We need to talk about England | Beyond 80 | Six Nations Rugby Analysis

Episode 3 of beyond 80 takes a deep dive into a frantic Round 3 of Six Nations action with big wins for Scotland and Ireland as well as a pulsating draw in Lille.
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[@jacquelinerafferty6071]

Really enjoying the analysis. Especially appreciated the diagram of the 1st Scottish try. Jacqueline Rafferty

[@thecuttingsark5094]

I really liked this analysis. Top notch. Some real stats and not the surface level rubbish we normally get. And decent analysis from Ben Kay. More please.

[@otuamab]

Thank you for well presented analysis all the games. Great work.

[@MrPoepope]

I think it’s interesting theoretically but Scotland also looked asleep the first 20. I don’t actually think Scotland played that well, they’re just a better team.

[@thecuttingsark5094]

‘Looked asleep’. Thank you, I’ll add that to my list of meaningless jargon.

[@MrPoepope]

@@thecuttingsark5094 They did--I was at the game and they looked completely switched off. But if you need spelled out for you like a child they were sloppy handling the ball, caught ball watching in defence, threw it into touch on their opening drive, overcommitted to the blindside defending the scrum on England's opening try. They didn't look fully alert until after about 15 minutes when they stopped playing such sloppy rugby and making dumb mistakes. Ta.

[@thecuttingsark5094]

@@MrPoepope 😂

[@johnsutcliffe794]

Brilliant analysis

[@kevinstreet5709]

Good analysis

[@johndevoy5792]

brilliant analysis. And I'm an Irish fan...but never really understood just 'how' they make it look so easy.

[@user-tb5tx2mr4d]

Awesome!!

[@Mojo16011973]

great stuff

[@tonydicicco5215]

The blitz defence is akin to playing a high defensive line in football, trying to catch the opposition forwards offside. It’s great when it works well (1990’s Arsenal) but terrible when it goes wrong! Perhaps it’s just too high risk.

[@amantedellopera1681]

It’s not high risk if everyone is singing off the one hymn sheet,like Ireland and Leinster,took nienbar 14 games to get it working,Leinster have almost perfected it.

[@christianwithers7335]

No wrong comparison, the blitz defence in rugby is akin to the high press in football. Everyone goes together, or it fails. Obviously both tactics are interceptions and reducing time, space and options for the team with the ball. Rugby is a positional and territorial game- all your players are behind the ball, all opponents are in front, football is 360.

[@tonydicicco5215]

No, if the high press goes wrong, it doesn’t necessarily lead a goal in football, but get the blitz defence wrong in rugby and it invariably leads to a score - so therefore it’s akin in getting the offside line wrong in football.

[@otagogold2236]

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[@Tellemore]

I hope your captioning of Ireland v Wales at 16:35 as “IRA v WAL” was accidental!

[@joeldungate8964]

England have made 14 line breaks? Honestly, that’s about a dozen more than I thought we had!

[@timseytiger9280]

That's in three games.

[@stevemoore4012]

Thoughts please > aren't there any big wingers who could play 13 alongside Lawrence or Tuilagi.... Freeman? Joe Cokanasiga? If you go all-out pace would the benefits of all the line breaks with multiple speed demons running together outweigh the loss of the more experienced playmakers? ​I was imagining Arundell (should the overseas rule be scrapped?) or Freeman at 13, Radwan & EFW at 11/14.... Surely 3 of these running together off a Marcus Smith pass or line break would be more effective than the kick-chase dogma?

[@davidwalker2402]

Too many errors, but thats usually caused by pressure , I think coaching and figuring out other teams has been abysmal. Bortwick knows only one way to play England need to do that or get rid of bortwick. For me bortwick needs to go he doesn’t in still confidence in his team . Irelands team and its coaches believe in what they are doing .

[@williem1710]

England has over 1800 rugby clubs & 340,000 registered players. Scotland has around 200 clubs & 60,000 registered players. What is wrong with the structure of rugby in England?

[@acw8338]

It begins with a capital P…

[@Valhalla88888]

Scotland only has 2 Pro Teams😂

[@thecuttingsark5094]

40% of Scotlands starting line up Come from those same England players you just mentioned. 20% from overseas.

[@christianwithers7335]

Yes weak small Props

[@laurencesmith2199]

Just the cyclical thing about sport . Everybody dips eventually and England have had lots of success and good teams for years . Sometimes even the monkeys fall out the trees .

[@paulstaples7854]

Turnovers by game: 10,13,22... "just a little bit worse every game". From a data analyst. 14 line breaks, second worst in the tournament. We are now cannon fodder.

[@pmarsden89]

England are fit enough for a blitz defence

[@ianmuir3640]

Scotland wanted it more than England