We Need to Talk About How Weird the Foreigner Class Is

[@josurecio5945]

Foreigners loose to Alter Egos because you can't break a mind that's already split or fragmented. Alter Egos loose to Pretenders because you can easily include false information in the broken discourse of their multiple personalities. Pretenders loose to Foreigners because you can't lie to someone that reads and breaks minds. That's how I think about it.

[@Greennaris_Rater]

Wow, that's first justification of these classes' relationship I've seen!

[@Mardshima89]

Alter Ego -> normies who bully the weirdos Foreigner -> weirdos who can see through the pleaser Pretender -> pleaser who fools the normies

[@theopeneyes]

I greatly enjoy the Foreigner class. I think the "non-eldritch" ones still make sense as their powers originate from outside of Earth as per their class shared passive "Existence Outside the Domain" with most of them being space themed. I just wish Voyager wasn't the only male one and he was released 4 years ago...

[@invidatauro8922]

I love that Voyager is an Eldritch Abomination, but he's OUR Eldritch Abomination

[@beneditoneto5811]

Hope Ordeal Call 5 addresses more about Foreigner. And it scares me the fact that Fujimaru, who often goes to singularities through their dreams, parallels a certain outer god that also have stuff about dreams as well.

[@Hazewhite]

what scares me about the ordeal calls is that Ritsuka always seems to take the role of the class, on OC1 they were an alter ego, OC2 they were put into the mentality of an avenger and on OC3 They were one of the competing mooncancers, which is ringing some alarm bells for the Foreigner one

[@cyechan50]

Am I a man deaming about being a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming I am a man?

[@constantdemonics]

Also important is the servant currently keeping from mind break ending is Abigail.

[@samblindao5421]

You NEVER know what you get with the Foreigner class. You can either get Kukulkan or Mysterious Heroine XXXtreme alter 😭

[@Rogue-a-Pogue]

I can't even be mad about foreigner Jacque de Molay. The sheer amount of effort they put into justifying what could easily be dismissed as a cynical gender-swap to encourage horny people to roll was impressive.

[@morsayxd]

​​@@Rogue-a-Pogue foreigner jacque was well established. She is a counterfeit created by her outer god to be its host. The reason she is female is mostly fanservice but it serves as a way to dissociate her even more from the actual molay and it solidify herself even more as an impostor. Plus if you gonna create a female character why wouldnt you make her attractive lol. I love how people do not care when we get shirtless male character left and right (because it is cool) but the moment it is a hot woman , it is all of a sudden an issue 😂.

[@ccc2839]

@@Rogue-a-Pogue bro the outer god in Jacque is Shub Nigurrath

[@aokyoutsuki7744]

​@@morsayxdi mean, the 'uproar' is for genderbends, dont go "bringing shirtless male is okay but if female people get uppity" like okay i geddit some are desensitized than others n vice versa, im gonna wait till there's enough females genderbending to males to see this theory true

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

@ccc2839 AKA the only Outer God whose name i am afraid to say out loud.

[@morsayxd]

foreigner class was never about outer gods , it was about being that didnt belong to the planet aka foreigners to the planet. Eldritch foreigners are foreigners because they host eldritch being which are foreign in nature. Non eldritch foreigners are foreigner because their origin is outside the planet or like voyager who is partially the lil prince , they have a part of them that belong outside of the planet , in that regard voyager is really similar to eldritch foreigner

[@mr.skeptic]

I guess, seeing all the servants, that is true. But with how they treat those color-changing skin tone designs, some of their stories, and even the class card itself, it's easy to think that this is the class for those who got possessed by eldritch horrors lmao.

[@devynmalu]

@@mr.skepticthat’s fair, though one of them looks the way they do solely because of circumstances, an alien object that the current humanity worshiped to the point it became a god

[@oldsnake771]

>first foreigner >Is a gaijin what did they mean by this

[@MetalFreezer3000]

Berserkers succomb to their madness, Foreginers embrace that madness, which is why I see them being stronger than Berserkers Then we have the hole Triangle between Alter Egos, Foreginers and Pretenders, the thing they have in common is that they "involve more than one person" to put in some way Alter Egos are composed of several Spirits Foreginers are Lovecraftian beings influencing over an Heroic Spirit, then that are losing their sanity the more they rely on their Lovecraftian Power and Pretenders are... well, someone being a completly different Heroic Spirit from who they claim to be I don't know extactly how each one fills on being stronger than the other tho, in the end it was just to make Alter Egos not a pain in the ass to fight, as their supposed "weakness" was just the Knight Classes having resistance, but not effectiveness from Knight Classes to Alter Egos

[@Mardshima89]

Alter Ego -> normies who bully the weirdos Foreigner -> weirdos who can see through the pleaser Pretender -> pleaser who fools the normies

[@Phantomcrustacean]

The confusion about what they are, and how they’re currently betrayed, comes down to two things. First would be, obviously, it’s probably pretty exhausting trying to write a story about an unknowable horror and have a servant surrounding that, The second and more likely answer, if they do too many based on Lovecraft, it takes away the impact of them, they won’t seem as important as they’re made out to be, like imagine for a moment, if we had a good number of servants like the fairy knights, sure that would be cool but it would take away what made those three special. As for the alter ego question, the way i see it, they’re super effective because there essentially foreign as well, they are a hodgepodge of gods, servants and sometimes a strong-willed person, they’re mixtures of personalities, memories, clashing concepts, by their very nature, they’re a walking contradiction, so it stands to reason that a walking contradiction wouldn’t be affected by something that’s also considered a contradiction by the human mind

[@ShadowkillerT13]

My take on the alter ego class affinity is that most alter ego's are just that. Atler(native) versions created specifficaly for fighting specific threats. Look at Okita Alter as the best example. In that way you could think of them as living excaliburs or living weapons.

[@ProjectTaker]

Probably no accident all Alter Egos in story are weaponised Gods or God killers (or in Xu Fu’s case, a Immortal Slayer though it didn’t quite work)

[@palladin1337]

My take on the Foreigner affinity is this; Because they are channeling power from beings outside of the established systems on Earth, they are able to passively influence and unbalance those same systems just through the exercising of that power. For people, this means unsettling and unbalancing your sense of self and perception of reality. That means that Pretenders, because they seem to be people who've taken on the identity of others (willing or not likely doesn't matter) in order to channel their skills, are uniquely susceptible to this interference because their 'sense of self' is already less than stable because they're playing the part of a completely different person to begin with. Meanwhile, Alter Egos are likely resistant to this for reasons that vary depending on the Servant. For the Sakura Five, it's likely because their identities as individuals is hard coded into them since they were originally just programs within the Moon Cell. Kiara was someone who was capable of not only surviving possession from a Demon God Pillar but was able to turn it around and take its power for herself before killing it while she was possessed, which implies a rather strong ability to maintain herself even under those conditions. Sitonai is an amalgamation of several Norse deities inhabiting Illya as a vessel, and those beings appear to be at least partially conscious within her so anything trying to unbalance her mind is going to be squaring off with several things at once. Okita Alter is a Counter Guardian, so she's likely operating with some level of protection from the Counter Force in general. Maybe this isn't perfect, or even the logic the writers are operating under, but that's at least how I've tried to justify their relation to one another.

[@lordshakingcrying7778]

An entire channel dedicated to the lore and designs of FGO? *subs* keep up the good work and i plan to binge all your vids 😊

[@snezhnayanpenguin4671]

I like the idea of dividing the video explaining the class in general and the one where you explain the servants place in those classes. It gives you more leeway as to what you can say in a reasonable time.

[@randomrobin7773]

Foreigner is my favorite class, I'm a huge fan of HP Lovecraft and Abigail is my favorite servant.

[@equalopportunity2048]

Based Abby enjoyer, she's also my favorite.

[@luisb.garcia8493]

Foreigner: Wtf its that weird and broke thing

[@gojiron]

My explanation of how Foreigner affinities work: The Foreigner always choose minds that are weak or easy to manipulate but have great impact on humanity, for example Van Gogh being one of the most famous artists but at the same time being very vulnerable mentally, this with the Alter Ego could not happen as these are formed from the minds of multiple entities being perfect fusions outside of human comprehension and the understanding of the Outer Gods, so an Alter Ego has greater mental resistance because of this. And with the Pretenders the thing is the opposite, they are quite simple entities but they try to deceive everyone around them making them believe that they are something more than simple impostors, the Pretenders can deceive and attack the Alter Ego by knowing their spiritual origins as seen in LB6, instead they are weak towards the Foreigners because they are still minds of human origin.

[@AnonYmous-oe7qb]

Honestly, the thing that makes Foreigners the most unique and useful in my opinion is their defensive/offensive advantage over Berserkers. They are the only class that has that. It's handy because Zerkers are probably the most common enemy type in FGO. What do you think it is about Outer God's that makes Madness Enhancement not just negatable, but actually detrimental? That seems like an obvious answer, except in the Cthulhu mythos being already insane is likely second best to being illiterate- you would think they would be strong versus rational (Holmes) or author (Hans) types.

[@IchigoShinagami]

This is written half from my memory of someone theorizing why Foreigners are effective against Berserkers, and half of my own interpretation of things. Foreigners are effective against Berserkers specifically because Madness is their domain, but while Berserkers gain power from very understandable types of Madness, like Rage/bloodlust, or a single-minded drive to do something (that's how I interpret Nightingale), Foreigners are the much deeper kind Madness, the one you get when you see or experience things that shouldn't ever happen, that shouldn't exist in this World (so Eldritch Horror, basically). So a Berserker attacking a Foreigner is stepping into someone who beats them at their own game, it's like throwing a bucket of water into the Ocean.

[@Drakno2]

Sefar was a special case cause of the magic immunity it had so a physical threat is required to deal with it, that's why in one timeline the olympian gods who merged their mechs could defeat it and excalibur that generates pure heat to attack could defeat Sefar.

[@IAm9Tales]

theory: since one of the olgas apparently says that the pretender class was created inside chaldeas, which was hypothetically raided and wiped by the foreign god, it could be that pretenders are weak to foreigners because the foreign god, who is from outside the planet, was the one who created them, giving some control over them and as for foreigners having advantage over berserkers, i've always interpreted it as the representation of how otherworldly and incomprehensible they are, they break a fundamental rule of the class affinity that berserkers are both strong and weak to almost every class

[@phamquan8517]

Welp, I hope we wouldn't see some undead searching for Alice.

[@albertoluis1544]

and then Grimm just headpated them all lol

[@rudcol8164]

Foreigner used to be my favorite class......

[@sonokawaray]

One of the details I like about Koyan Dark's final ascension is that during her NP you can see extra eyes open on her tails --- the kind of thing you would expect beings of a Lovecraftian flavor to have. I think she's an interesting inversion on what Foreigners usually are. If normally they're incomprehensible beings from space reaching into our world, Koyanskaya is trying to reach out and ascend to a similar level. And her chosen form, a terrestrial animal instead of the usual aquatic-inspired forms we usually see, reflects her different origins, being born here on Earth.

[@jacobi5272]

I’ve always gotten the idea that for Voyager’s reason for being a Foreigner isn’t that he’s from outside of Earth but rather he was sent out to watch those who aren’t more closely. And over time as he’s gotten farther away he’s become foreign to Earth. Still, his job is to continue to watch and monitor those of the Foreigner class and relay the information back to Earth should something catastrophic be approaching. I’d love an alter version of him where having been away for so long he becomes corrupted by one of these foreign entities and takes on the look of Foreigner servants that allow outer gods to reside in them. After all, when one stares into the abyss the abyss shall stare back.

[@bashamd96]

My favorite question my friend asked me when explaining Foreigners is if the space police are outer gods cause I just refuse to figure out why space = Foreigner and XX exists

[@Phantomcrustacean]

The joke is capitalism is an unknowable horror, barely anyone understands it, it’s reaches near infinite, and can easily drive anyone insane if they’re not careful

[@Surikoazimaet]

Even if you toss in Descenders from the empty void it gets murky like with Pretenders, Alter Egos, etc when you can't shrug it off with "Summer, that's why!" if you try to distill the class when you remove clowns or fake sisters. (Only "Alters" are a bigger headache in this regard.)

[@blux_cross]

Servantverse stuff is just confusing though definitely an interesting one even if they mostly exist as a joke at first Considering that it very much is possible to just modify a spirit origin the space police probably made those that deals with foreigners have the beings from outer realm ability (I kinda forgot what it's really called, but it's basically the one every foreigners have), my best theory on that is that foreigners usually are able to seek or maybe sense out other foreigners so making ones that deals with them like XX a foreigner is probably the best way to deal with them This is all just some wild theories I'm making up, purely because foreigners lore and servantverse lore is just very intriguing for me

[@TahjPollock]

​@@SurikoazimaetHonestly i just boil alters down to proto alter egos. Basically the same thing minus the mixed with different servants (At least regarding the BB faces), foreigners like Gogh have the mixed thing going on too

[@Drakno2]

What relic could summon a foreigner? A book of puns, let's fucking Gogh

[@edgargaebolg9307]

For Gogh you just need some potatoes and ibuprofen

[@Drakno2]

@@edgargaebolg9307 Goghcourse that too is an option

[@kubiishere]

beyond human comprehension and it's just pancakes

[@covfefe5884]

Instantly subscribed, this is FANTASTIC!

[@mr.skeptic]

Welcome aboard!

[@madambutterfly1997]

The Foreigner class servants are the pre-fairy dragon types

[@ronaldvexdian2182]

I honestly love the concept of the Foreigner class. The idea of Cthulhu mythos being in FGO is a cool concept, especially with many of the servants having different Outer Gods. It’s cool that there are two types of Foreigners: those with Outer Gods and those without. But it makes sense why they’re in the class. The definition of the word Foreigner is someone or thing coming from somewhere else. With servants like Oei, Molay, and Abigail, they house beings outside our comprehension from another planet of existence. Then you have Mysterious Heroine XX(also Alter), they’re from the Servantverse, a place different from our own. Even Voyager makes sense since as a space probe, he would be a foreigner to other solar systems and galaxies. It’s the reason why whenever I think of my SI OC being a servant, the class I see him as the most is Foreigner or Grand Foreigner because he constantly travels worlds as a Drifter. So above being a swordsman, a gunslinger, spearman, or a man or gave in to madness, he’s a foreigner to all the worlds he’s traveled to.

[@emanuel5242]

great vid!

[@maximilianoluisgomez4191]

well, i could try to explain that triangle of pretender, alter ego and foreigner, but see them how they can counter the 7 knights, example, if you think about the alter ego countering the caster class, one could think about concentration

[@equalopportunity2048]

Foreigner is still my favorite class, but mainly due to Abby specifically as well as the Outer God/Lovecraftian ones in general. Great and fun vid!!

[@nekcuuz]

voyager in voyager class but is a foreigner in fgo😄

[@invidatauro8922]

The Foreigners are just that. Foreigners. They are beings that originated from outside of Earth. That means SOME are Eldritch in nature, but not all. After all, within the wider Nasuverse, the rules of the universe are based upon the rules of Earth itself. A foreigner is a being that doesn't follow these rules as they have arrived from somewhere else with their own set of rules. As a fun side note, Voyager is techincally a foreigner in that he is foreign to the wider universe, and like the other foreigners, he is implementing the rules of his origin on where he goes (ie. He is essentially a God of humanity's own making.)

[@hellrider22393]

1:56 just take a look...I'm absolutely am

[@izzymosley1970]

Out of curiosity how much free will do the foreigners have are they more or less completely free or are they slaves to the beings that they have a contract with? And if they are mostly free have we ever seen a foreigner get fully possessed by whatever Eldritch being they have a contract with?

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

sometimes they get posessed, generally on their events or some stpry related stuff, but on chaldea they have free will

[@Surikoazimaet]

Generally they just chill like any, mostly sane, servant. Unless we get special moments like with Van Gogh's introduction, then the rails can go off a cliff. Or when Abigail went nuts in Salem.

[@Observe-h1t]

Abigail is the only one known so far to be completely possessed once when Lavinia is killed, when Yog took over she technically became beast-class servant to the point counter force begin to react.

[@umath6392]

เท่าที่ผมเข้าใจ ฟารีนเนอร์ จะเป็นคลาสที่เพิ่มเข้ามาเพื่อขยายขอบเขตของเนื้อเรื่องและระบบการเล่นของเกมล่ะนะ ส่วนตีมที่ใช้กำหนดหรือจำแนกฟารีนเนอร์เองน่าจะเป็นประมาณว่ามีองค์ประกอบที่เกี่ยวพันกับเนื้อเรื่องขนาดไหนล่ะมังนะ ถึงยืนพื้นจะเป็นไปแบบแนวๆเลิฟคราฟที่เป็นไซไฟฮอเรอร์ แต่หลักๆจะเป็นพาโรดี้ของเรื่องราวตามข้อมูลหรือเรื่องแต่งมากกว่าล่ะนะ การจำแนกเองก็เลยจะแล้วแต่การตีความของคนแต่งเรื่องกับการนำเสนอน่ะ(เพราะต้องกำหนดให้ชัดเจนก่อนที่จะเอาไปทำส่วนต่างๆน่ะ ตั้งแต่อิมเมจตัวละคร จัดเรียงออกแบบค่าพลังความสามารถ กำหนดคอสกำหนดบทบาท ทำภาพประกอบทำอนิเมชั่น อะไรอีกหลายๆอย่างเลยล่ะนะ) ก็เลยเหมือนจำแนกกับตีความกว้างๆว่า"เป็นผู้ที่ไม่ได้เกิด เติบโต อยู่อาศัย ในดาวเคราะห์หรือมิติเวลาเดียวกับมนุษย์ชาติในยูนิเวิสเฟทจีโอ"ล่ะมังนะ ถ้าเรียกเหยียดๆหน่อยก็ประมาณ"เอเลี่ยน"น่ะล่ะ(ก็ยังดีที่ยังไม่มีการเหยียดสีผิวน่ะนะ) เลยคิดว่า ทั้งพวกต่างเรื่องแต่ง(โคลาโบ) ต่างมิติ ต่างโลก มาจากดาวเคราะห์หรือจักรวาล มิติเวลาหรือเส้นแขงมิติเวลาอื่นในมหาเอกภพเดียวกันแล้วอยู่ในยูนิเวิสเฟทจีโอ แล้วมีบทบาทกับความเป็นไปคามเงื่อนไขหรือการแพ้ทางกัน ถึงจะเป็นฟารีนเนอร์เหมือนกันแต่ก็อาจจะถูกเปลี่ยนคลาสเพื่อให้เข้ากับการนำเสนอน่ะ เพราะต้องใช้ระบบของคลาวเดียในการวิเคราะห์ เรียบเรียงข้อมูล จำแนกคลาสล่ะนะ(ไม่งั้นอาจจะตีไม่เข้าหรือมีสกิลโกงๆหลายๆสแต็กน่ะ) , ส่วน อันเทอร์อีโก้นี่ ผมคิดว่าในเฟทจีโอกับซีซีซี เป็นคนละอย่างกันล่ะนะ อย่างซีซีซีนี่ไม่ว่าคลาสไหนก็จะเป็นอัลเทอร์อีโก้ในมูนแคนเซอร์ทั้งหมด(เซวิเออร์ก็ด้วยล่ะมังนะ) แต่อัลเทอร์อีโก้ของเฟทจีโอนี่จะเหมือนเป็นอีกตัวตนนึงที่แยกออกมาจากตัวตนหลักที่มีบุคลิคตัวตนความคิดอ่านความรู้สึกที่ต่างกันไปในแต่บุคลิกเลยน่ะ อีกทั้งถึงผมจะเคยพูดตามทฤษฏีการแพ้ทางของฟารีนเนอร์ไว้ แต่ความเป็นไปหลักๆจะเป็นการกำหนดคลาสที่คลาวเดียกำหนดไว้มากกว่าน่ะ(เพราะเป็นระบบเกมล่ะนะ เลยไม่แน่ว่าอาจจะมีคลาสใหม่มาเติมเรื่อยๆน่ะ เหมือนเป็นสมดุลซ้อนสมดุลล่ะนะ) เฟทจีโอ กับ เฟทจีโออาเขต ก็เลยเป็นเหมือนอยู่กันคนละมิติเวลาเส้นขนาดหรือมหาเอกภพกันไปโดยปริยายล่ะมังนะ , ส่วนคลาสเซวิเอร์นี่ ผมคิดว่าไม่น่าเอามาลงนะ เพราะมันแปร่งเกินไปน่ะ(แม้แต่ผมเองก็ยังคิดว่ามันยังดูโกงไปเลยล่ะนะ) บีสเองก็เหมือนจะมีบางคลาสที่เอฟเฟกอยู่เหมือนกัน(เหมือนแล้วแต่เอฟเฟคน่ะ อย่างพวกทำดามเมจเพิ่มจากพวกที่ถูกกำหนดว่า"คาออส" "อีวิล" หรือ "แอนติฮิวแมน"อะไรพวกนี้น่ะ) ก็เลยเป็นความซับซ้อนของสมดุลเกมที่มากกว่าสมดุล3ฐานล่ะนะ แต่ปัญหาจริงๆน่าจะเป็นค่านิยม อย่างพวกความเชื่อ ศาสนา การเมือง อะไรพวกนี้มากกว่าน่ะ ที่ถ้าเอามาทำเกมทำเนื้อเรื่องแล้วอาจจะมีปัญหาล่ะนะ (อย่างพุทธะเองแต่เดิมก็เคยเป็นคนธรรมดาในวรรณะกษัตริย์ของฝั่งอินเดีย ตอนที่สิทธัตถะเกิดมาก็มีพรามณ์ทำนายว่าถ้าไม่ได้เป็นยอดกษัตริย์ ก็จะเป็นยอดศาสดา ผมเองก็เลยอยากจะรู้อยากจะเห็นว่าถ้าสิทธัตถะไม่ได้เลือกที่จะค้นหาวิถีทางแห่งการพ้นทุกข์แบบทิ้งฐานันดรทิ้งลูกทิ้งเมียแล้วออกธุดงบำเพ็ญทุกขกิริยาแล้วไปทำอย่างอื่นวิธีอื่น หรือไม่ก็ กลายเป็นยอดกษัตริย์ไปแทน จะมีความเป็นไปหรือเรื่องราวอะไรยังไงแบบไหนออกมาให้เห็น? หรือแม้กระทั้งเยซูที่ถ้าไม่เลือกที่จะเป็นนักบุญ แต่เลือกที่จะใช้การเมืองการทหารแทนก็อาจจะกลายเป็นจักรพรรดิ์โรมแล้วทำสงครามกับศาสนะจักรจนชนะเลยก็ได้มังนะ เลยคิดว่าแต่ละแนวเรื่องมันก็น่าสนใจดีน่ะ เพียงแต่ การที่ยังไม่มีใครเขียนใครแต่งเรื่องแนวพาโรดี้ที่ว่า ก็น่าจะเพราะปัญหาที่มาจากค่านิยมที่ว่านั่นล่ะมังนะ ผมก็เลยไม่รู้ว่าจะมีใครคิดใครเขียนอยู่หรือเปล่าน่ะ ก็เลยว่าจะเขียนเองแต่งเรื่องเองเล่นๆอยู่เหมือนกันล่ะนะ น่าสนใจดีน่ะ) .

[@ccc2839]

Aoko first tier magic is prety much very eldritch if you are a mage in nasuverse. its like myth beyond human reach

[@MedTw-u2p]

Ain't no way bro didn't talk about ORT 😢

[@mr.skeptic]

Because I'm planning to include that in the next Foreigner video, as I mentioned about the members of the class.

[@farhanfarr8368]

Funfact : Voyager is the only male Foreigner to this day..

[@zerodiversion4509]

Ar end of the day, Foreigner class servants are still figures of human history, myth, or fiction. I feel like it is not impossible to summon them but that also has its ramifications. If the summoning system was a gacha, then having Foreigners in the mix means that there is always a chance that a Master ends up summoning a servant who turns out to have a Lovecraftian pact. At the same time, they may not even know that it is possible to begin with, making the situation even worse.

[@ProjectTaker]

Though it makes up the majority, Foreigner ≠ Eldritch gods. They are, as their name implies, entities foreign to the planet Earth. Voyager and Koyanskaya of Darkness are more “normal” examples by virtue of literally originating from outer space. The various Mysterious Heroines are from another universe. Aoko’s really complicated to explain but it’s due to Fifth Magic being recognised like a foreign entity of the planet (The Counter Force itself even directly intervenes to suppress her whenever she casts Fifth Magic). Also, the Cthulhu Mythos has been canon in the Nasuverse since Fate/Zero. Gilles De Rais grimoire, Prelati’s Spellbook, is the R’lyeh Text. He even chants “Ph'nglui mglw'nafh wgah'nagl fhtagn” when summoning the giant monster at the bridge.

[@mr.skeptic]

Yea Gilles having those cthulhu grimoire somehow doesnt hit me at all lmao

[@hunsoulo8112]

didnt bring up how there more affective against berserkers and how that works logically speaking

[@FoxfireDraven]

Ackshually 🤓 4* foreigners do exist, mysterious heroine Xx

[@NastiorshoKi]

Damn, I love foreigner.

[@Mechamorphh]

I believe that the Advantage Alter Egos have over Foreigners is multi-faceted. For one, as many-made-one, Alter Egos are conceptually opposed to Foreigners whose patrons as One-who-are-many as practically all Outer Gods and Great Old Ones have many manifestations. Furthermore, the different essences mixed into the Alter Ego makes it difficult to corrupt them by Foreign influence. More pertinently, Alter Egos originated within the Moon Cell. Thus while their components are of Earth, their birthplace is somewhere beyond it. Luna has long sheltered Earth from meteor strikes and is the nearest celestial body to Terra. In other words, Alter Egos represent a Foreign but allied power to the deities of Earth and therefore have power over beings from even further into the cosmos.

[@dantes4780]

My favorite servant class, got all of them.☺️

[@idiom2805]

Earth gods couldn't do anything about an outer god, so the earth gods made a weapon that could kill an outer god and gave it to a person? I don't know, Chief. The math ain't mathing on that one.

[@mr.skeptic]

no no, the earth itself made the weapon. but idk lmao

[@Cynicz13]

Apologies in advance about to go theory on ya. So the skin color tone to purple I'm pretty sure is a reference to The Colour Out of Space. Also I'm going to go into a theory related to all the more recent foreigners and why I think they are more than they appear to be. Theory time do not continue without having read Traum. Sherlock Holmes is the reason we've been able to identify foreigners in the game and once he's gone we no longer have that ability to see the truth behind them. We know from his explanations how to categorize them but without Sherlock we can't actually see who they really are. First: Look at Sherlock Holmes third ascension both art and in game model. Second: Look at the Foreigner Card. Third: Look back at Holmes Fourth: It's the same picture. After the events of Traum Sherlock leaves Chaldea. He was who helped us first recognize the foreigner class and I do not believe we had the class until Sherlock did something to the Chaldean Summon System. His interlude, intro story, and anytime he appears is always sus and then we have Moriarty who has been against him most of the game predicting that the was going to be revealed to be a foreigner so he created Mecha Eli's to fight him off when he eventually changed since Alter-Egos are strong against foreigners. It's not a coincidence that the Salem epic of remnant happened shortly after Sherlock did something. He either opened the door to let them in or he did something to help Chaldea recognize them for what they are. The reason Sherlock can recognize the foreigner class is because he is one. Specifically he is the foreigner Daoloth. If you look up Daoloth you can see a very real similarity to Sherlock's noble phantasm and the depiction of this entity falls in line with what Sherlock represents. Daoloth's priests are said to be able to see the past and the future and even how objects extend into and travel between different dimensions. Daoloth is also capable of allowing others to view things as they really are, not as our veiled senses perceive them. Daoloth will play a role in the end of days when he pulls back the veil and reveals the true dimensions of reality. So my theory is that there is something more to all of the Foreigners who have joined since Sherlock's disappearance and we can't actually tell what they are due to the absence of Daoloth. This means that we have a few foreigners in the game hiding in plain sight and at least one that isn't. Subterfuge is something foreigner servants like to do as we've seen with Imaginary Scramble. I think this is a more advanced adaptation of this plan. Imaginary Scramble was likely a test run. In reference to the non-outer god servants from when Sherlock was still with us I think we have a pretty good reason for why Daoloth believes them to be foreigners; Voyager for example is an actual foreigner to the Outer Gods as he is encroaching more and more on their territory by the day. It makes sense that Voyager would be classified as a foreigner by an actual foreigner. Mysterious Heroine XX on the other hand is literally an enemy of Outer Gods and also has with her the weapon of Ado Edem from Notes which was used to fight off Types. I believe Foreigners can be classified as two categories. Inner Gods & Outer Gods. Inner Gods are entities originating from within the solar system of Earth while Outer Gods are entities from outside of it.3 I think the Alter Ego theory is also spot on. They can't be corrupted due to either being programs or having higher mental protections due to having three entities inside a single being. Moriarty was creating a bunch of mecha eli's specifically for this reason. Lovecraft mythos the heroes often go mad so having protection against this is probably why Alter-Egos are more effective against foreigners. I think it might also be why Beserskers are a class foreigners are strong against because their insanity effects drive berserkers even more mad. The only thing I'm not currently sure on is why foreigners are strong against pretenders but that's something we will probably have a better idea on as time continues. Anyway this is just a theory. I have a few ideas who some of the hiding foreigners might be as well as who the third aspect of Sherlock might be but those theories need to be fleshed out a bit more.

[@adamloga3788]

I always saw Foreigners trumping Pretenders as the Foreigner just completely ignoring what qualified the Heroic Spirit for that class because what does Cthulu or the cosmos care if you aren't who yiu say you are. Would you bother to check if an ant was actually an ant?

[@elixxon]

the answer is really the most boring one. the class affinity rock-paper-scissors system is just there for an extra gameplay mechanic and has no logical basis sword has no advantage over a polearm, and a polearm has no advantage over a bow likewise how would an assassin have advantage over the hardest to catch target, and how does rider advantage over caster would work? it's just a rudimentary mechanic to "deepen" the gameplay so just because one servant is strong you still need like ten others of different classes for full coverage of situations Avenger was added to counter Ruler's really broken all resist moon cancer was added to counter avenger's lack of weakness and their weakness to rulers closes the triangle foreigner was added to counter the berserker omni-advantage alter ego was added to counter foreigner's all neutral resistance pretender was added to counter alter ego's lack of weakness, and closing another triangle

[@nothingxs]

the content is interesting but god the AI interpolation is so awful

[@svenkenway2962]

MHXX then

[@Thissentenceisfalselosers]

My dude, OC3 came out and retroactively made Mooncancers a serious thing. It's a little late to be pointing out Foreigners now.