We Need To Talk About The Flood in Halo Infinite's Campaign (And Their Future)

[@HiddenXperia]

Kept ya waiting huh?

[@Luke_SkyWalker2187]

“It’s been 84 years “

[@Ghostman223]

Yes

[@slickcalf985]

Spoilers?

[@gnarkilleptic4871]

hmm I havent finished the game so kinda wishing I didnt see this on my KZbin front page. smh

[@boydlateef1282]

Nice Mg5 reference 🤗🤗🤗

[@daklr2501]

The ESRB allows DLCs to be rated separately from the base game, so we could feasibly have an M rated flood DLC down the line and halo infinite could keep it's lucrative T rating for the base game.

[@HiddenXperia]

Huh, that's interesting I actually didn't know that!

[@devincoleman4105]

That’s good to know. I was afraid the rating of the game would be the biggest thing holding the inclusion of the flood from ever being introduced.

[@rexxsaur]

Very interesting info, never knew that

[@akramirez]

I assumed it was the opposite due to how all the mii costumes for M rated game characters in Smash Ultimate used the character's names instead of the series' name in US trailers except for Persona because that series got a playable character.

[@ironindustries9258]

that's actually great news

[@FoxyGrandpa1]

They'll be DLC for sure. 343 and Microsoft both know how hyped people will be when it's announced. As far as the M Rating stuff goes, we saw 1 room full of blood during the campaign. I call it the "Blood Room". I believe it was in the second level. If they did it in Halo Wars 2, they'll do it for Infinite.

[@dieselface1]

Also I'm pretty sure a DLC can have a different rating the the base game. For example, Total War Rome II had a T rating and then they launched a Blood and Gore DLC which had an M rating.

[@jasonitbzhao6173]

there's already leacked dlc apparently called the endless soooooo

[@Donnie_Oculus]

this campaign is = to destiny 1 in terms of a satisfying ending and i doubt any free updates are coming to it, so get ready to pay for every little piece of this barebones corpse of a franchise.

[@drdelicious7968]

@@Donnie_Oculus fuck 343

[@RoachCatJr]

it was actually a total of 2 super bloody rooms throughout the campaign.

[@710_ghost5]

The biggest hint to the flood being on the ring, personally, is when Despondent Pyre literally states to Cortana that the containment facility is protected, then Cortana goes on to state that the flood is not what she is after and that there are worse things than the flood that she is after.

[@stellathefoxgirl3648]

Plus there’s the place of pain on the ring, an old forerunner flood facility where they used to hold the first gravemind

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

Despite everyone hating Evil Cortana, they sure love to take her off-handed comments as gospel. What could be worse than the Flood? No really, what could be worse? We dont know, but the Forerunners thought they knew so hard they deployed Offensive Bias on the Endless. Stop overreacting to that one line. Wait and see what they actually mean. Think of it like Marvel, Thanos may be a pretty serious threat, but he is nothing compared to the First Firmament.

[@Carpediem357]

@@jakespacepiratee3740 What’s worse than the flood? The primordial, Mendicant Bias, Precursors and now possible the Endless.

[@Churrb]

@@Carpediem357 literally the first 3 things you said were part of the flood and or “allied” with them

[@Carpediem357]

@@Churrb yes but no. Mendicant was and the Primordial was part Precursor and Flood, the Precursors aren’t allied with the flood even though they are the flood their classified as 2 different species.

[@JimankyGaming]

No, I don’t believe the Endless are “immune” to the effects of the ring in the way most people think. At the end of Halo infinite, Chief and the Weapon are thrown 3 days into the future by a gate they don’t understand. I believe the Endless use time jumping as a way to circumvent the Halo blast radius. Essentially they hop forward in time to avoid a halo that has fired - totally avoiding its effects all together. The ring can’t kill you if you no longer exist at the time it fired.

[@charliezen9121]

Great theory!

[@weapy4518]

Nice one

[@tylerfrench9060]

Which would make them perfect hosts for the flood, ultimately making them unstoppable

[@miker292]

Problem: The gate is Forerunner in origin and Chief is actively at odds with the Endless. It couldn't be the Harbinger, as she's dead and on the floor before the gate opens. If it was an Endless gate, it makes no sense for them to make one for Chief or Harbinger's escape, given her final transmission informed whoever was on the other side that she was dying and they needed to avenge her. Offensive Bias was put on the Ring to help learn the Endless' secrets, maybe it's possible they learned how to affect time? Unlikely, considering sending Chief forward 3 days actively harms Forerunner directive of keeping them contained.

[@tylerfrench9060]

@@miker292 well as you said, offensive bias was sent to learn about the endless and we can assume that this gate is technology which they may have learned to use, also considering the intelligence that offensive bias has they would know that chief would be an asset to dealing with the endless and as the sequence for their release has already begun, if that was the only way to keep chief alive then they would use it, another reference to them being able to control time would be in the legendary ending when it was stated that they cannot allow time to be their ally or something like that

[@happyhammer1]

I totally agree that the Endless will probably use the Flood. Though I imagine it will go wrong with the endless having underestimated the intelligence of a gravemind in their hubris. I also imagine that the UNSC and The Banished will form an uneasy temporary alliance to stop both of them. And afterwards at the end of this story line it will be Atriox vs MC rematch. Where they both challenge each others goals and motivations. Making it more ambiguous than good vs evil. Speculation is always fun.

[@shangothunder1055]

Nah the new baddies are just simply the Endless.

[@happyhammer1]

@@shangothunder1055 I would be fine with that.

[@netweed09]

Flood could evolve themselves aswell. I mean, they start of basic but like any Virus they look to find new shielding's and protection. They have the numbers, the Endless are strong but can be totally screwed over using E-jammer devices that are clearly used and are part of HI's weapons inventory. Lots of potential

[@SirTayluh]

I only don't like this because it seems like it's just copy pasting the original trilogy plot

[@onethousandvoices8626]

@@shangothunder1055 I think it might go how it went in Spartan ops with Jul’ Mdama taking over the promethians along with his covenant after the didactic was killed. I think Atriox, as seen at the end of Halo infinite when he was releasing the endless, will take control of both armies, but the harbingers second in command, whoever that might be, will be the speaker for the endless and will carry out the harbingers plan with the flood behind atriox back

[@ImmortalSoldier94]

Here's my two cents. The endless themselves were never a threat itself. The forerunners locked them away because if the flood ever got their hands on that species, they could survive the firing of the Halo arrays by breeding them

[@Aggravated_brain9344]

I had that same thought, because I was so confused as to why them surviving was deemed dangerous and punishable

[@somebody7205]

Isn't there a similar story of a forerunner's "Mine" that was basically baiting the flood so they won't look the the planets wildlife that has high resistance to hazardous environments? I think it was included in his "favorite flood stories" or a title similar to that That can be their excuse to imprison them

[@reddishcarp1237]

Nah, the Endless were imprisoned for a crime they didn't commit & endangering their truths (i.e. their claim to the mantle & their genocide of the Precursors), there's clearly more to them being considered a threat than "the Flood can infect them".

[@_NutcasE_]

they were imprisoned because 343's eternal quest to make Forerunners dicks. Gone are the lifeloving civilization that had to use the rings as a last ditch effort to stop an unstoppable parasite. In are the Fascist empire that seek control.

[@kylemarchbanks2748]

@Private117 during the final boss I had the harbinger tell me “I would have let you join us, but not anymore!” They don’t seem super villainous imo

[@V1CT1MIZED]

The infection form in the Cylix is also labelled as "Flood" in the game files.

[@Meteor2022]

I kinda wanna see you shut down some doubter with this. It'd be funny to watch 'em squirm.

[@FenrirBoi]

Wait, it is???

[@yeetneet5334]

@@FenrirBoi yes

[@ImmortalxSoul7]

Source: trust me bro

[@jeanmouloude]

@@ImmortalxSoul7 you can go through the game files too you know

[@xBOBOxFebreez]

the endless could just fire the halos without releasing the flood and it would be the exact same result with way less risk

[@henriconfucius5559]

They need to take control of the halos first, or at least take control of the ark

[@HiddenXperia]

That's true actually I didn't think of that haha

[@xBOBOxFebreez]

@@HiddenXperia sorry if it came across rude. Love your videos!

[@themasterseye]

@@HiddenXperia REspect for actually engaging in the conversation with counterpoints. Thats an instant sub from me.

[@toastybuns4life]

Would they not just send Chief to stop them firing the rings? With the flood on the loose it would reduce humanity's chances of that maybe. I'm still learning the lore, not sure how you strop the rings firing.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

In my eyes, Infinite basically opened up a myriad of amazing possibilities for the future of the storyline. Halo's future is looking quite bright.

[@darkySp]

They basically did a reboot, but tied it to the story. Clean slate.

[@supersaiyanzero386]

Very generalistic comment. The Justin Y clone.

[@lewis10599]

lmao

[@baconatorrodriguez4651]

Yeah, basically a reboot. And a better open world than Gears 5 at least lol

[@mithral8959]

How tf do you manage to watch and comment on such an insane variety of videos

[@samvimes9510]

My theory: the Endless aren't "more dangerous than the flood" in the sense that they're bloodthirsty killers, they're dangerous because of their time manipulation. More specifically, because of what they _know_ thanks to that. In the legendary ending cutscene, the Grand Edict says _"Today we do what it takes to maintain order. To preserve our truth."_ What is their order and truth? The mantle. They wiped out most of the Precursors so they could hold onto the mantle and impose their version of order on the galaxy. But if the Endless know the truth and if they're immune to the rings, it means when sentient life eventually arises again, the Endless can teach them the truth and the Prometheans won't have a bunch of blind followers. They might even be involved with the Precursors in some way, perhaps an extra-galactic species that came over with them. We know a few Precursors survived, and they had differing opinions about things (the Primordial being a sadist, for example). What if there was a Precursor who decided against humanity having the mantle, and wanted to give it to the Endless instead? That could be why they have the ability to manipulate time.

[@tatooine_dream]

of course they are 'involved with the precursors some how'. its essentially inevitable imo. they would certainly be a descendant or creation of the precursors

[@tatooine_dream]

if bungie push the endless outside those bounds i think its just silly

[@hunterhuff1054]

@@tatooine_dream 343*

[@tatooine_dream]

@@hunterhuff1054 my b lmao

[@AlbertusSalvatierra]

I’d assume that when Despondent Pyr referred to the Xalanyn as “dangerous,” perhaps it was in a more political sense. Since they survived Halo, and most likely questioned the Forerunners claim to the Mantle.

[@clintparsons3989]

This. Yes.

[@_NutcasE_]

Problem being that Pyre and Cortana talk about the Xalanyn as more dangerous than the flood. *while never needing to resort to a galaxy nuke to get rid of them* If they managed to capture them then clearly they are not as dangerous than a parasite that almost consumed the entire galaxy.

[@Yuki5342-b6p]

@@_NutcasE_ Yea. I didn't like the MORE dangerous part. A new danger sure but more? Doubt. The only way they could be more is if they can down right control the flood.

[@shantishan1172]

@@_NutcasE_ EXACTLY, DATS WAT I THOUGHT

[@reddishcarp1237]

@@_NutcasE_ Unless they're the Precursors

[@Real_Halo_MC]

Until we know more, I'm not convinced we can confidently say that the Endless are immune to the flood Praying for a flood DLC one day down the line though

[@sstimulants]

Am I the only one who thinks that would be suicide for 343 to write? I know the Halo community has been starved of Flood content in the campaigns for way too long, and we would do near enough anything for their return to the games... But that return coinciding with the Flood also being rendered far less intimidating and essentially just used as a device by another species which happens to be immune to them? The community may be happy with any Flood content at first, but I suspect in an extremely short amount of time that will turn into hostility at 343 for deciding that an entire race is in effect completely immune to Flood infection, and that the Flood now is little more than a weapon for a race that can essentially use flip the switch on them through the side effect free use (at least for the Endless) of Halo.

[@alphacraig2001]

@@sstimulants I don't think they are immune to the Flood, I think Hiddenxperia missed a big point in that because they are immune to the Halos, they would be the worst species for the Flood to possibly infect because the Flood would then become immune to the only thing that could stop them by extension of infection

[@WoodlandFops]

@@alphacraig2001 they can't infect them lol. There's no way at all. The most they could use the endless for is some extra biomass, they wouldn't immunize the flood from the rings.

[@sstimulants]

@@alphacraig2001 I think that the greatest (and only actual) hint that the Endless may be immune to the Flood comes solely from the Grand Edict. When he says 'We must preserve our truth', or whatever is it along those lines, you could interpret it as the truth of the Forerunners (that firing the Halos and exterminating all life left in the galaxy as the only way of stopping the Flood) would be threatened if you have a species out their that are immune to Flood infection. However I do still believe that 343 won't won't go way, and will likely simply settle for the Endless being a big threat because of their immunity to Halo risks a Flood that cant be stopped via Halo. I just think making a species immune to Flood infection would rack off a huge portion of the community, and be detrimental to any future use of the Flood as the big intimating threat. And I think deep down Xperia knows all this, and is largely just grasping at straws to try and come up with a reason we may see the Flood sooner (as in the next big Campaign DLC likely) rather than later (Such as two or three story DLCs down the line)... Just because he, like most Halo fans, wants the Flood back as soon as possible 🤷‍♂️

[@sstimulants]

@@WoodlandFops We have no real substantial evidence either way on whether the Endless are susceptible to Flood infection or not. We have no idea why or how the Endless are immune to Halo, and you cannot simply say that Endless immunity to Halo = Endless immunity to Flood. However whilst I can see why 343 may write it like that, I believe it would be fundamentally detrimental to the long term viability of the Flood as a valid threat in the Halo universe, and am boggled that Xperia, who loves the Flood, would honestly contemplate it... I fear its just Flood campaign content starvation driving him a little short sighted. If anything, I could see 343 choosing the Endless are immune to the Flood as a way of gradually diminishing the threat of the Flood to the point that no one really cares that the Flood aren't in every main stay Halo game 🤷‍♂️

[@ExplosiveBdawg]

Completely unrelated to the flood, but seeing how happy and cheerful and clean cut you are these days compared to even just a couple years back is insane and makes me incredibly proud of you. Keep up the good work Luc.

[@muscleman185]

I would love a realistic horror DLC where a marine who happens to be a reclaimer accidentally frees the flood and you see how truly horrifying it is when you’re not a spartan

[@LegiamasC-OnTwitta]

Every human is a reclaimer, in a sense at least

[@backroomsgettinmoney]

@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta yea but every human isnt a spartan

[@muscleman185]

@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta not every human is a reclaimer, in spartan ops halo 4 you see Elites gathering/killing marines looking for a reclaimer

[@Captianmex1C0]

@@muscleman185 Right but in halo 3 Literally any of the Humans will do For opening up the Artifacts

[@muscleman185]

@@Captianmex1C0 that’s for the ark tho right ? Rings could be different but I’m no halo expert

[@KJDekka]

I would absolutely LOVE if they did a Halo 2 type DLC where we get both The Banished and the UNSC’s perspective in a DLC and seeing how both sides would be affected physically and emotionally by a Flood outbreak, if it is a campaign DLC where we get multiple missions. Also I just want another reason to play as a Brute/Elite. If they did this I would freak out. Some people may hate split conflict but I just want to play as something other than a human. Be it a Brute Chieftain, an Elite General/Zealot (Can’t tell), or a damn grunt

[@BullFrogFace]

That would be cool but I’m 100% sure they wouldn’t do it because it seems like a large percentage of the fan base likes a one sided conflict and hated that halo 2 showed both sides

[@ThelVadam7777]

What if we played as a Skirmisher though? Like a murmillo spartan killer… That would be sick

[@kostasz1956]

@@BullFrogFace WHAT!? I have never seen anyone say that before. I have seen Halo fans have the most awful opinions in the past, but this takes the cake. Showing the two sides of the conflict in Halo 2 was what made the series interesting, and it made Halo 2 my favorite Halo campaign. Where did you read this?

[@CommissarChaotic]

also a more UNSC involved DLC at that, like have the military feel that Halo 2 and the beginning of Halo 3 gave with Lord Hood, Miranda Keyes, Sgt. Johnson there giving and acting out orders and stuff.

[@spacebacon7184]

@@kostasz1956 Moreso during the release of the classic Halo 2 . Not anything recently

[@michealmurphy8985]

Miss the flood the feeling of being overrun constantly was fun

[@Dukesparrow1999]

It really added a sense of both urgency and terror, like when it came to fighting the Covenant, you just ran in and blasted everyone away and occasionally took cover from enemy fire, whereas the Flood made you switch the mindset on how you fight which meant you needed to keep moving and blast them all and pray to God they don't overwhelm you

[@zergburger1861]

The moment I heard that they were making halo infinite a platform game to build off of, I knew we ain't getting flood right off the bat. They for sure are coming in a dlc and I cant wait

[@Donnie_Oculus]

this campaign is = to destiny 1 in terms of a satisfying ending and i doubt any free updates are coming to it, so get ready to pay for every little piece of this barebones corpse of a franchise.

[@Predator321]

@@Donnie_Oculus how many times are you going to copy and paste this comment? Lol

[@shangothunder1055]

Don't set yourself up for disappointment the Endless Cometh.

[@Donnie_Oculus]

@@Predator321 however many i feel like. if its bothering you, dont read them or something idrc.

[@zergburger1861]

@@shangothunder1055 let's be real, there is gonna be more than 1 dlc, surely the flood will eventually come.

[@BrickFilmsCinema]

I think it's pretty obvious there was some sort of interaction with the Xalanyn and the Gravemind on Delta halo, especially considering the outbreak on delta halo occurred just a little over 100 years after the legendary ending of halo infinite. I think they were the Meddlers that sabotaged Penitent Tangent and hacked the teleporters on cold storage.

[@nathansherrill5879]

I thought the Gravemind from Delta Halo was in High Charity when it arrived at the Ark. Wouldn't that mean it was destroyed when Installation 04's replacement was fired?

[@BrickFilmsCinema]

@@nathansherrill5879 Possibly! I'm not saying that that specific Gravemind is still alive, but that it obviously had an interaction with the Xalanyn nearly 100,000 years before, perhaps even some sort of truce or alliance.

[@spacecraftcarrier4135]

man, that would finally be a good reason as to how out of nowhere, a gravemind grew on Delta Halo and captured 2401, Penitent Tangent. Because the timing of the covenant's arrival on Delta Halo is too short for the Flood in the ring to had grown that fast. Unless the Endless were there to had sabotaged the process

[@zebfirehd9102]

@@spacecraftcarrier4135 still don't understand where the flood was getting food before the Covenant show up on Delta halo. if the flood had been around all that time but force into containment from the Sentinel walls and under constant attack by them where were the flood able to feast on all those years.

[@OniLink147]

I've been struggling to justify the Endless being "worse than the Flood" since hearing that line, but now I can buy it. If they are truly immune to the Flood, then I could see them being nightmarish.

[@adecentperson2929]

The scariest and most fascinating species of all of halo. Can’t wait for their return.

[@thehipinmyear]

I just hope there're ties to the Precursors being the Flood... and also, on that note, I hope to god that the Endless ARE the Precursors, or at the least, like many are speculating, a variant of them like the Flood. It would be yet another perfect way for the Precursors to give the Forerunners the finger, much like what they did with the Flood. Like, "yeah, ok we fucked shit up when we turned ourselves into the Flood, but now, we're ACTUALLY back, and don't have to reside in the form of a parasitic entity."

[@yfullman]

A reminder we still don't know what species "accidentally" freed the Flood on Delta Halo, apparently just a few centuries after the Array fired.

[@realfnneato3111]

"About 200 years prior to 2552, the Flood on Installation 05 escaped and evaded containment due to negligence on the part of the installation's Monitor, Penitent Tangent."

[@BoundlessPLYR]

@@realfnneato3111 negligence could be anything from letting them out, to fucking off and just not watching over the ring, Id hardly say that's an answer

[@commanderzavala9328]

Probably a civilization of an ancient species given all the ruins on the world and that there was enough biomass for a grave mind to form

[@y3l10wflash6]

What I want to know is when The Weapon says when ya find her "That was you wasn't it?(something like that & then).... Oh ok then" As if it was somebody that was like Master Chief....... An Imposter? Another Spartan? (The Weapon knew how the Master Chief looked so it had to be someone with the exact same armor) IMAGINE..... If Halsey wanted to replace Master Chief with a clone of HIMSELF..... and was successful. That would be INSANE!!! Or another Spartan impersonating him? Or Time Travel do hicky? Wow I now really want that as a Fan-Made Official Mod Campaign for Halo Infinite now

[@CODsauceify]

So one thing that stood out to me was the end cutscene showing the "Endless" cylixes and how it has this yellow haze surrounding the room and little floaty specks or spore clouds? This seems to be indicative of Flood presence. Remember the end of Halo 2 we see similar glimpses of dust just before we get a shot of the graveminds appendages. The cutscene even tracked one for a bit. I think the cylixes are containing the Flood dust of either (un)corrupted Precursor/Endless dust. Hard to say what it is but the atmosphere feels similar. Maybe the gravemind is trying to release itself on the ring from imprisonment, using a catelogued species as a proxy/puppet to set things forward. Hence the parallel of the gravemind and harbingers dialogue.

[@zulerisgaming8523]

So the ending of halo 2 didn't show dust that was a supposed to be a flood super cell they float around in flood infested location and infect things that breathe them in.

[@goudagramps3719]

This takes listening through rock and metal and time to a new level

[@danieldeniet8824]

Ok, wild thought coming in. What if later on in infinite's story when the endless are introduced and they pose a galactic threat, the only way the endless could be defeated would be to put one galactic threat(the endless)against another(the flood). The forerunners would know this and thats why they put the flood in a cylix so that any future species would be able to counter the endless. Keep in mind this would be a last resort option. Wild thought ends here.

[@CritStanley]

Ooo, I like it!

[@danieldeniet8824]

@@CritStanley would be cool to sort of team up with the flood in a twisted kind of way. To take out a common enemy just like in halo 3 when takin out truth.

[@ssjjshawn]

@@danieldeniet8824 Also possiblw it would happen. After all, the entire gambit by the Flood since the end of the Human - Forerunner War was to set up Humanity to be in a position to be tested and to inherit the Mantle. Having another race, seemingly worse than the Forerunners doing the exact same thing as they did priorly, it may have the Gravemind once more intervening to keep Humanity around for their test.

[@danieldeniet8824]

@@ssjjshawn i like where your heads at

[@Capt_Dango]

Only thing that confuses me is when Chief first meets the Harbinger, she goes "We are not enemies"....then proceeds to launch Chief through a tree.

[@connorreed5411]

I really hope if and when they do bring the flood back it will be just like how Bungie did them, and not dumbed down because of the teen rating. Seeing all their disgusting features is one of the things that makes them so terrifying.

[@hiddendesire3076]

I mean the T rating doesn’t mean much from what i’ve seen. We got a spartan who killed enemies with a screwdriver, cursing, and even Glibsnub referencing another grunt jacking it into MREs to give marines an extra spicy meal. Yes, that last one is a broadcast you can hear on the towers.

[@shangothunder1055]

Oh it will definitely be dumbed down you can bet on that.

[@madflossing1393]

I'm loving these recent drops in videos! Very exciting stuff, keep up the good work!

[@HungryHipster]

In Infinite campaign it is said the Endless are a bigger threat than the Flood. OMG mind BLOWN!! Makes perfect sense. Great video, thank you !!!

[@mexican_boi2247]

I noticed a pattern here: the precursors denied the forerunners. The forerunners denied the endless and the endless are probably gonna deny humanity the mantle of responsibility.

[@raedsharib3743]

So we who gonna deny. 😂

[@tatooine_dream]

you mean humanity will deny the endless* unless its the last game in the franchise 🤣

[@riggze]

I wasn’t the biggest fan of the “there’s more dangerous thing in this ring than the flood” cause I don’t think there should be anything worse and it also makes me think that they’re downplaying the flood cause they won’t be in any dlc (anytime soon at least)

[@iunnor]

They could mean more dangerous because they are capable and willing to carelessly release The Flood. This would mean The Flood is still the ultimate threat.

[@Aredel]

It makes no sense considering they’re STANDING ON A HALO RING

[@blaniac6591]

@@Aredel zeta halo too of all fucking halos

[@Aredel]

@@blaniac6591 it’s the Guardians problem all over again. We’re **told** that the Endless are more dangerous than the Flood, but we’re not shown how or why.

[@blaniac6591]

@@Aredel like the other guy said, I don’t think there should be anything more dangerous than the flood. I don’t understand why there even has to be, each new threat doesn’t have to be worse than the last one. Just new.

[@keeleyhoek]

I thought that the "3 days" time travel into the future at the end of the game hinted that the endless could survive the halo firings not innately, but by jumping forward in time to avoid the blast. Then they totally could be infected by the flood, which would make the forerunner's halos useless, and so the forerunners tricked the endless and locked them away instead. Under this interpretation "we will learn their secrets" referred to in the legendary ending are how they can jump forward in time.

[@blademaster2390]

Actually…that kind of makes sense. The legendary ending even has Pyre say “Time is not a construct we can control, and we cannot allow it to be theirs.”

[@realfnneato3111]

Or it's a reference to jesus christ coming back after 3 days

[@opponentsoup8795]

I really like this theory. I hope its what 343 will be doing.

[@miker292]

I see one main issue with that, that being the source of the teleporter. There's no reason whatsoever for the Endless to allow Chief to leave his confinement, nor a reason for the Harbinger to open a teleporter considering she's dead on the floor when it opens and she can teleport on her own. It's got to be a Forerunner teleporter. If I had to hazard a guess, opened by Offensive Bias. Offensive WAS put on the Ring to help with containment and research, and now that the Monitors are dead the mission falls to Offensive. It's possible Offensive learned how to manipulate time in some way, but it would actively harm his goals to send Chief forward in time considering that's three days for the Endless to run amok.

[@keeleyhoek]

@@miker292 My interpretation was that the time travel was caused by whatever the Harbinger was doing cooking up the "sentient" vortex (since she's Endless and so presumably has the time manipulation powers), and the portal was just a means of escape opened by (I guess) Offensive Bias.

[@slade1172]

No flood in halo infinite or even for the future is a huge wasted opportunity

[@novustalks7525]

Meh

[@bmxdude1337]

When I first saw this I immediately saw the infection form and got excited, the room and amount of security gave it away. Can’t wait

[@gokublack5099]

"Fate had us meet as foes but this ring will make us brothers"

[@slinkysaturn6555]

Honestly I really hope if the flood do make a return they'll make a firefight against ai banished or flood maybe even the flood juggernaut as a wave 20 boss

[@wastelandlegocheem]

Juggernauts must return. That or modders need to fix them in H2 to be an actual threat

[@teddybear1829]

Firefight flood for the win, you also have marines defending with you

[@thehipinmyear]

*drools profusely*

[@thehipinmyear]

We NEED firefight..... I NEED IT! ARGHGHGHGHGHG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ryanwaters6586]

This theory sounds pretty good and makes more sense than what I've heard so far, like the flood infecting them to be immune to halo. Which just didn't make sense to me as many theories just didn't add up, others think the Harbinger is one of them, I don't think she is. She seemed weak and also looks different on the cylix's diagram (9:03) than the endless do.

[@shangothunder1055]

Nope; The Endless are immune to the Halos becuase they either lack or have a special kind of nervous system making them immune if partially like the hunter worms to the Flood as well. We need to drop these mental gymnastics and just accept the reality that the Endless are simply the new baddies separate from the Flood.

[@velraven8944]

it's always possible that flood where always stored in Cylix's and where just taken out and placed into tubes and terrariums like in Cold Storage specifically for experimentation, as the monitors on the Halo array were tasked with experimenting to find a cure, regardless of how likely it was. The Cylix could store the infection form samples and the just take some out for the experiments when they needed to. This would make much more sense I think because Cylix's (unlike tubes filled with fluid) can halt aging, so the flood samples would be like a control group

[@GazpaNova]

Just wanted to say that the way you cheerfully talk about everything halo related is what keeps me engaged in this channel. Rarely I see someone that can transmit such positive energy while talking about a mind eating, flesh consuming, biomass arranging parasite

[@nekotyrant1629]

Cortana called Harbinger's kind worse than the Flood, but I disagree. Because imagine if the Flood incorparated a race that can survive a Ring being fired. You see, nothing can be worse than the Flood, because the Flood can always get *worse.*

[@MasterHall117]

The equivalent of Left 4 Dead’s Green Flu virus getting hit with the Flood

[@helloitsme6056]

It's just for building up drama...

[@iKnownot999]

@Private117 yeah, I think the confusion comes from that animated firing of the ring where the flood get blown off the ship. My other question is if it only destroys nervous systems why are the precursor structures affected. Do they have nervous systems. I know it's neural physics based or whatever but does that also mean the structure has a nervous system? Same again with the domain

[@blademaster2390]

@@iKnownot999 actually, the Halo Array wipes out the process behind Neural Physics, which is the process by which Precursor Structures worked. The fact that the Halos kill sentient beings with a central nervous system is a byproduct of Neural Physics being disrupted.

[@iKnownot999]

@@blademaster2390 thank you makes more sense now, well as far as a fictional super weapon can

[@TemporalKnight]

We need a survival horror flood game.

[@possum3238]

A game mode similar to Ewok Hunt in battlefront

[@ja0298]

Hell yes we do!

[@TemporalKnight]

Imagine playing as a scientist stranded on some Forerunner installation during an outbreak, and watching marines and spartans getting infected.

[@ethanlocke4162]

You should play the dead space series

[@wastelandlegocheem]

Omg yes

[@CerberusGRivers]

I have 2 massive interests in Halo, The Flood and Ancient Humanity, I've spent a lot of time around these 2 things the last couple years 1:30 that music cue legit gives me vibes as if I was playing The Maw on CE just after you get into the level. I don't really have much to add, was a good breakdown but I will speak on what I want to see in this new engine and game regarding the flood. This would be rated M for sure and I enjoy to really creepy people out, make that fear either spike quickly or slowly but not with cheap means so this idea is from my version of what I like in horror. making the player uncomfortable, getting their paranoia up etc is what the flood really should be. that pure sense of dread. I want to truly experience the horror that is the flood. I've had an idea for a random encounter for a while which would introduce the flood onto Zeta Halo. at some point in your travels or on a mission during a night cycle you can pick-up a destress beacon by a u.s.n.c squad. when you get there it's hard to see, it's dark in a cave or just out in the world. you can see a banished squad fighting a marine squad and the marines are clearly losing, in a triggered scene where John stops behind a rock, destroyed warhog or something say 30-40 feet from the fight he can see shapes moving in the dark between rocks, trees etc. you watch as the shapes move in, hearing the surprises and screams as members of both squads are quickly jumped and dragged away leaving you glimpses of what the shapes were in the dim lights of the fire fight. you are given control back but before you can get into the fight and help it's over, the bodies are gone leaving only blood, shells, spikes etc behind. you can add another thing where you can follow a blood trial or the beacon to a cave or something where your jumped by some combat forms and find the pile of bodies deeper in the area with some flood biomass around like the start of what was to be a flood hive. I just want to see exactly why people fear the flood returning, maybe in a mission where you play as a marine getting attacked by the flood before being dragged off and thrown into a proto gravemind similar to what we saw in Halo Mona Lisa.

[@AlexSantiso]

Not been destroyed by the pulse doesn't mean they lack a nervous system Xperia, bear in mind that the Forerunners where afraid of them because of their control over the construct of time in some unknown way. Just wanted to point that out :).

[@retroroom7]

I really want The Flood to return in a dlc. They are such a awesome enemy and have a horror element that cannot be found anywhere else in Halo.

[@thefacts8394]

What if The Endless aren't immune to the flood. Would that not then make them more dangerous as the flood could infect them and be potentially immune to the Halo array. I think that is an interesting idea to think about & would certainty make the Endless being an indirect threat.

[@ChextheVes4451]

Well, I mean Halo was mean to kill everything except the flood. It was designed to eliminate the food sources, to starve out the flood.

[@helloitsme6056]

@@ChextheVes4451 It also killed everything floody that had or has a nervous system...

[@thefacts8394]

​@@ChextheVes4451 Yes of course but if the endless could not be killed by the Halos, and are vulnerable to the flood, then there is still a food source after the ring's firing. And who knows what other things the endless are capable of, if a gravemind was formed with their collected intelligence it could be very very bad. Its a theory, and I do not really expect it to be the main reason the forerunners wanted to imprison their species. I think the main theme going forward in Halo will be everyone vs Humanity/Forerunners. Aatriox had no problem with humanity until their rampant AI army used forerunner tech to destroy his homeworld and kill billions. I think we will get to see an Arbiter-like figure in him in the coming games where he is fighting to keep control so something like this does not happen again. But I guess we will see.

[@shangothunder1055]

That's not how it works; The Endless are immune to the Halos becuase they either lack or have a special kind of nervous system making them immune if partially like the hunter worms to the Flood as well. The Endless are simply the new baddies separate from the Flood.

[@Sporfo]

this makes me incredibly excited. I REALLY want the flood to come back.

[@haydenmcclure622]

This theory works really well. It was also my interpretation about the story that has been set up going forward. The only part that doesn't align, is Why would the endless require the flood as the middle man? If they survive a halo, they could just fire the halo and not have to use the flood as the middle man. My theory is that the endless/xalanyn are precursors or servants to the precursors, and the precursors have been Halo's space illuminati for the known history of the universe. The precursors/endless "accidentally" made dust from themselves with a plan to reconstitute themselves, and it "accidentally" gave rise to the flood. They just so happen to be able to survive a halo array firing? Seems like an all too convenient coincidence that just happens to make them one of the most powerful species in a universe with halo arrays. I bet we find out they laid the groundwork for the halo arrays design (like designing a flaw in the deathstar). They themselves can't activate the halo array, but can force the galaxy into enough desperation to fire an array, with the flood as the target of blame, they get to continue being endless, working in the shadows, surviving an eons-long plan. Who knows, maybe the covenant religion was seeded by the endless, maybe the logic plague is their other subtle strategy of having someone else do the dirty work. Cortana could have been corrupted into thinking that she needed to wipe out all that oppose her, lead her to capture a halo array where she might fire it if she ever got control of the array itself. Ultimately the plot ends up where it has, and I think we've got our first reveal of the precursor's long-standing plans to maintain control of the galaxy.

[@themasterseye]

So..... Mass effect?

[@lmaocetung]

8:14 wait, why would they use the flood before firing the halos? They could just fire the halos and that would do all the job for them, they wouldn't need flood

[@ShadicRothZz1998]

Presumably the flood would provide a distraction for any lucky green Spartans that would prevent the Halo's from firing otherwise.

[@lmaocetung]

@@ShadicRothZz1998 I don't think so but ok

[@samlund8543]

8:33 but then why would the Endless need the flood when they are already immune to the Halos? Just because you can’t be infected doesn’t mean that the flood can’t hurt you - why not just fire the rings and be done with it?

[@ShadicRothZz1998]

The flood could distract or wipe out anyone who could potentially stop the plan to fire the halo rings.

[@westyorkshiremapping4851]

now this is what i miss from the old days. Hiddenxperia making flood theory videos

[@hanging4176]

I literally scoffed when they said there are things worse than the flood in the ring lmao. The flood are the penultimate threat in the Halo Universe, all consuming, all knowing. And no amount of saying “yeah these things you never see in-game are like way worse for sure.” Will convince me otherwise.

[@shangothunder1055]

You gotta let it go and move on a game can't survive on Nostalgia pandering forever.

[@EthanRom]

The lore and characters have to expand my friend. I for one am happy we got something new. For the first time in a while I feel like the Halo story is progressing and that feeling of mystery is back

[@hanging4176]

@@shangothunder1055 Ok, but then show me the threat. Don't tell me how dangerous it is and refuse to show me, if the endless outdoes the flood then I won't scoff but all they did was hype up this new faction and then not do anything with them.

[@hanging4176]

I'm not upset we got something new, I'm upset that they hyped up this new foe and then did nothing with it. I was basically just told to be afraid of this mysterious foe and they kept reusing vague phrases to describe them, it got a bit tiresome. Especially compared to how we were introduced to the flood. Show me why I should fear this new enemy, don't just tell me to.

[@sina_1239]

@@hanging4176 Maybe wait? The story isn't even over yet.

[@jimmycarburator2012]

I still wish for a flood DLC atleast, like imagine grapplehooking a flood combat forms arms off and having an army of friendly flood guys like in halo CE

[@leonardwimbelton8920]

Halo 3*

[@spacebacon7184]

Floodbuddies :D

[@spacebacon7184]

@@leonardwimbelton8920 True, you could do that in 3, but they would eventually explode. In CE, they've got your back to the end.

[@mercury2157]

all fun and games until they start throwing kicks

[@TehNewV]

"Not even the banished could brute-force into it" 🤣

[@TheEvilGamingInc]

My Theory from the campagin: The Endless are a species the forerunners came across that have some form of manipulation towards time travel, that would leave them the perfect hosts for the flood cause they would be able to survive at all points in time. The forerunners locked them away because of this very rare trait and this is why they are basically classified as unknown, I mean the forerunners always knew that the flood would return and why they couldnt risk it. Anyways thats my two cents I may have missed some stuff making this whole theory redundant, please feel free to correct me.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

no.

[@TheEvilGamingInc]

@@jakespacepiratee3740 ?

[@konahrikb1578]

Here's something I'm wondering: If the Xalanyn turn out to be some offshoot of the Precursors, or some kind of derivative species, how would they view the Flood, which are in effect corrupted Precursors? Would they pity them? See them as a lost cause or sacrificial lamb? Or try to redeem them into actual Precursors?

[@tatooine_dream]

imo the endless will trying to kill everything, including the flood, potentially using the rings + time blinks. and you will fight along side flood and potentially atriox for the first time ever

[@konahrikb1578]

@@tatooine_dream Well they're definitely going to come out of the Cylixes furious at everything related to the Forerunners, likely including their designated inheritors: Humanity.

[@whitephinez6406]

If they do go that route with weaponizing the flood as an endless tactic, I could see 343 pulling a page from bungies book and getting Lasky infected as a callback to halo CE, history repeating itself type of deal.

[@tuxidomask2599]

Bro but Laskey is one of the few GOOD things we have from 343😭

[@captainbonkerang]

What if we witness an Atriox and Master Chief team up. Feel like atriox is smart enough to realise he’s just a pawn. Would be a good way to elevate the character within the mainline games so when we do eventually have our boss battle (hopefully) it will very impactful.

[@brandohhd2583]

@Bruh-Inator cant answer that question without ruining the ending.

[@defferwa]

Atriox could be Arbiter 2 (thematically)

[@FreezyPop]

That’d would be awkward as hell teaming up with the same person who destroyed your race’s flag ship of its entire navy in 4 minutes

[@defferwa]

@@FreezyPop yeah, like the Arbiter did?

[@FreezyPop]

@@defferwa I hated that part as well

[@handsomekeyes5419]

"They may be immune to Halo and Flood, but none are immune to boolet" ~Green Halo Man

[@honeybeeees6666]

The Endless weaponizing the flood makes a ton of sense. Particularly due to the overall weakened state of the species in question. During the Forerunner/Human war, both civilizations were at their zenith, with dozens or perhaps hundreds of other flourishing species. The amount of available biomass and warships to infect was... essentially infinite. Currently, however, there are only a handful of multiplanet species, with the banished on their last legs, humanity in a desperate state, ravaged by decades of war and Cortanas betrayal. If the Endless can harness even a fraction of the Forerunners Armada and Sentinel garrisons, it would take little effort to weaponize the flood, let them devastate much of their enemies strongholds, and then cleanse the infection. Humanity would be in poor shape to oppose them claiming the Mantle. Secondary theory, perhaps the Endless lack a nervous system because they have some form of hive mind/telepathy. While this renders them immune to flood infection, it also provides them with the ability to actually control the flood locally. As more of them gather, they actually function as a type of gravemind. Why would this be? Because the Endless are a subspecies of the Precursors. Millenia upon millenia ago, a faction within the Percursor race "devolved" themselves into the Endless, and when the Forerunners discovered them, and what they were capable of, passed judgement on them. Now the Endless have been freed, and seeing the devastation unleashed by their foolish children, come to weaponize their twisted cousins(the flood) to once again bring the galaxy to stability.

[@mrbwfiman2899]

Was I the only one that thought the eerie green/ brown mist with little particles floating around in it in the legendary ending looked a lot like flood spores? Because no one else has commented on that.

[@Raven_Wolfe23]

in the end cutscene the greenish looking spores give Flood vibes for some reason, maybe 343 are pulling a D2 where at the end of the game as it zooms out you see the future DLC and in this cutscene you see the Endless but also a flood like vibe to the room showing a potential DLC story of the flood, idk maybe im looking into it to much

[@thexplodenator3007]

I think that Point of Light said that one of the ring’s Flood containment areas was compromised, so maybe that infection form was put in a cylix s as a form of emergency containment before the regular plane could be repaired

[@SaberEBW]

The Endless are said to be the most dangerous thing when mixed with The Flood. I think its because they were the perfect creatures or vessels for the Flood

[@shangothunder1055]

They didn't say that; they straight up said they themselves where just worse. The Endless are immune to the Halos becuase they either lack or have a special kind of nervous system making them immune if partially like the hunter worms to the Flood as well. The the Endless are simply the new baddies separate from the Flood.

[@josephcharles4549]

@@shangothunder1055 I wonder how much 'worse' they could be. The Flood have already defeated the Forerunners when they were at the apex of their power. The Endless were all imprisoned by a handful of Forerunners at the end of their civilization. Granted they had Offensive Bias but even Offensive Bias couldn't defeat the Flood without the use of the Halos, being immune to the Rings didn't stop the Endless getting thrown in prison after all.

[@shangothunder1055]

@@josephcharles4549 The Forerunner- Flood War was technically a draw. The Endless will most likely have access to powerful "forces" unique to them.

[@josephcharles4549]

@@shangothunder1055 I am looking forward to the abilities the Endless hold that make them so much a threat. Though I still can't easily buy into the whole 'more dangerous than the Flood' thing obviously because of what the Flood has already accomplished.

[@KaoticReach1999]

YES BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TALKL ABOUT THIS!!! No way they wont come back, ITS ZETA HALO!! 343 don't even try to attempt to make something "more dangerous than the Flood", just make them related!

[@Yaboyag3]

I think it would be 🔥 if the flood acted and moved like a literal liquid flood of mass kind of similar to world war z or how they look in the gravemind scene when he takes over high charity. Something that just makes us literally feel suffocated and overwhelmed while we’re playing.

[@Bajeezus]

Let's not forget the Halo Infinite audio field recordings video where they had a pug making some rather flood like sounds. They've gotta be coming back in some way shape or form!

[@diogojefs]

that sound also reminds the brutes.

[@shangothunder1055]

Those where for brutes.

[@jackkrupka3024]

I definitely see the flood coming back. Way back before the game came out when I found out it was going to be on Zeta halo I made a theory on the floods return and I had a pretty similar theory. It just makes sense

[@SamanthaSmith-ql9oy]

diggin the camera action, keep up these juicy lore videos handesome

[@HighGroundSand]

I missed these videos and i hope you continue doing some more lore videos going back to your roots is a nice change

[@Phwonk]

If the endless end up not being immune to the flood then couldn't they make the flood immune to the halo array? I think either way would be incredibly interesting. Either the endless are immune to the flood and they weaponize it as result or they're not immune to the flood but are immune to the halo array so them becoming infected effectively makes the flood immune to the halos as well.

[@thatbr1t1shguy]

Crossing my fingers for DLC, but it will be sad being rated T flood.

[@blaniac6591]

They deliberately choose to lower the quality of their games in order to appeal to an audience that doesn’t even care about halo. It’s stupid as shit.

[@trebberzings676]

@@blaniac6591 I don't think smaller blood splatters inherently "lowers the quality". Either way, DLC can be rated separately, so we'll just have to wait and see.

[@blaniac6591]

@@trebberzings676 it’s not about smaller blood splatters, it’s about much less blood splatters, or none at all, dismemberment, profanity, quality. This is a video game about war with some of the most gruesome and terrifying lore out of all other war games. Kind of ass that they have to dumb it down just so the government can say it’s okay for children.

[@trebberzings676]

@@blaniac6591 The books have always handled that stuff since the original trilogy. Infinite hasn't really changed much other than some smaller blood splatters. Heck, I'd even argue that Infinite has more implications of horror and gore than the first three games, with some of the lines and audio logs. It's not like Halo had dismemberment anyway outside of the flood, and the flood aren't in Infinite's base game. It doesnt make sense to me to say that a game is of lower quality just because of an ESRB rating, when Infinite is practically no different in terms of profanity with the original trilogy. It's like saying Call of Duty Vanguard is more quality than Metroid Dread just because it has an M rating.

[@blaniac6591]

@@trebberzings676 that’s the thing, they’re just implications. If it wasn’t rated t then they could just outright show it. Instead of suits of armor and helmets laying around, it could be splattered with blood, littered with corpses, maybe skulls instead of helmets. Making the game rated M leaves plenty of room for much much more, but when you make it rated T you’re just placing an unnecessary cap onto the game just to appeal to people who don’t even play the game.

[@Agent_Missouri]

After realizing the flood cylex is viewed from the front, do we have some theories of the endless viewed the same way?

[@justinhansen1328]

Nothing goes together better than Hidden Xperia and flood lore.

[@ChimpWithaHandGrenade]

I do think the Endless are in one way or another, the Precursors. It would explain a lot of what the Harbinger says and how she explains he plans

[@SaucyAlfredo]

What I'm wondering is how everyone in the banished thought atriox was dead but he just turns up in the ending to free the endless. What was he doing? How did he survive that massive explosion?

[@ginew07]

Probably got transported through a portal when Cortana tried to stop him, would explain why he’s just gone and everybody thinks he’s dead, he’s not dead, he’s just not here yet. Somebody is helping us, the same way the gravemind helped the Arbiter and the Chief in Halo 2, maybe.

[@marranin007]

@@ginew07 that would make a lot of sense. For the gravemind to help atriox. Since the endless may be some sort of branch of the precursors, and the graveminds are literal precursors, it would make a lot of sense for the gravemind to be helping atriox, similar to how Offensive Bias was probably helping out chief and the weapon at the end

[@ironindustries9258]

anyone else think if the endless weaponize the flood then the flood after making a gravemind join forces with humanity again similar to halo 3 because the endless will be considered a greater threat

[@cyriell]

This but it can be more like a betrayed humanity and banished is far less dangerous then the endless so they're a "stable income" of biomes so they can attack the endless better but then again they will have to fight a 4 front war(banished unsc endless and the installation itself)

[@shangothunder1055]

So you want to them to retail the same story all over again.

[@ironindustries9258]

@@shangothunder1055 never said I wanted this to happen I was just stateing a theory of what could happen

[@Doginthesleep]

I keep imaging a flood outbreak on Zeta, a Gravemind forming. And taunting us about Cortana’s death. Taunting the weapon because it...”Knows” her, “ it” broke “her” before. I was Replaying Halo 2, the Gravemind scene, When cortana asks “what is that?” To which it replies “I? I am the monument to all your sins.” Honestly....this hits so much harder now. It’s like it’s talking to her specifically. Like it already has a sense of what was to come. If you like the Logic Plague theory. 🤷‍♂️ And Speaking of cylixs, (spoiler alert for those who haven’t finished the game) who do you think Atriox used as a reclaimer to open the gate in the after credit scene?

[@andyfriederichsen]

We have an entire trilogy about the Flood.

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

He had the golden thing the harbinger had taken from the moniter that was destroyed so I beleive he's using that to gain access

[@Doginthesleep]

@@andyfriederichsen what can I say, I want more 🤷‍♂️ but I totally understand why some don’t.

[@moppypuppy781]

*8:00* Or they can just activate the rings, instead of turning the galaxy into receiving end of an outhouse. The Flood being used as a weapon just cheapens the Flood.

[@andyfriederichsen]

The Flood shouldn't be a major part of any new Halo games or media, if a part at all.

[@geekofnature2973]

It’s so refreshing to have so much new lore and information to theorize about

[@jakesalisbury2068]

I definitely don't think we're anywhere near out of the woods yet when it comes to the flood, the forerunners and the Banished. Part of me thinks the covenant will eventually come back after waiting out the war of attrition between humanity and the banished because I can't imagine them having more than some small remnant forces that only take up a small handful of ships

[@shangothunder1055]

Where dealing with the Banished who are about to release the Endless who are said to be "far worse than the Flood". Not to mention there story was already told in the original trilogy bringing them back just reduces the there conclusion. We have a new game, and a new enemy; I want a new experience. The Endless are the new baddies.

[@jakesalisbury2068]

@@shangothunder1055 could I perhaps get a their?

[@Garybell09]

@@shangothunder1055 The flood will always be a possible threat they were around long before we fought them & they will return again at some point it is inevitable doesn’t reduce the conclusion at all.

[@tremelliasteele2428]

Honestly, I'd thought the reason The Endless were such a threat was because they were immune to the Halos, but I'd seen nothing to suggest they were immune to the Flood. And the reason they were immune was due to their ability to warp time around them, which makes them a major threat due to what the Flood could gain by infecting them and gaining access to that power.

[@shangothunder1055]

The Endless are immune to the Halos becuase they either lack or have a special kind of nervous system making them immune if partially like the hunter worms to the Flood as well. We need to drop these mental gymnastics and just accept the reality that the Endless are simply the new baddies separate from the Flood.

[@marshallbeck9101]

@@shangothunder1055 it’s the combination of both, halo rings for the flood, prison for the endless, if both those worlds collide you have a virus hive mind with time travel capabilities they are separate keys to the destruction of the entire universe past present future

[@JazzOLantern]

My question is, how old are the rest of the beings in the cylix’s. If we opened a human one, where would they be dated? I would assume before the flood and forerunner war which means these could be extremely ancient beings.

[@janiecyr6477]

Damn bro, you're Silent Shadow intro is just godly amazing.

[@tyleraguilar2474]

That audio cue for flood was amazing

[@Sierra2S9]

I'm less getting a 'use The Flood for their master plans' vibe from the story. More of a 343 trying to replace them with their totally more dangerous and way cooler sounding Endless. Like when they tried to replace Chief in Halo 5 with Locke.

[@helloitsme6056]

Yeah and from what we saw the endless are not very cool, the Harbinger is kinda meh. Nothing can beat the flood and they are definitely not worse than the flood. Oke single Endless can destroy a species ?? Rather not...

[@dennisthemenace8825]

Well the endless is just the harbinger species the xylan i think there called.

[@shangothunder1055]

@@helloitsme6056 Where dealing with the Banished who are about to release the Endless who are said to be "far worse than the Flood". REINTRODUCING the Flood for nostalgia's sake is redundant. Not to mention there story was already told in the original trilogy bringing them back just reduces the there conclusion. You have to let go of the past. We have a new game, and a new enemy; I want a new experience. The Endless are the new baddies. If you want to keep playing the same story over and over again the MCC is there for a reason.

[@helloitsme6056]

@@shangothunder1055 The Problem ist the told us that they are worse than the flood but they didn't show us, no interest in them like that and the Harbinger was very MEH

[@Legendarysparda]

As much as I enjoyed the story I was really looking forward to the flood having more of a presence then they did. Even if we didn't fight them directly.

[@teddybear1829]

We will get them, be quicker if people keep demanding them

[@shangothunder1055]

@@teddybear1829 343 should tell there story and not let people harass them into retailing Bungie's story.

[@shangothunder1055]

Where dealing with the Banished who are about to release the Endless who are said to be "far worse than the Flood". REINTRODUCING the Flood is redundant. Not to mention there story was already told in the original trilogy bringing them back just reduces the there conclusion. We have a new game, and a new enemy; I want a new experience. The Endless are the new baddies.

[@Legendarysparda]

@@shangothunder1055 when it comes to the flood and even more specifically the precursors there's so much more to dive into then just rehashing bungie's story with them as you say. Even the endless, their whole reason for being a threat is because halo rings won't kill them and so what would happen if they fell to the flood? The halo rings become useless. Like it or not the flood/precursors are the endgame in the halo universe.

[@domp2729]

@@Legendarysparda more lore that won’t be told in the games. The flood as a concept is great and one of halo’s best but as an actual enemy to fight, in-game, they’re one of the worst

[@sanjeev4420]

If the flood ever show up in potential future dlc I will scream with joy.

[@dearcastiel4667]

The flood in a T rated game, one can dream...

[@Nephalem2002]

I’d love it if the Endless were revealed to be Precursors, or like descendants of them.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

Have to be since the harbinger drove a marine insane which sounds like the logic plague and the time travel stuff she did sounds like neural physics.

[@inwardmilk]

I can't watch this yet cuz I'm not that far into the campaign, but wow, that intro animation alone just earned you a sub.

[@martinni4507]

imagine the flood being unleashed on zeta halo with a much darker night cycle

[@LastUnspokenTruth]

They'll 100% be adding a Flood expansion, probably around Halloween time tbh

[@shangothunder1055]

@@LastUnspokenTruth T rating equals dumbed down flood.

[@SilverStar95]

343 would really be missing a huge cash grab if they didn't add some kind of flood dlc. Kinda like how big Awakening The Nightmare blew up

[@LegitTitan]

I would love to see a return of the Flood, but the T rating is really going to hold them back

[@MasterHall117]

The T rating won’t affect it, shows such as the Walking Dead got a TV-14 rating on it which is gaming’s T rating (13 and up), shouldn’t be much of a concern anymore

[@reecey1504]

You’re a legend man keep it coming!

[@DanielGonzzz]

Long time follower and even long time Halo player, gotta hand it to you about your theories. After careful consideration of what you proposed, it definitely makes sense even if I wished there wasn't anything more worse than the Flood. Thanks for making the videos.

[@tacobread3]

Extremely dissatisfied with how the flood was handled in this game. So far.

[@trebberzings676]

You mean... by being nonexistent? Because of foreshadowing?

[@mcspankey4810]

The flood wasn’t in this game tho

[@tacobread3]

@@mcspankey4810 true

[@tacobread3]

@@trebberzings676 yes and also not sure what you mean.

[@shangothunder1055]

Where dealing with the Banished who are about to release the Endless who are said to be "far worse than the Flood". REINTRODUCING the Flood for nostalgia's sake is redundant. Not to mention there story was already told in the original trilogy bringing them back just reduces the there conclusion. You have to let go of the past. We have a new game, and a new enemy; I want a new experience. The Endless are the new baddies whether you except it or not.

[@apex1757]

The initial problem I saw with the Flood returning in the future is there being more than the usual three factions in game. It'd be Humans, Banished, Flood, Endless, and maybe Sentinels. But with the Sentinels back on Humanity's side, and the fact the Flood would probably work with the Endless since the Endless would be immune, this problem isn't really an issue

[@kopperhed4472]

"There are worse things than The Flood within this Ring" is where I lost my emotional attachment. With the Didact, Created, Banished, and now the Endless we have various attempts to rewrite the main antagonists in Halo when it had the best/worst threat already that the Galaxy could ever witness. Halo 3 was no solution to the Flood. They still exist. Just make the risk to all life in their presence alone, and work with it. Contemplate having to deal with their existence instead of something like "and then there was an immune species that was possibly as important as the Forerunner, somehow."

[@BasedEMT1776]

Don't forget "led by a woman". Forerunners are very male-centric, and male-ran. The entire empire they had is masculine. Expect this new "lol the flood suck, these are the real enemies" to be very feminine and matriarchal. Can't have males getting any kind of credit or being any kind of important.

[@jacobsides5926]

@@BasedEMT1776 Are you actually serious? You play as a male the entire game who is seen as humanity's greatest hope. Go back to 4Chan incel.

[@infin8vibrations]

As a guy growing up in the era Halo One, playing that game meant so much to us, I’m happy to see it has evolved ;)

[@huuh1524]

I saw a theory that the reason the endless were locked up was because they could be infected and couldn't be killed by the halos which would make them very dangerous to the universe

[@ryuk5673]

even more reason why the flood would never be released by the endless. they'll just fire the rings and they've won without any risk

[@drewandcharlie7583]

Problem with reintroducing the flood is they would have to be controlled somehow. Which is totally against their nature. If they get out again then you cant just put them back in the box and they have to become front and center in the story line. I like the idea of the endless. But the combat is so good, they gotta be careful when introducing them. Fighting the forrunner machines sucked