Shouldn't K.G be S because he won a MVP, DPOY and a ring within the 2000s. Also, Paul Pierce should be at least B as he won a Finals MVP
@Johnwick247_officialАй бұрын
@@thedeep3podhi
@bladefox5082Ай бұрын
@@thedeep3podkg was just as good as tim duncan at his peak
@derpydude2413Ай бұрын
@@thedeep3podnegative ball knowledge
@FootyInsights_Ай бұрын
@@bladefox5082 Ben Taylor/Thinking Basketball is smiling at this comment
@lRockyIАй бұрын
@@derpydude2413what did they say they deleted their comment
@X5J2UYАй бұрын
Dirk is definitely A-tier. He is always considered on a similar level as Wade and revolutionized his position. Most of his prime was also in the 2000s
@itachikamui966Ай бұрын
yeah but it’s not only based off of how good you are it’s also based off of your resume and if you said dirk was a top 25 player of all time (where most people rank him) then showed his 2000’s resume to someone they’d call you stupid and say he’s a fraud. he has good numbers but not even top 5 on this list and he simply has no resume.
@shazaalala28Ай бұрын
he was “considered” a similar level to wade, wade averaged 40 while down 2-0 during a finals series to win 4 straight games. dirk not better than wade.
@X5J2UYАй бұрын
@@shazaalala28 what? Dirk was an incredible playoff performer and never had the amount of talent that Wade had around him. Especially when Wade struggled to make the playoffs in the "weak" east for years. Still an all-time great but Dirk is just as great
@dawsonyount3005Ай бұрын
I get the playoff struggles, but man led 67 win western conference teams and had legit arguments for like 3 mvps.
@taptiotrevizo9415Ай бұрын
@@shazaalala28Dirks minutes outscored the heat in the 2006 finals.
@KillaMikhailАй бұрын
Peak Shaq makes up for all his bad years
@TofueyАй бұрын
Seriously if you fmvp 3 peat idc how the rest of the decade went that shit is S tier.
@KillaMikhailАй бұрын
@ right
@quinceysteward3670Ай бұрын
4 rings in 10 years
@jameglittlejohn858528 күн бұрын
I said that as I was watching. That’s how good his peak truly was!
@plasmawind3302Ай бұрын
Bro Paul Pierce is literally 17th all time scoring, what are we doing that man was a bucket 🤦🏼♂
@WyvergamerАй бұрын
They are talking about what he did in the 2000s not his whole career
@lando2519Ай бұрын
@@Wyvergamerhow does one watch a whole video premise and then list a career stat long stat lol
@InstanturАй бұрын
He is starting to become the most underrated player
@InstanturАй бұрын
@@lando2519he peaked in the 2000s
@easymoneyphil7Ай бұрын
Paul Pierce in C Tier is straight hatin.. All-Star the whole decade, 4th most points and a ring plus finals mvp. Completely insane to rank him next to T-Mac who never went out of the first round (which pierce managed pre big-3 two times in the 2000s btw)
@JuggadooshАй бұрын
It’s anti-Celtics behavior. Everyone can stay hating, we’re happy over here in New England 🤷🏻♂️
@malikwilson7387Ай бұрын
@@JuggadooshFacts
@bignano2758Ай бұрын
dirk should be A, been competing in the playoffs for the majority of the decade, he won mvp, been an all star almost all the decade
@BBlakey33Ай бұрын
Paul Pierce in C is crazy disrespectful
@yahiaali4059Ай бұрын
These guys are too young they probably don’t understand magnitude of Pierce going band for band with kobe and lebron.
@chilldoc9638Ай бұрын
Nope
@chilldoc9638Ай бұрын
@@yahiaali4059what? Never did, just cause he had a better team doesn’t mean anything😂
@yahiaali4059Ай бұрын
@@chilldoc9638 there many games where kg had less than 20 and Pierce had to carry them because this not Minnesota kg he took lesser role
@chilldoc9638Ай бұрын
@@yahiaali4059 what does that have to do with anything? He never went band for band with lebron or Kobe ever
@zstrikerlolАй бұрын
Idk if you should put 2000’s LeBron in S if we’re factoring in accomplishments. An mvp and finals run is good, but it’s A at best
@mrboombastic63Ай бұрын
absolutely disagree. Besides shaq, no one here peaked higher than bron in 2009, not even kobe. Mvp and finals run at just 22 years old his resume for 2003-2009 is more than enough also he was all star every year except for rookie year and the cavs were terribly managed at the time and could not find any decent pieces for lebron at all so No chip is not fault at all
@davidc.lalnelawma4776Ай бұрын
@@mrboombastic63 He's better than everyone in A, and he has a good excuse for the 0 rings. But when everyone else your tier has at least 3 rings, he kinda sticks out to me
@lRockyIАй бұрын
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776yea but when a player is so obviously a S+ level of player but everyone knows they just didnt have the level of team to compete and they still made deep playoff runs and 2mvps and so many other accomplishments in those 8 years then it’s tough to rank them below S
@itachikamui966Ай бұрын
bron simply can’t be S because KG is A. KG is probably top 3 peaks on the list and was a superstar for almost the entire decade and was the most important piece for his celtics chip. DPOY MVP and a chip with S tier longevity throughout that decade just means that either he needs to be S or everyone besides kobe needs to be A since kobe’s resume is really just that much better.
@michaelbarrett8379Ай бұрын
that’s exactly what i was finna say
@khaliqsantos9055Ай бұрын
Let's not forget that TMAC only played with one all star his entire prime. Yao an Mac had perhaps 2 solid years where I agree they should've won Atleast a Playoff series before injuries derailed them, however to make it seem like Mac had the same opportunities like Paul Pierce, Chris Paul, Wade etc is Ludacris. He had Mike Miller as his best second man in Orlando and only Yao in Houston. Mac on an individual level made top 5 MVP like 3 times, he was on the all NBA team like 7/8 times and his impact on the young players now is a test to his greatness. His Peers, his opponents, new players all mention McGrady one way or the other. Give Mac the same number of all stars that Wade played with or Paul Pierce played with, or in more recent times KD played with or Paul George played with and I'm quite sure Mac would've won more as a team collective.
@VegaMK2Ай бұрын
The Steve Nash disrespect is wild.
@lacer28Ай бұрын
not rlly
@paliboy93Ай бұрын
I’d take Kidd over Nash, easily.
@joshuahan549924 күн бұрын
It's not about who you'd rather take but objectively looking at what they've accomplished in the decade. Nash won the assist title 4 times vs 3. 2 MVPs vs 0. Nash 4 WCF vs Kidd 1 ECF. Nash 68.2% win percentage vs Kidd 60.1% win percentage. By the numbers Nash had the better career during that span of time. He should have been A tier
@mustafasiddiqi8498Ай бұрын
Having pierce in c is crazy, ppl forget that this was Kobe and LeBron’s main rival from like 2005-2012
@yegodcomplexАй бұрын
"main rival" that man missed the playoffs back to back year before KG pull up stop it
@jhdivinaАй бұрын
main rival? what? lol pierce couldn’t even consistently lead his team to the playoffs before kg and ray pulled up. bron’s main rival was the entire celtics team, not pierce
@NapoleonSoaresАй бұрын
@@jhdivina Pierce was absolutely bron and kobe's main rival for a time in the league. Pierce straight up outplayed kobe in one of the two finals they played in and won a ring and the Celtics were Bron's bad boy pistons, he is so much better than everyone else in c tier
@malikwilson7387Ай бұрын
@@jhdivinacasual
@NuthinnullАй бұрын
@@NapoleonSoaresBron was worse against the Kg Celtics than Kobe was…
@yoofij4724Ай бұрын
The Nash disrespect is insane. At the time there wasnt a convincing enough case against him for two straight years. Smh
@NickDPolumАй бұрын
S: Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Garnett A: Bron, AI, Dirk, Wade B: Howard, Wallace, Pierce, Kidd, Nash C: McGrady, Allen, Melo D: Vince, Bosh F: Ming All in that order too
@saturn6528Ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏿
@hardwoodthought1213Ай бұрын
Great list, only issue Id have tho is if Yao is F, how is Bosh D?
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
Nope. LeBron clearly S. 2 MVPs and dragged some HORRIBLE cavs teams to the playoffs and finals. He overtook Kobe as the best by 2007
@hardwoodthought1213Ай бұрын
@@Phoenix-pm2qr That isn’t S tho. LBJ had dogshit teams for sure, but in the 2000s he won 2 MVPs and made 1 finals. How is that any different to what Nash achieved? When compared to what Shaq, Duncan and Kobe did in the 2000s, how does LBJ come close?
@RyeAkaiАй бұрын
I kinda disagree with your order at certain points, but I do 100% agree with your tiers.
@ashraflago275025 күн бұрын
S- Kobe, Duncan A- Shaq, Wade, KG, Nash, AI, Bron B- Pierce, Kidd, Dirk, C- Paul, Melo, Wallace, Howard, Tmac, Allen D- Carter, Bosh, Yao E- These 3 dudes that ranked those legends.
@esprika92Ай бұрын
Pau Gasol should not be forgotten on this kind of lists, deserve always at least the mention
@DorinUngureanu-zt4dtАй бұрын
No way 2000’s LeBron should be in S tier with other 3 guys that one 3 to 4 championships and MVPs that decade
@amirfrazierАй бұрын
Lebron peaked in 2009 and took a bum Cavs squad to the finals at just 22 what are you talking about he’s definitely S tier
@mariosoipsistos677823 күн бұрын
@@amirfrazier he played 6 years out of the 10 and based on their criteria in this video, he should be A. One MVP and a finals run in a weak conference but a good carry job and insane regular season stats
@Dragens-25 күн бұрын
S .Tim ,Bron ,Kobe , Shaq ,KG, Wade , AI A . Nash , Dirk,pierce, kidd B. TMAC,howard,melo,Wallace C cp3,Ray, vince D yao,bosh F
@Dragens-25 күн бұрын
This is the best one more accurate S tier are top 1,2,3 of alltime in their position player that can lead a team alone A tier a that can lead but need one score of one co star next to them B tier are player one way C tier are player great but cannot lead a team
@pimpinb11Ай бұрын
By their own criteria, Bron should be no higher than A. One MVP, a finals appearance (sweep), but excellent stats should be low-tier A or high-tier B based on their rankings.
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
He was a 2 time MVP
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
Not at all. LeBron was the best player in the league between 2006ish - 2009
@pimpinb11Ай бұрын
@@Phoenix-pm2qr nah just 1 in 09. The other 3 came in the 2010’s.
@pimpinb11Ай бұрын
@@Phoenix-pm2qr Don’t agree. Kobe was imo, and most of the commentary from back then (including from LeBron himself) backs that up as the consensus. Bron was a stat machine but he wasn’t winning and back then he even had the “choker” label in the playoffs.
@IllMatic97Ай бұрын
@@pimpinb11 LeBron was never a "playoff choker" during his first stint with the Cavs bruh, don't start that bull jive. The Cavs were not a deep team in comparison to other franchises during the 2000s and LeBron was a "stat machine" because he had to be, LeBron never had the support Kobe had during his time with the Cavs. LeBron was the best player in 2000s no question but Kobe had more team accomplishments, Kobe didn't face any real adversity at that point in his career.
@zakaleeАй бұрын
Don’t disrespect Dirk like that Easy A tier
@cloudunderweather9554Ай бұрын
@@zakalee for doing what exactly?
@mAakesАй бұрын
@@cloudunderweather9554 Championship in '11, MVP in '07, Finals MVP, 12-time All-NBA, 14-time All-Star, #6 in All-Time Scoring List,.... He alone carried the 2011 Mavs to a title. Swept the title defending Lakers with Kobe, beat the Thunder with KD, Russ and Harden and beat the Heat in the Finals with Prime Lebron, Wade and Bosh.
@cloudunderweather9554Ай бұрын
@mAakes since this apparently went over your head I'm going to help you out.... BEST PLAYERS OF THE 2000s. Meaning only the things you did during the 2000s count. Got it? OK good, now try again.
@FootyInsights_Ай бұрын
You guys definitely undersold KG here. I'm amazed he wasn't a stone cold lock for S tier
@lRockyIАй бұрын
You know what ur right because he’s kind of in the same situation as lebron where obviously going off how good of a player you were you would be automatically put in S, kg from 00-08 was carrying like lebron and was just as good of a player as Tim just didnt have the same level of team with a abhorrent front office like lebron
@FootyInsights_Ай бұрын
@@lRockyI Like, post-prime KG was an MVP candidate in 2008 and was the biggest reason why the Celtics won the title lol. He was insanely good
@itachikamui966Ай бұрын
i think KG can be S as long as you move everyone who’s not kobe down to A tier 😭i think he’s SIGNIFICANTLY better than anyone in the 2000’s in terms of his resume but people like Shaq TD and bron are not that much better than KG in that era and their resumes are most definitely not much better if at all.
@lRockyIАй бұрын
@@FootyInsights_ yea I still think he shouldve won fmvp
@chilldoc9638Ай бұрын
@@itachikamui966lebron and Duncan disgustingly clear Garnett and it’s not even close.
@Danilyn_LivaoАй бұрын
Fantastic episode!💯 The insights were spot on, and it’s clear you guys know your basketball history. Loved hearing different perspectives on some of the greatest players of all time. Can’t wait for the next tier list!
@sub-zyr0Ай бұрын
paul pierce is underrated
@draymartz0823 күн бұрын
Sorry list. Gen Z guys talking about 2000s as if they were old enough to comprehend the game
@jasonmoukala890922 күн бұрын
Who says they didn’t comprehend it
@Adanda1a-p5uАй бұрын
KG for S tier, Nash A Tier and Pierce for A or B, dirk A tier too
@alexandreavelar9384Ай бұрын
I respect his DPOYs but Ben Wallace in the same tier as Dirk, AI and Nash, two whole tiers above Paul Pierce, is nuts bro. Ludicrous. He was never a top 10 player in the 2000s. Rudy Gobert is not above Paul George in a 2010s tier list. Nowhere near. Other than that cool list
@lostpages7452Ай бұрын
Hate me for this but LeBron should be A, in the 2000’s which is from 2000-2010 according to them he has No Rings, which everyone else even in A has, he has MVP’s sure but also 1 Finals Appearance, and he missed out on the first four years of the decade, move him down to A
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
Nah. He over took Kobe as the best player in the league by 2007.
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
That's like moving toung Jordan down to A because he didn't have pippen yet to win rings.
@NuthinnullАй бұрын
@@Phoenix-pm2qr00-02 Shaq, 03 Duncan, 04-05 Kg, 06-08 Kobe, 09 LeBron maybe, definitely not over Kobe for a playoff series. How did he take over in 07?
@sirfrescobar4830Ай бұрын
@@Phoenix-pm2qrkeep commenting this all you want, there’s footage of LeBron himself saying Kobe was the best player from that time period
@MOCskodenАй бұрын
I hate that Steve Nash is cropped in a Lakers jersey. Why doesn’t someone fix that and put him in a Suns jersey 😂
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
Same with 2000s LeBron as a Laker
@beautixful1679Ай бұрын
The Paul Pierce disrespect is insane
@ademolaijaodola624324 күн бұрын
No way yall had Dirk in B and were thinking about D wade for S😭
@NapoleonSoaresАй бұрын
Nah if you're gonna argue accolades being a huge reason why ben wallace is a better basketball player than Tmac, you cant IMMEDIATELY TURN AROUND and say "i dont give a fuck about steve nash's TWO mvps, he's not better than all these other dudes who don't have two mvps" Steve Nash was a better engine than AI, he just was. AI matters so much more to the history and culture of basketball, but Steve Nash was a better b a s k e t b a l l p l a y e r
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
Own them they make no sense
@KyleCutler-4444Ай бұрын
The Pierce disrespect was something else holy shi*
@nicodimaano7616Ай бұрын
Young Bron should be A
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
Nah. He was the best player by 2007
@Nuthinnull5 күн бұрын
@@Phoenix-pm2qr Kobe pretty easily, LeBron had Giannis syndrome on O in late games (idc about attacking Jason maxiell in ball screens vs the pistons then getting hot and hitting a couple jumpers) You probably couldn’t take Bron over 08-10 Kobe for a playoff series until 2012, when he finally rounded out his offensive game. He was already the best all around/floor raiser by 09 tho.
@erzaxdАй бұрын
Cant believe paul pierce in C. I bet he's on the same tier as KG, since both of them won a ring together and pierce was the best player on their team that time.
@@alexandreavelar9384 pretty good list, would only put Wade in A for finals mvp and some all nba first teams seasons
@carlobarley198524 күн бұрын
S-tier, Kidd, Dirk, Dwight, D. Wade, Dwight, KG people forget these guys carried their teams to finals appearances and some won as the main dude
@sohamjain7803Ай бұрын
Maybe they should have added like +’s or something because players in the same tier just weren’t the same level, also the list could have been spread out more. If we are talking about in comparison to other stars Chris Bosh should be in F
@AlexVenenoАй бұрын
I agree with Dom. A.I. is A tier. From 2000-2008 he was putting up mvp/all star numbers.
@StephCurryyАй бұрын
Exactlyyyy what i was saying 09 and 10 was bad but most of the decade he was still him he just didn't have help till Carmelo
@judgehorton4397Ай бұрын
KG was an S tier. Thinking of how he carried those wolves teams when mgmt ruined chances of getting him help.
@hardwoodthought1213Ай бұрын
Carried to what? 7 seeds and 1st round outs?!
@taptiotrevizo9415Ай бұрын
@hardwoodthought1213 They were the worst supporting cast of any Superstar of modern NBA history.
@hardwoodthought1213Ай бұрын
@@taptiotrevizo9415 No, they were not. KG in Minny played with Billups, Marbury, Wally Z, Cassell, Spreewell, all of whom were All-Star caliber players. Wilkins and Ewing actually had the worst
@therealneal3034Ай бұрын
If Iverson doesn’t make that one Finals trip (which the Bucks maintain was rigged), he gets the same Westbrook slander. Guaranteed.
@viorelholhosАй бұрын
Ben Wallace was a demon, he should've been in A tier( still the only person to contain prime Shaq)
@andyheath524429 күн бұрын
Shaq was still 27 ppg and 11 rpg on 64% shooting
@viorelholhos21 күн бұрын
@andyheath5244 yeah, true, but it's still less than the 30 he averaged in the other Finals. Not having to double team Shaq and making Kobe play hero ball really got them the Series
@mehmetataarslan5011Ай бұрын
Turned it off after seeing Tmac C Tier, did they even watch him?!
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
Nope
@keyshonjones901Ай бұрын
Yao Ming F Vince Carter C Dirk, Ai, Nash were A Dwight is fringe A Paul is fringe B
@fredithnunez418529 күн бұрын
Paul Pierce from 2000-2010 is def A tier this is INSANE
@ratkovac7Ай бұрын
Lebron is definetly A-tier on this. All of his big accomplishments came after 2010 and he had a few bad playoff series in 07-10.
@Thehughesgaming22 күн бұрын
Melo does have a Conference finals appearance in the 2000s easy C 3rd option ring and a conference finals appearance for Ray Allen
@ntrong32Ай бұрын
How is Lebron in S tier when he only has 1 mvp for the decade?
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
You right
@zackjohn7492Ай бұрын
theres always one person whos gotta pretend plqayers like ai, tmac, and roy are like S+ players ...
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
Roy?
@zackjohn7492Ай бұрын
@ not in this video but Brandon Roy
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
@ I don’t think based on your comments you know what an opinion is
@ryanrondo1206Ай бұрын
Has Paul Pierce become the most underrated player ever?
@rylanstoner8275Ай бұрын
Should lebron really be S for the 2000s? One finals trip which he lost and one MVP. KG did better in the 2000s since he has a chip and dpoy. Lebron S all time, but should be at most A in the 2000s
@josh-qj2zuАй бұрын
“Xenophobia was running through the New York Post” ah, so business as usual for them 😭
@willgreig4077Ай бұрын
Ray Allen shouldve been a #1 or 2 offesive option on those Celtics teams and they would've won multiple rings
@shinobu37Ай бұрын
If Yao Ming had a longer career will definitely be an A. But he is unlucky to be riddled with so many injuries..
@Uncle_elroy428 күн бұрын
They put KG over Dirk. I know I'm Bias as Mavs fan but come on; Dirk made that man switch conference cause he couldn't beat them in the playoffs. Crazy work
@verynice736718 күн бұрын
2000s Lebron should be in A with KG he won one mvp in the era and went to the finals in an incredibly weak conference.
@justincollera3010Ай бұрын
Just to balance everything out across the categories: S - Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, LeBron (MVPs + Finals Runs) A - KG, Wade, Dirk, Dwight (MVP considerations + Finals Runs) B - A.I., Kidd, Big Ben (Individual success + At least made Finals) C - Nash, Pierce, Ray Allen (Individual success + Conf F runs) D - Melo, T-Mac, CP3 (Individual success + limited playoff success) F - Yao, Vince, Bosh (very good, but not great decade)
@FindmeiainthidingАй бұрын
Paul Pierce and Ray were both crucial to making the finals twice in the 2000’s
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
Your list makes no sense how is lebron above wade and kg
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
How is iverson B and Lebron S when they have the same exact resume except iverson has more scoring titles
@justincollera3010Ай бұрын
@Findmeiainthiding happy to swap Kidd and Big Ben with Pierce and A.I. It's just that I feel both were considered as better players in their positions compared to Pierce and Allen.
@justincollera3010Ай бұрын
@pleaseshutup7053 LeBron was basically considered one of the best individual players in the league ever since he came in. His Finals run dragging that awful Cavs teams made him S tier. But yea Wade or KG could easily go S tier.
@MaxKern-b6c28 күн бұрын
Dwight Howard over the truth is a crime
@ramiromartinez3544Ай бұрын
So Manu Ginobil plays cricket, Nowitzki A Carter B, Tmac B , and Pierce A, Garnett S
@snipe7459Ай бұрын
Im a bron glazer but realistically he is A tier, not quite S. He didnt win a ring in the 2000s and only got one MVP (2nd one is already 2010). He carried his bum ass cavs HARD but not enough to be up there with Shaq Kobe and Tim. They all won 4 rings at minimum and bron being up there with zero doesnt seem right unfortunately.
@hardwoodthought1213Ай бұрын
1000%. Being A tier in one decade and S in another is in itself almost unheard of. Definitely not S for 2000s tho
@IllMatic97Ай бұрын
First off, never call yourself a glazer of anyone especially another man. Secondly, you're entire point is obtuse to the topic of the video. Using team accomplishments as a means to downplay what LeBron was doing at that time doesn't work, it's counterproductive. LeBron never had the teams Duncan and Shaq had, LeBron didn't have a Kobe, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli or a reliable supporting cast that played they're roles to the best of their ability. Between 2005 to 2010 it was LeBron and Kobe, we're talking about individual players not their teams.
@snipe7459Ай бұрын
@ I wouldn’t call listing his accomplishments “obtuse” to the video. I wouldn’t say his lack of team success downplays his rank but it by no means elevates it either. No doubt lebron was BETTER than shaq post his rookie year and was the best player in the world by 09, doesn’t mean he accomplished what the rest of the S tier players did. It’s like saying harden is an S tier player of the 2010s when most of the accolades are clearly dominated by bron KD and Steph (RINGS). Harden may have all the points and an MVP during that time but he’s not at their level! Statistically lebron was absolutely dominant no question, but when you look at his career in totality for the DECADE of the 2000s it’s not up to the level of Kobe or Duncan. and I’ll gladly glaze the goat :) no insecurity here.
@venomj8179Ай бұрын
I agree that Lebron carried his Cavs team, but they were not bums. They were solid team, but they weren't a championship team. We got to stop that notion that the Lebron Cavs team was horrible.
@cemo475Ай бұрын
It makes no sense for LeBron to be in S in this case unfortunately if you're only looking at 2000 stats since he didn't win yet. 2 MVPs, 0 rings; doesn't even come close to Kobe: 1 MVP, 4 rings, 1 FMVP Shaq: 1 MVP, 4 rings, 3 FMVP Duncan: 2 MVP, 3 rings, 2 FMVP Arguably without that ring he can be worse than Garnett and Wade legacy wise: Garnett: 1 MVP, 1 ring Wade: 1 ring, 1 FMVP as his legacy is the same as Nash's accolade wise. He can arguably be in B tier because of no rings but A also makes sense just off of him being really good But S tier makes no sense at all.
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
LeBron was the best player in the league by 2007. Jordan didn't win a ring for his first 8 years. You gonna say Jordan is t S tier? Lmao
@IllMatic97Ай бұрын
The problem with your logic or lack there of is that you're going off team accomplishments. 2000s LeBron is S tier mainly because of the fact that he was the youngest player in the league to accomplish milestones so early in his career, Duncan and Shaq didn't have to deal with what LeBron was dealing with in Cleveland at that point in they're careers.
@venomj8179Ай бұрын
@@IllMatic97 Then, by that logic, why shouldn't Allen Iverson be S tier he did almost the same thing like LeBron James in the 2000s?
@Chefcam22Ай бұрын
Disgusted by the continued Steve Nash slander, the award is the MVP not the POY, fuck kobes scoring, Steve Nash revolutionized the game in those two seasons
@paliboy93Ай бұрын
Get over it he’s not better than Jason Kidd
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
Revolutionizing the game doesn’t mean you mvp
@arigross6822Ай бұрын
If we're strictly sticking to the video's criteria, we are only taking seasons 1999-2000 until 2008-2009 into account. Remember that LeBron has only 6 effective seasons here, so his accolades are diminished. It's important not to get lost on what's impressive, rather what the player tangibly accomplished during those years. So the fact that he did this all before the age of 25 is extremely impressive, but we're not rewarding him for his performance despite his age or inexperience. Several other players here were not at their peak or did not play every season in the 2000s. LeBron has one MVP and one finals appearance, with some fantastic regular season numbers, and a handful of great playoff series, including a legendary run in 2007. Compare this to Kevin Garnett, who has a ring, an MVP, a DPOY, an All-Star every season of the decade, yet he is still placed in the A tier. Personally, I think KG has a pretty strong argument for S tier. So does Wade. Dirk has an argument for A. Additionally, all of the other members of S Tier had a very strong case for best player in the league during a Finals run. Shaq from '00-'02, Duncan in '03, and Kobe in '08. LeBron had a great statistical peak in '09, and a legendary Finals run in '07, but the criteria in this video value consistent, high level production over the course of the entire decade, rather than one or two peak seasons. (Hence why Allen Iverson was in B Tier) In conclusion, I'm not saying LeBron isn't S Tier. I'm saying that you can't put him there without hesitation while players like KG and Wade are in A Tier, Dirk in B Tier, and all other players in S Tier have won at least 3 rings, while LeBron had zero at the time.
@Phoenix-pm2qrАй бұрын
Except KG got an easy ring by forming a super team.
@taptiotrevizo9415Ай бұрын
@Phoenix-pm2qr He was easily the best player on that team. It was an all time defense because of him. And it was after his peak.
@SeabasstyАй бұрын
All I gotta say is Timmy better be S tier
@RamzT123Ай бұрын
By their own grading standard Bron has to be at A. He can’t be above KG who had an MVP, DPOY, 2 Finals Appearances, and 1 title. Everyone else in the S tier has at least 3 titles and 2 finals MVP except Bron. Even Dirk and A.I have 1 less MVP than Bron but the same finals appearances but are in B while he’s in S.
@overpad126 күн бұрын
Putting AI at B tier is crazy man.
@gechuzhao2178Ай бұрын
The Dwight Yao dilemma, Dwight has much greater career than Yao, better stats and more accolades, but Yao always bested him when they faced up
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
They must have barely faced off because by 2008 his knees were shot
@yoofij4724Ай бұрын
CP was MVP level in 08, and he was really good on the hornets. I'd say B minimum and AI is A
@philipphilips9665Ай бұрын
Unbelievable that they don’t know that; he had a great case in 08 too
@actorajrivera1266Ай бұрын
KG not in S is nasty work, FOH with that
@Steph_Curry_editz-30Ай бұрын
Kidd above tmac was crazy
@xxprodigygod7627Ай бұрын
Kidd has led his team to the Finals... Tmac Never made it past the First Round and blew Multiple 2-0 Leads in the Playoffs and 3-1..
@DMasterplanLАй бұрын
Lebron from 00's? Solid B.
@zero2arsenalclips289Ай бұрын
Allen Iverson is B is just crazy
@dominic64tblightning24Ай бұрын
Dirk should be A, KG should be S.
@lalomex112328 күн бұрын
Saying Tmac is C level shows the gen Z in yall lol, he was 24 plus pts for like 8 of those 10 years
@joshp14627 күн бұрын
Dirk should be A , lebron should be A (2000s lebron) AI should be A , and Paul pierce should be B .
@jmu76featuring61Күн бұрын
Howard n wallace in the same tier 😂
@vtaeshoothashots458Ай бұрын
Y’all pissed me off lmao
@SeabasstyАй бұрын
Respectfully I think you can argue Chris Bosh as F tier out of all these legends, he never had any individual big time awards, he didn't lead his team to any playoff success for me he's the perfect F tier for this list. Although he is a great player, I don't think many people think about Chris Bosh (in general) and think about his time with the Raptors
@mo.magas824Ай бұрын
I’m ngl, if KG is A tier, so is Dirk, but maybe that’s just me
@paliboy93Ай бұрын
KG perfect at A. Would have easily put Dirk in A. He’s better than every single one of those other players in B.
@ballnshyt5437Ай бұрын
Putting T-Mac in C is just criminally foolish boys.
@kingdinodragonite3470Ай бұрын
KG easily S. KG is #2 all time according to DARKO (NBA GMs favorite advanced stat). The next stat that Thinking Basketball uses is Raw Augmented Plus Minus and KG is #1 all time in that too. I truly believe that once the basketball world embraces advanced stats like they do in baseball, KG will be seen as a unanimous top 10 player. My favorite stat: From 1997 to 2004, the Twolves when KG is not playing are -13 per 48 minutes. That is equivalent to a 7-75 team. When KG is on the court, they are a +10 per 48 (on pace to 60-22). +23 Net. That is the biggest net differential in history across 8 years and it is not close. 2nd is Lebron from 2003-2010 and he is only a +15. Imagine having a supporting cast WORSE THAN the 2012 BOBCATS. Now stay in there for 8 years... KG's career got wasted Here is another one; KG from 2003-2005 playoffs adjusted for 2024 season league averages: 30.6ppg 16.1rebs 6.5ast 59%TS For baseball comparisons, KG would be similar to Ted Williams, very underrated for his era which is why he lacks accolades but as time goes on, he would be beloved. When people say Twolves suck without KG, that is the biggest underestimation in history. The Twolves without him would be lucky to have a .500 record IN THE GLEAGUE! There is a reason all of KG's teammates in 2004 were out of the league in just 4 years
@jaydawg-fb6oiАй бұрын
I’m my opinion Tmac got disrespected
@chilldoc9638Ай бұрын
Tmac benefits so much from nostalgia, lucky he’s not last on this list
@jaydawg-fb6oiАй бұрын
@ yeah that’s true
@nastradamus21514 күн бұрын
8:02 Nash never saw the finals. B tier at most. And he was a defensive liability
@tonycastillo353Ай бұрын
I Love LBJ and he’s one of the two Goats but he’s a A tier in that decade
@sebastianverde9976Ай бұрын
"You wanna put Paul Pierce among those legends?" As if truth isn't an NBA legend. All Star selections, All NBA selections, FMVP, Champion, all time numbers, HOF and went toe to toe with Kobe and Lebron like... That hatin' is even embarrasing 🤦🏽♂️
@michaeljosephluy478723 күн бұрын
CP3 over YAO in 2000's is a crime🫥🫥🫥
@smoothproducermidnite29 күн бұрын
Seems like don is the only one with some sense with this list lol
@hakeenmcnutt9834Ай бұрын
So the the 2020 ring is too mickey to count for Dwight?
@davidc.lalnelawma4776Ай бұрын
I don't think LeBron is quite at S tier within the 2000s. He was awesome but not at the top of the league for long enough and he only had 1 MVP and a finals trip. He was as good as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan but he didn't achieve enough. Edit: Wrong MVP no.
@thedeep3podАй бұрын
“Only” 2 MVPs is enough when you’re also the best player of the decade
@davidc.lalnelawma4776Ай бұрын
@thedeep3pod fair. I'm just saying the other S tiers are almost as good as him but for longer (except Shaq, but he's a 3peat fmvp) and achieved so much more. I know rings are a team achievement but 3+ to 0 is too much of a gap imo. But it's your tier list, and a very good one too, so do what you want.
@KnowwutimsaynАй бұрын
@@thedeep3pod only one was in the 2000s the other one was in 2010
@lRockyIАй бұрын
@@KnowwutimsaynI’m pretty sure the list is considered 2000-2010 otherwise shaq and Kobe would have 1 less ring for the decade each
@michaelbarrett8379Ай бұрын
@@thedeep3podhe wasnt the best player of the decade though
@Jackson-ve7mlАй бұрын
Do you guys think that if nasty man wasn’t nasty and was just Karl Malone. How high would he be in your top 30
@Niklaus87029 күн бұрын
Bron in any tier cant be in the same level as shaq kobe and KG in the 2000s
@jakobhamlescher1990Ай бұрын
AI disrespect is wild. Dude averaged 26.4 and 7.1 in 82 games in 07-08. Easy A Tier. I’m a Shaq glazer, but AI and Shaq had an equally good 2000-2010 individually.
@hardwoodthought1213Ай бұрын
Not even close. AI didn’t win a playoff series after 01, comparing that to Shaq is laughable
@venomj8179Ай бұрын
@hardwoodthought1213 AI had won 3 scoring titles, MVP, and led his team to the finals yeah he's definitely A-tier. I don't know why people crap on Allen Iverson career but praise Steve Nash career a guy that had way more help yet never sniff the finals unlike Allen Iverson 💀
@taptiotrevizo9415Ай бұрын
@venomj8179 Steve Nash lead all time great playoff offense in Phoenix and had actually chanves to win titles. AI literally had a way weaker conference and never had a chance to lead a team to that level.
@venomj8179Ай бұрын
@taptiotrevizo9415 But did Steve Nash lead his team to the finals? No, so what are we arguing about? No one gives Carmelo Anthony & Allen Iverson a benefit or a doubt for losing to the Spurs & Kobe & Paul Gasol Lakers, so it is what it is.
@taptiotrevizo9415Ай бұрын
@venomj8179 Arbitrary playoff outcomes obsurce the fact that the 7sol Suns were one of the greatest offense in NBA history that were simply got unlucky. Carmelo and AI simply weren't good enough as n1 options to leads a team into true championship contention. Steve Nash was.
@aerodynamicsalamanderАй бұрын
Ben Wallace is A tier. His fucking job was defense. He destroyed S tier shaq, who sucked for 6 years in the 2000’s.
@treakwonsimmons4581Ай бұрын
Ben Wallace should be easy A tier
@elijahgordon7486Ай бұрын
Ray helped Seattle and the bucks more than pierce helped the celtics prior to joining
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
They both accompjhsied the same thing
@alirt816328 күн бұрын
Alen Iverson is sold A Garnet is an S it's just disrespectful to not put him there and about Paul Pierce it's an A tier and lebron didn't even win a ring so it's hard to put him in S
@JosephMorgan-t9cАй бұрын
There's no way you said Tmac should be in D tear Kobe Bryant said Tmac was his toughest opponent in the 2000's than you only put him one level above D to C he should at least be B tear
@JuggadooshАй бұрын
The only guy on here who’s an MVP, DPOY and a champion isn’t S? You guys just hating
@flickfellas9424Ай бұрын
Ring glazing is crazy here. Paul Pierce is not a B or should be discussed in that category, no offense to him but let’s be real
@ItisI1234Ай бұрын
are you rating the career or the player? I got lost midway, you're considering accolades or tenacity
@pleaseshutup7053Ай бұрын
Career
@businessman4209Ай бұрын
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD DIRK WAS He is an A
@josueguillen411117 күн бұрын
Not the fucking bias towards accolades. If Nahs gets penalized for stealing MVP, the Paul Pierce should be penalized for stealing his FMVP cause anyone who watched that series knows that he only won it for his fake Willis Reed impression. Allen and KG by far more important to winning that series