We Pointed A Laser Into Night Vision

[@falconclaw_]

Oh my, 500 likes until part 2 milestone. What an honorable shill by community. LIKE if you want to see Photonis ECHO, REPLY if you want to see some equivalent Gen3. *As a side note to USA community - we are in EU, so we can't get hands on your Gucci L3 wishes.

[@Triangle26]

I would love to see you guys test an Elbit XLSH or equivalent Gen 3 unit.

[@andrewwalters9763]

I would love to see the photonis and or photonis 4g tubes tested!!

[@Snowman420DK]

Dont know why I got this video recommended, but I sure as hell watched all of it. And loved it!

[@harrison00xXx]

Now im waiting for Part 2

[@falconclaw_]

@@harrison00xXx We too!

[@dirtbike165]

Yeah, I want to see a modern L3 unfilmed tube next!

[@Token_Black_Guy]

Hell nah

[@99cobra2881]

Im sure they would share their address so you can send them one 😆

[@dirtbike165]

@@99cobra2881 I think it's safer in my possession, but thanks for suggesting! Lol

[@fluffyrider9467]

L3 filmless is apparently the most susceptible to damage but best in total darkness.

[@dirtbike165]

@@fluffyrider9467 They are more sensitive. Most of the things he does in this video would almost instantly ruin my tube. I get those tracing marks from fractions of a second of exposure to all kinds of light sources, even the moon.

[@knowtheplan472]

This is insanely useful content, especially for night vision airsofters who deal with lasers being shined at people’s faces. Props to you for sacrificing expensive tubes for science! Blows my mind eye safe lasers don’t instantly destroy NVGs

[@ryanmuro]

Yeah specially for them

[@doubleemcastillano464]

This is valuable information for the entire night vision community as a whole. I think we need to test a bunch of different brands of tubes. Hopefully this will catch on and the Riches will assist in the research.

[@johnflank8135]

I can confirm that Omni 8 GP tubes are blemished instantly if straifed with a PEQ15 on vis high. Gen 3 has a higher light amplification and will blem way quicker than this Gen 2 tube in the video.

[@BoomBoomChicky]

Waaaait... Did you run Brass Facts voice through an AI voice generator to use in this video?

[@willblack7353]

Sounds like it

[@conorw999]

Yeah, those mispronunciations around 20:25 stand out a bit

[@MrDustinclement]

Interesting… the time stamps I thought were on purpose. It’s “1 minute fourduh five” and there’s more but I thought for sure that was a joke. I just came here to say I loved the commentary and saw this comment lol. The one about the poors coming after you with their flashlights cracked me up

[@Lulzmango]

Amazing

[@coleudall14]

I had to keep replaying parts of the video because it was so weird And then I put it together! Lol

[@revvyishonisd5027]

I turned the lights on while wearing my L3 unfilmed and it took me a few seconds to realize what I did cause everything just looked the same as it did the lights off, except a little better lol. No negative effects.

[@falconclaw_]

sometimes we just lucky like that

[@jackdangers3292]

autogating

[@revvyishonisd5027]

@@jackdangers3292 I don’t even think it triggered the auto gating. Auto gain kicked in for sure but it may have not even crossed the threshold of too much light to make it start gating. It was with a 14 so when I hit the lights I could see fine with my unaided eye, as intended, and the NV image through my aided eye also just looked like totally perfectly fine and clear. Everything looked normal and great lol. So it took me a few seconds to be like oh shit I’m using night vision with the lights on 😂😂. Totally not a problem at all.

[@jackdangers3292]

@@revvyishonisd5027 love my unfilmed l3, but i use elbit more

[@PaulMcDonagh-rv6vc]

@@jackdangers3292 Elbit XLSH? Love mine.

[@touching_grass]

Would love to see a modern tube. I'm glad these devices are more rugged than most think

[@gum_man0843]

But what if Timmy uses his nods while welding?

[@wherenowhow6037]

Timmy would be a blind MOFO. LOL

[@jbh759]

What if Timmy wears NODs during a nuclear blast?

[@falconclaw_]

we thought about that, that is something for the next video... maybe also Timmy on nuclear watch post?

[@wherenowhow6037]

@@jbh759 Timmy will have a super gain high FOM unit. LOL

[@1991apfel]

Yes ply do that. Afterward send me the tube. (I need new PSUs for 2 tubes)

[@1991apfel]

The cathode was Permanently damaged after the 1st tests. That is evidently by the highlight burns that disappear in low light. A screenburn will always be visible, a Cathodeburn only during highlight. The reasong is that even a burned cathode can produce some electrons and when the surrounding (unburned) cathode also produce obly some electrons the diference isnt that big. Only in highlight the diference is big enough to show on screen... Also blackboxing only helps against Catgode damage, and on gen 3 the best effect is with gated tubes...

[@linux-usr]

Damn, this was hard to watch but it was really fascinating! Thanks for doing these test as I was always interested on how much abuse an intensifier tube can take.

[@Triangle26]

Phenomenally valuable content - well earned sub. My vote is for a thin filmed Gen 3, perhaps an XLSH.

[@Toringar]

This is AMAZING information. As a gen2+ user I appreciate :)

[@apocolipse360]

Thanks for making this, my unit has 2 small blems and I've been afraid of making it worse but maybe I shouldn't worry so much. I'm still going to be careful with it tho.

[@falconclaw_]

Better to be safe than sorry👍

[@joquin4618]

This is gold !!! Thanks for putting in the work to make this happen. 👌👍🙌

[@vand3l]

As a vet who had someone kick on a light generator while wearing my NOD, i can safely say it doesn't matter what the light source is. You are gonna rip those things off your head so fast and run away holding your eyes. It's PHYSICALLY painful. You FEEL it. The back of my eyes had a dull, hammering feeling for about 30 minutes after and I was COMPLETELY BLIND for about 5 minutes.

[@breadm8101]

I used to joke about what a flash bang would look like under nods💀

[@flacostacos3144]

Lies

[@MrLahey69]

you are a liar

[@blackflametl]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you've probably never worn nods in your life lol😂

[@reese4077]

Nearly didn't subscribe bc I thought I was watching brass facts (in which I'm already subbed). It's insane how similar you sound and the quality of content. Looking forward to more 👍🏻

[@mcfixer9503]

for the record afaik that's a Brass Facts voice AI, because they're estonian

[@2001yz250rider1]

Good to know what will actually damage tubes. Doing these videos will help people know what to really be careful of.

[@MrDiegosmm]

It still hurts :D But thanks for this guys! You guys could test an ECHO tube. Also stare at fire, it burns tubes really fast idk why.

[@falconclaw_]

For the science 💪Fire is a interesting idea, definitely noted

[@michaelvick2872]

Fire(and all heat sources) give off a lot of infrared. But open flame is basically like a giant infrared emitter, it’s how the heat transfers through the air after all

[@ItsKato]

I want you to smoke a cigar while wearing your NV, it's like a floodlight everytime you take a puff. Fire and heat throw off tons of IR radiation.

[@Yogurtstorm]

Amazing tests, thanks for doing it! It makes the purchase of night vision feel less like buying a fragile glass jar that would break at the slightest accident

[@nickjohnson8780]

Thank you for all the work and sacrifice and put into this test. Very insightful seeing how these real world concerns effect actual usage as well as comparing their results from old to new tubes

[@BriickTX]

Great video, great information. Can't wait for the modern NVG video. I'd prefer Photonis, but would be happy with whatever. I am now going to go stare at the sun with NVGs.

[@AlexsEquipmentCorner]

I got a old Gen 3 ITT thick filmed tube, literally indestructible

[@ienjoy8008s]

dude, this was aweome, i expect this channel will blow up in the next few years

[@Truckboy383]

Thanks for the detailed info, sir. Much appreciated.

[@DontDoDaylight]

Fascinating! Great production.

[@daepicpigeon3274]

Great video. Very informative and packed full of information. You guys should do an in depth dive into the efficacy of blackboxing!

[@SourpatchAirsoft]

You have 5,000 likes on this video now. Time to uphold your promise ❤️

[@DjAlonDevil]

You guys forgot to do moon tests, thermal overlays would've been nice to see too.

[@FakieStreams]

Hey you should pause at like 10:20 the beam of light looks really cool.

[@rekerboi1125]

You should do one more test- take a night vision device with a tube inside, have it turned off, and place it outside with the objective lens pointed towards the sun on a clear sunny day. People have reportedly suffered permanent damage to their tubes photocathode or phosphor screen due to this, but I'm unaware of anyone testing this yet.

[@falconclaw_]

There was a big debate about this between NVG companies, but no examples by non of these. Good idea, we will try it next time.

[@rekerboi1125]

@FalconClaw thank you. I'm an Optics tech, work on these things in the military. From what I've been told, know, and heard, it shouldn't happen. L3 stands by this also and apparently one guy from them said it cant happen. The photocathode and phosphor screen are only active when they are energized with a supply of power from the battery. Otherwise, both are just walls that nothing can pass through. Imo- large amounts of light hitting the photocathode shouldn't do anything to it, but MAYBE, over a long period of time like a few hours, the sun's rays will most likely collimate and physically burn it, causing a permanent blem. I heard stories of this happening with day filters on, specifically those with one hole in them. More ideas- you could try this with and without the daylight filter, and with the device properly focused to infinity and completely out of focus for a total of 4 different scenarios.

[@DEARERFOB771]

Look up we tested night vision myths it’s an hr long video but u can skip through it they did exactly that

[@seiser42]

Very cool video! Super great information with commentary that's entertaining as well. I'm currently trying to build a PVS-14 over time due to crazy costs and budget. That being said I'd definitely run that tube with it's end results. Especially if I can find it at a good price. This video is vital information & makes me feel not so bad about looking at older tubes for purchasing haha. 10/10 got a subscriber this time.

[@alexanderfrazier8840]

Great vid. Well put together.

[@Tattlebot]

Also you have to consider what light you are looking at. Home LED is well and good, but a 1 kW high pressure sodium lamp has its peak emission in a NIR sodium line. HID and incandescent have multiples of energy in the NIR range. This coincides with another reply warning of fires.

[@sergibema2826]

Awesome content guys! Looking forward to seeing this tests applied to a Photonis Echo tube.

[@ethanbarnes3973]

It seems to me people destroy them by leaving them on pointed at a static light source for an extended period. I'm glad to know short exposure shouldn't result in insane damage fast.

[@awsomedude9111]

Kinda want to see you use a LEP flashlight, but overall the video was great info. Would like to see Perst or Luna ELIR

[@juladeconne]

Thanks a lot ! ❤

[@micahmayfield]

this was sick

[@nathanlittle154]

wow awesome video and production quality!

[@mattweger437]

I'm pretty sure newer tubes are even more immune than older ones as they're gated and cut power during a light spike

[@falconclaw_]

That's something we have to figure out/prove in part 2 ;)

[@RusInfVis1986]

That was awesome video! Thank you very much!

[@OpieInTheSmokies]

Doing the lords work my friends. Good video.

[@inthesauce]

it should be noted that on an elbit wp tube, that flashlight test would leave significant streaking and burns spots, that would obscure vision for a few minutes at least. lower spec tubes are actually able to eat a significant more amount of light with no marking.

[@chadkhl1690]

The content is great stuff but the tone of the video was awesome! As an EU resident, I'm looking forward to buying my first tubes from you guys in the near future

[@falconclaw_]

Our chat box is always open

[@MOUNTAINBROTHERACTUAL]

It would also be cool to see if an LIF can actually mitigate the damage from high powered lasers as they claim to be able to do.

[@falconclaw_]

Worth a shot to visualize as well. We tried one with Holosun laser - yes, HIGH VIS green laser through one LIF reduced laser strength on pointed wall.

[@1991apfel]

The lif only works against some specific lasers though, but it might still help...

[@johnadams673]

We should crowdfund this test on a modern tube because just running high IR across a reflective surface will leave dark snake trails on an l3 tube, so 30 seconds would absolutely mess it up.

[@Rally_Armaments]

Anymore tips like "black boxing" the nvg setup? I never heard of that before and was super interesting to see work. Thanks for the video and sacrificing a tube for science!

[@falconclaw_]

There are some blog posts around the internet about it

[@jaxxer5447]

I have a high end Omni 7 with a big round laser blem in. I use it as my "fuck around" set. Blems happen quite quickly there with laser in complete darkness, or in daylight.

[@Expung3d_]

Awesome video I never expected to see

[@ibingly]

Wonderful video. Thank you!

[@alexwang007]

There is ABC or auto brightness control, these are very common on modern gen 2.5 or gen 3 tubes, they can work fine in room light. Different techniques exist for controlling the brightness for damage mitigation, such as MCP bias current limit, photocathode to MCP bias current limit. The phosphor is usually what gets fried, but I am not aware of any circuitry in popular tubes for controlling the vtage or current in respond to over bright scenerios. The bias for phosphor is on the order of 5000 volts.

[@horizonmedia8394]

Most NVD/G’s come with built in ABC/BSP aka Automatic Brightness control and Bright Source Protection. One changes the amount of Volts powering the NVD/Gs themselves hence dimming them and the other recognizes dangerous magnitudes of lights and cancels it out by eliminating the portion where electrical light energy from the photo cathode gets sent into the MCP where electrons are multiplied. Awesome tests, fascinating stuff

[@biobeast1179]

Amazing video, lots of information.

[@project_poor_runner]

While sitting in Kuwait waiting to launch into Baghdad, my 240 Gunner thought it’d be funny to shine his laser into my 7 Bravos…. 😂. Guess who got a brand new set of PVS14’s? This guy.

[@falconclaw_]

Absolute madlad ...probably too many ripits

[@alphawolfgang173]

great video! underrated channel! subscribing!

[@Pr1zzm]

0:08 - I had to walk across the room and verify mine were off lol. Thanks for the paranoia!

[@dang879]

One thing you never got I sometimes get on mine when exposed to high light sources is little hexagon patterns like a mesh around the edges.

[@lock7852]

Same,just last nite while stargazing while walking it happened twice too me when i took in a little too much streetlights acrosss the cemetary,i just cover the lens and it goes away,weird right?i got a wolf14 gen2+wp,you?Just asking to see if maybe a agm thing

[@dang879]

@@lock7852 Its common on all but L3 unfilmed honestly. I get it on my Elbit XLSH high specs and photonis. Im glad it goes away but 1st time you experience it, freaks you out. Someone told me its common on older tubes and as they warm up the problem goes way all together.

[@lock7852]

@@dang879 man i appreciate the info,it was funny seeing your comment as last night was the 1st time it happened and then did it twice and was hoping its no biggie,im on my 1st nod so still learning alot, thanks again man🤘

[@SushiArmageddon]

As someone who has floaters the damaged tube is less obstructed than my normal vision.

[@PETRAS_]

Very informative guys, thankss

[@12iceman]

I’d love to see how an Elbit White Phosphor tube reacts to this test!

[@radekm.7654]

This is video we all needed

[@Dogtub]

Nice! Good knowledge

[@Death-Cross]

Dude way you put in that helmet in tarsh U r a lucky man dude really airsoft guns , and all gear like US special force it's my dream really this item's no here in India 😔😭

[@abowlofoatmealio3702]

Great video!

[@philtherhythm]

Clap on lights that react to sex smacks must be a hilarious yet bothersome phenomena

[@scottbonnell23]

Well done video. Subbed

[@TRINITYIMPERAT]

Nice, good video, thanks.

[@NBK-ro4sz]

I've been designing a countermeasure with IR LEDs and IR dot lasers, this is very helpful 🙏

[@breadm8101]

I've gotten so used to running NVG for hours when I'd have connection on my phone I'd pull it out and for some reason it'd automatically be on full brightness and blind me and put a temporary mark on my NVG 💀 As long as its not prolonged you'll be ok

[@alfonsogumucio7354]

Me : thinking what organ to sell so I can buy a night vision to defend my house. You: "let's torture a night vision device boys"

[@falconclaw_]

forthesience

[@mikekrauss8143]

“There are actually guys who would still run this.” Can I get a Rah for all my marines who had to deal with broken PVS-14s 🤣

[@falconclaw_]

Rah

[@unagi8886]

good video.... Is the narration artificially produced ?

[@falconclaw_]

maaybe

[@maxamick9962]

When you test a new tube please look at a full moon, would be really interested.

[@osmacar5331]

The instant damage could be optical persistence. From your eyes.

[@cityofbricks]

AWESOME!!

[@wgwta]

Good video!

[@Joker18336]

The Harry Potter part got a subscribe from me. Keep up the good work.

[@kolka111]

Great video, loads of useful info, but why am I so stressed when watchining this xD

[@claymore_roomba]

I have always wondered if it was possible to see gamma radiation with NVGS. There has been a few cases where you could see a gamma particle hitting the camera sensor

[@1991apfel]

Yes you can see it, but its realy inefficient. The radiation has to have the right energy (extra strong), direction and your tube has to have the right gain settings and thr screen material has to match. As a fact most tubes seem to be more sensitive to temperature (wich manifests in noice) or beta radiation (a problem in some old Gen 1 devices with radioactive lenses) than to gamma radiation. In essence when you realy see the radiation, you are dead...

[@CHGOfficial512]

Lõpuks ometi midagi kohalikku. Finally something local to me. (Estonia)

[@chef-dp7hz]

Amazing stuff

[@-jimmyjames]

@15:21 and many other side by side comparisons tube is rotated 180, 90 etc just saying. Please try to keep tube at same degree for quick pattern reference for us awe tistzzz. lol. Very good and informative content thanks

[@rsoftokz]

very educationnal video: what you have to learn is about phosphore properties (why there are black dots aeras you can only see in certain conditions) and what is called " fovea", a known phenomena of our eye that is also visible on tubes when exposed on a light image for long ( and that could disappear with balck box ).

[@falconclaw_]

We will look into that and will include an analogy in the next vid, thanks for the head up

[@1991apfel]

The temporary spots are most likely in the cathode....

[@irodwen]

is the narrator a TTS program? if so its pretty impressive.

[@thesysop4998]

Damn nice epilepsy warning

[@cocodragon10]

Nice! So you actually are Estonian.

[@triplex3459]

3:47 I was watching video in dark room and almost got seizure 😂

[@autonomousdefense]

solid video

[@Tattlebot]

Have you tried 365nm UV as an illuminator with Photonis? it should have out of band properties against GaAs. Even better, gear contains heaps of long chain polymer and fluorescent dyes which will give FLIR like contrast. I've tried asking a few different channels about it, but they don't seem to show any enthusiasm. $10 will get you a 3.7V torch with a quite good bandpass filter which blocks visible light well.

[@MSKommando]

Digital Night Vision is the Future. In 5-6 years hopefully digital reach to gen2+. And no worry about destroy a NVG by light or drop. I own no NVG right now by myself(but have a lot of time behind it). I think i go to the sionyx Opsin because its fits my habbits better and in europe a new NVG Mono is to expensive (New Echo+ ist like 4500-5000€ + Mount to fit it for the G24). With Sionxy Opsin i get all for 2600€. And i dont want buy used NVG because no warranty and i dont know how the nvg was abused by the owner before. I try the sionyx Opsin and See what is the result.

[@Gartson875]

Don’t they are useless I have one

[@Nightmare10311]

gimme a link to that nvg, it has such a wide FOV

[@Mattipazz0]

Do you fellas ship anywhere in Europe and to civilians as well?

[@falconclaw_]

Anywhere quickly within EU, everything else depends on country. Of course also to civs as well 😌

[@Mattipazz0]

@@falconclaw_ thank you very much, that’s great to hear

[@Harmless_medic]

This is fantastic! We need this on a gen 3 tube. Make a go fund me to buy a new gen 3 tube!

[@falconclaw_]

Have have plenty of Gen3 tubes if we get enough interest ;)

[@IAMStormyNautilus]

This is very cool! I'm curious about how older gen tubes will fare against light tests like these. I'm a poor with a gen 1 magnified monocular and I'm wondering how it might fare mounted to a rifle for milsim. Just the idea of some OPFOR panning a gazillion lumen light across me makes me anxious. Does anyone have any advice? Besides uh... getting a better job

[@ericcicero5853]

Because i love my shotgun and all the fun ammo types it comes with. I was curious as to how a flash bang might hinder your vision through the tubes. I was always thinking in a no light close quarter situation, aside from throwing madd 00 buck down the hallway, a quick flash bang round to start would get the disorientation going.

[@SuperAgentPixel]

L3 or elbit wp tube next!

[@masaruiwata4118]

doing gods work gents

[@larrylove293]

What was the brand or name of the old Night Vision you were doing the test with? Please let me know, Thank you for your time

[@gunplaytv]

Well bro hit 5k...

[@falconclaw_]

Working on it, stay tuned.

[@seennotheard8888]

The sun fixed the previous black spots from the laser :O

[@raghhhhhhhhhghgh]

ayyy that helm was from estonia and so am i!