We Put NBA Championship Teams In A Tier List

Today we do an NBA championship team tier list! #nba
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[@thedeep3pod]

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[@mateuszsyrzycki6814]

Jordan finals HOF players: Pippen vs magic, worthy,divac 1=3 Pippen vs drexler 1=1 Pippen vs Barkley 1=1 Pippen Rodman vs Payton 2=1 Pippen rodman vs Stockton, malone 2=2 Pippen rodman vs Stockton malone 2=2 Total: 9vs10 Lebron finals HOF players: None vs Duncan, parker, Ginobili 0=3 Wade, bosh vs nowitzki, Kidd 2=2 Wade bosh vs durant, Westbrook, harden 2=3 Wade, bosh, r Allen vs duncan, parker, ginobili, leonard 3=4 Wade,bosh, r Allen vs duncan, parker Ginobili, leonard 3=4 None vs curry, Thompson, green 0=3 Irving, love vs curry, Thompson, green 2=3 Irving, love vs curry, Thompson, green, durant 2=4 Love vs curry, Thompson, green, durant 1=4 A Davis, Howard vs butler 2=1 Total: 17vs31 Jordan 9vs10 hof Lebron 17vs31 hof

[@razkable]

I don't want to hate but 01 kobe was not 06 kobe....everyone overrated the lakers bench and their depth and the league back then....they had a top duo all time in an era of 1 man led teams....

[@Josh_edit124]

@@mateuszsyrzycki6814pp pop pp

[@peacetotheworld5051]

Y'all should do a tier list of finals runner-ups, that would be interesting

[@thedeep3pod]

I like that! Ima add that to the list

[@tationns]

agreed! do this pls

[@trnxkz4764]

great idea bro

[@rojeliocastro9733]

17 Cavs were better than the 16 squad tbh

[@roronoazorro9509]

​@rojeliocastro9733 those 17 Cavs were something else with the talent they could add with the cap spike. Better than any LeBron Heat team in the playoffs IMO.

[@michaelcasiano2340]

2014 Spurs have to be mentioned. Epitomized an excellent passing game and beat the Heat by a record setting margin which solidified LeBrons Cleveland return. Chris Bosh even quoted this squad as the best team he’s ever seen. A reach by todays standards, but still worth mentioning

[@ryanhahn3651]

They’re S tier. I think when talking about the GOAT team it’s them, the 96 Bulls, 17 Warriors, 86 Celtics, 01 Lakers

[@nathanwhyte9048]

Spurs beating heat didn’t make lebron go to Cleveland casual there’s a backstory. A fan ran on the court with a shirt saying “come back lebron” on the front and on the back it said “we love you” in Cleveland and lebron talked about it and also rich Paul his friend talked about going back to Cleveland with lebron

[@captainobvious90]

​@@nathanwhyte9048 but i thought LeBron was gonna win 7-8 championship with the Heat 😂

[@michaelsevilla3697]

​@@nathanwhyte9048so if lebron 3peated with the heat he still goes back to the cavs? 😂 yeah right 🤡 smh ✌️

[@N12d]

"Well oiled machine" I was watching the heat vs the spurs live when that finals was happen in 2014 at a bar, thats what a guy kept shouting when the spurs were winning. The spurs were just so well coached, I always found it fascinating how awesome manu/parker/tim were together

[@DragonPupEclipse]

Putting 2011 Dallas team in C tier is a crime

[@UFunnyLowe]

Compared to the higher teams they just aren’t that good

[@neonato1806]

​@@UFunnyLoweweak argument. They topped the Heatles the first year they got together outta nowhere, but the 2020 lakers were considered a better team? 😂😂

[@Flare8124]

@@neonato1806 Needed LeBron to melt down and average 17ppg that Dallas defense is nowhere near the 2 Spurs teams he faced after lol If LeBron played like he did in those series it would have been a sweep

[@bachnguyenviet4289]

@@neonato1806 2020 Lakers would smack that 2011 mavs lol you don’t think twice about it, Lebron being a much more matured and experienced player with prime AD, surrounded by elite 3 and D guys. Even in 2011, if that series is played out again 10 times the heat would’ve won at least 8. Luck was definitely on the mavs side that year, took a horrible performance by Lebron, some insanely clutch plays for them to top the heat in 6.

[@zeaccu934]

Yeah, people forgot that this dallas team defeated kobe, kd, dwade, chris bosh and lebron in one playoff run

[@tube3183]

The disrespect to the 2011 Mavs is so crazy. They beat LeBron, Kobe, Durant, Wade, Harden, Westbrook, Bosh and Gasol in a single Playoff run and you debate, if they are C Tier??? Lol.

[@JoenFear333]

And they wanted to put them at D😭

[@spidamitchell8311]

Because that’s what makes it so impressive that they weren’t elite and beat all those guys

[@DarwinzTheoryz]

@@spidamitchell8311does that make it more impressive?

[@ghedneildagalea6958]

We're comparing them to the other teams on the list. I don't think that team is beating anyone above them

[@DarwinzTheoryz]

@@ghedneildagalea6958 makes sense

[@alfonsoclemente4404]

I'm going to say the most unpopular opinion. Dallas Mavericks championship team A or S. They dominated the playoffs and they had the better 5 players +/- ever. Closing lineup with kidd-terry-marion-dirk-chandler has better +/- than 2017 warriors closing with iggy and better than 96 bulls with kukoc

[@userunknown1578]

They also made sure LeBron would never be known as the true GOAT.

[@lincolnups]

true, they also swept kobe and beat the three headed monster on the heat (wade, bosh, bron)

[@rumbelstiltskin1862]

@@userunknown1578 L, Lebron didn't choke, Mark Cuban already made skip bayless look stupid for saying this. The mavs ran a triangle zone and the heat were stupid and had a lesser player like wade run the point. The mavs saw an opporunity to run a triangle zone and kept 3 players between Lebron and the ball the entire series. You don't have the best player in the league run off ball like that when he dominates the point because of this scheme Lebron got very few touches and only average 18 on 52% shooting. He shot very well when he got the ball. That defense would have worked against Jordan too. The heat didn't adjust and lost the series. The next year they had Lebron running point and he went back to back. Stop hating and learn ball. (Not saying Lebron is the goat but what you just said about him never being the goat over this series shows how little you understand basketball defenses and zone schemes and how much they impact the game.)

[@Bigedub101]

​@@rumbelstiltskin1862exactly I hate how they act like that Dallas team was so had and Swept Lakers which I never thought happen

[@jarekdelgado7436]

The mavs disrespect is crazy

[@gorcsauce696]

It’s not how impressive run is it’s who the best team version of them self any warriors any heat after 2011 nuggets bulls 08 Celtics would beat them easily lol

[@repulse_]

F tier could be 1978 Washington Bullets. Regular season record of 44-38. Or 1979 Sonics.

[@Enzo575]

Ben Wallace out of everybody on that list is the only cover athlete for NBA 2K who went undrafted, and it's also an NBA champion

[@aidanszkutenko5093]

Jordan

[@Brooklyn94269]

2012 heat weren’t better than 2013 . Even tho Wade started to decline , 2013 heat had more depth with Ray, and Lebron was at his single season peak defensively and shooting wise

[@robertgibsonv7943]

Thank you I was like wtf

[@gumballwaterson1957]

@@joceja23 He faced the Thunder (young af team) in a lockout shortened season. Bron had proven before '12, he could be beat consistently whether or not his team had more talent and whether or not he was the "best" player before the series started. '12 he's losing to almost any repeat champ in history and a TON of other 1st time championship teams. That's simply based on his '07-'11 where the only upset he was apart of was vs. Pistons in '07 (and that's barely an upset).

[@Buckets_Daily]

MOST UNDERRATED PODCAST IN HISTORY ESPN SHOULD BE TAKING NOTES

[@Ferris_v2]

100%

[@hanleba3123]

This dude speaking fax right here

[@Santi_makes_videos]

Fr

[@johnwat9658]

Fr

[@Thetriouneeded]

Ikr

[@matthewjamal]

Steph Curry MVP season with Klay, Dray at their prime? A tier at least. I don't get that one especially when they were a better team than Nuggets currently are.

[@brandonhagin]

Same for kobe, pau, world peace, Bynum, Odom, fisher team was legit

[@RonRyder]

The fact that they're a lower tier than the 2020 Lakers doesn't sit right with me, and I'm a Laker fan 😂

[@Grievous_]

@@RonRyderTHANK YOU!!!!!!!! Ive been commenting the same thing all over the comments, the 2015 Warriors are WAXING the living shit outta the 2020 Lakers, to me Lebron’s 2015 Cavs squad was LEVELS better than his 2020 Lakers squad and it took us 6 games to defeat the Cavs (yes I know Kyrie got hurt) so that just tells me that the Warriors would beat the 2020 Lakers in either 5 or sweep them

[@peolfpetler8500]

Nah they weren't. Nuggets this year had it all, offense, defense, a player (if not 2) every game to pull them when they needed to. Imagine how strong they were when Porter was missing 4-5 matches in a row (3rd best player) and still managing to win and with a solid result. People still underestimate the Nuggets, but they really are a force of a team.

[@quintondorsey7362]

​@@peolfpetler8500nah, not better than that warriors team

[@Ferris_v2]

Yall always be giving me the best shootaround ear candy, i make podcast BUCKETS listening to you guys.

[@alex_MCMXCV]

This is one of the best compliments they could get imo. keep on that grind homie

[@jacksonchristmas1637]

Yall have such a chill podcast… so enjoyable to watch if you’re a basketball head

[@rawr_uwu_]

I think 2023 Nuggets was A. Jamal Murray on the Joker together with their supporting cast, (Which was pretty good) was a killer combo.

[@studmuffin9465]

04’ Pistons would run through the East right now.

[@n.willy4864]

probably

[@allabouthewaves4354]

They can’t defend like they use to. Their defense would be spread out.

[@nathanwhyte9048]

Nah. Handchecking isn’t allowed and refs are soft so they would have 3+ fouls by the end of half

[@dougnapier6441]

I think in the future, a way to rank these teams is to think if you were to redo the playoffs 10 times how many times would they win again, and how would they do against a better team.

[@baradureye2170]

Fax, I was happy for Garnett but that one Celtics chip is easily the most milked championship run of all time, hell it gave fkin Perkins an espn job!😂

[@repulse_]

Doc Rivers too

[@bobbybunn1467]

I like these short ones,hope to see more 3pod!🏀

[@ambroisegossin2419]

Bruh 2015 warriors are a or b

[@spidamitchell8311]

Good ranking with the nuggets

[@AdamHammond-]

These guys' generic/historic hoops knowledge is top-tier. Their analysis (breakdown games and such) is mid (way better than ESPN, of course), but their generic knowledge is impressive.

[@tomandjerry5491]

I have been watching this channel for a while and it's the first sport channel that i actually like because their chemistry as host is super good. Issac- The knowledgeable guy Mo- The comedian Don- The roaster Wishing you success and always gonna watch ur vid (Sorry for the bad english)

[@spidamitchell8311]

Well said

[@iggysup]

Thinking about an F tier championship team is tough, since you actually have to be really fucking good to win an NBA championship.

[@melbonesarra2821]

Yes. OR the championship team is lame and it's opposing team is just lamer than them.

[@shenaniganszxc57]

2022 Warriors is close to it. They're really ass without Steph that year, with 2nd and 3rd best players Wiggins and Poole. Dray was washed that year in terms of offense. Steph really carried and willed that team to a ring.

[@dxfifa]

@@shenaniganszxc57 Yeah well the 2023 Nuggets would have been pure buns without Jokic, the 2016 cavs without Bron etc

[@dxfifa]

2004 Pistons are the answer

[@justdoit8360]

I was also thinking about the 22 warriors and also the 19 raptors for the F tier

[@vasilsaralidze6333]

Me personally would maybe put the 2015 Warriors in B tier but other than that pretty good list

[@KevindurantburnerAcount]

One of my favorite podcasts

[@mysteriousviper8]

Looking back in a few years, you'll see how everyone doubted the Nuggets. And they were an S tier because they fought off teams of superstars and were counted out due to that. Murray and Jokic will grow even better.

[@Ilestun]

If Nuggets can achieve a dynasty like the MJ-Pippen Bulls and the Shaq-Kobe Lakers did.....they will be considered S tier.

[@joshp146]

Best defensive team - bulls with Rodman , Pippen & Jordan Best offensive team - warriors with curry , klay , & Durant Most athletic - heat with Lebron & Wade Most fun to watch - heat with Lebron & Wade & all them shooters Most clutch team - Celtics with Paul pierce , Ray Allen , KG team with best passing & most chemistry - biggest with Jokic , Murray & all the role players & bench Team with best & most impressive run - Mavericks with Dirk

[@habibdaulay2312]

Most chimestry=2014 spurs

[@vindeshjiwatramani6561]

2:19 has to be the most accurate fact I’ve ever heard

[@ESERoadTo1.5K]

Great Video! So underrated as a podcast

[@JTF.PRODZZ]

W ese for watching td3

[@ESERoadTo1.5K]

@@JTF.PRODZZ lolllll. We meet again

[@tationns]

hello there i watch these guys too

[@tationns]

@@JTF.PRODZZyooo

[@JTF.PRODZZ]

@@tationns wwww

[@YepNah]

Biased as a Canadian but was curious where Toronto would have ranked. Probably D tier, but maybe could have snuck C as there were some players like Vanvleet and Siakam where people didn't know how good they were yet.

[@harryholden9089]

Donovan is the funniest nba fan ever 😂😂

[@ambroisegossin2419]

Bruh Denver 2023 better than Warriors 2015 and Lakers 2020 😂😂😂

[@Jaded1221]

Putting 2020 lakers (bubble tournament) To B tier then 2011 Dallas to C? You smokin?

[@superiorgaming9399]

My tier list looks pretty similar, but there are a few changes I would make: S: 96 Bulls, 01 Lakers A: 2023 Nuggets, 2013 Heat B: 2015 Warriors, 08 Celtics, 2010 Lakers, 95 Rockets C: 2020 Lakers, 2011 Mavs D: F:

[@jb_________27]

BEST HOOPING POD

[@Clicxisnotgooder]

Legendary video

[@KDP1004]

Huh? 95 rockets were the lowest seed to ever win a championship. They beat a 62 win spurs team lead by reigning mvp David Robinson, a 59 win suns team led by Barkley, Kevin Johnson and Dan Marley , and a 57 win magic led by Penny and Shaq

[@kennycodes]

I’m surprised the Spurs didn’t get any love

[@haoye2413]

I am not surprised, everyone choose to forget Tim Duncan and the Spurs in any conversation. Its a crime NBA has against them.

[@kennycodes]

@@haoye2413 Agreed. It's a shame

[@Curry30Kobe]

fun fact about the 2020 lakers the lakers were up in the 3rd 53 times and there record in those games was 53-0

[@yodatscrazy981]

Crazy how ignore the 2020 Lakers beating a Heat team missing their 2nd and 3rd best players and then proceeded to knock a 15 Warriors for beating a Cavs team missing their 2nd and 3rd best players 😂

[@ogloc420]

pistons made the conference finals for 6 straight years, thats extremely impressive

[@user-xk3en1tj2e]

Bluds are blinded with nostalgia soo badly😂

[@JTF.PRODZZ]

Best pod I have ever seen

[@ESERoadTo1.5K]

Frrrr

[@JTF.PRODZZ]

@@ESERoadTo1.5K f fr

[@peilock7103]

Y’all are smoking straight rocks with that mavs rating

[@fkm512]

Think you’re underrating the 04 pistons a fair amount tbh

[@MarkMcKimm]

The 23 nuggets over the 08 Celtics is nasty 💀

[@Flare8124]

Nuggets played the silly Twolves, no bench Suns, 7th seed Lakers with LeBron playing his worst playoff basketball and AD only showing up every other game and the 8th seed Heat, people said LeBron had an easy path when he faced a better Heat team in 2020 lol. Would have been called a weak ring if LeBron had won.

[@psy__]

As someone who is new to basketball, I didn't understand the comment about Barbosa. Was he bad or something?

[@JoseTubeHD]

The fact the 2014 spurs didnt get mentioned is crazy

[@yankees9997]

The 1986 Celtics had Birds 3rd MVP season and went 50-1 at home that year

[@eddiechase305]

2023 nuggets were great but I can't give them A tier because they faced 2 8 seeds (one of which was their opponent in Finals), a four seed and a 7 seed in WCF. Not saying they're great, but that should knock them down a few tiers. Sad because that team was solid.

[@pewpew1707]

That Heat team struggled a lot during playoffs. A tier at most

[@shadowmamba95]

I would put the 08 Celtics lower (C or D). You can tell me how deep the team is, but when you take 7 games for each of the first 2 rounds against a Hawks team with a losing record (38-44) and a Cavs team whose runner-up players are Mo Williams, and a washed Big Z, I cannot put them above a C.

[@lmm616]

Rockets at D is disrespectful, they had to go around four different 60 win teams that were all no joke

[@TheSnisel]

The 08 celtics and the 11 mavs were seriously disrespected. All the others I can agree with

[@asset282]

Idea: all-time NBA teams, but playsrs cant repeat (i.e. lebron would be on the cavs, so he cant be on the miami all-time team)

[@mack7845]

You guys should do NBA lineups but only with players who only won only 1 MVP in their whole careers

[@eddiechase305]

As much as I do not like the '08 Celtics, you need to give them their proper credit. They literally went from worst to first following the KG and Pierce trades. *24 wins to 66. That is an insane turnaround. Their overall squad was great with Rondo. That needs to be A tier. And they beat the Lakers who were a 1 seed.

[@plejdjddashfan8520]

They also beat Lebron James in a game 7

[@Mitchel1809]

Saying the 04 Pistons that low is wild. Arguably the greatest defensive team oat

[@dinonuggietrickshot4157]

We put nba players” in an A Tier list” so if they are all A

[@thesun5300]

Putting 2011 dallas champ in c is a war

[@daxmoney5011]

2012 heat was a lockout year. Also my lord and savior Derrick Rose got hurt and was never the same.

[@gtgaming612]

underrated

[@cjp1599]

The disrespect of the 2015 warriors... this is basically the same team that a year later won 73 and a game away from being the best team ever...

[@qy0217qyqyqy]

As a lakers fan, that “AD had a jumper” really hurt me and made me sad😢

[@drey6111]

2013 heat won 27 games in a row bruh and had ray allen, had their peak chemistry with Lebron at physical apex

[@bend_min7274]

i mean the nuggets faced a team who went through and game 7 and almost choked a 3-0 lead so thats my thoughts i mean according to finals best player on each team bam was better than jimmy (according to the nba)

[@agooddrawingofme2639]

They were an 8th seed tho the Celtics should’ve swiped them

[@bend_min7274]

jaylen didnt really show good in that series@@agooddrawingofme2639

[@3Dgaymer]

If I know one thing about these vids it's that when I watch one of these tier lists I should not take anything warriors related seriously, the hate is real

[@therealguy7391]

You shouldn’t take anything serious from these clowns

[@user-ef5fr7ck9j]

What about 2017 warriors?

[@Niklaus870]

If 2011 werent as talented , then how in bluehell did they win? This guys are hilarious

[@sean666999100]

2011 mavericks run is S tier

[@lucasliam6955]

Ohohohohoho so much fun 😂 😁

[@AllenIverson_AI]

bro if these mfs think 2023 nuggets were better than the prime warriors they wild. i mean 2023 didnt have any good team except mimi led my jimmy and that it, old bron, old steph, no giannis, trash harden and embiid, celtics defeated by jimmy, grizzlies defeated bby lakers, kings defeated by warriors. bro they had play 3 games that was full of crap 💀💀💀💀

[@A.13865]

About the nuggets that were against 3 play in teams

[@ryanmorrissey6960]

What is Anthony Davis gonna Do when Hakeem uses the dream shake

[@LeapingRat]

talking about championship teams without a mention of the Spurs lol

[@micahdavis1369]

Idk about the Rockets at D, you telling me Robert Horry, Sam Cassell, Mario Elie, Otis Thorpe, and Tracy Murray aren’t a good supporting cast 😭😭. Vernon Maxwell could lock up Klay Thompson.

[@micahdavis1369]

For those of y’all that couldn’t tell this was satirical. I’m a massive Rockets fan but yes the 95 team was very top heavy. And by top heavy I mean Hakeem was the whole team

[@UFunnyLowe]

Vernon max would mess around and trip curry tired of all that running😂

[@Enzo575]

Do the ' 73 Knicks

[@uwupandaXD]

2011 Mavericks disrespect is crazy

[@weebish3437]

wth dirk has one of the hardest rings fr

[@4ksburning162]

When all the players says Bubble was the hardest champions run.. Lol fans and Analysist : Micky mouse ring

[@gumballwaterson1957]

'12 Heat as S Tier is wild. Lockout shortened season. Can't say you dominated the playoffs if it takes you 7 games to beat anyone, especially an old and injured Celtics team. No lockout year/season shortened year team should get S tier. In fact, I think only teams that should be in S-Tier are ones where there's no way a series between any S-Tier team is going less than 6 games. '12 Heat are getting mopped by '01 Lakers or '96 Bulls.

[@jakemann6240]

Lmao if they ran it back 3 more years would they make it to the finals again? They sure did lol

[@ausera1409]

2011 Mavericks beat the big 3 Heat and dominated the defending Laker champs. They should atleast be in B.

[@JamesMiller-lb3sk]

They forgot to mention the 2016 Finals

[@stevenhaymon2441]

Detroit is a C tier at minimum, probably B tier.

[@XX-fp6xe]

no way y’all put 2015 warriors below that 2020 lakers lmfaoaooaoao

[@flizzy4645]

Nuggets A tier is aging like milk rn it’s a C tier

[@samuelajt12]

Diff year boz0

[@chasedoesstuff7810]

You did the rockets dirty bro

[@IcedCoffeeCrazy]

Mavs hate is real

[@silkysmoothsav]

So y’all just blatantly Celtics haters at this point😭 2023 nuggets a tier above the 2008 Celtics? What a joke

[@Grievous_]

And Warriors haters, the most blasphemous thing ive seen someone do, rank the bubble Lakers over the 2015 Warriors, that 2015 Warriors team is a very VERY high A or a Low S tier

[@jhdivina]

08 celts should be a C at best. they’re easily the most talented team in the nba that year, but they struggled to close out all their eastern conference opponents. took them 7 games to finish the lowly hawks, 7 games to finish cavs with only lebron as their noteworthy player, 6 games to finish detroit which didnt even have a single superstar player. this to me is why the 08 celts are overrated. imo, they should be below or even with the 2015 warriors in this tier list.

[@buzzaryt9131]

Denver 2023 over Lakers 2020?? WoW Amazing

[@tobiaszmajerski8847]

Yall underratted the 2015 warriors they were a 1 seed 67-15 team with argurbley the best player at that time who won the mvp and great supporting cast.

[@Kp-2]

Saying the 2020 lakers are better than the 2010 Lakers, the 2011 Mavericks and the 2015 Warriors is crazy😭

[@DJ-ys9pv]

Def better than all of those teams and it’s not close really. Y’all try to discredit that chip but that team was stacked and running well and still built for the league.

[@Kp-2]

@@DJ-ys9pv so let me get this straight. The 2015 warriors won 67 games. And after after adding KD two years later most people consider them to be arguably the greatest team ever assembled. How the hell are they in C tier? You’re telling me one player took them from C tier to S tier? Also I simply cant compare the 2020 lakers journey to the 2011 Mavericks journey or the 2010 lakers. Both those teams had legendary playoff runs, the 2020 lakers to me would not have won of it were an actual playoff with teams traveling and fans in the stands and them getting 2 months off in the middle of the season really saved their season. The 2020 lakers struggled to beat the warriors in the play-in. And they really weren’t as stacked as people think. They had big names like dwight howard and rajon rondo but really this team was a past prime lebron and AD that simply won because of the circumstances.

[@RedDreamsOf1848]

@@Kp-2 The 2020 Lakers were the #1 seed with a top defense and on pace to win over 60 games before the covid pause, and they had a better winning pace before the pause than they did after it; you are confusing them being in the play-in in 2021. Losing home court advantage as the #1 seed disadvantaged the Lakers more than any other team in the Western conference; they had no injured players who came back able to play after the pause and instead lost a starter in Avery Bradley who refused to participate in the bubble.

[@David-mu8hn]

All I'm saying, there's a lot of LeBron riding here and Mavs disrespect

[@tapiwamutyavaviri-jv7zy]

08 celtics could be S tier on the most annoying teams to win the champ the way they milk that season 😂😂😂😂

[@blakewho6968]

The rockets disrespect is crazy tbh. Who guarding Hakeem???? Green?? Stop it 😂

[@JoSurvival123]

Great vid, but how y’all not put one spurs team on here.

[@ryanmorrissey6960]

The 2004 pistons are holding Anthony Davis and LeBron to 10 points per game combined and are winning 40 to 30