder7251]

- Hands Free - Song Mode - Chain Patterns - Mute Patterns & Groups - Resampling - Loop - expand storage through USB - Arpegiator

[@ferenclucas2842]

if the only way to sequence a full song with this is to just use it as a sound module through midi, Does each midi channel play a group or does each midi channel play a pad? If using it as a module, If you want some instruments to play as scales and some instruments to play individual samples, can you have that work if your sequencer is your daw and the 133 is just a module?

[@ferenclucas2842]

Is there a way currently to advance scenes automatically? if not internally, is there a way to advance scenes from a daw through recorded midi messsge of some kind? how could you use this like a drum machine where the whole song's changes are programmed, either internally or through midi and the song plays start to finish by itself?

[@summarity]

No there isn't. The MIDI spec says it responds to program change, but that's a lie.

[@suninmyeyesyes]

can't you record an effect to group with a live fader move to lock in the sound of an effect for one group, and then change the slider fx to something else and it keeps the old one recorded?

[@SONWU]

Nope, it will just send the recorded levels to the new effect once you switch it.

[@thatskyfox]

- Sequence change 2 and 4 bars quantization - Permanent trim of the sample - Sound presets (sample+trim+env+…). How many times I accidentally switched the sound on some pad which resets all of the settings and had to recreate it from scratch…

[@cesarcarreno_]

what sampler does all if not most of this things

[@BikeSailboatGuitar]

Great list, well done.

[@kacpernowacki4654]

I would love to see a video like this for op-1 field. I really want to buy it but I would want to know what stuff is still missing :)

[@thepanch7246]

I would love a ‘restore to default’ option since I accidentally deleted a lot of the stock sounds the first days while learning how it worked and now I can’t have them back anymore 😢

[@SONWU]

I would guess someone has uploaded them online but I am not sure 🤷good luck!

[@kombad]

Any way to easy exporting stems on group and pad lvl 🙏🏽

[@jeffreysalem2735]

I'd love the kind of pattern chaining the first k.o. had.

[@JaydenLawson]

Would love these updates!

[@SONWU]

👌

[@thomasrussell2812]

wen???

[@brunoqueiroztube]

quatization percentage - can go back and forth as in Op-z

[@SpeedyBunnyz]

great list

[@draconianrhythms]

I would like to see much more midi support. I know a little about making midi controllers, and having access to a midi api could open up so much in my opinion.. not least the ability to manage pattern chaining (song mode).

[@SONWU]

Agreed, MIDI CC control using the fader or knobs would be really nice.

[@draconianrhythms]

⁠@@SONWUfor real man. I really love your series on this. I’m a big fan of the KO series (i now have both versions), and yeah the limitations are numerous but there are also so many positives to make this a worthwhile instrument to learn. If I may, I have two suggestions for future videos: 1. How to organise a workflow using two KO devices. Sample bouncing, track mastering, effects on samples etc .. I think there are a lot of uses for a dual setup. 2. How to maximise storage for samples.. like recording in double speed, how to clear out stock samples and bring back in the ones you still want (I’ll be pressed to find uses for farmyard sounds to be fair). Just some thoughts for your kind consideration. Keep making dem beatz ❤

[@SONWU]

@@draconianrhythms Thanks, these suggestions are much appreciated!!! I am sure there will be dual KO videos in future ;) Yeah, the farm sounds are not my cup…but the KO is good indeed. It's very immediate and just feels fun to play with. They nailed it with the "pads" 🙏🙏🙏

[@draconianrhythms]

Agreed man, it’s a nice thing, and very portable too, which is useful if you’re short on desk space lol. Off to chop up some breaks now :) peace ❤

[@SONWU]

@@draconianrhythms enjoy :)

[@BASILEMOJO]

most important effect per sample,and not the all group (ridiculous idea)

[@SONWU]

Yeah…but not gonna happen probably :/

[@LoveMeBack]

TE is capabel of doing anything. They are that good. The question is do they want us to have it.

[@OPdbx]

I’m curious how resampling would even be implemented if it wasn’t already planned for ahead of time on a hardware level

[@hollywood4834]

No issue there as it’s done pre-DAC

[@killacarew]

How did we miss SONG MODE?

[@nico37]

It really does suck how much TE left to be desired in this release. I think a lot of us bought this machine really quick assuming it would function a certain way and though it is fun to play with it feels like there is a big hole in this instrument. Lacking even some of the essential functionality of the pocket operator, ie: pattern chaining, recording punch in effects, The PO-33 was cool because it seemed to have the all basic essentials to easily create a song with samples in a very stripped down device. It seemed obvious that the ep-133 would have the exact same functionality plus have everything it ended up having. Very weird to leave out the essential functions and force a strange workflow and odd limitations on users of the new unit. I don't have faith that it will be fixed. We all already spent our money on it and we spent it fast trusting teenage engineering and it's paid influencers. I don't hate the EP-133, but also I think I learned a lesson. This wish list is so obvious that it just doesn't make any sense that these functions weren't part of the original design. Pretty soon the EP-133 is going to be a year old and we still are waiting for a substantial firmware update to address any of the major MIA functions of this unit. It won't surprise me if we never get them. But it is a great sampler !! I think that makes it all more frustrating...maybe by design :/

[@dandimusc]

Really, need a Ep-133 Field best quality build with all your new functions and more memory, usb audio in/out.

[@gattearthrid]

And a 1500 price tag

[@ManCalledMif]

Would love these updates

[@SylvainBuatois38]

A song mode, reverse sample, resampling would be great...

[@Javeton]

Individual group pad FX. I don't like all my patterns in every pad from A to D with the same FX.

[@ManCalledMif]

a lot of the stock samples are VERY short when pitched up, making them less usable in my opinion. of course longer samples would fix this

[@jurgendabeedin441]

Pattern chaining!

[@pushsantana]

I would like the ability to tap Tempo chops instead of the whole sample

[@SonicVibe]

It’s like they went backwards from version one 🤷‍♂️ here I thought a opz field was in the works and it’s just a KOII reskin. Man a opz field would sell like hot cakes but just give me the old Opz in a case that don’t bend, they don’t have to redesign internals just put it in a proper case.

[@artephank]

I wish resampling on OPZ first ;)

[@wiggesobk]

Ja, ja und JA! 👍

[@JohnBassarcticsoundstudios]

Be able to chain scenes

[@MARTINLIVERATORE]

64MB really? very limited. In my case for now it's the only thing that makes me noise. It has the labeled in typeface with the 64mb sampler so definitely this are not going to expand their capacity! A pity

[@2mbst1]

No resampling, no loop, no record punch in fx and not being able to chain scenes (which even POs can do) is exactly why I'm returning my 1320. It's a fun device, but limited in the wrong ways to be truly fun that's worth its money. I know that it's mostly "just" a bigger pocket operator, and I don't expect SP404 level of features. But no scene-chaining? Every other sequencer of them can do that, so that surprised me the most.

[@dariusmick19]

audio via usb! with each group in seperate stems!!

[@SONWU]

👌

[@acidvideothomas8383]

wow all such basic stuff i would expect to be on it already😯

[@trabouliste1037]

I'm already wondering how many standards TE thinks they can ignore, but people probably buy it anyway ...

[@Powhart]

A beat maker exist. He reverse a sample. He a sound designer now.

[@The_Albanian_Syndicate]

I hear the next update will be dynamite

[@SONWU]

where did you hear that? :)

[@ziarproductionziartist5307]

Where please ?

[@RecMirage]

Step sequencer is a major one that I would add as well. There literally are 16 pads with lights next to them. Super weird that it’s not here to begin with.

[@Powhart]

Yeap, that’s also a big omission for me, and I’m surprised he didn’t suggest it

[@SONWU]

I don‘t have any hope that they will add it…that‘s the reason I didn‘t mention it. I can‘t believe they also went with 12 pads for samples instead of 16. Did anybody like the MPC500 having only 12 pads?

[@Powhart]

@@SONWU for me 12 pads is completely enough :)

[@keith3069]

@@Powhart I wanna play octave phrase bass lines with 16pads 😢

[@ricardomilice2470]

It missing a SD card reader , simple 💁🏼‍♂️

[@SONWU]

Yeah…they don’t seem to like removable & expandable storage

[@shockmonkey2009]

song mode.............

[@Ancaja123]

Your description of multisamples is a little different than traditional multisamples

[@SONWU]

What is a multi-sample? A technique in which a single patch in a sampler or sample playback synth is composed of multiple actual samples, which are assigned to different portions of the note span. In how far does this differ from what I said?

[@Ancaja123]

@@SONWU It is correct yea, it's just if they implemented multisamples, I would assume it to be more like a series of sampled sounds of the same instrument, across several keyspans

[@SONWU]

@@Ancaja123 Sorry if I still don't quite understand, but I think that's what they did for the EP-1320

[@Ancaja123]

@@SONWU maybe I was totally wrong. I thought that the multisamples were different instruments and phrases across the pads. Sorry to embody the "ackchyually" meme lol, I just figured the EP series wouldn't have enough memory to include full multisampled instruments. Would be amazing if so though.

[@williammarshburn]

Lol. Wheres the updates!!??!!

[@SONWU]

🤷‍♂️

[@tokiboi6777]

the sheer arrogance of TE will make them sell you scented candles that play a sound before doing any of this.

[@optical-sound]

Export project files!

[@psychrockvinyl]

This wish list is everything the sp404 has been doing since day 1 😊 i sent my ko back when the slider was broken and bought a new 404 mk2. I say just get that and call it a day. And I’m a TE fan i have alot of their stuff and its my favorite stuff. The KO just isnt it for so many reasons

[@gattearthrid]

Why not appreciate this series as a set of quirky little devices pocket operators for what they are? I have a small problem with peoples sense of entitlement, this is getting absurd and ridiculous.

[@squiredog]

Jeez. They’re hardly outrageous requests. Why would you not want the device to be better?

[@gattearthrid]

@@squiredog people out here stomping their feet and crying on the internet that the devices don’t walk their dog and clean their dishes. Again, your sense of entitlement is annoying af.

[@SONWU]

I can even do both. Appreciate it and be able to see what could be improved :)…all without being entitled!

[@gattearthrid]

@@SONWU your criticisms are minor compared to have of the wild requests that live in comment sections. You’re doin great bud. It’s a community problem.

[@SONWU]

@@gattearthrid I know what you mean…I think people somehow get outraged either way when it comes to TE. They love it or hate it…I try my best to be balanced.

[@MyNameJeff..]

Why’d they have to make a better one ugly? Mad annoying

[@SONWU]

🤷‍♂️

[@JasonBunting]

Kinda click-baity title there

[@SONWU]

only click-bait if it ain't true ;)

[@JasonBunting]

@@SONWU if someone's looking at KZbin, it appears as though the title is communicating "there have been updates to the EP-133" - because that's what I took it to mean. Yes "we need these" could imply it's a wish list, but it also implies that "we need these new updates that just came out"