We Need to Get Back to 1980 on Immigration | NYT Opinion

Why have Republicans and Democrats moved so far apart on immigration? That’s the question that drives the Opinion video above.
We are publishing this as President Biden comes under extraordinary pressure to curb surging illegal immigration at the southwestern border. Republicans have held up further military aid to Ukraine, demanding more border security in exchange. And this month House Republicans opened impeachment hearings against Alejandro Mayorkas, the homeland security secretary, accusing him of intentionally failing to enforce immigration laws.
A group of senators from both parties has been trying to negotiate a deal that would address the Republican demands for a border crackdown. But while the measures under discussion might go some way toward lowering illegal immigration - and even that is a matter of fierce debate - they don’t pretend to address all the wide-ranging, chronic problems with the country’s immigration system.
Bipartisan deals on immigration policy have been elusive for decades. The last big immigration reform bill passed in 1986, during the Reagan administration, and a smaller bill was signed into law four years later by George H.W. Bush.
Since then, Democrats and Republicans, on the subject of immigration, have seemed to sprint in opposite directions.
So what happened?
Hint: It’s not all Donald Trump’s fault.
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[@gur1195]

I don't like that there is no separation between legal and illegal immigrants

[@PepeCoinMania]

thanks to wonkiest

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Well, there isn't in biology. Most of them are not europeans (legal and illegal migrants) and have completely different preferences and ways from the people who were the building stock of America.

[@thebookwasbetter3650]

I think I made it through 30 seconds before I said, oh we're going to lump them together. No thanks. Not going to get much intelligence or perspective from this vid.

[@WELVAS.]

Yeah it seems like a portion of people who are anti illegal migration are just anti-immigrant entirely.

[@TheBucketSkill]

@@shinjishinjs6060 dude give it a rest with that crap already. its too late, deal with it.

[@lbr88x30]

It is disingenuous to address this issue without mentioning the powerful economic drivers that support industries by supplying them with a vulnerable workforce of illegal immigrants - hospitality, construction, meat packing, farming, domestic services on the lawn and cleaning homes.

[@EagleEye-MJG]

The corporations LOVE a Broken Immagration System that they can exploit and use to undermine unionized laber. . Those corporations make sure to line the pockets of your favorite politicians.

[@ConGamePro]

You could probably deport entire slaughterhouses in the South with all the illegals they surely hire.

[@gawkthimm6030]

I have an easy solution to fix US immigration; any corporation employing any illegal immigrant gets a fine thats 30% of their monthly income, every month they have an illegal immigrant employed.. the USA is addicted to cheap labor and making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants would force corporate lobbyist to support better immigration policies instead of the current mess.. which benefits corporations wanting cheap labor..

[@Patrick-pu5di]

⁠​⁠@@gawkthimm6030 (it's already illegal for companies to do this) our "economy" directly benefits from their exploitation, and choosing to enforce laws against undocumented work would have a negative impact on that bottom line

[@AL-lh2ht]

Man you know someone is blinded by ideology when they are saying them having jobs is evil. Exactly zero of them would be happy to not be allowed to work in the US. That’s why they are in the US in the first place.

[@danielantonio1635]

Even Republicans support legal immigration, saying immigrants bring new ideas and our population growth is stagnant is one thing but it has no correlation to a need for supporting illegal undocumented immigration. Only to increase and make it easier for legal immigration.

[@carl7664]

Republican never went against legal immigration, didn’t know why u seem like surprised.

[@DM-fv7hw]

Study "legal immigration", very few people actually get approved. The WHOLE systems needs to be changed.

[@rickysampson8759]

⁠@@DM-fv7hwover a million people a year is few?

[@Nykandros]

Legal immigration is the ideal for both sides but let's not sit here ignoring the elephant in the room; a large mass of modern Republicans don't like immigrants simply because they are foreigners & they will never want them in this country, legal or not.

[@Joelmonterrey]

Reagan said "Our nation is a nation of immigrants. More than any other country, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and our capacity to welcome those from other lands".

[@cristianhugomunozcampos3450]

I'm from Chile. Here, there's still a constant influx of illegals across the northern border, mainly Venezuelans. The consequenses are visible: narcoterrorism and massive rise in criminality. The main Venezuelan gang group Tren de Aragua, settled here in Chile by infiltrating it's criminals as illegals. The same is happening in America and Europe.

[@OGrandomunknownperson]

I'd rather have culturally similar people like you then the muslims we have in western europe. I like immigrants, but only culturally similar ones or ones willing to integrate

[@Montfortracing]

So EVERY illegal Venezuelan who has came into Chile is a terrorist and criminal?

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

They're not sending their best.

[@yuriydee]

People dont have their own beliefs anymore. They only believe what their party line tells them and parrot those talking points.

[@BartholomewGilbertson]

wow bro insightful point

[@user-nv9ig6po1d]

which party told you to say that?

[@Gabdube]

We have ancient tablets complaining about the same thing. This has basically always been the case for most people in most societies, _you_ just didn't notice it as much.

[@HornedGod66]

The number of people voting left correlates with people getting benefits. The More illegalls you get the more left gest votes.

[@Michiganian8]

I don’t follow nor parrot off of anyone. God is my belief system.. Even so, I recognize the toxicity, turn it off & move away.

[@SimeVidas]

4:42 It never ceases to amaze me how today’s political discourse has made George Bush seem like a great president.

[@bobwoods1302]

The Iraq war was a bit of an oopsie though.

[@HiFiInsider]

IKR! Bush and Reagan now look like angels.

[@AL-lh2ht]

George bush is the reason the debt is so high and managed to squander winning the Cold War at the height of US power.

[@SaltyCanadian]

yeah just a little oopsies, not a big deal :3@@bobwoods1302

[@mrbear1302]

@@HiFiInsider well, the Devil was technically an angel.....

[@glabalkik]

Shows the graph where republican support for immigrants stays approximately the same for 20 years (~30%), but democrat support skyrocketed to 80, then blames republicans for being racist, and says both sided are to blame. Very unbiased

[@dawuid1491]

It’s like you didn’t even watch the video and just started ranting about your assumptions of the video

[@j.c.denton2060]

It's almost like people who are migrants themselves or 2nd generation migrants with citizenship all vote for less border security so there is a feedback loop of increased support for it.

[@antonionotmyrealnamo6333]

@@dawuid1491 There's some merit to your statement but in their defense the infographic is incredibly misleading. There's no reason to have a downward arrow under Republicans.

[@ILovePancakes24]

It's almost like bad Republicon policies are biting them and they should get with the times.

[@Montfortracing]

Did you even watch the video?

[@Maddawg31415]

Thank you NYT for at least addressing both sides of the story here

[@gawkthimm6030]

I have an easy solution to fix US immigration; any corporation employing any illegal immigrant gets a fine thats 30% of their monthly income, every month they have an illegal immigrant employed.. the USA is addicted to cheap labor and making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants would force corporate lobbyist to support better immigration policies instead of the current mess.. which benefits corporations wanting cheap labor..

[@rohitnijhawan5281]

Lol if you buy their B.S. They literlaly said "republicans are racist". When people who look white are coming in, it's ok. When they're not white and wear a hijab, it's not ok Right. As if housing shortages, welfare dependence, illegally crossing, and lowered wages *had nothing to do with it* Steaming pile of cr@p presented here.

[@theparadoxicaltouristtrave9320]

What benefits of an open border did they extol? Or is it both sides of the conservative version of the story?

[@gtrdxz]

@@gawkthimm6030 Or just enforce the border...

[@MariaUrena-bd8yp]

Tiene muchas rason si se hace una annistias todos tendran sus recidencias y ningun otros pte van a tener que sacarlos de aqui por no tener papeles7 me gustarias que ya comiensen a bregar con esos antes que llegue noviembres siento que si El pte Rigan los hiso El pte Byden tambien puedes hacerlos ok 👍 👌

[@dkexpat2755]

This is not only an American issue. In Europe we have the same problem, mainly for Muslim countries which is an even bigger issue than Filipino's or Mexican's. It's insane to see the polarization on the political spectrum and we are headed for a similar situation as before WW2 a lot of nationalism. As a Dane I went from voting left, but now I have to look past normal politics and only vote for who wants my country to survive without illegal immigrants who are a huge burden on our welfare system.

[@MusicShortsGlobal]

The West points out the finger to migrants across the globe. Why don't they focus more on American policies that actually fix the issue? It's easy to blame the people, but not the ones in control of the policies? It be interesting to see people watch a documentary on border crisis and learn that border patrol is way too forgiving to migrants and we still blame the ones coming in illegally? The Global North would be in ruins if it wasn't for the economic prosperity that migrants contribute to Western economy.

[@Zombie1Boy]

Look at all the unfunded liabilities each municipality has, then multiply that by the number of towns and cities you have in your country. Throw ontop of it the federal employees who "run" everything and you'll find out that without unlimited immigration all those workers wouldn't be able to fund their own retirement.

[@daroay]

​@@Zombie1Boywelfare systems are ponzi schemes. We should fix the Ponzi, not feed it. But that is another topic.

[@MusicShortsGlobal]

It's easy to blame the migrants, but look how border patrol is managed... It almost isn't and in most cases they fail to return migrants to their home country. It's a known fact that without immigration, the U.S economy would be struggling in terms of GDP and other aspects of the NATO country.

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Your country is done for. Europeans don't have as many kids and outsiders do. Now try to do a research about IQ and different groups and see what the future holds for you. Hint: It's not going to be pretty.

[@tr5946]

NYT wondering how we got to political polarization. That’s a good one.

[@dennis3351]

it takes alot of time for gen z at ny times to learn. they will when the whole ring around the rosy ends. nyc is deporting illegals now after accepting them in. illegals attacked police in nyc a day ago. who is this girl wondering why illegals are illegal?

[@kingace6186]

NYT incites division and hides behind a paywall to collect profits.

[@r.o2938]

For the millionth time, it isn't about immigration, it is about ILLEGAL immigration. Visitors to my home are welcome, I get to decide if I let them in or not. Burglars are a whole different story. Same concept applies to immigrants.

[@ikemefunaumeadi4947]

This is a lie and I hate that it keeps been said. As someone from a supposed third world country, it absolutely is about immigration, if not why does your country keep enacting more and more stringent rules than the last for legal immigration? Plus, and I hate that I have to say this, your ancestors literally massacred the original occupants of that land. You do not have the moral high ground to compare 'illegal' immigrants to burglars.

[@LaLaGrunge]

@@ikemefunaumeadi4947The original occupants had no central government and no formal immigration entry/exit system with defined borders. The original occupants were comprised of tribes at war with each other for thousands of years.

[@somethingsomething-us3uy]

It is about how to deal with ILLEGAL immigration. Republicans want to build a wall, Dems are doing nothing and neither helps America. The best is to integrate immigrants.

[@sollunaystars]

They know what they're doing with this propaganda.

[@mrrobot6926]

how can anyone trust news source that wont even clearify the OBVIOUS problem of the subject.

[@michaelevert6492]

It's almost as if policies that worked 40 years ago might not work today. Imagine the thought!

[@winser21]

“Not to give Ted Cruz too much credit here”, ohhh Lord why is simple objectivity so hard for you people?

[@BeaverChainsaw]

what do you mean? Immigration is only going to be more useful. American birthrates are plummeting like the rest of the world which will slow down the economy but America have an advantage in the fact that young worker immigrants actually wanna work and live here unlike China or Japan.

[@borginburkes1819]

@@BeaverChainsawplease stop with this crap. Economies don’t need to infinitely grow, and birthrates don’t always need to infinitely rise. The west will be killed if we keep letting 3rd worlders in

[@parsatayebi]

so the solution is just to let everyone who wants to come in?

[@classicist369]

or we can actually reform the country both economically and culturally to motivate families to have more kids and give them benefits.@@BeaverChainsaw

[@jeromegerard3242]

This video seems to be in a bubble devoid of the geopolitical and economic changes that occured in the last 44 years.

[@Mageroeth]

Lol nailed it.

[@potiko16]

such as

[@somethingsomething-us3uy]

You are in a bubble stuck in the 1800's, if you want the U.S. to keep its edge.

[@jeromegerard3242]

@@somethingsomething-us3uy I don’t think you understood what I was implying with my comment.

[@themoviescriptwriter2513]

​@jeromegerard3242 Explain plz, I'm not sure I understand exactly

[@noahboughdy2648]

2:47 Why are the trend lines equal and opposite while only the blue line changes over time? This gives the illusion that both sides radicalized over time, while actually only one did.

[@HarrisonGoldfarb]

yep. NYT presents it as Republicans changing, when in reality Dems were the only ones to change.

[@Sowar]

I'm a liberal but I agree this narrative is bizarre. Judging by this chart alone Republican sentiment has barely shifted. This is a story about Democrats. I wouldn't call it 'radicalised' but it's clear only one side has changed.

[@darma8878]

great catch & thanks for pointing that out!

[@humbleopionist4366]

Well, thats the framing effect for you, no matter how much solid evidence stares you in the face, just make another graph and it’ll look exactly like your correct all along.

[@humbleopionist4366]

Seriously though, both sides have terrible logic, but just this week I heard somebody in my class getting mad they didn’t have LQBTQ cakes for DOGS in Petco, literal dogs, so while I get that both sides have issues, in my life it seems that this is hopeless. Political polarization is probably the biggest crisis on planet earth right now. However, because of the nature of being a politician it seems that there is an absolute aversion to losing any amount of votes.

[@teslainthehood2521]

I think lying to get asylum should be a federal offense.

[@coyotelong4349]

Sure, it should be, but where is the evidence that people are lying en masse in order to get asylum? Are the people claiming that these asylum seekers aren’t legit the ones actually doing the screening?

[@kool2btrue]

It is worth noting something like 90% of them are immediately deported.

[@rwrae72]

So true. Come on, immigration officers, get a clue and don't be so gullible!

[@whatarewaves]

Online social networks killed American politics

[@ang2895]

American politics were doomed from the start, the duopoly of the two party system has ruined this country

[@danterodriguez7796]

It evolved American politics, social networks are the modern time squares, where everyone’s opinions are expressed at all times

[@blackout07blue]

Biden has let in 8 million illegals so far in 3 years. Lol

[@DanniDuck]

@@danterodriguez7796 Including bots, who are even more expressive now that AI is a thing.

[@greyghost2492]

Nah even the legacy media was killing American politics. After 2015 they became full-time agents for the radicalization of our country

[@user-or9be8tg8d]

It find it completely unbelievable how human beings find the topic of migration uncomfortable. Only brainwashing and fear-mongering could cause people to speak irrationally about a topic which deserves total rationality: X is my home. I want to control who comes to my home. Perfectly reasonable.

[@WELVAS.]

Legal pathways to citizenship need to be expanded

[@shinjishinjs6060]

@@WELVAS. For europeans only

[@WELVAS.]

@@shinjishinjs6060 Why just europeans? Sounds a little racy

[@shinjishinjs6060]

@@WELVAS. Because It's the people who built America. Built by and for w. Also, the only people who can mantain It.

[@Utsav_Viradiya]

@@shinjishinjs6060 Hmm. Just to be clear, your statement also implies that you wish to extend a welcome to the Muslims of Turkey who come here legally, correct?

[@FatNorthernBigot]

Comments have not been disabled? I admire your bravery.

[@jamesmitch9792]

klaus shwab, kallergy, great replacement derp derp

[@greyghost2492]

@@jamesmitch9792 1619, Jan 6, Qanon herp derp

[@undeadalph]

@@greyghost2492 ESG, blackrock, WEF derp derp

[@jamesmitch9792]

@@greyghost2492 critical race theory, wokeness, trans cartoons, and woke m&ms.

[@greyghost2492]

@@jamesmitch9792 kids in cages, 2 scoops of ice cream, ultra MAGA, mostly peaceful protests

[@helo-je2pt]

Can we put more "emphasis" on legal immigrants. Not any alien

[@SourDoughBill]

Yes, we can both decriminalize immigration and raise the limit. It was, after all, a white supremacist who got the law passed making border crossing a criminal offense.

[@somerandomguy7458]

there needs to be a slowdown in both types. The american culture of the 20th-early 21st century is eroding very very quickly.

[@somerandomguy7458]

WHy? because too much immigvration leads to less assimilation and large pockets of migrant communities

[@SourDoughBill]

@@somerandomguy7458 Ugh, when people call something xenophobic and racist, that's the woefully uninformed and bigoted opinion they're talking about. Throughout its history, America has had ethnic enclaves. For example: Grant and Stockton in San Francisco has been "Chinatown" since 1850 when the mayor officially welcomed the "China boys" arriving to work the gold mines and complete the Transcontinental Railroad.

[@somerandomguy7458]

@@SourDoughBill But as the video said these enclaves are not regional anymore. they are spreading all over the nation. Andf they are growing very very quickly

[@khvostov7g-0x17]

In Canada mass immigration has lead to: absurdly expensive housing, awful traffic, higher crime rates, the collapse of our healthcare system, a sharp decline in the quality of our social services, stagnant wages, rising youth unemployment, more sophisticated organized crime, and a decline in quality of our public transportation. Tread carefully America, bring in as many as you can handle.

[@Democractivist]

The rollout of NAFTA led to the loss of blue collar jobs without a pathway for these (mostly white) workers into the service economy. It’s difficult to support immigration reform when one doesn’t have a good job anymore and illegal aliens take on the remaining low paying jobs. Perhaps reforming the economic order to combat poverty and homelessness amongst Americans will help improve attitudes towards those who arrive in the USA fleeing lawlessness , corruption and drugs cartels.

[@JakeSant]

You're right. That's one of the reasons why Trump appealed to many of those blue collar workers especially back in 2016.

[@chad9971]

another big issue is that American corporations send many jobs OVERSEAS. I worked in business consulting and although I'm ashamed of it now, I can't tell you how many people I assisted in taking their jobs and sending it to someone else in the far-east. But the media, politicians, and business owners will play the public to think it's just people crossing the border taking their jobs when most of those jobs are getting outsourced.

[@IsraelCervantes-le4gf]

It's not as simple as that nafta wiped out jobs in Mexico and Canada too, depending on the industry

[@the-architect7789]

You are right, and that is what Sanders was offering, he is a new deal democrat! But these neocons-Biden, Hillary and even Obama wanted to serve their corporate masters! Also, don't forget the AIPAC, they will do all in their power to keep Sanders from becoming President, oh wait they already have!

[@rickysampson8759]

Yet you liberals keep voting democrat even though bill Clinton destroyed America. Obama and Biden destroyed any hope left. You sold your children’s future for what? Cheap tacos

[@danielantonio1635]

Democrats disliked illegal immigration in the past bc their voters were usually not college educated and poor and thus their constituents competed for the same jobs and resources as the immigrants. Republicans loved it in the past bc it was cheap labor for their corporate donors. I’m not saying these are the only motivations for their stance. Also one can make an argument that these motivations are still at play, only that they’ve changed side.

[@DaveSmith-pm2yq]

If I may add , I personally think that the political parties over the years tend to move around losing different groups, while gaining others. Think Tulsi Gabbard vs. Liz Cheney. The democrats are shedding the Libertarian Democrats, the Republicans are shedding Neocons. The party of Jim Crow was the democrats, while today that seems surprising. I think it is more that in a 2 party system the lines are slightly redrawn each election, and we look back 20 years and are like "what in the world happened?" But that is just my opinion.....

[@rehaanphansalkar4187]

Except that Republicans are still the party of corporate greed and oligarchy. Democrats are just too weak to fight back.

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Yep

[@j.ceasar]

Republicans disliked sharia law and russia in the past, how things have changed huh?

[@Joe-ij6of]

These motivations are a little different now. Currently, immigrants are a cheap source of labor if they're illegal, and if they had a pathway to legal status (not necessarily perm res or citizenship) then they'd benefit from the same labor laws as anyone else. This would destroy the motivation to hire illegals over citizens because they're now legal, this fairer system is okay with Dems but the GOP would hate it. There are states under full GOP control out there; they could easily push out illegal immigrants even without federal authority.... they simply need to use LABOR LAWS to arrest biz owners that hire illegals. After a few arrests, everyone will get the hint and no one would hire illegals, they'd just go to another state. If illegals are so bad, surely the guy who hires 10 of them is ten times worse and red states would clamor to be the first to prove how benificial a massive decline in illegals can be . Of course, red states don't do this though, because they know what would really happen to their economies. It's for this reason i find the illegal immigration scare over-hyped BS, def a real issue, but overhyped BS.

[@jollyronacher]

Understand that the issue is ILLEGAL immigration. Legal immigrants who come to this country often do amazing things! But people who’ve entered illegally and strain out resources are a real problem.

[@tachobrenner]

People who illegally enter mostly work anyway. They don't get crap. A lot even pay Social security without receiving it.

[@jollyronacher]

@@tachobrenner if they’re undocumented I don’t see how that’s the case. A lot of them are paid off the books. But the whole point is that they should not be here if they’re illegal. It’s not an issue of being a jerk or anything it’s just about they’re breaking the law so we must prohibit them from coming in illegally and we must kick out those who have already entered illegally

[@porfiriamunoz8826]

illegals are the ones driving the economy 🙄

[@kingdomross8974]

​@@tachobrennerThat why you come in legally. It's hard to do anything if your illegal immigrant.

[@secularmonk5176]

0:25 Hol'up ... Republican attitudes didn't change, Democrats' did.

[@ombrezz7030]

If you watch about 60 more seconds you'd realize that's wrong.

[@secularmonk5176]

@@ombrezz7030 8% more favorable over 25 years for Republicans. 51% more favorable over 25 years for Democrats. From a two-percent spread to 45% spread. You were saying?

[@malachi-]

Yes, people can go find videos of Pelosi, Schumer and other Democrats saying we need to secure our borders even more... the Republicans they are talking about are the Neocons, which are not even real Republicans, they hijacked the Party long ago, they came, literally, from the Left. So, they are just Right-winged-Leftist (snwrldrdr).

[@_mark_3814]

@@ombrezz7030look at the graph at 2:39

[@secularmonk5176]

@@_mark_3814 Thanks for finding that later image ... when I was composing my OP, I intended to use that, but got impatient trying to find it on the rewatch, and just used its first appearance. I'm lazy!

[@guydreamr]

Liberal democrat here, and I absolutely agree that we need to strengthen border security. This includes hiring more border patrol personnel, and oh yes building adequate fencing where needed, like proximate to major cities such as El Paso, Nogales, San Diego, and along strategic stretches of the Rio Grande. I'm also in favor of reforming the asylum system. As it stands, illegals who apply for asylum are given a summons to hearing which, because of the backlog, is often scheduled for up to four years later. The illegal then doesn't show. How about detaining them until the hearing comes up? If that takes years for that to happen, then so be it. The word will get out and maybe that will make them think twice about coming here illegally in the first place. I'm also against sanctuary cities. Here in New York City, illegals are swamping the shelter system, prompting our mayor to try to amend NYC's right to shelter law. And why are we being swamped? Because illegals know that as a sanctuary city, they can't be arrested and handed over to the federal authorities. Thus illegals are taking up resources at the expense of Americans, and that isn't right. If you're here illegally, you don't have the right to be here, period end of story.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Wow! That's refreshingly nice to hear! I'm a California Conservative Republican!

[@guydreamr]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Greetings from New York. Am from California myself, grew up in Orange County. My views have since changed and I'm now a Democrat, but on this I'm in agreement with the Republicans: the border situation is out of hand, and needs to be addressed, now.

[@uelld.8371]

Back then NY has an issue with how some of the Italian immigrants end up becoming gangsters/mobs. They decided to solve it by giving the immigrants mobs two option, serve the country in the military during WW2, or being deported back. This teach them on what are they willing to do for their new home. Maybe Texas should do the same thing with the immigrants issue over there. Tell them on what are they willing to provide for their new home if they really want that citizenship.

[@balajeerc]

This video is heavy on graphics, but light on substance.

[@marcogallo2811]

My mother became a citizen through programs that existed in the 80s under Reagan. Without those amnesty reforms she likely wouldn't have. Many immigrants have been in the US for 20+ years working, paying taxes, contributing to our country and yet there isn't a reasonable path towards citizenship. Every year they have to fill out more paper work, pay more to submit, and no reasoning for why they haven't been given the opportunity.

[@scifirealism5943]

Corporations support immigration because they want access to labor forces who can't afford to argue and will work very hard for very low rates of pay. Conservatives oppose immigration because it "threatens" American culture. Remember this line: the truth of our political values lies in the risks we refuse to accept. How USA deals with immigration shows what we truly value, and we don't truly value helping immigrants.

[@beeburner5685]

America love to use peoples labor, time,disappointment everything...so.basically we all suckers..

[@deejay5102]

America loves slave labor (free labor). In fact America was founded on that. But now since slavery is illegal, except when incarcerated, America looks towards immigrants to exploit and get cheap labor. Reagan's amnesty bill was about cheap labor and undermining Black Americans who were trying to make a way in a country their ancestors were forced to build and never got paid.

[@dukekenny9340]

And 40 million illegals later, is America a shopping mall or chap votes, cheap labor or country, because cartel members deserve citizenship and just as American as me

[@scifirealism5943]

@@dukekenny9340 yep.

[@tokroni]

No. Bring back the Naturalization Act of 1790 as the Founders passed it.

[@saxmanphd]

there's absolutely no political will or incentive to meet in the middle

[@benkong007]

lol the Chinese characters for Cantonese says "Cantonese cuisine"

[@droneio]

You'll be surprised they even got Hindi wrong lol

[@gilberttorres8]

You’re in America not China or India we’re not gonna conform to you, you should conform the us. America language is English. Or don’t come here and stay home. I’m Mexican btw

[@MichaelBurkhalter]

“Republicans welcomed immigration, especially the legal kind” That sounds like the same as today

[@victorthanosdrakopoulos2650]

California voted highly for Reagan, now he would lost by a lot, well, his welcoming policies didnt worked and most people that enter usa at that time now want big states with big welfare.

[@j.ceasar]

Nah. Today republicans welcome russians and oil rich middle easterners who cant treat women like people.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@@victorthanosdrakopoulos2650 yep. Voter replacement.

[@joshuagharis9017]

Goes to show there are no "sides" they serve the donors. PERIOD

[@Thecak3isalie]

This was pretty biased and it's missing the point entirely. They completely forgets to mention the rapid increase in violent crime, cartels, weapons and drug trafficking happening all over South America and finding its way into the United States. And yes the trafficking is happening in both directions.

[@arpanprashanth9193]

Undocumented people commit less crimes than citizens and offer a surplus of low wage labor to American corporations.

[@gabrielzachary9704]

What is controversial about Illegal Immigration???????? Your committing a crime by being here illegally !!!!!! then to get FREE housing and education in Sanctuary cities whilst you shouldn't be here in the first place is INSULTING Everything in this world has become some Absurd existential question, isn't there ANY common sense anymore ??????? FFS

[@jessezogorski597]

NYT YOU are complicit in the cultural polarization afflicting our country, along with the rest of the MM. First video of yours I’ve watched in years and now I’m reminded to ignore this channel.

[@DeeWeber]

Paying for the housing of people who come through illegally is the problem.

[@ssgg23]

Right? We don’t even shelter our homeless American citizens.

[@adolfhochhaltinger4040]

This polarization was started intentionally; "divide et impera", part them and rule them.

[@raducujohnson]

the question is, what happens if this little trick stops working ?

[@algorithm6360]

Ignore the Billionaires complain about immigration or fight culture wars and go to your job. But don't think twice, it's all right…

[@paulr3002]

"For Republicans immigration became a law enforcement and national security issue". NO. It became a means of manipulating voters through fear and hate. They have never done anything about this problem because they use it to win elections. "Build the wall!" Really? How much wall did they build in 4 years?

[@jamesmitch9792]

yes everything is a conspiracy, the gov is so good at making things happen that's why the gov has never done mistakes. especially according to the smooth brained.

[@joshuagharis9017]

​@@raducujohnsonsocialism: democratic economy, OUR economy. Capitalists worst, WORST FEAR

[@aum1040]

If the goal is to explain the graph, then Republicans have very little to do with it. Their opinions have been mostly static. If there is a trend it is in the direction of the Democrats. The divergence is due to a massive shift in Democratic attitudes on immigration. Seems a bit misleading.

[@TheSublimeLifestyle]

The common trope at 7:23 makes me laugh now. I didn’t give it much mind until I considered the obvious fact that the work stated was being done before mass immigration. And the jobs were a lot more economical and productive. Those jobs also paid fairly. Houses before the 1970s are still holding true to the test of time. These new houses are barely surviving a decade. The cleaning and building was always going to happen in America.

[@paiwanhan]

@4:55 those characters, 粵菜, don't mean the Cantonese language, they mean the Cantonese cuisine. The characters for the Cantonese languages is 粵語.

[@parthikpatel6108]

This video would've been worth the 8 and a half minutes if it actually offered specific solutions to the problem, instead of calling for bipartisanship which at this point is just a platitude.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Elect Trump and have the Establishment RINOs do their job for once instead of dragging their feet when they have a chance.

[@Sad_bumper_sticker.]

Similar arguments for and against immigration being repeated for 40 years

[@mrydesset2883]

We have the same problem in France!

[@adolft_official]

glad they forced took over Alstom, americans need jobs right now not french

[@frafraplanner9277]

@@adolft_official Alstom sucks as their job

[@SaiKumar-cm2bp]

I'm from India. The USA has to stop illegal immigration and increase the quota for legal immigration if they need more people in the country. How do you feel if someone barges into your home and live there? If USA needs people, just open a new type of visa for skilled labourers and invite thousands if needed. Don't allow illegal immigration. You don't know how dangerous it will be when some of these jon the cartels

[@fouroverseven7799]

Why should the U.S. be a dumping ground for all the world’s poor?

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Let's go back to the immigration act of 1790!

[@PerryColdwell]

Are you trying to make the argument that Republicans have become more extreme when in the 1980s they were at 30% now they’re at 38%? I think you’re pretty confused and it’s a weird interpretation of the data

[@vincentbernal635]

Let's go back 1952 to 59, the Eisenhower era.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

YES! BASED!

[@themarcusismael13]

“Polarization” apparently is when one side gets more extreme and overtly racist and the other doesn’t have an adequate enough response to it that doesn’t come off as weak and “open borders”?

[@themarcusismael13]

“Leopards keep eating people’s faces. The people would like them to stop. Oh my goodness, why are they so polarized?!”

[@100c0c]

It's not extreme to not want millions of illegal immigrants in the country. This is a normal position to have in 99% of countries.

[@unme4728]

As a Democrat, what stands out to me in this graph is that Republicans have actually increased appreciation for immigrants since 1994 and so I don't know why you are saying that "one side gets more extreme and overtly racist". The graph shows it is Democrats who have changed dramatically. I can understand better now why people on the right (Republicans) are saying Democrats and those on the left have gotten too extreme, in that they have become much more lax about immigration. I found this video really informative and interesting.

[@chriskerwin3904]

@@unme4728 This is actually true for many issues, the Republican positions haven't changed all that much in 30 years and Democrats have gotten more extreme in their positions. You can argue whether or not that's good or bad thing but, it's very understandable why middle America is feeling left behind and in my opinion is probably the largest social issue of our time. The opioid epidemic, rampant poverty, failing school systems are all effects of this.

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Dieversity

[@jimsummers487]

Workers should eat from dumpsters so employers can take space vacations

[@jesseflora8843]

truly an enlightened common ground solution, everyone wins!

[@j.ceasar]

tax the poor

[@sarysa]

2:50 - Why the down arrow on the GOP side? Seems more like a straight line to me. Polarization is undeniably a thing here but it is mostly the Democrats that changed. Also not distinguishing between legal and illegal immigration makes the graph a bit pointless.

[@hackerf15e]

This video spends 2/3 talking about the right -- the line on that chart that basically has not changed over time -- but only for a brief moment mentions that the left has made the most substantial deviation away from the "center".

[@nsxpetes]

I want to claim asylum and move to Switzerland

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

I advise you don't. They are really nuts there, the Swiss will drive you around the bend. Hope this Helps ~ HTH 🙃😁👍

[@Tbone1492]

Go for it

[@harrywyependragon4242]

All u need to do is take a flight there and ask migration in airport. Works same in every EU country. 😅

[@marcux83]

good luck with those Swiss loonies 😂 PS: they don't want you there

[@4mulatorza858]

@@harrywyependragon4242 Switzerland isn't EU, they will deport you

[@bjornstjernebjornson9046]

The latest agreement between the establishment in the senate allows for 2 million illegal entries into the US every year. This is what is being sold as the best immigration policy by NYT/CNN/MSNBC. Compare that to Finland, one of the countries liberals want to remake the US into because of its social safety nets, that went into crisis mode recently over less than 1000 illegal immigrants crossing over from Russia. There is nothing that says liberals need to embrace open border policy, but the liberals in the US do, because that's what makes a reality the dream of a minority majority country where only Democrats become electable based on immigrant voters.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

EXACTLY

[@thisiscrazy4122]

What is this sorcery where NYT comes with an unbiased view to the subject of immigration in US ? I'm glad to see NYT coming back to the unbiased views table. We need more of this.

[@dragonstalk86]

it's unbiased but it missed the root issue which is the base 1965 law itself was never good

[@borginburkes1819]

Immigrants don’t need to come here.

[@matthewanderson5258]

To clarify, at 4:55, that's Sherrod Brown, a Democrat who has long sought consensus solutions for immigration reform, not a Republican who stymied his own party's president

[@VL1975]

LMAO

[@cornova2667]

Be cautious with legal immigration as well. I’m from Canada and our social fabric has been completely wrecked by mass legal immigration. We have one of the worst housing crises in the western world that has been made worse by the amount of people legally moving to Canada, while our government is allowing 500,000 new immigrants to settle (on top of 700,00 international students, many of whom attend sham collages and refuse to respect or adapt to Canadian norms, all completely legal btw)

[@j.c.denton2060]

You are being replaced by a more moldable and compliant class who will themselves become expendable if they ever became a threat to the ruling class. The elites have figured out the perfect solution to so called citizens rights and it is a bottomless well of cheap, expendable labor from Africa, Asia, and South America.

[@macroxela]

Immigration is definitely a contributing factor to the housing crisis in Canada but not a major one. Regulations and zoning laws as well as economic issues contribute significantly more to the housing crisis than Immigration.

[@WinterSleep6]

Canada is the new India

[@kool2btrue]

Yeah immigrants are not the problem, Canada has sufficient land to house many times its current population. The problem is legislation favoring house owners and preventing new development. If Canada hadn't changed its immigration laws it would probably in economic decline by now due to the labor force collapse.

[@Distress.]

@@macroxela it absolutely is a major one. Like most developed nations our native populations are stagnant. The only thing driving the housing market into a fever is immigration without it we'd have stable population levels.

[@theboringchannel2027]

In the early 90's it wasn't an issue for the GOP because at that time, the immigrants were mainly in the bigger cities or on farms, so they were out of sight out of mind for the suburban and more rural voters. Today, the immigrants have spread out into these areas, and those people don't like it, and thus the divide you see today.

[@scifirealism5943]

That's messed up

[@theboringchannel2027]

@@scifirealism5943 birds of a feather flock together, and when those dark feathered birds showed up, the white doves didn't like it. They are tolerant from a distance.

[@scifirealism5943]

@@theboringchannel2027 that's messed up, man. It's disgusting.

[@shinjishinjs6060]

We need the immigration act of 1790 again

[@beemarron3642]

I'm all for welcoming newbies, but I do think we need a system in place which aims for more even distribution and the guaranteeing of some sort of decision in a timely manner. These are people that can and want to work (tons of research proving that), they're not a drain on the economy, they contribute to it. Not letting them work is a drain on the economy, because that's more likely to lead to black market activities out of desperation. In an ideal world, this is sort of how it would go imo: Apply for asylum process on arrival ↧ You/your family are assigned a state/region, and an immigration case worker ↧ Given 12 months to find job and prep for path to citizenship test. Case worker/border sec official investigate/work on asylum case ↧ Depending on the outcome of your case (i.e. serious previous conviction found): Path to citizenship test, deportation, or legal right to appeal

[@tranbaohoangvu9464]

I have been waiting on F2B list for years and it still takes me 4 more years to have family-sponsored greencard. Thus, illegal immigrants inside the U.S. cannot be offered legal status. It is not fair.

[@trashcartier4112]

we need to get back to pre 1965 on immigration

[@luddity]

Maybe we need to go back to having these robust debates put on by the League of Women Voters again instead of letting candidates opt out of even participating in debates like we do now.

[@lachua99]

3:35 粵菜😂 means Cantonese cuisine, not the language.

[@frafraplanner9277]

New York Times moment

[@hippoge7987]

Crisis language is actually really dangerous and doesn't solve the issue. There's lots of scholarship on this and how media and politics overblows the 'immigration crisis' making the situation much worse than it needs to be.

[@anicepineapple9067]

Kind of weird that they showed republican support decreasing when that's not what the graph showed.

[@donsergio2406]

I agree with the premise of going back to the 80’s: there was bipartisanship in the quest for a solution, imperfect but reachable at least. Nowadays, any kind of middle ground in Congress is shunned for the sake of a cheap victory in the next election cycle (just check what GOP did recently in the Senate). For the fools that vote for those candidates who promise open borders, or those who claim they will close the borders for good, think twice and send competent people to Congress for a change!

[@user-hm8kj5hx3o]

Dont bring people who cannot carry their own weight.

[@revolutionarydefeatism]

Were the colonialists legal immigrants?

[@ijerryhale]

When I read this comment I thought of two words and term one might learn in a first year logic and critical thinking course. The first word is "impertinent". It's an old timey word but one that fits your comment perfectly. The second word is "presentism", which is I think mixed up with a very bad case of “St. George in Retirement Syndrome" and a lot of first worlders with ADHD and way too much time on their hands. The term one would generally learn in a first year logic and critical thinking course is "red herring", meaning in order to deflect the argument from a subject that one is either unwilling or unable to discuss one throws out the "but what about?" line in order to try and derail the argument altogether.

[@revolutionarydefeatism]

You have nothing to argue, but dropping words! @@ijerryhale

[@worldofdoom995]

They actually built something and didn't demand free housing, healthcare, education from the Natives

[@pandeyom6877]

The colonists conquered the native American thus no need to come to an agreement but the illegal aliens are criminals and rejected members of their respective society. Immigration should be legal and we must attract only the skilled and open minded immigrants, look at Europe how they're suffering.

[@shinjishinjs6060]

They were the blood that created the country and only their blood and genetics can mantain the country as It is

[@homelander.879]

I'm Brazilian, and I think that an illegal immigrant should be treated as illegal! Anyway, a big hug from Brazil.

[@Potus1789-chanel]

This situation has totally gotten out of hand. Biden what the heck are you up to? Are you leaving Texas alone and then not respecting Greg Abbott's choices?

[@tachobrenner]

The Union Clause. Federal law comes before state law.

[@txbre8758]

We can’t bring everyone in, Canada is in a huge crisis because of this.

[@RudieObias]

Ronald Reagan and George Bush would be considered "woke" by modern Republicans 😅

[@BoliceOccifer]

nah

[@shinjishinjs6060]

Don't confuse brainwashing, lying, ignorance and deception with conservatives changing. They were lied about Reagan, Bush, etc. Doesn't mean they changed.

[@chiefschillaxn1781]

the wording of this entire bit is misinformation. calling illegal migrants part of immigration is just lying to people. not once in this video did they clarify anything about the difference between being illegal and legal migrants. this video is lying by omission.

[@daleanolan1464]

Democratic voters aren't that thrilled about so many illegal immigrants. But for different reasons I would not care if more housing was built. To many homeless people.

[@dragonstalk86]

bipartisanship IS the problem though; everything after 1965 has been making things worse, what we're seeing now was inevitable, it was only a matter of how fast we got here short of reverting to pre-1965 immigration law and revoking birthright citizenship of anyone who came in after 1965, nothing is actually fixed

[@malachi-]

15 years ago they were saying they were going to push their way into our country and take it back, quit pretending that everything is just random stuff, all particular goals by groups.

[@Paidwellington]

This is a pretty fair video. Of course it is bias against Republicans, but that's what comes with the territory. Thank you for holding both sides accountable. Illegals do not deserve de facto nor de jure citizenship.

[@Joe-li3zj]

1:59-2:12 This reality needs to be discussed.

[@nikunjtaneja1893]

Not only is Hindi spelt wrongly (correct spelling: हिन्दी) the characters for Cantonese (粤菜) actually mean Cantonese cuisine. A for the effort though! 😂

[@WELVAS.]

The real solution is for both parties to expand pathways for legal citizenship. The current system is very broken. The even bigger solution is to develop ties with the countries the immigrants are coming from so they don't have to leave in the first place. People who left their countries never wanted to leave but had to for a safer and better life. Creating opportunities and safety in their own countries is what will truly make the difference.

[@LennarthAnaya]

Social meia made people being less reasonable, more extremist.

[@leonardoazevedo3173]

Start by asking what Native Americans think of the immigrants who destroyed their people and their homes. All Americans are immigrants. Stop thinking yourselves are special or different.

[@JC-nl3nh]

um native americans migrated from siberia, you know that right? Lol...

[@TheManinBlack9054]

@@JC-nl3nh u cant be that obtuse

[@harrywyependragon4242]

You mean Indians? Are they even real?! I didn't saw any of them in USA, only in South America. Btw they speak Spanish. 😅

[@Rej-gc5zi]

Native Americans getting beasted on with homefield advantage is crazy

[@kenake8465]

The Native Americans didn't create the USA. It was the Europeans. And up until 1965, this country was of majority European descent.

[@KC-Mitch]

90s Democrat ideology (i.e. Clinton's administration) was just Reagan II: Electric Boogaloo. That's why both had similar platforms and seemed to agree on everything. But it came at the cost of working class families, who were growing rapidly in size as a group. The democrats eventually clung to that base and that's when the parties really went in different directions. Granted, that's a giant tl;dr on the shift, but it is a general overview of what happened.

[@clarckkim]

You forgot to add, Congress full of Israels to the point where Benjamin Netanyahu had to do a speech in the congress in 2015, dictating middle east policies, and ended up in a full standing ovation

[@RandyRhode-yq5hq]

The mess started when we didn't enforce the laws. The immigration laws in 1980 ensured orderly and efficient immigration.

[@user-nw6zi6ee8y]

What we need is Republicans who do their job senate Republicans refused to fix the immigration system twice in 2007 and again in 2015 Republican speaker Johnson went on Fox and vowed not to work with Biden

[@GwladYrHaf]

Wow, you’re blaming republicans. 😂

[@worldofdoom995]

By fix you mean completely open the border

[@user-nw6zi6ee8y]

@@worldofdoom995 dude that's not even worth a response but let me ask you this do you know that there is about 3 hundred thousand people who came here with a visa and never renewed it once it expired there here illegally yet no one talks about it why cause there mostly from Europe and white

[@tachobrenner]

​@@worldofdoom995Nope.

[@ILovePancakes24]

Republicons don't want to give Biden a win. It's about elections more than the people.

[@Electro520]

2:45 don’t y’all see the bias they show arrows as if republican support went down but the stats actually went up

[@cathie3874]

It is very strange to hear New York Times gives an Anti-Immigration sound.

[@drstevej2527]

This idea that a pathway for illegals to become citizens is going to do what in terms of solving the problem? If you send the message that you will eventually be legal if you stay long enough it will bring millions and millions of more people. She doesn’t talk about the inequity of allowing people from certain countries that are connected by a land route to the United States such a status over those who can’t get here easily. There are hundreds of millions of people in Asia, Africa, Europe and other regions that want that opportunity but they can’t walk across the border into the USA. What do you tell them and those waiting to come here legally? Sorry but if you play by the rules you get nothing or perhaps an opportunity to come here in 15 years but if you violate our laws you might be rewarded with legal status. Let me think what is wrong with this equation!

[@boiling.behaviours]

Too much green card pride.

[@UltimateDarknezz999]

It's crazy this is a big issue because as someone who lives in an area with a high-immigrant population, I am mostly indifferent. Should we have open borders? No, but also even in an area with a heavy immigrant population I don't see them bothering me or others. They are living there lives. To be honest, what should be surprising is that people still want to come to the USA despite all the chaos of the last almost decade.

[@j.c.denton2060]

There is always a finite amount of government resources, infrastructure, jobs, housing, space, and social capital. While the amounts of each of these aren't set in stone, taking in 8 million people in 3 years on top of the other tens of millions taken in over the past 60-70 years when your society can't handle it just to depress the cost of labor in select industries is insane and cruel to everyone involved.

[@JohnSmith-jg1vm]

We need to weigh the benefits of immigrants period. Demographically, culturally and economically

[@leewuanti4327]

​@@JohnSmith-jg1vm, you'd be surprised there's no culture that has ever existed which was never influenced by another. Take the Christian culture that we embrace in this country and see if it's origin is not from Western Asia or ancient Israel, to be precise. The American culture is here to stay so long as we encourage new arrivals to embrace as has been done for over 200 years.

[@JohnSmith-jg1vm]

@@leewuanti4327 You are blind to see what's being taught in schools to undermine American culture under the guise of "culturally responsive teaching." The country brings all these people in, don't assimilate them correctly and teach bilingualism creating 2 classes of people.

[@alexdale8705]

Our culture is a culture of immigration.

[@lalodaniels1388]

The only crisis is in that these poor people aren't being let in.

[@henrydavis6983]

NYT: complains about polarization also NYT: perpetuates polarization

[@Moribus_Artibus]

Oh please, the NY Times crowd barely knows what a Wal Mart looks like.

[@prvicentebatista]

Hello, i wish the best for everyone

[@giacomotomassone2108]

I'm sorry to see how this video is part of what was the initial problem of Bush and Obama administrations that lead to the current situation: a good analysis of what was broken in the american politics, not what was broken in american society. It's an inversion of cause and effect: the problem is not that US has a bad immigration policy BECAUSE of the failed bipartisan system, the bipartisan system has been broken BECAUSE it has ignored the same problems created by those bipartisan laws made by the past governments. The banality of the conclusion of this video seems that "they don't talk anymore, why they don't talk anymore? That's the main problem of the crisis!". Which is precisely why the people on both sides feels like it's not understood anymore by any traditional media or politician on both political parties.

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

Politics in 2080: Democrat: We should be able to marry anyone we want! Republican: Nonon! Marriage is only between living beings!

[@imperialhonorguard1483]

The hart-celler act is how we got into this mess

[@shithagon_8623]

so true