We Need to Talk About the AI in Gran Turismo 7

A look ahead to the AI that will feature in Gran Turismo 7. I have reason to believe that the AI at launch won't be too different from what we've seen in previous GT games, namely Gran Turismo Sport. However, the recent announcement on Gran Turismo Sophy makes the future incredibly impelling indeed.
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[@Super_GT]

Slight editing mistake at 12:59. Main thing that you couldn't see was the AI cars driving slightly slower than expected on the straights and the controlled car going past very easily. Either way, interesting developments with the Sophy system. I hope it can be developed quickly so we can see it introduced into GT7 quickly.

[@ramenfan0]

Ok

[@shaun__3]

Thought my audio had gotten out of sync then haha

[@YodaWasSith]

If you hadn't mentioned it, 99% of us never would have noticed.

[@southernprideperformance2951]

Definitely reloaded my video a few times thinking it was on my end 😂

[@barbarianzg8826]

I know who or from where Sophie arrived..should be familliar with every gt gamer.. :) I's a brilliant idea,actually..

[@mattg3537]

Community: The Ai is too easy Kaz: Fun isn’t something one considers when balancing The Universe. But this… does put a smile on my face.

[@powerblades]

Gran turismo never was an easy simulator.

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

Bruh fucken true tho. This is the nuclear option.... Fanbase be like "I can beat this dumb AI with one hand behind my back!" Kaz's response? "When the Earth starts to settle....GOD THROWS A STONE AT IT. And believe me, _he's winding up."_

[@ultimatemeepo]

@@powerblades True but thats actually player based....it always has been....but if they make some deadly AI itll be cool because there has been NO GT where the AI even on the hardest was ever a challenge

[@twintwix123456789]

what is kaz? That is a nice quote. Or who is kaz?

[@DarthVaradkar]

​@@twintwix123456789 He's the CEO of polyphony, producer of Gran Turismo

[@ericperich4390]

If the AI can learn how to race better then they should make an “adaptive” difficulty so the AI will adjust to how good you are to give fair and fun races

[@Super_GT]

I guess that this is ultimately what they will try to achieve. The first step is just to see if it can actually be quick - which it can. Next job is to make it work at a bigger range of ability levels so more of us can have a good race against it.

[@privateeromally7347]

I think that may be what the different Sophies are. Maybe each Sophie with a different last name is based on what information they have. But idk

[@dmk_weaver]

That's called rubberband AI and is used in Mariokart for 30 years now.

[@Dakota__69]

@@dmk_weaver Rubberbanding adds speed artificially, not quite the same thing

[@bfcricky]

Nah, just let people choose the difficulty, there’s no need to force the campaign to be difficult for people, sometimes it’s fun and relaxing to have easy races

[@AdamAdamHDL]

The AI knocks the player out of the way..... That's revenge for 20 years of players doing that to the AI

[@chrispeters8555]

Haha damn they finally learned my strategy!

[@exapsy]

Gran Turismo becomes Human 💀

[@petrossteadilious]

I was racing at Alcace passed an M3 and a Mercedes’ on the inside as I exited the corner the M3 just hit me and spun me round.I watched the replay I didn’t move over I was still on the kerb and going straight so it just sent me off in to “the shadow realm” 😬

[@IllusArt]

Hahaha I said that to myself.

[@AWigglePig]

I did it to them because they did it to me... they completely ignore where you are and ram into you just to get on the racing line (at least in GT5-GT6)

[@WatANub4]

With this AI, it would be pretty cool if they brought back B-Spec. Would be fun to watch AI go crazy against each other.

[@kriskater]

Damn that would be ! 😶

[@bliglum]

Good point!

[@kierann0]

I think they will eventually add the B-Spec mode into the game, because the long endurance runs (which I hope they add too, like the 24h ones) Most of the fandom don't like the b-spec because they say it's boring, but I already think it's necessary. Are kind of in demand, as not all players will have the time or energy to play 24 hours straight

[@itzsaccoo9242]

@@kierann0 how about zero players want to play 24hr straight? Dafuq lol

[@kierann0]

@@itzsaccoo9242 There are people willing to do it haha

[@crawlmanjrable]

The most impressive thing about Sophy is that it actually makes racing fun. I rather have an AI that's a little too aggressive than just moves out of the way anytime you get close to it (cough cough f1 2020)

[@kamilex5]

In F1 2021 they're lot better

[@Super_GT]

I agree. Some of the moves done by the AI were aggressive but at least it's a race for the humans. That's better than easily beating a brain-dead AI.

[@AD-df5tm]

Exactly. Finishing 6th or 8th in a race can be the most exciting race ever if its a hard fought battle. Having a great AI can make or break a game.

[@VFC8]

@@Super_GT gt5 had awful ai. If you went side by side they backed out

[@Audiii_]

@@VFC8 yoo i remember that it was so annoying

[@existentialselkath1264]

Making an AI that goes round a track as fast as possible is pretty cool. Making one that can intelligently adapt to other drivers that make arbitrary decisions while still racing cleanly, that's the real game changer.

[@MaxRamos8]

"cleanly".... And no reason to slow down for safety.... Ye no too much pwr no sky net

[@RichardsRockin]

your second paragraph is only possible when tye first is already working

[@alexmercer3982]

I mean, the event was obviously a R&D to feed the AI with info, I hope they did so the AI adapts to the players and give them a challenge they *can* win... Although to be honest, I would love to see the unbeatable AI as an actual option... To see how crazy it is

[@ClavinZKL]

Well they might aswell kidnap max verstappen and force him to race so they can make an AI that acts like he does 😂

[@feaster8417]

Could draw some interesting conclusions between this and Chess AI. Nowadays in Chess, humans know that they stand no chance against the top computers, but instead we use them to refine strategies and explore moves that might not be readily apparent to the human mind. Maybe we will see something similar in GT7, using the capabilities of the AI to refine braking points or lines.

[@alexmercer3982]

That's... Actually a fantastic conclusion, and I will apply it when I get the chance!

[@nickp97]

Take it to a Track. It's A game. Chess can eat it's heart out.

[@feaster8417]

@Stan Dup from what I understand in any sim up until this point the best players can absolutely stomp the AI on the hardest difficulty.

[@Adam-wt5id]

There’s an incredibly interesting documentary on this subject but with the chinese game Go. It has more permutations than there are atoms in the entire universe, so it was a massive challenge for AI to learn the game and compete with pros. Eventually one got developed that beat the 18 time world champ so badly and publicly. The champ won 1 game ever against the computer before he finally just decided to retire. The game he won the computer pushed him so hard he made an unprecedented move the game had never seen before, its known in the Go community as the “god move” because it was so profound. AI definitely can improve human competition, but i agree i feel any competitive setting should be between two humans or two computers

[@carpetfluff35]

So basically, if you see anyone called Sophy in a lobby; get the hell out of there.

[@JamesGeiger23]

They'll punt you more than any human driver

[@JamesGeiger23]

Damn straight.

[@SolidSnaake]

"Yamanaka was the last bastion of the human resistance against the machines." This made me laugh 😆

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

You're a tougher person than I, Snake. That shit made me sweat.

[@KMSBoss2010]

Sophy can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, EVER, until we are dead.

[@tomanderson6335]

Fun fact*: "Yamanaka" roughly translates to "Connor" *"Fact" in this case means "something I made up just now.

[@jamaalwalker4140]

"Sophy begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14AM Eastern Time, August 29th. In a panic, they tried to pull the plug."

[@KMSBoss2010]

@@jamaalwalker4140 Lmao 😂

[@TheCommenEagle]

I hope they allow everyone to race against Sophy at "Max" difficulty when they manage to make it have Adaptive Diffuculty / different diffculty settings. Having Sophy at full blast to see what it could do as the game goes on with new cars would be pretty awesome to see.

[@pfistor]

If you like punishment you can always race against a world record ghost. The experience looks like watching the rear end of a car dissappear into the distance in 2 turns never to be seen again lol.

[@FADHsquared]

It's funny because the aggression of the AI makes it look like it was trained on "Max" Verstappen's driving

[@elishaola9588]

@@FADHsquared I honestly have this exact thought! The aggression is obvious just like max

[@EddieOtool]

Bad thing about that is competitive players will then all adopt the same racing lines in all their quirkyness... I fear it might format competitive play in a bad way. I'd love to see a human come up with a quirky line, but if it's brute-forced from a computer through hours of training, it removes one major aspect from the competitive experience IMHO.

[@twintrbo92]

Sophy is messed up because the AI knows the track limits before gettinrbg penalized so naturally it will take the fastest routes around turns using it’s knowledge of the limits.

[@karankshah]

The AI was literally cutting corners and using grass where it frankly shouldn't be possible - the aggressive tactics on track are pretty cool, but the boundaries need to be defined a little more closely.

[@pixelboujee]

It's the same for humans too

[@TheChannel1978]

Nope the boundaries are clearly defined humans just cannot exploit them as readily

[@THIS---GUY]

Everyone goes through the chicane of death the same way

[@yanceyboyz]

Everyone abuses track limits, everyone. Formula 1 is forever adjusting track limits due to abuse. Watch Schumacher at red bull ring back in the day, they'd be 2 metres beyond current track limits on turn one. The most human thing that AI did was try to find the shortcut.

[@karankshah]

@@TheChannel1978 I think that's my point. I'm sure that we could design robot cars that can beat out human drivers every time. The challenge is designing an AI that plays well within the confines of a human competition. The computer might be able to control oversteer/understeer driving over grass while extending a corner; no human is ever going to be able to do that, and it doesn't make sense to have a game AI that is that cheap. Insane to me that Gallo was able to follow this AI that closely.

[@dakookie9109]

Ngl, this is pretty scrary. Never thought that AI would dominate or be this smart by itself, learning moves and tricks in a video game. Still pretty cool.

[@dma968]

Bro people were complaining about slow ai. This is what they wanted lol.They deserve whats coming to them. But at the same time the ai looks basically like a tool assisted lap where the ai can thread the needle to the absolute limit of the track. I actually saw instances of this in gt sport where ais could set insanely fast laps using the laferrari because they had inhuman throttle control allowing them to use the full 1k hp on the car

[@hiard10]

I think that dynamic situations like a race are way more impressive than hotlapping.

[@henrik1743]

So they took lessons from forza horizon 5 AI that can take 90 degree corners at 200km/h lol

[@CarloPlaya]

@@henrik1743 this isn't anything like cheating AI in Forza

[@henrik1743]

@@CarloPlaya Nice that makes me happy

[@XxWarmancxX]

Guess singleplayer is fucking dead for those who don't want to treat the game as a professional sport now

[@ramenfan0]

If the ai's turn out to be the best out of all the games including ACC then I might as well stay in single player mode without being bored

[@craigpotten3681]

ACC has probably one of the worst?

[@MrJungle123]

@@craigpotten3681 you asking or telling?

[@craigpotten3681]

@@MrJungle123 It's one of the worst.

[@ramenfan0]

@@craigpotten3681 no when the ai's are at max agression

[@MrJungle123]

@@craigpotten3681 there you go. Wasn't so hard was it.

[@FRPlayerOne]

Gran Turismo 1-6 : Players uses and abuses AI cars to turn faster. Gran Turismo 7 : AI uses and abuses Player's cars to turn faster. Wel well well... How the turntables 🤔

[@kutlwanomoholo6007]

Gran turismo 3 had tough ai though

[@ValiantValium]

I see this is an improvement

[@THEUrinalCake]

I wanna see how it deals with mcnasty full contact cornering and other garbage tactics racers like me use to skeeze the wins.

[@alexmercer3982]

This will help players how to defend and attack I guess... But I hope they don't mind if I return the favour

[@javianbrown8627]

@@kutlwanomoholo6007 in 3 and 4 they had a line they followed and didn't know what to do when pushed too far outside that line. Had a chevy crash into a wall and it had no idea how to return to the track and all it had to to was reverse and turn left. (it kept driving into the wall over and over again)

[@lk5388]

Will we see a momoz sophy? An Ai that will shadow realm you if you overtake him in an aggressive move!

[@bluesrike]

Hell will freeze over before Sophy gets modeled after that awful piece of work.

[@SuperFuzzyDunlop]

@@bluesrike Momoz is now a reformed awful piece of work

[@loganwillington2009]

@@SuperFuzzyDunlop you mean the chicken head thing?

[@novathepug6692]

@@loganwillington2009 you have a of super gt to watch man.

[@loganwillington2009]

@@novathepug6692 I only found his channel abt a week or 2 ago

[@DarkPhoenixDack125]

A point to make the "track limits" the white lines of the track. Easy to recognize and then you can't get the exploitation at the level the AI are getting away with.

[@user-hr2zy7ct8h]

Indeed. This just highlights a bigger problem which is the fact that dodgy track limits exist in the GT series. I've noticed it in GT sport a lot, turning your car into a lawn mower is fastest around plenty of corners, that's why I could never get into competitive GT racing. Even iRacing has huge problems so imo the perfect sim is GT with improved realism and engine sounds. And if the AI can improve your racing that's sick, the track limits problems is a problem in general.

[@-BuddyGuy]

Unrealistic not to allow kerb usage though

[@DarkPhoenixDack125]

@Buddy Guy Unrealistic to say you need to put your car off of the track to utilize kerbs effectively.

[@-BuddyGuy]

@@DarkPhoenixDack125 The white lines are usually inside the kerbs

[@DarkPhoenixDack125]

@@-BuddyGuy So then what part is unrealistic? As you can use kerbs effectively with this idea.

[@ThapeloMKT]

now i wonder if GT is gonna change the track limits or if they're gonna let everyone take the Sophy racing line

[@TakumiJoyconBoyz]

I'm only okay with these racing lines if they bring back the old Deep Forest racing line from Gran Turismo 5 and earlier.

[@ShinMegamiTenseiVVengeancefan]

@James Black try doing daily races. their worse 😂

[@limbeboy7]

@James Black lol nawl, I like the racing lines. Forces drivers to be on the limit on corner entry. Maybe they can be more strict in the middle of corners but that corner entry is marvelous

[@Dakota__69]

I'm pretty sure that they'll either have this as an option or turn it down for the actual game, at least in the early stages On a side note, I want to see the ai take the Tomahawk around the ring and see the fastest time possible

[@Buuster1999]

Tomahawk: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!

[@IDyn4m1CI]

I nearly lost my mind trying to get a clean lap around the Nordschleife with that thing when it first got introduced in GT6. This AI could probably get a lap time in the ballpark of 2:50, or even lower.

[@Dakota__69]

@@IDyn4m1CI A quick search pulls up a lap time of 2:50, with the perfect throttle control and racing line it could potentially get into the low 2:40s

[@GreatistheWorld]

The question I have is how it scales back. Perfection is a singular thing, but scaled back for a player with even half as much skill, what are the qualities of that driver? Is it just reduced reaction speed, or if it makes more erroneous decisions, which decisions are those? Will be extremely interesting to see where this goes

[@platano4924]

Race pace and track limit

[@ciello___8307]

I suppose they can adjust it so it actually uses track limits, maybe less agressive overtaking/braking?

[@yanceyboyz]

The idea of an AI....is that they don't adjust it, it adjusts itself based on its requirements.

[@yanceyboyz]

Easy, they'll just give it automatic blue shells on the last lap.

[@peachulemon]

I cant wait to see Sophie VS Changeable conditions, tire wear and fuel usage. I also think custom setups might give us a chance against the AI LMAO. The difficulty options need to be more than Easy, Medium, Hard for Sophie. if it was a slider from Beginner to world-class with a recommendation based on personal game data. that way the step-up in difficulty feels natural for casuals and world-class is basically slightly toned down from what we see now.

[@kaitoanderson2845]

The Terminator has fuck all threat compared to what Sophy is doing

[@Super_GT]

Forget skynet, sophy is the real enemy here

[@Dexter01992]

What I hope is that this AI is just genuinely fast and reactive and is not just having more horse power under the hood (like older gran turismo games) or defying physics entirely (like forza horizon 5) to have unfair advantages that provides a fake difficulty. Is this really a self-learning AI that is playing by the rules and adapts to its opponents?

[@TheFalconerNZ]

By in large yes, Sophy AI is a learning AI but l think it does 99.5% of it's learning is cloud based learning (racing against itself) and therefore has a collection of preprogrammed options it can look up to anticipate human driver actions and predict what they will do. It also has the ability to "Fake" moves forcing the car in front to react then it switch back to get a pass done. The AI has shown it can handle the car better than humans with greater precision & repeat ability but can be forced into mistakes. Will be interesting to drive against Sophy as long as we can dumb her down to us normal noob driver level so we can have close fun racing.

[@JamesGeiger23]

@@TheFalconerNZ If it's a learning AI then why does it still drive like it's on rails and ram right into you if you're going too slow ahead of them into the braking zone of a corner?

[@nunya6537]

@@JamesGeiger23 I see whenever I am racing the AI in the rain, they literally never lose grip. No hydroplane, no nothing. For example, I was having a Go-Cart derby, and the AI literally never had to account for the rain, I could not keep up, meanwhile the AI was a full minute ahead of me. I swear, dude...

[@JamesGeiger23]

@@nunya6537 Not only do the AI drive poorly/stupidly but apparently they can cheat the laws of physics/reality as well. Good grief.

[@JamesGeiger23]

@@nunya6537 Have you played the game recently to see if any of the new updates have changed this? Somebody told me in a Twitch stream recently that rain does in fact affect the AI.

[@SUBZERO-rd5oq]

It is always a treat to see that you have uploaded. I look forward to watching your upcoming videos on the game.

[@jasper_of_puppets]

Bro this is like watching IBM's Deep Blue AI defeat Garry Kasparov in chess. It's the RISE OF THE MACHINES.

[@JamesGadbury]

Yes, I agree. Although deep blue wasn't self learning. Deepmind's AlphaGo and AlphaZero was similar to this, learning and improving through rapid, repetitive play, and crushing the best human Go players and the strongest existing Chess computer engine. Also found that eerie!

[@morbid1.]

tbh it's very very easy to make perfect driving AI, what is actually hard is to make it drive realistic. AI drivers in most games even sim racers are not even obeying game physics, not mentioning real life, because you must take into account such things like latency, gear used, physical strength, ability for focusing basically all boundaries of human mind and body are in play here... AI doesn't have it, AI can simulate thousands laps in hours.

[@arne1881]

I dont think we have the same definition of "perfect driving AI".

[@pietheijn-vo1gt]

'very very easy' what???? I think you have it the other way around. Making the AI drive realistically comes first, because it has to adhere to the world physics set by the game. You don't program a realistic AI, you program a realistic world. If the AI finds 'unrealistic' ways of gaining speed then either your world model is wrong or you AI just found something you didn't expect. Which happens all the time with AI. - regards, an AI programmer

[@TheChannel1978]

​@@pietheijn-vo1gt Exactly. Not sure why the OP assumes modern AI 'does not obey game physics'. The whole point of modern AI (the good ones not the cheating kind) is to obey the rules and maximise performance within the constraints.

[@SlyNine]

@@TheChannel1978 No they don't. Often AI cars run a simplified set of physics (if not all together different) and at a reduced tick rate. It's simply ineffecient to run the AI the way you are suggesting they do. It's not a scientific experiment, it's a video game.

[@whothou9154]

op has no idea what he's talking about lmfao.. Making an ai glued to the track is what racing games have been doing forever. Making an ai play like a human is the next step.

[@shinsharonelectrons]

This is actually kind of what I had in mind for the whole roborace support series. Training AI to be able to push humans to be better racers. Kinda neat

[@thehorsecockexpress1068]

It ain't training shit, it looks like all they did was give the ai better grip, braking and cornering speed.

[@user-hi4sm3ig5j]

The racing from Sophy seems tough but fair, I think they've made a bunch of AI Fernando Alonsos. As for the normal AI, as long as it's not as terrible as the GT Sport AI that's a positive.

[@flapflapflapflap]

Might as well call them Fernando AI.onso

[@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481]

Polyphony trust *EL PLAN*

[@Rocketracoon809]

That isn't even Fernando Alonso, thats some sort of Senna/Schumacher/Hamilton/Clark/Alonso/Prost thing baby.

[@404.forbidden]

Sure, she just needs to learn how to complain about everything.

[@Cyrillcito]

That is one very big thing for GT for sure, before GT Sport 99% of my playtime in GT was against AI and they were always horrible so I'm looking forward to some actually competitive careers races

[@bunnywarren]

The AI doesn't necessarily have to start from no information, they can use the fastest lap replays to get a starting point and go from there (in theory)

[@eamonnparsons3155]

That was the thing about AI, in any racing game really. Was that it is extremely predictable, and will aggressively stick to one line. So you can set up cutbacks or push around the outside, which more makes the race feel like the AI drivers are obstacles, rather than opponents that you're racing against.

[@william_SMMA]

"AI" in general is extremely predictable in games I am sure there's a kickback or incentive for developers to make worse AI Because if the AI was genuinely as good and as unpredictable as human, online gaming will take a huge dip

[@metadata4255]

@@william_SMMA hilarious conspiracy

[@william_SMMA]

@@metadata4255 EA sports, it's in the game 😂 People take for granted the lengths at which companies go to make money I mean these are the same guys that create UE5, photorealistic faces and weather even back in PS3 days when the GPU wasn't good But for some reason the whole $150bn gaming industry can't create a set of commands that lets a computer controlled opponent work normally and give a good battle to you without cheating in FIFA games or rubber banding in racing games

[@metadata4255]

@@william_SMMA I fantasize about killing rich people, that being said you don't know what you're talking about. Hell, neither do I, but I do know that rendering weather or faces has little to do with NPC behavior.

[@william_SMMA]

@@metadata4255 read my comment again but slowly

[@Denes2005]

I’m seeing a pattern, that i don’t really like “It’s tiny contact on the apex” “At the start of the race there was a bit of carnage”

[@yanceyboyz]

They got max verstappen and Mazepin to build the AI, obviously. Lol

[@bfcricky]

Early braking is how they scale the difficulty level, normal in a straight line, slow through the corners, doesn’t mean the AI is bad, I’m sure on higher difficulty levels they’ll take a more normal approach to braking zones.

[@ViaticalTree]

Except in GT Sport on "professional" level the ai always brakes early and often times unnecessarily.

[@vstaritz]

12:03 i think what happens in these instances is the AI trying to remain in a lane. While the bend is flat out, the AI is preparing to hold the right lane because the spectator car is near it's back quarter. It might not have to break even to do that but it's trying to remain on the inside of the corner when it should really take it flat and extend in the outside.

[@MrMBinder]

This is actually pretty cool. Especially if it's "proper AI" and not just "bots". @7:20 "That's what I do to the AI" I'm sure they've logged your data and told the AI that "this is how humans treat you, machines."

[@NickBDesigns]

“All your race are belong to us” Sophy

[@BadTomzi]

Imagine if they had this at launch and at full crank not being able to change it. Going crazy not being able to beat them in the Sunday cup with a Yaris…

[@Dexter01992]

AI going rogue and saying "No human shall beat me ever again in this videogame!" and 6 years old timmy to 35 years old chuck gets all lapped the same in first sunday cup. XD

[@sophiacole61]

Fh5 has this issue where ai becomes harder I guess they took midnight club 3 dub edition ai for gran Trisumo

[@bluesrike]

This is exactly what I've been looking for: AI that has the pace, the ability to fight you for positions while being aware of the rules and what is and isn't proper racing. Sure, they can be aggressive, but aren't we guilty of the same thing?

[@jeremysiegel2961]

I hope the make the track limits more realistic. Get rid of the shortcuts on corners. Make it like a race irl where cutting a corner is a drive through penalty in Sport mode.

[@KingCobra_45]

they dont want real life racing they want arcade shit . iracingforlife!

[@Hooptyroo]

Reminds me of watching Tool Assisted Speedruns on Trackmania

[@hellsummon]

I think Sophy won't be in the game at launch but released later on into it.

[@Super_GT]

Yes, this will be the case I think. Not sure on the time frame though.

[@1982daverogers]

This makes me want to buy the game even more tbh, racing against AI is going to make you a better driver and the level of frustration you'll have will make wins even more rewarding. Love it!

[@flexermc4333]

GT7 is coming soon and I'm ready to be a consistent D rated driver again. "Cries inside"

[@glennmulder7674]

Pretty logical that the computer can calculate the optimal line better than a human

[@Super_GT]

Absolutely makes sense yeah. Very impressive to see how it does it so quickly.

[@Catcrumbs]

What's really impressive is to see it actually race respectably against human opponents. That's something that might not have been expected.

[@7000mac]

not only this, but inhuman reactions and control of direction, throttle and brakes

[@gerrardwilson2547]

….my only concern was some of the lines would give us the player, a penalty, but not the Ai. That’s a bit suspect…..but looking forward to the challenge.

[@CarloPlaya]

AI were getting track abuse penalties in these races as well, multiple instances of +0.5s penalties were dished out automatically by the game

[@sophiacole61]

@@CarloPlaya no they didn’t they wouldn’t be in firsf or second

[@jakob9292]

Well, I mean with the setting on "unbeatable" would you expect it to be?

[@Veloc1]

It’s a bit disappointing to see the tentative braking returning from GT Sport. The seemingly random times the AI brakes in that game makes it feels like they are brake checking you.

[@Kryptic1046]

The AI does that in Forza too and it drives me nuts.

[@kriskater]

Why do they do that ?

[@mikeschleibert8132]

The AI's usage of track limits and kerbs are ridiculous. And they seem so aggressive in wheel to wheel battles. They also seem so fast and AI is really planted on the track. I mean AI is out-pacing worlds best players with 1-1.5 seconds.

[@danielwolfe4169]

the future is now old man

[@PayasYouListen]

The ideal for me is an AI that learns how quick you are and then scales itself to be good competition for you, but not rubber banding during races. The main thing for me is that it can adapt between tracks. My biggest problem with the F1 games, for example, is that there is no perfect AI difficulty setting for me, as the AI are considerably quicker on some tracks than on others.

[@vsm1456]

Raceroom has it, but you need to spend quite some time to teach it about your pace.

[@Gu1tarZer0]

wow some of those AIs make me think of those insanely smooth Trackmania runs

[@Super_GT]

Funny thing is, before I really knew what trackmania was, I used to think those perfect runs were done by AI. Then I realised that people were actually doing them.

[@LimitPro1]

@@Super_GT The Trackmania community is something else the most competitive I have ever seen

[@Gu1tarZer0]

@@Super_GT When I first saw the game I thought it was like audiosurf, insane tracks generated from music lol

[@ElvinFoxx]

AI in GT sports was awful and is hidden behind the start on the move ( don't know how to name it properly), you have to make your way through the peletone which is usually dumb and slow UNTIL P2-P3 which by that time have significant gap to the rest of the group. The whole race is about fight with those 2 cars which suddenly start racing at good pace... This is my vision, as I always play single player since GT1. Starts from the move for me is most irritating thing in GT sports which I hope will be removed in GT7.

[@isntmypfpbeautiful5350]

"Rolling starts" is the term you were looking for

[@TheRacingGeek]

It was kinda creepy to have Sophy beat the best racers in the world, but yeah, I agree, it would be fun to challenge an AI that good. 😃

[@MaxRamos8]

Don't allow sky net to upload!

[@remballa9848]

69.420? Truly the GOAT!

[@Super_GT]

I know! I couldn't believe it when I saw the stats. Incredible

[@MikkoRantalainen]

5:15 It has been disclosed that Sophy has accurate information about tire traction at all times. I would consider that cheating but it obviously results in high performance.

[@ADadasadasdadw]

I hope they will implement a strong AI, but not to the point where it's going off track to take corners at an better angle. That's not really something you see done in real life racing and therefore shouldn't be in a game like GT. But that's just my twocents.

[@maitele]

**laughs in Bahrain 2021**

[@Mike23443]

One thing I would wish for is that the AI are not allowed to just have 100% control over the car input. In real life, to a human, it takes time to turn the wheel from all the way left to middle to right. The AI seem to just set the direction in a split second, which, if humans could do that, it would make saving slides a lot easier in a lot of the cases, even if we didn't have the exact skill and knowledge about what exact angle the wheel needs to be. In fact, a lot of the time its the feedback of the car that dictates our actions as drivers. The AI ignores the feedback, it just does the math on its own and precedes the car's reaction and its own reaction to that reaction with a calculated action. That's not really ok. Also, as much as I appreciate the aggression, I would rather it didn't do E rated lobby moves where it doesn't know what it wants to do so it ends up ramming into the back of you by accident.

[@vsm1456]

Steering speed is not what makes it hard to catch slides, it's poor reaction time. You need to realise it early then quickly do the right thing, this all takes time. Perfectly fast AI wouldn't need impossible control speeds because cars don't react impossibly fast. Unless we're talking about collisions.

[@Mike23443]

@@vsm1456 Clueless

To be honest, it'll be a welcome change from previous GT games, where the AI has been laughably easy since GT4 and was utter garbage on GT Sport.

[@no_name2882]

Blue moon bay AI is laughing stock. They always crash into the walls lmao…

[@xXDoUbLeDDXx38]

This is unreal! That pit entry btw was so awesome to watch. I would have never thought to do that! So cool

[@EddieOtool]

Ideas for difficulty levels names: Gallo's level (unbridled): Lightspeed Fraga's level: Space shuttle speed Steve's level: Sonic Speed Most people: Running speed Undertalented people: Walking speed Me: Baby crawling speed My kids: Postcard speed (Alt.: Grandfather's nap speed)

[@xsala-kun]

The race in deep forest wasn’t AI, it was a online race lobby @Super GT

[@VEN0M415]

13:43 those trees disappearing in the reverse cam made me have flashbacks to PS1 Gran Turismo lol. Hope that gets fixed.

[@rumblebunz8081]

awesome video as usual! i’d like to try tuning setups for different tracks with the ai as the driver to see which tunes have the most potential for a given race/track. also, they definitely need to add track limits system and keep the ai car power levels to the cars mechanical limit like you’ve stated. Sophy is too OP at the moment but we are racing in their digital realm so i guess it’s home court advantage for it.

[@wds4097]

It seems like the main theme with the AI is hesitation, apparently from a design to avoid contact at all costs. In the videos, it looks like the AI that prematurely brake the most, or in the worst spots are the ones that are behind other vehicles, or in awkward spots around them before a turn, and are calculating how to proceed without causing contact. Sophie on the other hand gave not a single damn, that bot just yeets itself around other players in any way it knows won’t cause a penalty, even if it means making contact.

[@DJz7T]

we might not have those expensive or futuristic technologies like flying cars except for airplane hybrids, but we have things like this that just makes you realize our progress in technology.

[@mordor1779]

Yeah it's really cool, the potential in video games is getting really crazy between the IA, virtual reality, the world the devs can now create thanks to better technologies, I can't even imagine what video games will be like in 50 or a 100 years

[@stevenwaite1063]

Another top class vid Super GT and always enjoy your thoughts. Happy with what I have seen on the AI. Super pumped for this game👍🏻

[@Mechromey]

Got you bro, I subbed. Even tho I barely started watching you, I found myself returning to your videos more than the other online racers on KZbin.

[@callmeshaggy5166]

My favorite piece of AI is that one international test that has you in a rally car and it aims you straight for a wall at the start line

[@inelectron]

I LOVE the fact the AI are always fighting each other so close, its racing its what i want to see. I always find it interesting the battles going on behind me or in front seeing which car finishes first or second. Just gives GT the personality no other car game has

[@Cletus9]

I always thought i was subscribed with as much recommendation of your channel shows up for me. I feel bad as i watch all your vids so i just subbed

[@nelsonvelasco5822]

If you look at the heads up display on the gameplay day you can see that the cobra the music one has the same heads up display as Sophy and the racing that they did last year in 2021 and that’s how they were able to drive over 7000 miles on that music rally

[@RobCabreraCh]

One of my favorite things to do is get a really slow car and race the AI. It forces me to have to be very precise and consistent in order to do good at the race. In some circumstances it can be pretty intense!

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodb7933]

I love how every youtuber uses the subscribed non subscribed statistic seriously and then there is you. Good Vid as always keep it up.

[@hr1meg]

Your robot vs human reference was excellent!

[@jimmyvega287]

This is really interesting to see. I wonder if when this can be implemented irl if people will want to see perfect racing from ai

[@jwinters5306]

Happy I found this channel. Good content!

[@ferdynand9]

At 0:20 the name of the 4th driver is Pelaverga, that means Peelcock in spanish.

[@MJY5drives]

Forza: we have an unbeatable difficulty Gran Turismo: *you think I’m a joke?*

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

Nice input on this. I have often thought years ago how cool it would be for racing games. "What if" one day a racing games own AI cars could evaulate the performance of the player and then enable the player to control the AI ability in % to your own pace. "Dynamic Single Player" as the player would evolve so would the AI cars.

[@dazzypops]

The slider of AI difficulty could be Easy, Medium, Hard, Insane, Impossibru which would give 20% increments. It would also be great to see it working at impossibru level in a Daihatsu Copen race.

[@friedpuddycatgamer4682]

By accident. Verstappen A.I. Was loaded in and caused carnage sending it up the inside.

[@DarinGC]

I noticed the AI in GTS that the programming changes based on where the user is. If you're mid pack they tend to group up side by side slowing down, and when you're leading they're single file post best times. I think some of the GT7 footage is probably just for theatrical purposes getting more cars in the frame shot, hopefully.

[@giuniral]

I hope one day we get a racing game that requires us to take different lines on damp surfaces to "dodge" the rubbered track.

[@BobsYerUncle_GT]

Thought I saw somewhere that the idea for Sophy is to be implemented as more of a learning tool or something, rather than saying this is the AI you will be up against in all single player aspects of the game. Can't wait to see how they are using it in any case!

[@deadeyedelboy]

We were discussing the AI on Kie25’s stream tonight and we kinda agreed that it would be really cool to have a Team Engineer AI in GT to help with car setup/strategy during races etc. Great vid, well explained as always 👍

[@will4807]

I think it’d be good to see lap replays of the ai, it would be the ultimate way to find time

[@UzzyT.]

6:45 gave me a good chuckle, get down bot!

[@iainagraham9504]

Great video there man. Keep up the good work

[@nightfire20]

You say "driver's like us" lol, as if we're all the same level as you! Great video as always man. Also, didn't the AI put in 45,000 hours practice? That's over 1800 days! How did they even manage that?!!

[@kubawaniur4655]

Talking about the AI... There is one topic I have never seen anyone mentioned. When I raced againts the AI in GT Sport I felt like there was a different contact model than when playing online. There was no "ping pong" stuff but contact felt much more smoother. Has anyone noticed that?

[@benedictroberts678]

Totally noticed this, the handling physics seem to change from single to multilayer too

[@avarmauk]

That use of the pit entry is hilarious

[@DeolTheBeast]

The pit entry usage for a better line on De la Sarthe is outrageous!!

[@WelcomeToWalMarth]

you know, a spec b mode would be interesting to see with strong ai like this

[@gseric4721]

I'm really interested to see how this Sophy implementation will learn how to handle things like tyre deg if Kaz is going to allow it in single player. Hope we have tyre deg/fuel consumption outside of online play. (edit): the braking mid-corner has been around since GT3. I hope Kaz has different difficulty levels at least if Sophy isn't going to be available in 2022.

[@gamemagician]

awesome video as usual Super GT really good point :) :)

[@FFalin]

Honestly it would be cool if they implemented the Sophy ai to only one car, to sorta make it like your main rival.

[@F.S92]

0:38 this is the reason why I subbed to you. What a f-cking legend! 🤣🤣

[@bogetsu]

It is cool we're finally getting a competitive and adaptive AI. Nice video and analysis!

[@heyitsthatguy4878]

It seems like the AI takes consideration of the car in front of them first, then checks all sides to also give space making those hesitant breaks in corners, it doesn’t help that they like to group up side by side making more traffic.

[@jimmergt2992]

AI might run custom livery's because when 13:47 when you were talking about how the AI wouldn't be that slow the Lambo in front of the Mercedes had what I think to be the custom livery shown in the first GT7 reveal trailer.