We Test: $1 vs $300 Zip Ties

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Is cheaping out worth it? Today we test a bunch of cheap vs expensive tools around the shop to find out. Zip ties, drill bits, air hammers, and even shop vacuums: we put them all to the test.
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[@Donut]

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[@j...bro.]

They are keeping him safe and sound in my basement though.

[@brother8127]

I click and scan but I don't get anything

[@andredeketeleastutecomplex]

To hell with Raid bullshit. What's next, Candy Crush, Farmville. I'm unsubbing, you already have plenty of cash, you don't need Raid.

[@lukeyrjb1986]

I think it wasn't a fair comparison. You used more zip cheap zip ties because they may be weaker but I think all you did was help them not stretch while you where jacking it up. If you use 15 of the other more expensive type you would have the same result.

[@notcamer0n]

@@andredeketeleastutecomplex I mean they have to pay a bunch of hosts, editors, and writers. That plus buying tools, cars, parts and renting their location. Plus a ton of other random capital expenses. Running a business requires shit tons of money that’s constantly being spent so I don’t know how you could ever have “plenty of cash” when running one so long as everything’s above board and moral. Especially if it gets reinvested into shows like HiLow. Could just ignore the sponsor ads too. I skip them all the time

[@JJG83724]

I deal with this on airplanes all the time. I’ve installed 1 zip tie that was worth $75. But it was a half inch, 12 inch long one. The reason for the cost is because of its chemical and heat resistance, also the certification.

[@forget2bhuman993]

they didnt even test a single chemical on the ties, would have been really interesting.

[@geemy9675]

hope it's reusable at least

[@Earley405]

@@geemy9675 Do you really want to be flying with an airline that reuses zip ties? lol.

[@zachthomas5272]

Hello, fellow A&P.

[@dr.science_0177]

Yea everything in aviation has to be top tier or things go wrong

[@dankcoyote]

I'm a carpenter and we do a lot of sanding and refinish work. Don't let the cheap shop vacs fool you. It's less about getting more sucking power for the size and more about their reliability. The motors on the cheap shop vacs burn out quicker through regular use. The more expensive shop vacs are worth the money in terms of reliability. Another point about vacuuming power are the fluid dynamics like water. While a smaller hose/end might have that quick sucking power, a larger motor and wider hose/opening can move more air over distance so if you don't want to move the entire shop vac around with you all day and just move a long hose, the cheap shop vac doesn't have the power to move air over distance.

[@Steve-bc2cl]

ok nerd

[@jpncaredits5178]

Basically if it's too cheap to be true it aint gonna be true and this goes to everything.

[@reileymaiers9270]

@@Steve-bc2cl bros just tryna help lol

[@AleksandrRudiak]

I'm working on hotline of karcher and can approve this. Usually they not just devided by price but also by purpose of use. On Karcher example they have "home&garden" line and "professional" one. And they have really simillar tools and equipment in both categories in terms of power but they are really different in terms of reliability. So we pretty often get calls from organisations who thought that's gonna be a good idea to use h&g tools on daily basis with a lot of work to do wondering why they don't have any guarantee

[@gpweaver]

@@Steve-bc2cl He's right, though. Shop Vac actually puts bearings in their motors, as opposed to cheap delrin bushings that wear over time. So they last a lot longer. Admittedly, I'm biased--Shop Vac actually chose to *not* outsource production to China; they're still made in Williamsport, PA. But they *were* sold to a Chinese tool company, which kind of sucks.

[@VortexStriker]

The biggest difference I've noticed in cheap vs expensive tools is how long you can use them (reliability, longevity) I do find that as a occasional use DIYer the middle of the road option often works out the best. As a student, breaking some cheap tools is a wonderful teacher.

[@doom4067]

One school of thought is to buy the cheap tool. If you break it, you use it enough to warrant the expensive one.

[@slinkeyj3]

Yuuup. If you're using said tools as your every-day livelihood, then it's worth it to spend more for the better durability. But for most hobbyists, the middle-ground tools will last perfectly fine

[@PostTraumaticChessDisorder]

Also QoL makes a huge difference

[@LovroValentic]

Watch project farm tests he does it better this guys are for entertainment. :)

[@Phelixc]

This is how I go about things. If I use the tools often, then I am going for the more expensive option. If it's occasional, I will buy cheap and just replace it when it fails.

[@cojaro87]

I used to test T&B Ty-Rap zip ties as a job. I can tell you from experience, the commercial-grade zip ties will withstand the elements much, much better than generic zip-ties. I'm talking direct UV exposure, high temperatures, low temperatures, heat cycling, etc. Usually the generic/cheap stuff's tensile rating is for right out of the bag, but that goes to dogshit once exposed to the elements for any amount of time (as indicated by the heat gun test). Often the commercial-grade stuff can still maintain 80% or more of its tensile strength after factoring in time/humidity/temperature. The cheap stuff can be reduced to just 10% of its stated tensile strength. tl;dr : if you need a temporary fix, get cheap zip-ties. If you need a permanent or semi-permanent (say, securing wiring under the hood), get the expensive stuff from a reputable company.

[@nottodayfedboi3536]

Me and my harbor freight zip tied together engine bay thank you

[@niclaskarlin]

Or buy a good hose clamp.

[@himesjon]

Exactly

[@showmethedammovie]

What is a reputable zip tie company?

[@youngmug]

@@showmethedammovie Panduit, which is where they got the Tefzel ties on this video, also sells lower cost ties. They're a pretty reliable company for those products, and there's likely a distributor nearby you can buy through. If you're just handling DIY stuff, the branded ties at a hardware store should do 90% of what you need.

[@1970HondaCL100]

Nylon zip-ties can hold an engine up but they couldn’t keep Pumphrey’s Dad from leaving.

[@historyfan0651]

To get milk

[@Dezroy]

☹️

[@muhzidon1151]

oofff ouch that hurts 😂

[@stewpacalypse7104]

Too soon?

[@RezboaDog]

CRITICAL DAMAGE

[@michaelcloss565]

Last year I had to pull a trans without my normal tools. The trans was coming out of a shell and the engine had already been removed. They stated it wasn't safe to transport as it sat. I pulled the trans out with a cherry picker, zip ties, and 1 ratchet strap. I was impressed because the zipties were holding all of the weight and they didn't even hesitate at all.

[@chuni5942]

Im not that fat :(

[@Jesus_Christ_is_Lord_]

It's a tranny btw we aren't talking about the mentally ill club here.

[@Enderito]

?@@chuni5942

[@alalalala57]

@@chuni5942 I did a spit take lmaooo.

[@AndrewMcGill0]

@@chuni5942same I’m not fat either

[@slipknotserge]

This is entertaining and all, but I miss Nolan's deep dives and analytical break downs into automotive issues. Bring that back!

[@odenshay9972]

He’s pretty great at explaining 😂

[@hellodisdat]

actually dont bring that back please

[@bonespur2728]

Yeah this is just worse project farm

[@ClayRepairs]

@@bonespur2728 Right! Its like they half-ass every test and get no real results

[@slipknotserge]

@@bonespur2728 🤣🤣🤣facts

[@Dream146]

a solid reminder that cost isn't always to do with quality but can be due to how niche a product is. The $3 zipties are for pretty specific use cases so they cost what they cost because they aren't intended for the mass market.

[@veevoir]

Not only niche, but also certifications. A lot of stuff used in aviation is like that, where most of the price - is paperwork/certificates because safety etc.

[@TheSuperBoyProject]

300$

[@jaredgarcia3335]

That’s not how prices work. If the process to make a product is cheap and the materials are abundant there is no reason for a high price. No matter how niche the market is. At least not one that’s worth a 30,000% markup (assuming cost of production is similar to the regular zip ties). The only place where how niche a market is determines the price is with collectibles. Like how a normal person wouldn’t pay $100,000 for a 50 year old car but a collector would. But scarcity also plays apart in that example as well.

[@garrettzkool63]

@@jaredgarcia3335 supply and demand is a bit different when they have to be certified. that means the certification is part of the time it takes to produce. think body armor, i can buy kevlar from china for $100 non-certified but i can get the same kevlar from america that has passed NIJ certification and it will cost much more. thats how the market works with more specialty items.

[@Gl-my8fw]

@@jaredgarcia3335 ... yes it is how things work.... If I am the only one with a specific product on the market than I will have a huge profit margin and nothing is wrong with that

[@farges76]

The drill test I would argue is a user error issue in the first test, using a hand drill and timing the drilling including the transition time between holes puts too much weight on the hand of the guy doing the drilling, the second test is a bit more fair but you could still take notes from the Project Farm channel on how to do a more fair comparison.

[@morsumbra9692]

Project farm is science hardcore in real life, swear the dude has to have a degree in STEM.

[@Trichromasie]

The second drill test would probably have worked with the cheap drill if the two had used a significantly lower speed and coolant/lubricant

[@phizc]

They don't exclude variables. I much prefer PFs approach. With the second drill bit test they should have used a weight to make the force equal for both bits. They did the worst thing possible by hand cranking it with two different operators. One could have used 3 times as much force and nobody would know, not even the other guy standing right there. If one of them had done both tests, at least he could have estimated it within 10% or so.

[@EpyonRules]

Also, comparing titanium to cobalt drill bits is not really a fair comparison at all.

[@jonsauce]

I love donut. Love the crew. These videos are even entertaining and great at killing time. But when are the cars coming back? Up 2 speed, bumper 2 bumper? I miss seeing cars. Learning about their history and their engineering. Hoping to get some more automotive stuff in the future boys

[@benjaminwhitmer6019]

True, but sadly there's a lot of comments saying they love the more simple content so im not sure if we'll get the old content back

[@crionidel]

I believe the good content is coming back, considering their market this is it's summer season, people are on holiday so u wanna keep the good stuff for the winter. At least I hope so, their analytics (views alone in this case) seems to still be higher for car stuff more than Shop stuff.

[@logicreversed18t]

Completely agree. This isn't why I subscribed to the channel. It's starting to feel like they are appealing to a younger, TikTok-attention-span audience. Even the hi-lo series was a rushed let down. Bring back the grind. Bring back the suffering!

[@kepler656]

@@logicreversed18t ah yes, the tired "tik tok generation attentiom span" argument. Bro we grew up with icanhascheezeburger, 9gag, KZbin Poop, Newgrounds and friendster. If anything the older I get, the worse my attention span is getting.

[@sagemaster6814]

Love the do nut! I miss the the car love. I also love the the tool stuff. You are tools now, better with car stuff tho. Not complaining, just un-interested....just because 20 years back I could grow a beard better than Jeremiah's I don't think I'm better (I grew a beard long enough to turn white, chump). Broseffs, bring back the car stuffs! Overlanding and sports cars are what I signed up for. Show more Camaro (sick 35 anniversary z28ss!, mine had 486hp, 485tq), or 4 runner, a Lexus imposter of a Runner ok, show the a build. A miata, gosh dang I'm in! A super 7 or Arial Atom or lotus Elise (I named my daughter Elise RIP) and my wife is getting divorce papers and you a proposal if you get your hands on a street legal super 7.

[@БранимирПетров]

Titanium nitride coated and cobalt steel drills bits have different purpose and characteristics. TiN is great for lower hardness steel and softer metals, and it's more flexible. Cobalt HSS is great for harder steels - nickel-chrome, stainless, etc. , however they are very fragile - just try to open up a hole with rough edges, and it snaps immediately.

[@SaiRyan1]

No one should be buying anything based on these tests. They just aren't good or even comparing apples to apples as you said

[@Yz4Life]

@@SaiRyan1 yea definitely more of a entertainment oriented video, still enjoyed them making a joke out of those $100 zip ties lol

[@juzoli]

Yeah, that’s why they have different price. There are no cheap cobalt bits.

[@AlexanderBurgers]

TiN bits also get sticky in aluminium, so any of the other options is a better idea.

[@skilledtradesscotty4896]

@@SaiRyan1 so are you saying these tests are a waste of time but bring a lot of traffic that pays? Hard to turn down more money for less content.

[@ministrychannelsa4216]

As the owner of a carpet cleaning company I can tell you that the quality of the parts is what sets vacuum cleaners apart, not the flow rate, which is what you measured. If you bought the right vacuum cleaner, it will remain at optimal sucking power for longer at a time and also it will have a much longer total lifetime.

[@mikewhitman745]

Yup, we would burn out a shop vac in less than a year, the fein vacuum has been going for years on end and is substantially quieter.

[@yamatokawa]

What brand would you recomend for optimal durability?

[@ministrychannelsa4216]

@@yamatokawa Dyson vacuum vacuum cleaners.

[@yamatokawa]

@@ministrychannelsa4216 thank you. Will keep it in mind

[@MakeSomething]

The Harbor Freight zip ties don't last through an Ohio winter in a garage. They get brittle and break much easier after freezing.

[@desmondh7844]

they are a dollar... buy a brand new pack every year and youll never reach lifetime cost of the blue ones.

[@Clay3613]

I bet neither do other comparable brands.

[@sometwo2117]

Nothing makes it out of an ohio winter working like it did before lol

[@TFGgarage]

@@sometwo2117 rest in piece any car made of steel ever

[@kameronh9100]

Odd. They last outside in much colder ND winters. I use them to hang Christmas lights on my trees.

[@cameeks]

The 2 air hammers were not of the same category. They might have had the same hammer size but the Harbor Freight one had a shorter throw. That is why it was shorter and you could hear the difference when they ran.

[@KingHarry]

Yep, I was wondering if I'm the only one who noticed that!

[@saeiamiller6637]

it's because all they do is shill for harbor frieght now. The zipties are not the same ether. They are made for a certain application. These videos are trash now.

[@coreyl3642]

Thanks for that, Jobe was using a 2x by the looks of the length. Jeremiah maybe a 4x?

[@akidim13]

Shhh , it’s donut media , they never do anything right

[@rempaulocainag8997]

the harbor freight is a 4x hammer gun and the other one is 1x hammer gun. shorter = faster throw but less impact, compare to 4x longer = slower throw but more impact

[@residentroofkorean]

Just started at my new job and I learned another reason that the blue zip ties are special. Apparently the material that they are made of is also vacuum compatible which is important for use in things like space craft

[@slinkeyj3]

Yuuuup. We use blue ties (which are usually tefzel) in TVAC testing, and only buy red for non-TVAC compatible ties, so that people can quickly see they aren't TVAC compatible

[@herrbrahms]

I wonder why Tefzel would do any better in vacuum than nylon. Could it be that the Tefzel does a better job resisting UV embrittlement?

[@tookitogo]

@@herrbrahmsDifferent materials outgas differently at different levels of vacuum. Things that you’d never think of as volatile or absorbent start to leach out stuff at high vacuum or ultra high vacuum. For example, stainless steel - to outgas the moisture its surface absorbs, you have to heat it to 200C. Or solder - the lead in traditional solder outgasses in ultra high vacuum. In high and ultra high vacuum, the number of plastics that are usable dwindles down to a handful, the most important being Teflon (the preferred one due to cost and ease of use), Kapton, and PEEK. (Tefzel, Vespel, and Torlon are others.) Then if you add ionizing radiation to the mix, Teflon gets disqualified because it degrades quickly. Nylon is extremely bad in terms of outgassing, both itself and absorbed moisture. So is acrylic. I used to work at a university physics department (now I’m at the chemistry department) and materials compatibility was a huge part of component selection. I got lots and lots of experience working with Teflon and Kapton cables, for an experiment that involves first drawing a high vacuum to eliminate air, so that the air doesn’t contaminate the second step, which is to fill the vessel with millions of $ worth of liquid xenon. So first a high vacuum, then cryogenic temperatures. Most materials can’t handle one of those conditions, never mind both.

[@andrewjdm9523]

Thanks for representing Harbor Freight Tools guys! I am a Store Manager there and I use your videos a lot to promote the quality and benefit of our products!

[@Soundsystem504]

Let corporate know to sponsor a Donut video!

[@1creep2e3r]

Ever since I learned about harbor freight sharing suppliers with the big guys I shop there a lot more

[@adamhayden5152]

@@S6R15 it’s KZbin stupid. You don’t have to pay anyone to use KZbin videos. You must be brain dead…

[@nicholasgunsmoke2285]

I work there too as a sales associate and I’m surprised how good our tools are to be honest. It’s also nice because I get a pretty nice discount on everything.

[@axle1717]

Harbor freight is the bees knees for alot of stuff. Plus they got an awesome warranty. It's a pain to go thru warranty for snap on or matco

[@planem1916]

The secondary cut in the drill is for drilling blind holes. The smaller radius at the center of a drill travels less distance in a rotation, so it requires a different angle of attack to effectively cut material. Without this the drill just kinda pushes the material to the side until the drill gets deep enough cut, hence why large straight tip drills are so hard to use without a pilot hole. Love the video guys!

[@HavokTheorem]

You're broadly correct but the mechanism at work is not to do with the angle of the cutting edge - it's the fact that the cutting edge entirely ceases at the web in the centre of the drill. The cutting edges cannot make contact with the material being drilled until the web has sunk into the material, which for something like steel can be quite difficult - it's displacing the material, not cutting it. By split-point grinding, the cutting edge is extended all the way to the centre of the drill web.

[@jennaecreates]

I don’t know anything about cars but I can’t stop watching donut media videos. Best entertaining thing on KZbin. And whoever does your graphics/animations, who are you?! Your team is amazing ❤

[@Catladybug]

Same

[@rocketdood116]

Fun fact Tefzel zip ties are also used in the space industry due to their ability to resist cryogenic and very hot temperature fluctuations. I use them all the time at work.

[@FreeTrapMoney]

Sounds like you have an epic career

[@tylerdurden7869]

*works at McDonald's*

[@zfgnerdlife]

What do you do exactly? Sounds fun.

[@geoffwatches]

@@zfgnerdlife he's a zip tie tester

[@Clay3613]

Yeah, but seems to kinda suck at doing it's job unless you work in extreme temperatures.

[@cncdan1364]

As a machinist those drill bits might not be for drilling that type and thin metal. If they had holes in them like he said it’s for through coolant.

[@abrownduck3]

Don't forget about speeds & feeds. A fast bit dulls a slow bit breaks

[@lennychorn147]

You are missing the point of the tests. Which was to see which lasted longer, under torture conditions.

[@Shocker99]

As an engineer. This speed run tool comparison video hurts to watch. What's right about it?

[@Truthbomb423]

It's real life comparison Mr engineer

[@BRENDANTHERED]

@@Shocker99 Considering you're an engineer, why don't YOU tell us what's WRONG with it?

[@rhubarbpie2027]

Panduit cable ties are god-tier. Totally worth the $$$. Edit: Clayton shop vacuums are world-class, Clayton's entire business is build around dust and chemical fume removal, the Air Force uses Clayton vacuums for maintenance on their jets.

[@stephen7690]

what applications are you needing $300 zip ties for? I'd rather replace them with cheap ones every few months than shell out $3 a ziptie

[@rhubarbpie2027]

@@stephen7690 an F-15.

[@2ane]

i remember expensive blue zipties from working in a bread factory, they are mandatory to use there because they get found by detectors checking for metal parts in the bread, regular nylon ones would go undetected.

[@koopalad4]

loved when he said "yeah it's zippin' time" they are really one of the youtube channels of all time

[@johntheidiotfarmer6410]

T R U E

[@El-Burrito]

They are certainly a KZbin channel

[@abliviustrey]

you speedran this comment so fast that it makes no sense

[@pushpacharles7473]

it is one of the

[@an2thea514]

You can also just shut up for once.

[@MarkCeeee]

My grandfather used a swing set in 1970’s to hoist and swing an engine. The set bent and almost broke, but it worked and then he put it back in the nextdoor neighbor’s yard 😂

[@internetjunkie9574]

For anyone curious I have the Bauer 6hp 14 Gallon Shop Vac, the thing is a champ. I had 3 bags of old concrete in the back of my truck that fell apart & it vacuumed it up in less than 5 minutes including big 1-2 inch pieces that were solid like it was nothing. Only downside is the Hose is a bit stiff other than that highly recommended, it's backed by a 1 year warranty aswell.

[@urk5204]

My dad was an aircraft mechanic back in the day, so in place of zip ties we always used the titanium cable they wrap engine bolts in to prevent them from vibrating loose. Probably the most expensive "zip ties" anyone could use

[@poshun9407]

Probably still cheaper than 3$ a go. Stainless steel lock wire is cheap enough and I think would outlast pretty much any zip tie.

[@alexriofrio5754]

Called lacing wire

[@poshun9407]

@@alexriofrio5754 Today I learned about 'cable lacing' 👍🏼 is it ever done with metal wire? My only experience with what I call 'lock wire' is steel wire. Useful in holding motocross grips on, also required on certain fasteners especially on race tracks.

[@drewdavis239]

he said titanium

[@alexriofrio5754]

@@poshun9407 I guess it would be called lock wire. I guess I use the term lacing wire for any thin wire that can be used for securing fasteners.

[@st_ar457]

I know I’m late but I thought abt it. The 300 dollar ties might be better for outdoor applications in the long run.

[@arunas2627]

Would u seriously spend that much on zipties? 💀

[@st_ar457]

@@arunas2627 depends on what my outdoor application is. For extreme long term (3 months to who knows) outdoors, yes. For a week or less, absolutely not.

[@arunas2627]

@@st_ar457 💀

[@zacisaloser7197]

As an aircraft mechanic and hobby car mechanic, spend the money on the drill bits. It goes through the hood but anything thicker and the HF bits bend almost instantly

[@TheSuburban15]

The cheap ones are most likely designed only for use on wood and plastic.

[@spicy110]

Did you let the heat gun cool before doing the second test?

[@BenDunlop]

Thought the same thing. Also depends where the heat is directed (zip ties can deform from heat more on the 'strip' before failing compared to the locking clip area) Doesn't really matter though, $3 zip ties aren't for us

[@RandysRides]

Well, since they had to re-rig everything for the second test, I'm gonna guess that yes...it cooled down. It would have taken them at least 5 minutes to set up the next one.

[@STDavis-em1df]

That's what I was thinking exactly. Doubt it

[@CCDProductions]

My Baur shop vac is doing me great. I've left it out in the rain and overall just abuse the heck out of the thing and it still work great!

[@BigBoyJay_69]

I'm going to guess the more expensive vacuum probably has a HEPA filter and actually traps most dust particles. What point is there to the cheap vacuum if it just spreads the dust around the shop?

[@TheChzoronzon]

suck a couple litres water first and you'll get 90% of the filter job done

[@jeffrobbie472]

You can only pull one atmosphere of vacuum, so the "sucking" power of the units is always going to be similar. Along with the filter, I'm guessing that it's just built much better. Made to last. Made for a shop that uses it every day vs. a guy using it on weekends in his garage.

[@Nwhis]

@@jeffrobbie472 Vacuums don't actually pull a vacuum (that's very difficult, even for purpose-built vacuum chambers and such), they just create airflow (like a basic fan, but with way more pressure). So you absolutely can have a way stronger vacuum, though it can start to depend on the size of the hose and other factors like that as well.

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

All canister vacs come with filters. A HEPA filter is only necessary for people who are extremely sensitive to micro fine dust, otherwise they are not necessary, especially in an open work shop environment. In cases where a person has a sensitivity to dust, face masks work much better as they are disposable and in a dusty work shop environment a HEPA filter would clog up very quickly.

[@TheChzoronzon]

@@TheOnespeedbiker There. A mechanical workshop doesn't have much dust, more like greasy layer of paste over everything, lol And a woodwork requires much more than that. Long ago, I worked in places with HEPA filters on the air intake and negative pressure in the room... but the objetive was to control the smell of the buds not going outside...ahem...

[@StormCrownSr]

This channel is so good at producing videos that anyone can watch, car person or not. I myself, am a car guy in the sense that I like cars that look cool to me. I also know the difference between diesel and petrol. And that's about it.

[@adacskipper]

Yeah, I'm not even into cars either and I love this channel

[@SidWalter]

when drilling through metals go slow when drilling through wood go fast! and when drilling through thick metal go slow use force and drilling lube.

[@cloudtown1540]

I like how you guys post right when I wake up so I can watch them while I’m getting ready for work

[@milton42083]

Love these videos coming out in the AM. Starts my day out on the right foot.

[@tfkns_14]

@8:54 love the hi/low car and hi/low truck bumpers on the wall! Maybe they've been there forever but I'm just now noticing them, nice touch

[@ginostephens9269]

To be fair with the heat gun it might be that it was already heated up so it naturally caused the cheaper zip tie to last less time being that it was already hot, overall tho I love this video good work guys

[@stpbasss3773]

Yeah I use heat guns at work and like you said once you heat it up it's easier to heat up again, the heat stays a long time after turning it off.

[@accordsedan]

yeah i was just about to comment that but found this one, not very scientific lol just quick videos for money

[@quinnemery1228]

Since you started with just 10 of the expensive ones, each one would have spent work time under tension being fatigued and stretched more than the initial 15 of the cheap ones.

[@TheAngryDasher]

That's a very solid point you make there. I usually pick apart flaws in videos such as these and completely overlooked that.

[@Fiwek23452]

I was thinking the same

[@mayaibuki]

yeah, I want a video by Project farm about this. That channel is more accurate and scientific.

[@Steve-bc2cl]

I mean theyre obviously not scientists lmao just some whackos with a garage full of cool cars.

[@darksoul7024]

cheap is still better

[@kdawson020279]

I moved from the paradigm of pneumatic to electric now that I'm field maintenance instead of automation maintenance. Harbor Freight is awesome for hand tools and the shade tree mechanic, but I have insanely different standards for work and home.

[@AM-yy5tp]

Always a good day when Zach presents ✌️

[@lancestrahm2362]

I love harbor freight zip ties I have 4 bags laying around lol. I also like the drill bit set, I've broken like 3-4 of the little ones over a few years. It's worth the money.

[@ThePremiumsmore]

the carabiner you guys are using is really great for climbing! that little red ring is an indicator to tell you its not closed/locked so you know to close it before trusting your life on it!

[@petkokrushev3840]

Jeremiah is my favorite host from Donut, he has this cool calmness in him

[@eggreedgious5194]

These comparison/hi-low segments are my favorite. Super useful information delivered with a little hands-on action. You guys motivate me to build my tool collection and take on car maintenance myself. Keep up the great work Donut!

[@billgross7947]

I honestly love this series a lot more than the Hi/Low series with James and Nolan, only because I feel like Zach and Jeremiah are more objective in comparing the value of the higher costs, and sure the the higher priced item might be better, but is it 4 or 5 times better???? Usually not, but James always preferred his expensive parts over Nolan's

[@scottyellis3442]

I have the same expensive shop vac at work & you can buy a hepa filter bag for it which does cut down on a lot of small particles being put back in the air, but the bags are expensive also. Love the show 👍🏻👍🏻

[@geepersoilyrag1884]

Love these vids. This one also demonstrates that operator error can affect how a tool works!

[@captaindelta43]

Love this. Actually was surprised seeing Cheap stuffs hold up sometimes better for their price

[@TheObserver99zs]

I work in a steel wire mill and we use that exact shop vac, the old one we had lasted long before I started (2 years) and saw lots of heavy use. Pumping many many gallons of water/soap and running for hours at a time. We just got a new one this month, seemed worth it

[@rudyxdwolftundrawolves1578]

I feel like Detailing Tools Like power washers, shampoo, and brushes would make a good episode for this series

[@kelb0y9o20]

I think they have a video about washing ur vehicle

[@kingmouse9292]

“ the weal weason “ 😂😂 3:11

[@joebly5641]

Harbor freight makes tools that work well the only problem is they only work well a handful of me at the most . The expensive tools usually last forever

[@Astraeus..]

For most things I wouldn't say you need the 300$/100 level, but definitely don't use the cheap as dirt ones either. Especially as you get into smaller and smaller ties, the cheap ones tend to snap before even getting really tight. Likely because a lot of the time the cheap ones are made of less flexible material, so they end up just snapping off easily.

[@kaptein1247]

Like you saw in the test the expensive ones were actually weaker.

[@trip9919]

The vacuums have the same size motor based on the fact that you have to plug them into an outlet so they can only be up to a certain amperage and they're the same style of motor. But I'm pretty sure if you guys had done a test where you left them on running for a long period of time the Bauer would probably start smoking.

[@mikewhitman745]

Just because a receptacle can deliver 15 amps, probably 20amp in that setting, doesn't mean that it's maxed out power wise when you plug anything in. A tenth horse motor is a tenth horse no matter if it's on a 15 amp circuit or a 100 amp circuit and a 2 horse motor will always be stronger than it no matter what amp circuit it is plugged into.

[@technokota]

Jobe is one of my favorite humans to ever exist

[@agentjwa]

i have harbor freight zip ties holding my bumper together in an x pattern and its been 10 years and not a single one has broken. every time i look at my bumper i cant believe they are still in there. probably helps that they are black and the uv cant penetrate too far into them and degrade them.

[@thomasrogers8239]

Shop vacs, whether big or small are exceedingly underwhelming. Having worked in construction and other areas that require a shop vac just once I want a vacuum that has suction best described as dangerous.

[@commanderwill2]

Ikr. I've done alot of carpentry work, and shop vacs are always pitiful, even if they have a big hose

[@emmanuellugo9717]

Try rigid vac's. I did tile for years and would use all kinds of vacuums when cutting tile. Had to stick with rigid for price and performance.

[@RaggedsEdge]

Do you know how many dumb people operate shop vacs and you want want that could cause mayhem?

[@mikewhitman745]

Look into fein, pricey but really nice. Don't think you'll get into dangerous suction just due to liability. Parents these days would blame the vacuum for hurting the kids instead of taking responsibility for not watching them, or something lame like that.

[@DragonBuilds]

The expensive cable ties were weaker in terms of tensile strength, but ETFE/Tefzel is for chemical resistance, not physical strength.

[@Nickerian91]

cant really compare normal drills vs cobalt.. i would always go for cobalt since you can drill stainless steel. with that said you can find cheaper cobalt drills. flaw you guys made is that you need to drill at slow speed to avoid the to overheat and melt

[@showmethedammovie]

ABC they did it wrong to induce the failure.

[@krzysztofczarnecki8238]

True, ever since I got fed up with ordinary HSS bits getting blunt (especially the really small ones) and bought a set of cobalt bits I stopped buying HSS bits. I didn't even need to buy much cobalt bits, because they last A LOT longer. They are completely worth it.

[@Nickerian91]

@@showmethedammovie Not exactly. the point was to test the difference between the same type of product. Cobalt drills are made to be able to drill harder materials. While normal HSS cant because they are to soft. It has nothing to do with the price difference since they bought 2 different products. Should been Cheap/expensive within the same product category. And drilling with to high speed also dont reflect the product quality since you aint really testing the product. The answear is however always cobalt but it had nothing to do with the price. You can find them cheaply online aswell

[@FullTimeGT]

Cool video! I have a small warehouse and I've had both cheap and real Shop Vac and there is not much that difference between them. I have a Ridgid instead and it's a beast and I have it for more than 10 years and still running strong, it killed the other ones I had.

[@1creep2e3r]

Yeah at my work they have a pretty old rigid that's been through everything, threw in a new filter the other day and it still runs strong

[@morganpethis3960]

Love my rigid shop vac. Never lets me down.

[@galootlovestools]

If you are drilling metal, you want to use cutting fluid, e.g. Tap Magic, and the slowest setting your drill has. Drilling at a slower speed means less heat and more cutting.

[@Rlyeh_The_Dead]

5:17 kind of horrifying to think zip ties are used in nuclear power plants in any capacity

[@Finder245]

Did you preheat the heat gun? It seems like it would bot have time to cool down between the two tests, so the second zip tie would get hotter in the same amount of time.

[@pablogarin]

Zach and Jer are the best duo, I enjoy your content the most... The whole team is awesome, don't get me wrong! I think everyone does a great job, but I still think Zach and Jer are the best!

[@BradGryphonn]

I bought a $40 Ozito brand 12-litre 'shop-vac' and it's the best vacuum unit I've ever had. And I've spent thousands on a Kirby in a former life.

[@TheChzoronzon]

I once had by mistake one of those running non-stop for 12 hours and the motor didn't melt, to my amazement. Worked fine for another 6 months. Eventualy they lose suction power, in a couple of years, but they are so cheap you just buy another

[@JustTheWarning]

@@TheChzoronzon Reduce, Reuse, Recycle, my guy.

[@TheChzoronzon]

@@JustTheWarning The metal can I certainly reused for another things, same as the nice long thicc cord... With the burned out electric motor I tried to make an sculpture, but those posh curators at the MoMA are so picky... *gosh

[@JustTheWarning]

@@TheChzoronzon just sayin. Buy stuff for life :)

[@TheChzoronzon]

@@JustTheWarning I tend to... I realize our exponential adquisition system is doomed sooner or later But still, not always makes sense :)

[@allencoxx5739]

The heat gun was already heated up from the first run so the 2nd run didn’t have a fair advantage?

[@mmorgz6622]

It would have cooled down in the time it took them to reset the test. The heating elements or wires are very thin and cool down quite fast. And in a 13 second run, the case of the heat gun would have barely warmed. Certainly not enough to hold temp between tests

[@kepler656]

Proof that youtube commenters can find an issue to complain about in a video better than a needle im the haystack

[@allencoxx5739]

@@mmorgz6622 we don’t know the time between tests and you say it would barely get warm in 13 seconds but reached a few hundred degrees in a few second. It don’t take long to reach max temperature

[@RandysRides]

Money advantage ?? They were comparing zip tie cost, not heat gun. Oh....you meant FAIR.

[@kepler656]

Yes and we have to take into account the ambient humidity and UV index, plus what if some zip ties were stored in a warehouse longer than the other? Also, we never even were told how many clicks the zip ties were set at??? This is a very scientifically accurate test on youtube, we need consistancy!?!11

[@n0vascythe362]

as a roof plumber by trade not choice, we have to drill a couple hundred holes through 2-3 sheets of sheet metal everyday using a 1/8th drill bit and they snap pretty regulary but its more due do to hitting something on the other side

[@ajevans8227]

I would never spend that much on a shop vac And I’m convinced you two are at least related

[@etherealicer]

Question is, how do they hold up after a year (or years of regular use). How do they hold up standing in a corner after having vacuumed some water. And what I found kills electronics, how well do they deal with metal dust. Mind you, I'm not claiming the expensive one is better, just saying that this test might not tell the whole story.

[@backspaceninja9860]

I love the Dewalt brand so I got a shop vac from Amazon made by Dewalt for about 80$ and it’s fantastic.

[@Blortoblorto]

Dating

[@Ikuorai]

Love this stuff. But def want more car content and deep dive type stuff like the Donut of old too! Also, damn those airhammers were tiny. A real good snapon or Mac one is like 3x the size. I would expect the HF one to be small and not powerful, but an expensive one should be way larger and do those studs like nothing.

[@allothernamesbutthis]

i would have drilled in to the center of the head just to stop the hammer moving all over the place

[@mobileterminaluzer1858]

I want more James yelling, screaming from his older webisodes.

[@stevedavetas1059]

For $304 for 1 package of the expensive ones you can buy 160 packages of the cheap ones, that is total of 16000 zip ties... Definitely going with the cheap ones😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

[@scubasteve9715]

Can you guys do some more vintage tools vs new? I loved the last video 👍

[@TheHaiko117]

Great duo of hosts, lots of fun

[@thatdude8247]

TTC did a video about the long air hammer and it's bad ass.... Might want to give it a shot before spending them dollars

[@thechaddest0]

You guys need to get Project Farm in on some of this testing. His testing methods are extremely precise and accurate. Would love to see a collab.

[@gearzpop8457]

Was the heat gun cooled before the second ziptie test?

[@irlikingpie]

If you want science and all that, go watch Bill Nye.😄

[@RandysRides]

Depends if it cools down in the 5 minutes or more before rigging up the second test. I'll guess yes.

[@gearzpop8457]

@@irlikingpie ProjectFarm is the one hahaha

[@justinmixon7031]

"3:11 for 3 lines" man that brought back some good times 😂 i tell you i do miss partying like i used to but it really isnt worth it and people that dont live like i have are honestly awesome as fuck

[@ThomasBilt]

They didn't let the heat gun cool off, it started from cold for the expensive zipties and was already hot for the harbor freight

[@nomicwave]

It wouldn't matter. Heat guns heat up rapidly and exponentially, so basically they would go from 0% (ambient temp) to around 85% (500c assuming it's rated 1500W) in a second or two and then to 95% in another second or so and the last 5% would take as long as 10 seconds. So whether it fully cools down or not, it will still get to 500c in as quick as 2 seconds with maybe a difference of no more than a few milliseconds.

[@jakehiggins5118]

Heat guns heat up stupid fast so I highly doubt that made any difference

[@SimulatedGoat]

10:52 Your editor deserves a raise just for that alone

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

Idk who my favorite duo on YT is; Jobe and Jeremiah or Cletus and James.

[@mitchwyatt9230]

Project farm tests a ton of products and does a great job with it. If you like review videos like this, his channel does it better (no lame overselling or goofiness).

[@downsouthlouisiana]

Project Farm is legit!

[@sonorangaming449]

second this

[@mephistoninja2213]

But are they strong enough to lower your car??

[@sr20xrarity]

tbh jerry and zak got chemistry together on the screen i love it they funny af

[@eXe09]

This was more fun than education, I'm not sure how to feel about it, because the rest of your content is pretty "scientific" and educational, most of the time.

[@msw7021]

How to feel about it?

[@juliet4093]

@@msw7021 yes that is what they said

[@audikid89]

Zach pushed way too hard with that drill 😂

[@youstolemyhandleyoutwat]

As a MAN SHOULD.

[@brutusvk2]

I bought a $70ish air hammer off of Amazon. That thing works pretty well. Used it to knock out 50 year old press rivets and wheel studs. Saw folks recommending it on car forums. Sometimes they have good info lol

[@thatgamingchannel95]

You just have to LOVE the consistency and discipline these guys have to upload EVERY SINGLE DAY❤️💯

[@forget2bhuman993]

they dont anymore tho. lol they upload for about half the days lately. they used to do more 'shows' but with no high low or anything running atm, its every 2nd or 3rd day if you didnt notice. well, guess you didnt notice, since you say consistency, seems like you pop on every few days right as they upload and have the wrong idea.

[@specialZ45123]

The scientific approach to the ridiculously unscientific tests will always keep me watching 🤣🤣🤣

[@zoinksxscooby]

Watching Jerry try an knock that bolt out brought a smile to my face. He was so sure it wasn't working only for it to be no problem. He reminds me of myself and how you just need to try again a different way. You go Jerr, keep at it fam.

[@mattwiederholt7258]

After having worked at hf for two years I realized they have a good amount of quality products you just have to know what is what

[@Clay3613]

Did your location understaff too?

[@SpaceMissile]

and, more importantly, know what's _not_ what.

[@JustAWorms]

@@SpaceMissile whos to say an impact driver isnt a good replacement for a socket wrench

[@SpaceMissile]

@@JustAWorms torque wrench? ha ha impact driver goes _dugga dugga_

[@hydorah]

These zipties cost $300 because they are made of special plastic that resists... Corrosion? All plastic has that power!

[@thagerdorn2009]

I bought a Hart brand 10 gallon 6hp shop vac at Walmart on sale for 39$. Thing is an absolute beast. I used my father in laws commercial contractor grade shop vac before and this does just as good of job if not better. And beats having to go to the car wash every time I want to vacuum my vehicles out. I haven't tested any other hart products, but for the price, buy the Hart shop vac. I also have a cordless Ryobi shop vac and it's a little monster as well. I owned Milwaukee tools for a long time and switched to Ryobi after a recommendation and from my experience of working on cars the last 14 years, the Ryobi is just as good if not better. And they are made in the same place as Milwaukee. You're paying for a name is all you're doing. Most of harbor freights cordless tools are junk. But their corded sawzalls and angle grinders and cut off wheels are fantastic for the price.

[@MC-ez6gb]

Don't feel it was a fair first challenge... by having 15 to start versus 10, means the load from the start is more on the blue versus the black zip ties

[@skiivisualz5700]

SAME thought i had also!

[@archemides1517]

but they are also thicker thent the harbour fright ones i doubt it makes much of a difference either way

[@ckl8a]

I disagree. at the start each blue tie had more load on it, but as soon as they cut the first 5 black ties, the load on each was the same. someone in another comment pointed out, the material the blue ties are made from isn't as strong as the nylon black ties. the blue ones are special because of their chemical and heat resistance, not their strength

[@jasonpypsaeris4643]

I feel the zip tie test was unfair. I understand you gave it a boost because it’s the cheaper one, but being that you guys gave extra ties the amount of starting load wasn’t even. Had you done 10 vs 10 then at least there’s no denying the test was fair and started on a level playing field.

[@florianix8272]

Even with the same number of ties it wouldn't be even because some may lay on top of each other and things like that. To really test that you would need to test each of them separately! The tests are just ridiculous because none of them is scientific and all have the "human error" in it.

[@Rusty90]

That and the fact that they had the same load rating at 50lbs, they should if tested like you said 10 v 10 but also tested in a chemical scenario since the expensive ones were made specifically for chemicals. Made no sense to do a weight test when that’s not the difference between the two.

[@bniisantos]

Why are you indecisive about Wich ones to buy?

[@jasonpypsaeris4643]

@@Rusty90 exactly!!

[@ugzz]

I work in a tech office, and we used UBER cheap pennies on the dollar zip ties for a projector install, and after about 2 years they just snapped and the cables dropped. We checked them out and they were so brittle they snapped even trying to bend them slightly. We still had some left in the plastic container and they were all so brittle we had to throw them all away. Now we at least look for outdoor rated nylon ones, but still tend to sort by what's cheap :).

[@obsidian....]

I love how unscientific these are. The complete and total lack of variables, control and designed use case is hilariously stupid 🤣

[@markwhoeverdafuck4114]

this

[@DaveWraptastic]

I mean it didn't even look like those fish tanks had equal amounts of water in it, while measuring 5 gallons is the easiest shit to do 😆

[@CapnFlappyJaw42]

obviously these videos aren't supposed to be for professional shops. these videos are there to show average joes who like to work on their own car, that they don't need professional grade products just to do garage work.

[@louisgonzalez9489]

Project farm is much better

[@jonsauce]

Yup with no data being recorded and analyzed these tests are useless haha

[@axelcottocotto5626]

2:56 obviously The cheaper ones are better😂🤣 $300 for 100 zipties? Naaaa😂🤣🤣 its way cheaper just change The ziptie when its broken

[@mmypolya]

Your ad quality gets higher every time!!! Amazing Death Knight integration!! Good luck 🤞 and thank you for the video 🥰

[@MintStiles]

Materials aside, it really is the certifications that add a huge cost to the products. Otherwise there are many other factors to consider such as UV resistance, temperature extreme tolerance, life expectancies... Etc. Let's just say that you won't likely find these competing with steel cables for structural applications, though these will have very specific uses in other applications. Modes of failures and engineered failure points really become issues too in some applications. Most recent quality ties won't be too different in performances, though time will differentiate them apart based on various environmental factors.

[@jamiepitts3389]

Would be interesting to see how the stainless steel zip ties perform in these tests.

[@williammorgan5987]

Drill bit performance is multiplied a bunch if you use drill oil, wax, or even kroil or pb Milwaukee vacuum is minty