We need to talk about the P20...

[@MrTom_Songwriter]

I appreciate your video, but one thing to point out. Putting one small dab of super glue "in front" of the string nut where the fret board is fine if you think you are never going to replace the string nut again. Most of the time, string nuts that are glued on to that front area can latch on to and literally "chip" the top of the fret board wood if you need to remove the string nut later on. Even if you use a heat gun, you'll risk that happening. I'm an old guy, and I've learned from a few luthers over the years. Back in the early 1980s a luther that I knew that was very old man at the time (R.I.P.) told me to use regular elmers white glue because it's a non-destructive glue. I've done that for years for string nuts in both electric and acoustic guitars and a few ukuleles.. No issues. Just a tip if you think down the road, you (or the next guy) needs to replace it. I'm going to check out the rest of your channel. Happy Holidays. - Mr.Tom Writer-Composer/Self-Administered Publisher (PRO: BMI Inc. / Pub: The MLC) CAE/IPI #: 833986399 / Publisher Number: P135OQ

[@MrTom_Songwriter]

@DARKOvibrations Thanks.. I try to pass a long helpful tips. I play 14 instruments and over 35+ years, I learned to do repairs and upgrades myself on all my acoustic and electric strings instruments. It's worth learning. Have a great day / night.

[@paulpts6704]

I have one. After I set the action to my liking it’s been absolutely perfect. I have 32 guitars and I have no complaints at all on this one. Opinions always vary though.

[@stephen25uk]

What, only 32? 😲

[@reimagedmedia1955]

Yea like I love the sound but the fat neck on it my fingers are too short to play it

[@sonofnothing]

I've always put my hand inside the guitar, using the flat side of a pick to pop the bridge pins out.. I never knew there was a pin puller on my sting winder until about a month ago. 😂

[@byronguitartv]

Me too lol

[@kimberlygaeta7205]

you must be a tiny boy

[@gethinap]

I just push the string into the bridge. It always seems to free it up.

[@TehObidan]

This. clip the string, push it down in the bridge, and the pin should be free. if not, gentle tap from the underside, and it's out.

[@imannonymous7707]

if the strings and pins are installed properly. you shouldnt have to struggle at all. if the pins are stuck. youre doing it wrong and there will be a price to pay for that. ive never needed a peg puller except for a used guitar that ended up with a crack in the bridge

[@rabonour]

Great video. I really appreciate seeing this sort of honest assessment - neither gushingly praiseful nor needlessly negative. The only addition I would have liked would have been a discussion of specific other models you would consider instead.

[@usimian]

Just got one of these babies! I bought it from Sweetwater and it was setup perfectly. Not sure who set it up but it was well done. The tuning pegs aren't countersunk at all. There's plenty of space to pull them out. Maybe PRS fixed this. I bought the P20 without the electronics since I rarely need to plug in. I'm a happy camper at this point!

[@kirkscobey3031]

Likewise got mine from Sweetwater about 3weeks ago and no issues whatsoever!!

[@84kjk]

I just got mine for $299 for Labor Day sale

[@LiveDragon1]

Just got mine without the electronics at the sale.

[@crystalgaynor9708]

What a GREAT review on a very popular guitar brand! No shade, just FACTS! Thank you Key vs Strings, great review!

[@stickmanmusic5840]

I appreciate this honest review. I have several PRS electrics, used to have a Martin 0-18 so I like parlor size acoustics, and this one is on my radar.

[@bobhinley5410]

Have you identified better tuners for the P20? I own a P20 and find the tuners low end in quality.

[@czgunner]

What would you buy instead that is close to the same price?

[@BluesLearner_70]

Also broke a tuner, PRS sent me a 6 tuner free upgrade and passed warranty date… great service

[@stevenfisher2609]

I have this guitar. Same exact thing happened to my low E tuning peg. Ended up just harvesting a peg from an old Seagull (parts caster) that I had laying around and super glueing it to the tuning machine. It’s a cheap guitar but it’s perfect as my office guitar. Mine came perfectly set up from the box btw.

[@daciuk8]

I bought the Art & Lutherie black parlour which I preferred after trying the PRS.

[@JonathanWimpenny]

Very interesting post .... thanks .... was wondering if you ever considered changing the tuners?

[@stephen25uk]

I imagine Justin Johnson is sponsored but when he plays this guitar it sounds incredible. I really don't think he would put videos on KZbin with it if he didn't like it.

[@warburgaby]

Agree ☺️

[@werbeck1]

@@warburgaby Agree. This guy got a real lemon. Why didn't he just return it?

[@frakognome4434]

I had a try on this guitar (after Justin Johnson's videos) in a shop and I noticed immediately that pins issue. Plus, despite neck relief was OK, action was way too high. And the guitar did noy sound that good, sincerely. Not for me, thanks.

[@fredymendez855]

I think the question is what do you expect to get out of this instrument right ? Like I just got mine and I truly just expect this guitar to be on my couch and play it whilst I am watching television lol and not care if I drop it or damage it. I purchased a made in Mexico Dreadnought but it’s not as comfortable and I feel like this puppy will do the trick. Also didt bother getting the electronic because that defeat the purpose of just laying back and playing it.

[@Jessedeaguero1]

My opinion the 500 you paid is what you should judge for that much you could buy say a seagull full size and it's hard to beat then again parlor guitars are harder because theres not as many so you just have to luck out and get one that whoever put it together went the extra mile as far as looks go you find a better looker! Ive been looking for a parlor guitar and even the 1500 Martin parlors are not worth that so I still haven't crossed this guitar off my list any suggestions

[@phretbord]

Great review I appreciate your honesty! 🤣🎼🎸🎵🏆

[@ambu6478]

I recently purchased this same model PRS guitar. Like most guitars I've ordered online, it needed a little tweaking, but in no time it was ready to play and does so really well. My se20 PRS, came with different tuners than yours... maybe they changed to a better tuner after problems with the earlier white knobs...mine are black. So far it's a great little guitar for the money!

[@ZabDevin]

I have the same problem with a tuner button inexplicably cracking and breaking off.

[@stevelandress]

I bought mine for the parlor guitar tone but discovered that plugged in, it sounded like my other electric/acoustic guitars plugged in. Not a parlor guitar. I traded towards another guitar and really don’t miss it. I will however not get rid of my PRS A50E.

[@Sevenxsnroses]

A lot of this was pointless to complain about except for the tuner. That was completely unacceptable. The nut thing happens, it happened to my Breedlove and yea…… every guitar needs a good set up to your liking so a truss rod adjustment isn’t really worth complaining about. I don’t own a single PRS and probably won’t but this had a lot of non issues

[@kimberlygaeta7205]

whiny boy! Pointless comment.

[@rogerledoux4741]

Then why did you post. A non-issue to you might be a deal breaker to me.

[@jhonemilecuriantun8360]

...!!! did you put any enhancements on the pramp features.. wich brand.. !?

[@kymastyl]

I was also ready to search for my pliers...but then googled and you can pop the bridge pins out from the inside of the guitar.

[@joshuacedars8849]

The neck shape and feel to me was enough to overcome these minor issues.

[@chrisl2285]

If the wide fat neck feels like the wide fat neck on my SE 245 electric.....I have to give this guitar serious consideration.

[@niasboiii]

How is the neck? Fat and wide?

[@quintas66]

So the tuner broke and it put you in a bind for the entire weekend? Were you traveling and only brought one guitar? Always bring an additional guitar, even if you're just playing down the street.

[@84homey]

Dude, needing to do a quarter turn adjustment to the truss rod for a new guitar is NOT a fault, it's a standard part of setting up a new guitar to suit YOU (and your home environment). That said, obviously the nut should not fall off, and tuning keys should not break. Thanks for the honest review.

[@therockafellers]

Tuning key broke on mine also. Input jack fell out twice. Well worth replacing the tuners of your going to count on this in the field. Love the guitar though and play daily

[@dgmg1578]

For $299 sale I couldn't resist. Zero issues with tuners, truss rod adjustment, might lower saddle a bit. Beautiful tobacco burst sits next to sofa.

[@jonmelanson8143]

Have you ever tried an Orangewood Oliver junior live? They look similar, but half the price.

[@alandenooyer9201]

I have also broken the two lowest tuning keys. Fortunately my local guitar tech at Guitar Center replaced them for around $19.00 each with a slightly sturdier key. The new models user larger tuning keys. Also frustrated when changing strings. The first bird inlay is a little higher than the ebony on mine. Otherwise I love the neck profile and it is fun to play. It is not my main acoustic. I also have Martin and Taylor and Cordoba nylon.

[@peterpulpitpounder]

What then would you recommend over this model?

[@anthonyfowler2623]

Your thoughts on the Jim dandy

[@johnsugden1073]

I’ve had same issues with disintegrating Tuner button. Over a year old so no help from store. Only drop in replacement are Klusons @ $104 inc postage. Bad design PRS…

[@colincroft4540]

Did you turn a capo around to get a partial capo sound?

[@orabidoomed]

I bought a PRS P20 but after a month or two it started to make an irritating "tziiing" sound that came from somewhere inside, every time I picked the strings, and it was mixed all over the great. It was NOT fretbuzz. Never found out what it was, but they sent me a new one. I recommend putting some new strings on it as mine sounded dead from the begining. Love the new one.

[@rodrodriguez460]

Buttonless tuner? I use the open gap of a closed pocket knife to allow the tuner peg to be inserted inside the gap and twist to tune.

[@jacobcanner495]

What strings you have on there??

[@robertsimpson5801]

I appreciate your video and your honest opinion. I think that I am going to buy one of these as a knock-around gigging guitar so that I can leave my nice guitar at home!

[@Hal-fz1em]

Did you buy it?

[@robertsimpson5801]

@@Hal-fz1em I did. I bought the “limited edition P20E with the white finish used for $390. The action is a bit high, but I am going to take it for a setup and see how it does.

[@Hal-fz1em]

@@robertsimpson5801 Thanks. I have heard that about the action. Good luck. Seems like a cool guitar. I am comparing to the GS Mini

[@bealfeirsteabu]

@@Hal-fz1em Had a GS Mahogany; very thin sounding and overpriced. And I'm a fan of Taylors. Bought a Harley Benton travel guitar for about a quarter of the price and not much difference tbh. I have just pulled the trigger on one of these for my daughter; hopefully won't have trouble with tuning pegs, but otherwise it looks like a lot of guitar for the money.

[@kneedeepinit]

I love this review because it is the real world experience of a gigging musician

[@fabiosansaro5201]

Hi ! could you tell me how wide the nut is?

[@rockmeamodeo]

Dude, you relied on that one guitar for a gig with no back up?

[@notmyname3681]

Thanks for the honest review. Saw another vid where they cut one open and the bracing and glue on the soundboard were not very well done, which was disappointing. Had been considering getting one, I love the sound, style and playability. Might hold off though.

[@Hiimchandler]

I bought the vintage mahogany model towards the end of 2020 and have gigged with it 4-6 days a week, 3 hours a day since. The only issue that I have found is with the pegs being too low like you said, making it harder to change strings. Other than that (knock on wood) lol it has performed beautifully right out the box. I guess for the price point, I wasn’t expecting too much in the first place so I wasn’t very disappointed by the minor peg issue. I figure with the way these guitars are mass produced, it’s just luck of the draw on whether you get a shitty one or a quality one…

[@Furrygumball71]

How did you fix the low peg issue?

[@bluzikmusic]

Hi Have the tobacco version of the P20 and have had none of these issues. Have changed strings to EB Aluminums. The standard PRS strings sounded good but the EB strings make it sound even better. Had no difficulty in removing the pins. Only issue I had was that the advertised model showed black tuners but guitar arrived with cream coloured ones. PRS speedily sent me out a complementary set of black ones.

[@nathanxbond]

i bought this one recently after thinking about it for way too long like i always do and i honestly love it so far. i have some much more pricey acoustic guitars that i love but i still find myself reaching for this one just about every time. its also the best looking acoustic i have. i got the special addition pink verison. its beautiful. i guess im still in the honeymoon faze but as of now id highly recommend this instrument.

[@LightenupandshootMikey]

you love the guitar and it;s your new sound...but you wouldn't buy it again?

[@bluesque9687]

How does it compare to Jim Dandy?

[@psytrp9968]

Great video man. No shilling, just honest opinions from a PRS customer/player. Thanks for this! It really helped with my decision.

[@monkusbee]

Is it possible you got a lemon?

[@bngbraz2]

I too lost my tuner button as you describe, and my bridge started to peel off....I'm having all replaced and reset.

[@roughneckchris]

GREAT VIDEO AND PLAYING, BROTHER. HOWDY FROM TEXAS

[@stormengine3261]

That sound hole is big enough to stick your hand in to push the bridge pins out from inside, that's just common sense homie. Release the strings from the tuners first of course.

[@kimberlygaeta7205]

if you have woman hands.

[@nilkanthroutray1145]

What Amp are you playing through?

[@orabidoomed]

I want to replace my tuners since I've experienced the same problem with a broken tuner button. Can anyone in here recommend a whole tuning maschine package of GOOD quality, that fit right on this guitar?

[@JJmoreno231987]

I agree with you! When i purchased the guitar, the machine head plastic cover cracked and asked the shop to fix it but they cant do it. I end up refunding my purchase.

[@onehundredhourchallenge836]

You can always reach inside the hole of the guitar and push the bridge pins out from below using a small block of wood or even a really stiff guitar pick.

[@jeebusyaweirdo3733]

That is what I like about my 1950’s us strad parlor acoustic, doesn’t use the bridge pin system and I actually prefer that about it

[@irvingsherwood1234]

The countersink on the bridgepins likely accounts for audibly increased sustain.

[@Shivanshu.Bisaria]

I also own a PRS Acoustic Guitar, I definitely agree with you man about the counter sink issue with the Bridge PINS on the bridge. And the Falling of Nut while Re stringing the Guitar! PRS should do something about that!

[@kabutoid]

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I'm researching whether I would get this guitar or not, and I appreciate you sharing some of your dissatisfaction with this guitar

[@kimberlygaeta7205]

I also had 2 tuner buttons break off for no reason. Ended up replacing the tuners with Wilkinson WJ44s in black.

[@LukeWigginsMusic]

I couldn’t pick one of those up just because the headstock

[@stevepenn2626]

Pick up a snapz bridge pin puller for those pins! I’ve never had luck with the pullers on those string winders, and I’ve never had issues on any guitar with the snapz. Totally agree with your assessment on the guitar. Nice video!

[@Anthony-ll4nh]

I agree completely on plastic tuning keys and I'd just automatically replace those on a new guitar and maybe put a nice set of all metal Grovers on. Also most mass produced guitars are NOT set up, so always plan on doing that.

[@EDAR96]

PRS does set up their SE guitars they have dedicated people who do it. Things can change when they’re being shipped around however

[@Traumglanz]

And usually PRS has an upgrade for the tuners avaible for their SE guitars. For a price naturally, but the SE lines are their budget guitars.

[@TehObidan]

To me, a 1/4 turn of a truss rod is not a setup. It's an adjustment.

[@mgriff56]

Appreciate your comments here, all helpful. But I have done more work on my £5000 Lowden incl getting basic fret markers added, this has prs birds! The electronics on this are superb, the only guitar I have used for acoustic gigs cost 2.5 grand. If you wouldn’t think this justifies 1000, I am surprised! The thing is especially good for gigs. It lacks the acoustic tone of bigger eg 000 size for just acoustic playing and acoustic only clubs. But as a parlour guitar it’s perfect. Rock on !

[@kensmith5239]

Four of your issues are nothingburgers that are basically quality issues common to all budget level guitars. The machine head issue was a fluke. None of these are at all indications that the guitar is crap. You cannot expect a $500 guitar to have the detail to QC that a boutique instrument enjoys. If you think other similarly priced guitars don’t have these issues, then I would a suggest acquiring more experience. There’s nothing on the market at that price that is significantly better in terms of QC. The vast majority are much worse. In fact the PRS imports are probably among the best available n this regard. The only ones substantially better are Alvarez. Alvarez and PRS overall have the best fit and finish of the options at that price. Epiphone might be close, too. Wouldn’t you rather have a few simple setup issues than buy something like a Gretch whose nut didn’t fall off but sounds like poo? The fit and finish isn’t in the same league. IMO, your criticism, while valid, aren’t indicative of “quality.” Rather, you experienced just a few things that are inherent to any guitar that doesn’t get the attention to detail that a boutique guitar enjoys. There are MUCH worse QC issues out there even among expensive guitars. For example, have you investigated QC issues of American Gibsons? They are often trainwrecks in terms of quality control. 😊 Sorry but I don’t find anything of value in this video. I think you just got one of those rare lemons because none of these issues are really even significant. Inconvenience? Yes. Catastrophe? No. This video will needlessly scare away new players look for budget alternatives.

[@mpc79]

I got one of these recently, and ended up returning it for a different guitar. Bought it online (without playing) and it arrived in excellent condition except for maybe needing a slight bridge saddle adjustment. It's a beautiful guitar (I got the black top) but I really didn't like the sound. After changing the strings (man, those bridge pins were a PAIN to take out) I realized that the sound wasn't going to get much better. Way too much treble and a bit too thin for my liking. I ended up going with a Taylor GS Mini (which I had played before, but though the PRS looked better). I feel like the tone from the Taylor is much more substantial with a better bottom end. In fact, I'd say the Taylor plays less like a tiny guitar and more like a full-sized/body guitar. That said, the PRS is very pretty and well-made. And, as said in the video, could be set up to one's liking. But, it wasn't for me.

[@deanpesci8484]

This is the ultimate example of a mass produced $500 guitar....some better than others, but c'mon, man!

[@joelgraham3]

they could go to the front right now but they are blowing it because of sloppiness - I want to buy more than one - even an expensive electric - and I find these comments and videos and it's very disappointing - hey PRS, if you read these comments, why are you doing this? I am going to buy a Tele for 2k because I don't want the bridge pickup to fade in and out when I'm playing!

[@bduncs3121]

Hey are you able to buy those specific tuners online?

[@schloon]

New strings screech hahaha I've been wanting to pick one up but this helps push me in another direction

[@timelwell7002]

From a gigging perspective, it's probably best - and safest - to swap out the machine heads for Grover or Grover-style ones with 'mushroom' shape metal buttons.

[@scottdreher8122]

Great review and really appreciate the straightup details. Well taken, I'm still interested in this guitar myself but will scrutinize anyone I should check out very closely. I like the way it sounds when you play it and can relate to what you said about maybe you wouldn't buy it again, but you're glad you have it all the same. Thanks

[@joelgraham3]

I agree with everything - it has no bottom at all - it’s shocking to the ear - even in this video did you notice no bottom? I never play mine / I’m giving it to my son

[@RByrne]

I tried one of these yesterday. I wanted a travel guitar, and my main acoustic is a Lowden S, so Im used to a smaller body. I t was okay, but I actually preferred the Gretsch Jim Dandy(at 1/3 the price). I picked that up, and couldnt be happier so far. I may invest in a non-travel parlor guitar at some point, and for that Im looking at the Larivee P03. Nice, honest review! Thanks

[@steverolfeca]

Since you've decided to keep it, I recommend that you invest a couple of bucks in a metal bridge pin puller. Cheap and effective with pins that sit low in the bridge, and most can be fixed to a zipper pull or keyring.

[@DP-hn6rl]

@Keys Versus Strings the song your playing at the beginning of this video sounds really similar to a Flickerstick song called "Blue"👍

[@Tequila512]

tell it like it is. great review. 🙏

[@lacasadipaglia]

there is the EKO Marco Polo MM (all solid mahogany) at the same price range and solid construction. New Eko series are quite good!

[@ChordYogaGuitar]

Thanks for the informed insight and nice to hear that the guitar works out for you, after giving it some (needed) extra care. For this price point though, there's a chance most might end up being happier with an old Stella / any of those Regal builds, plus some repairs (if needed) and tweaks so it meets contemporary 'playing practices'. I recently tried the PRS and a couple more along those lines but they don't compete, tonally. The vintage parlor I found was in horrible shape (e.g. wood blocks glued to the top) but it was still way less than $500 including refret, new bone nut - the neck was actually ok - and it even plays more comfortable than the modern builds.

[@kory1212]

I think what you have to remember is this a beginner guitar …. If you play out you should buy more expensive. That is what separates cheap guitars vs expensive guitars ! All these fine details add up.. Buy it nice, or Buy it twice…….. cheers good vid

[@werbeck1]

Great advice! Don't know why in the world he would not return what was obviously a lemon.

[@jameslee-gq2eo]

They are on sale for 299 without pickups sounds like a good deal

[@Lisas_Chatroom]

I was looking at this guitar, thanks so much for the honest review...

[@stochasticdeterministic6939]

What is the truss rod size?

[@aurelius7579]

Nice to know. I just got one of these and I had the same problem with the tuner. It came to me broken but I was able to exchange it that day. But it does feel good. I am just a beginner but it does feel good.

[@MrJimcarlton]

Agree wholeheartedly. Moreover, because of the shape of the headstock one has to hold the string winder at odd angles. Not a big deal, nevertheless a nuisance. I have, however, noticed PRS has upgraded the tuning keys from the plastic lima beans. With those, it's just a matter of when they'll break. Too bad it happened on you gig. What a drag that must have been.

[@tedc6694]

Somehow it sounds intrinsically more honest by saying you wouldn't buy it again. Even though you'd obviously say you would if you would. Lol. I liked the video a lot

[@jeboccuzzi10]

Great but sorry you bought it? 🤔

[@ClNoBody]

PRS support has been great. I asked about the tuners and they sent me the new ones with the black knobs.

[@LaMusicade4]

PRS are ghosts. It’s a good thing I know a little to work it

[@drothberg3]

I was wondering why it sounded so good plugged in. Then you gave me the answer: LR Baggs Anthem. There is no $1000 guitar that is going to have as good-sounding a pickup as an Anthem, so you might wind up upgrading.

[@AgavePiper]

Thanks for your honesty review. We'll said

[@flppr1]

The bridge pins pop up very easily with a small flathead screwdriver. Picking nits.

[@randybubbawingfieldjr.8614]

One other issue to note or be wary of… during my last two shows, I kept hearing a bright sounding harmonic. I noticed, the first string (bottom string) was catching underneath the last fret (20th fret on the P20). I think a fingernail file will be my choice to repair. However, it may need a slight hammer bump to seat the fret. Great video and thanks for sharing!

[@topherbrown9270]

Dang! Yeah I think they just need to do a little better on quality control. As I said, I still love mine. I just don’t wanna have to work on it lol.

[@thomasgaida7174]

I have a similar opinion about the PRS P20. It is good but not excellent. The first day I had it the truss rod cap fell off. PRS attaches the truss rod caps with only one tiny screw on all of their models whereas 2 or three would be industry standard.

[@joekyleboston]

Thank you so much. This is totally what we needed to see. Thank you.

[@duster71]

No it's not.

[@zplapplap]

@@duster71 What’s your problem with the video?

[@GuitarType01]

I didn’t know PRS made acoustic guitar as they are better known for their outstanding electric guitars.

[@danluther1741]

You just wouldn't expect these issues from a PRS no matter where it's made!

[@jhonemilecuriantun8360]

i ´ve got one in sight and put my finger on the buying button .. but i wouldn´t know if it will be fine with all his shapes .. it´s a risk .. would i buy it or not . .!? is a limited white b-stock..

[@nl_rhein4886]

Good sounding guitar and nice playing 👍.

[@МихаилЗленский]

Три месяца назад приобрёл себе такую , Я доволен !!!

[@simonandthelyricalpoets]

It is a lovely looking guitar, and I have had good experiences with PRS guitars. It's good to highlight issues that come up as you have done, as it helps us as guitar collectors - good video.

[@dshall442]

Completely agree with the final conclusion. I have a P20e, it's the third one I've had. First 2 had fitment issues with the neck/body joint. Love the sounds I get out of it, and it's extraordinarily easy to play BUT... $/$ I've had a better experience with every Alvarez I've ever handled or bought (I have 2).

[@sankofa210]

holding my Alvarez as I read this...

[@dwightlilly4208]

From listening to the problems it is clear there was a quality control problem with your particular one. None of the issues mirrors my experience. I would have contacted the dealer and company and told them I want it replaced. Lemons happen in every product.