We tested ALL the tennis balls! (almost)

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[@EP-yc2gu]

Drinking from an empty can of tennis balls. Now that’s a true nerd. 🎾 🤓

[@allemyr]

yeah good solid prank!!

[@rikkkretue4945]

Damn! He is absolutely old school. I love it!!!!

[@AFenderson]

tennis ball flavored vodka, that's something i can get behind!

[@mattiastennis]

Jonas, great video and one of your BEST of all time. This was the video that NEEDED to be made and is a literal checkmate to all those who claim 'the ball isnt the problem' or 'your making excuses'/'its you who is the problem' whenever one complains about the ball! The ball makes a lot of difference and as you noted certain balls suit certain players just as much as certain surfaces. Its also a great video because it covers balls I know very well. But where was Wilson US Open, Wilson Tour Premier, Tecnifibre X-1 or Dunlop's ATP ball? Maybe there will be a Part 2? Firstly Prince balls. These seem like rock pillows when I hit them. They seem as heavy as they feel cushion-ish and feel something is very novice-like about them. Never have seen them used at any club let alone any club competition or tournaments. Dont know why they exist.. Dunlop AO's I have used endless cans of these and while the marking AO at first makes for a slightly odd bounce its usually more 'fluffed up' then usual and sometimes it becomes more feltish with hitting. Its a great ball but I have noticed recently that its quality has dropped a bit. It has a lot more bounce in it then most other balls minus the RS. Its not as durable ball and new cans should be opened for every tournament match. I find I get 2-3 hits out of it and then it goes into the serving basket. Compared to the Fort its less heavy but its slightly better to hit with. Dunlop ATP is the best and should be used for tournaments if you want cans to last more. Head Tour/Head Tour XT's I have used also a lot of cans and these are crappy with limited bounce. There is near nil quality control in these balls. At the last tournament I was at which Club WORSHIP this ball and the firm itself, this ball was the opposite of durable. After 2-3 sets this ball is borderline unplayable. The bounce is gone and I felt I could not hit forehands or serve well. On that same day for a test I did some practice hits with Dunlop AO and there was a complete difference. Something interesting to note about Head Tour XT regarding Weather is that in the over-heated southern Baron(in more ways than one) continent of the world, this ball has LIMITED bounce still. Maybe its just the batches that come here but it has less bounce then most balls I have used. Honestly though Head has/had a great name and make some great racquets but they should find someone else to manufacture these ROCKS. That is what Head Tours become like. That being said at least they are not Head 'Championship'/Rubbish-ship which along with Babolat Golds aka wrist-breakers, Penn, Spinfire and Wilson 4-packs are the WORST BALLS of all time! Slazenger Grass balls are very flighty and skid on the surface. Not great at all but thankfully never have to play a tournament or fixtures with them or ever will. Slazenger are nearly in the worst balls of all time category. Not a fan or a skeptic of Wilson Tour Premier or the black/blue can. Too heavy and somewhat sluggish to play with but its one of the most durable ever. By the second and certainly third hit they come in nicely. One ball that has caught my attention is Tecnifibre X-1's. Decent all round ball and it doesnt have much break in time. It is also quite durable and does not fade away quick. Balls I can recommend: Dunlop AO then Dunlop ATP/Dunlop Forte, and Tecnifibre X-1.

[@pedrox96]

I'm currently using Tecnifibre X-One on outdoor clay and I'm enjoying a lot. It's pretty hard once you take it out of the can but give it 15 minutes and it's playing great. Nice playability and insane durability. It lasts for so long. Wonderful bounce, feel and control. I love it! RS also makes some really nice balls.

[@fuzziepandas]

one of the best ball out there. little pricey for a ball but very worth it.

[@mattiastennis]

X-1 is a good ball for sure and works well on hardcourts. It seems well balanced and pressurised. Sadly not played at any tournaments or any fixtures I have come across..

[@hybrid11theory75]

@@fuzziepandas They are relatively cheap for how durable and premium they are. U can get a can for 8 EUR here in europe..

[@applesforakbar]

RS black is the best ball I've ever played with. However everyone here should try the Decathlon brand the blue and red - both will surprise you. You guys need to do a part 2, so many big names not on the list, wilson open, pro penn, dunlop fort...

[@vwmusicplaylist1935]

Great roundup. Love stuff like this.

[@RonnieJamesOsbourne]

As a flat agressive player on hardcourt, ProPen Marathon Heavy Duty is the ball for me. Those balls last so long, I've hit them until the felt starting coming off and they STILL retained their bounce/pressure.

[@CynicalWolverine]

Pro Penn balls last forever. They are the longest lasting in my opinion. Still hit like new after hours of play.

[@TheBronzika]

I haven't tried RS balls but my favourite ball at the moment is Wilson RG clay (playing on clay) with Tecnifibre x one in close second. Tretorn was excellent for practice though I don't know which "model" it was. For winter /moist season Wilson Triniti pro was very good as it lasted the whole season. Maybe a little bit too hard but it is expected I guess. Dunlop all court is OK but compared to Wilson RG and Tecnifibre it falls short in every department.

[@Javi_C]

I wasn’t aware of most of these brands, thanks Jonas & Henrik!

[@vwmusicplaylist1935]

The type of surface you play on (fast, slow, degree of bounce, abrasiveness etc) can have a big influence on the type of balls you choose. Personally I like Head Tour - very good playing balls that last a while. Dunlop All Court Fort (good all rounder) and Slazenger Wimbledon (slightly lighter) I like as well but they wear out much faster.

[@kogoromori5198]

I always buy the red Artengo TB930. Very durable, not too hard out of the box, not too fast either and a very good price.

[@derekng8454]

That will be the next thing on my shopping list at Decathlon. Is it a little harder and more durable than the regular TB920 tennis balls?

[@kogoromori5198]

@@derekng8454 yeah, like you say. The TB920 is a little softer, more bouncy and far less durable as far as i remember, but also worth a test. The double pack they sell online is a very good deal. At least my declathon i can not find the double packs in store.

[@italianharris]

Brilliant review, i think the dunlop fort ball has changed - since covid - seems cheap - prefer the dunlop atp ball blue/black can. my fav balls are still pro penn marathon ball then the dunlop atp, then Tecnifibre X-One, then babolat gold

[@tomr6955]

I like Slazenger or Dunlop AO. At our club we play with Babolat, Head or Wilson and they are all terrible, you can see an obvious seam around the ball and they are not round. Plus they are rock hard, especially Wilson.

[@CH-yp5by]

Dunlop ATP balls in the plastic container are my favourite, the ones that come in the tin container fluff up too quickly like the AO balls, second favourite Dunlop Forte, they are great balls!

[@lucioantoniomurature3069]

Mate, I tried last week this Dunlop ATP in the blue plastic container because they were on sale and they are THE BOMB. I'm used to play with Dunlop Fort but they get worn out super quicky, maybe 1.5h they are fine but they start to decay a lot after that. These Dunlop ATP regular ones I highly recommend and they also feel great out of the tube.

[@shaunpickering4427]

Dunlop ATP in plastic containers are ATP championship. Aren’t they lower grade balls compared to ATP in tin can

[@CH-yp5by]

@@shaunpickering4427 You would think that but they play better and do not fluff up as easily

[@crazychicken4800]

The Dunlop atp balls that come in a plastic can feel really light to me

[@allemyr]

Nice to see you test the Dunlop AO ball! Henrik should give it a second chance I think the ball is very good for a heavy topspin stroke like his. IMO. It can make superspin and for sure it will fluff up to aggresive topspin. Play with it for 30 min continues rally it will be great!

[@ViaticalTree]

Great ball

[@TennisASMR]

As a ball machine owner Wilson Triniti’s are a god send for practice seshs...same with spin-fires. I’m too cheap to keep buying pressured balls & them going flat in 2 sets at most

[@itschickenlittle1409]

As far as durability, weight, being able to produce spin and control/feel… AO Dunlop have been my all time favourite balls! I did compete in a clay court tourney where they used Yonex balls and I thought they did pretty good too. I’d be interesting in trying out the RS Pro and Tretorn Tour balls

[@allemyr]

The Dunlop AO is awesome!! And Very similar or not the same Dunlop ATP! The two best balls I've ever used, they are awesome straight out of the can.

[@allemyr]

I'am not a fan of RS balls, the white can ball doesnt adapt to spin, it doesnt feel so rubbery.

[@Nadu16]

Has anyone tried the Artengo Comfort Pro from Decathlon? Just played a tournament match with them and they felt really nice out of the can, not too slow and nice to play with overall. Apparently it's being used at the Moselle open right now. Would love to hear more opinions on these balls!

[@waldemarvanzyl7414]

Thanks. Was interesting! 2 that are missing would be Technifiber X-One Yonix Tour Platinum

[@hankthetanksweden]

We contacted Tecnifibre and they did not send balls but we did try the Yonex tour balls after the test and I loved it!!

[@testtestph]

We just use the Decathlon Brand Artengo TB930, pretty hard but durable. Not to mention the price..

[@brunis_m]

Jonas, in addition to the tan, Spain has also gifted you a Nadal-esque whip on the forehand 😅

[@johnbrondum]

I live in Australia (warmer climate) and bought a case of the HEAD Tour XT balls. The overall quality was poor and most times I'd bring two cans to be sure to have enough good balls to play with, as some of the balls were flat straight out of the can. I play with Babolat Gold All Court balls now - mainly because all of the clubs in my area use them for competition.

[@mattiastennis]

Can ONLY AGREE with your statement on Head Tour XT's. Garbage balls and sadly are used in League Fixtures and a few tournaments. As for Babolats only know of 2 places to ever use these so thats odd to hear of 'all of the clubs' using them. For the hyper-inflated price of fixtures and tournament entries now its an insult to everyone that such trash balls are used.. Dunlops and Tecnifibre X-1's are WAY better and yet there is NIL difference in cost to just simply have good balls

[@rikh78]

we have to play Slazenger Wimbledon in our league matches and they are universally hated. They go super fluffy after 30 minutes and after 2 sets they are dead. I always buy Dunlop ATP, they are way more durable and much nicer to play for long periods.

[@cradlecap123]

True really fluffy. I think our league has the Dunlop ATP at the moment. For years they used the Wilson US open which were the best I've ever used.

[@Nessaj87]

Really missing Wilson US Open and RS White (assume it was hard to get hold of, know it was hard to get the US Open balls for some months) + bring the Babolat Team All Court so I could have your opinion on those balls. Because the Babolat balls seemed to be really, really bad. Played first match of the day at double tournament, so we opened the Babolat Team All Court can. And none of us 4 was heavy hitters, still the balls were dead before 1hour had passed. While a can of US open balls I've brought for several practices without having thoughts about the balls needing to be replaced. Dunlop Fort All Court seems to be solid as well.

[@rich.e]

Thanks to both of you for testing all of these out. Head Tours are my favourite on the synthetic clay courts at my club - they're a touch firm and seem to plough through the dirt well. Something a little softer like Dunlop AO or Slazenger Wimbledon play a bit better on our faster hard courts, as expected, but not great on the clay (too slow and strangely hollow sounding). Shout out to Dunlop Fort for all round play as well, plus I also like both types of the Wilson RG balls.

[@AFenderson]

oooh if i was still living in sverige i'd try to procure a Båstad ball!

[@experientialtennis]

My balls of choice are: - Head Tour XT / Dunlop Fort Court (green n' black): durable with great playability, might feel a bit hard at first, they need a few minutes to break-in - Dunlop ATP Championship: best price/performance ratio Worst: - Wilson US Open Extra Duty: too light out the can, the ball flies everywhere, good after an hour of play, durability is not bad, but very limited - Head Tour: i don't know if my balls were defected, but after an hour of low hitting, all 4 went dead flat

[@awachsmann]

I switch between the Dunlop Grand Prix and the Dunlop ATP. No complaints.

[@sebastiandomagala9233]

I always try to play without any concern of what balls I currently use. There are so many variables anyway (temperature, outside air pressure, humidity, new or old strings etc.), I don´t care about the ball at all. The balls (in Germany) are the choice of the tournament staff anyway, and even they have to use the same brand as used in the leagues. Funny enough, the Dunlop AO is widely spread among tournaments in western Germany (where I play), although it really is a ball for hard courts. But when I do have a choice, I prefer Artengo TB930, they are average in any respect and made out of natural fibres (75%) instead of spreading micro plastic. Renewaball would be even better, but the first test patch was quite a letdown, too little pressure. Finally, I bough a pressurized ball can, so the only thing I look at is the felt. Again, TB930 is the best bang for the buck with quite some margin.

[@leeprimeroessler3277]

I would like to see this in two parts. One for Clas balls, and on for hard court.

[@Matthewct96]

Play with the Australian Open! Good for the first 45 mins then fluffs up way too much!

[@ivanjo6478]

I usually buy Dunlop Fort (green can) and yesterday was my first time using TF X-One ball and it's way way way too bouncy, my group was having hard time adjusting. Is TF ball usually that bouncy?

[@bsinghgill]

I use TF-X1. They are pitched as a ‘fast’ ball and are lighter than others. They are better when the felt fluffs up, but when the felt bobbles and the writing dislodges from the ball is when they are spent and you need to open a new can. I believe these are used in the Marseille open. Most balls are only supposed to be used for no more than a set to remain consistent. I may try a can of Artengo balls as other commenters have mentioned they are as good as those tested in the review 👍

[@bodzislawfakjutu]

What about your opinion of RS Pro on clay court?

[@Multisportamateur]

TOP 5 balls for me. 1. Dunlop Fort Élite (Made in Philippines) 2. Dunlop Fort All Court (Made in Philippines) 3. Slazenger Wimbledon 4. Penn Marathon 5. HEAD Tour XT.

[@jonathanp639]

What racket are you rocking theses days Jonás?

[@rakeshshrestha5099]

Great review guys 👍🏼. Shame u didn’t try my favourite balls which is the Wilson US Open and Dunlop Fort.

[@Tennisnerd]

This will happen too 👍🏻

[@vscope]

great test! i would llove to see babolat team and team clay in part 2. in my opinion these are very good balls.

[@GokuSaiyan902]

My favorite is technifibre x-one. Lasts around a month for me and I play several times a week

[@vwmusicplaylist1935]

That ball gets destroyed after a 2-3 hour session when I use them.....

[@tennisdxb]

You’ve should weight all of them, my still favorite dunlop fort all court tho (dfac weight as i know 57gr)

[@chrisburke9932]

My favourite ball would be the artengo blue, now called comfort pro used to be called tb920, another comment also on them in here.

[@cradlecap123]

The best balls I ever used were the Wilson US Open all court. On the whole they kept their pressure really well.

[@TheGreatGuy_]

no way the go soft so fast

[@Kelvin-ed6ce]

why are they hard to find at the moment?

[@Johnstage]

Can’t believe you didn’t evaluate the Wilson US Open. Very popular ball in NA. No?

[@CH-yp5by]

too heavy

[@mattiastennis]

You must like hitting through the ball a lot or hitting flat heaps. With Wilson US Opens you cannot really spin up or feel with the ball like Dunlop AO's which are far better

[@syncbox]

What’s the ball with the highest bounce?

[@crsantin]

I switched to Artengo. They last much longer than the more popular brands and play just as well.

[@sebastiandomagala9233]

Plus they are made of natural felt (75%) instead of plastic

[@marcink5]

Which artengo? There are some models, some are not so good

[@stefanthomassen4750]

Artengo are crap balls, used them on clay on Mallorca, shit balls which weakened quickly...no compare to Dunlops Tournements, which I prefer, but which are fuckin expensive...Dunlop ATP is cheap but good, I use him for giving lessons.

[@crsantin]

@@stefanthomassen4750I never tried them on clay, hard court only. They aren’t crap at all, better than a lot of Wilson’s I’ve played.

[@sebastiandomagala9233]

@@marcink5 TB 930

[@andreasozzi2538]

Jonas are you using Extreme Tour?

[@nglfmark1]

Not sure if those extra large balls are still around. They were quite different and lasted a long time too.

[@jorgeandrescoppiano.5715]

What about the Tecnifibre X One balls?

[@rkytr.2765]

I agree… I used to play with the Dunlop ATP Ball but my last order from Amazon, the new ones were produced in the philippenes instead of my old ones from Thailand…. The new ones felt very different to what I am used to… I mean completely different. The new ones are much softer and bouncy compared to the old ones… didn’t like them… fist I thought I got fake Dunlop balls but that wasn’t the case.

[@rds4629]

BTW thank you for adding a caption that it's stencil ink. KZbin may have thought you had killed someone:)

[@luigin3213]

Tell me soft strings for the arm and have good durability

[@experientialtennis]

L-Tec Meteor, L-Tec Meteor Pro, Mayami Magic Twist, Dyreex Black Mist, Isospeed Second Service and many more. Pick a polyester that is characterized as "mute" and "plasticky" like Mayami Magic Twist, Dyreex Solaris - Solaris Spin first.

[@DanTuber]

US open are the best balls, followed by slazenger (wimbledon). Dunlop AO don't last more than 3 sets. Tretorn are rocks. The others i haven't tried.

[@elchanclascocina]

After watching this I can say: I'm a tennis nerd (cause I watched the whole thing); Prince are really really bad, but definitely they work for hard hitting players (not me); seems that Tretorn has a bad reputation from older days, but today I see people liking it; I liked Henrik's backhand, smooth and powerful ✌️

[@saugus2]

Living is USA, most of these brands are not available. And I see Yonex Tour on the list, when was that tested ??? I really really want to try the Yonex ball as I’m a huge fan of the brand so if anyone in Florida has a case let me know I’ll buy few cans from you !!! Anyway I would love for Jonas to test out some American offerings My favorite ever : 1: Pro Penn Marathon 2: Penn ATP (now Tour) 3: Babolat Gold AC Worst : 1: Wilson Titanium 2: Dunlop Grand Prix 3: Wilson US Open AC (quality control ) Any other US reviews ? Thoughts on new Technifibre X-One ?

[@lchristophor3107]

Why did Dunlop discontinued Forte Elite? They are the best.

[@nrg4285]

Honestly sounds like you both are wine tasting. Though at least there is more of a science to tennis balls than wine.

[@NurseJoe]

Damn, listen to the Blade v8 sound. Always heavy.

[@rds4629]

this has to be the most nerdiest thing:) thanks for the work. however, I'll stick to using the penn championship or whatever they use in our local tournaments/leagues. I don't want to get spoiled in practice and suffer in competition.

[@vwmusicplaylist1935]

Need time stamps for this video

[@brenhugh]

'This video is not sponsored by Manscape.' 😄

[@Nopanop]

Is this hit in sweden? Rather than malta?

[@hankthetanksweden]

Sweden (Norrahammar)

[@spirothegamer]

You are missing DUNLOP ATP Official, which runs circles around any ball you tried.

[@AFenderson]

Dunlop is hands down the best ball. I'll play 8+ hours with a Dunlop and notice very little diff

[@Tennishead21]

Technifibre X-One is the best tennis ball on the market at the moment. The finest tennis ball I've ever used. Bounce, durability, feel on the racket are all perfect

[@arthurevans2029]

I need a real comparison on practice, drill, and machine balls. Pressureless or not, I want to gather review info before purchasing any more duds.

[@nightowldickson]

The durability of Tecnifibre X-One door is second to none. In my opinion it's not fantastic right out of the can, but after about 15 minutes it improves and then it lasts a long time. Been playing with the Dunlop ATP in tin can and they are quite nice to hit with as well. I think they played better than the Dunlop AO - with the AO the bounce is not great off the can and it fluffs up way too much - the ball feels very slow once it fluffs up. Slazenger Wimbledon (metal can) was also surprisingly good but not as durable. I used to play with Wilson US Open but found them a bit hard (particularly in winter) compared to the Dunlops. Unfortunately I still think the old Wilson Australian Open balls were probably the best ball I've played with, they don't make them anymore and apparently it's been replaced by the Wilson Tour Premier ball in Australia (they claim it's a like for like replacement), but I don't think it's as good as the old Wilson Australian open ball.

[@experientialtennis]

I've also heard good words about the Tecnifibre X-Ones. The price is a bit high per can, though. Just got back into the Dunlop ATP Championship. Want to see their durability. If it is satisfactory, I may stick to them for good, since the price is 5.5€ per 3-ball-can (plastic) and 7.5 per 4-ball-can (plastic). If badget isn't an issue, the best are by miles the Head Tour XT and Dunlop Fort Court (green-black tin case).

[@villiam7941]

Interesting video, but don’t you think it’s important to have the same racket setup during the test? Changing rackets all the time is fun, but maybe not when you want to get clear test results. Also, you missed staples like Us Open, Tecnifibre X-One, Dunlop Fort… Båstad, Tretorn, Rs are cool and interesting, but how many can buy or will use them? 0,1%?

[@Tennisnerd]

We rotated racquets as well and only used setups we know. So we are pretty sure about the conclusions. More ball tests to come

[@villiam7941]

@@Tennisnerd great, looking forward. Have fun!

[@coachhannah2403]

I will play with anything on the court. I adapt. I don't like High Altitude balls because it appears the QA/QC is substandard. Even at altitude, I'd rather have lively balls... If I want to play with a ball with no bounce, I'll play pickleball.

[@Nopanop]

You did not include my fav brand -- technifibre

[@BenQ10]

I really think that to a significant extent the best ball is just whatever you are used to. And tennis balls are such an environmental disaster that it is well worth getting used to whatever is the least-bad option. Wilson Trinitis are absolutely fine, for example, and last much longer than regular pressurized balls. There are then a few very niche, local brands that are recycled and therefore (I guess) better still.

[@experientialtennis]

I was using Wilson Trinity balls for a whole year. They last forever! They feel a bit hard at first, but after 20-30 minutes, they settle well and keep their playability for several hours. From a point forwards, they become light, lose "Feel", but hold their bounce until they become completely damaged.

[@Kelvin-ed6ce]

A Kind of ball is able to play tennis. Do you know which one?

[@Kelvin-ed6ce]

An oddball

[@ItMaker5000XL]

This is cool, but do people actually pay like $5-7 per can for balls? I am basic and choose the Penn Championship balls from Costco in the USA... they seem good enough and go for about $2 per can when you buy the case. I enjoy trying other balls but it's hard to justify tripling the budget in order to do so. I'm also at altitude so we require "High Altitude" balls...

[@ViaticalTree]

I’ve played tennis for 30 years (admittedly not at a high level) and I’ve literally never heard of or imagined the concept of balls needing a break in.

[@Borjacold]

You didn’t tried the nordicdots balls?

[@bodzislawfakjutu]

What about Code Black?

[@billfly2186]

Almost none of those ball are readily available in the USA. Wilson US Open are my fave.

[@topbanana3413]

You shouldn't have switched rackets during the tests. Makes it a bit obsolete.

[@Axxelholm]

Båstad Bollen 🙌🏻🔥🎾

[@dedier8565]

Head Tour one of the worst, yet they made them official balls of club tournaments in Austria. Some shady business deals ://

[@brentisverycool]

Head Tour = Penn Tour?

[@HeiJah]

I like Babolat balls :)

[@johnaronson5974]

The most nerdy of nerd reviews ha. It’s hard to find most of balls you tested. Where I live, there are several different Penn balls. Probably not used in a Slam, but everywhere in my hood.

[@hankthetanksweden]

Head Balls are Penn in the US! We had Penn in Europe in the past as well but head took over them and rebranded them as Head in Europe

[@alwaysprepared]

No Penn balls??

[@artemshumilin]

I don't like HEAD balls

[@johannatom688]

RS balls are easily the worst balls ever created. Total garbage

[@tennisguru6739]

talking, talking, talking...