Weak Spark From One Coil (Waste Spark Coil Assembly)

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@oldskoolfunk71
@oldskoolfunk71 5 жыл бұрын
I just fixed a misfire yesterday, the #1 spark plug well was filled with oil. You are the man Paul, your knowledge is Boss status Thank you and your brother for your time and the amount of energy you guys spend in bringing us great content.
@amybarr5054
@amybarr5054 5 жыл бұрын
The UK really needs more techs/teachers like you dude. Pick up so much from all your videos thanks for posting.
@timothyball3144
@timothyball3144 5 жыл бұрын
Paul, you spark test method showed me a bad pack on a Ranger one time, then the bad new one a few weeks later. Returned it to NAPA and bought OEM. Thank You! Yes, loose sparks make boom. Had a tractor flooding. Pulled the plugs and cranked to clear the fuel out. The second crank sparked and lit the fuel. No one hurt, nothing damaged, but there were a few exciting moments!
@weldingjunkie
@weldingjunkie 5 жыл бұрын
Paul I’m sure I don’t need to tell you but your brother is just a straight up good guy. We need more people like him. Reminds me of me and mine. We are 2 years apart. I love the fact that we get videos out of it even if he’s being modest. Thanks for sharing ... Jay
@misterhandy5121
@misterhandy5121 5 жыл бұрын
Holy Cow Batman , I am surprised you didn't pull out the Pico lol I would have lost if i bet on it , great job once again Paul and great job caleb !!! thanks Danner !!! Keep teaching and we will follow !!!! People if you are not yet a member, Do yourself a favor, go sign up for ScannerDanner Premium , you will love it!!!! Paul For President!!!
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Thank so much man
@fascistpedant758
@fascistpedant758 5 жыл бұрын
LOL man! Four shops to find a bad coil?!? Thanks for the vid.
@Lemmy117
@Lemmy117 5 жыл бұрын
I sure miss the days where I was sitting in class studying automotive technology even your videos bring back those memories where I took in whatever I can learn and even doing the hands on work made the classes I took fun. Even watching your videos and watching EricTheCarGuy and such sure helps me learn a lot.
@rp5029
@rp5029 5 жыл бұрын
Your attention to detail is second to none. Much respect and thanks for another great video.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 22 сағат бұрын
​@mikejr550 the secondary provides additional CEMF and opposition to primary current. There are also 3 different ways a secondary can be configured which also affects how much a shorted secondary winding effects the primary ramp. It can be wired to coil +, a constant ground, or to another coil tower like in a waste spark coil.
@jnobody8918
@jnobody8918 Жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, thanks for this very helpful video. I had a Ford Fiësta here in The Netherlands that over the months started misfired during accelerating. You're video did put me in the direction of a leaking/shorting waste spark ignition coilpack. Exchanged it and the car runs now better than it did during the last few years. Thank you very much it was very helpful and I learned quite a lot of this !!!!
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@CaptainNero
@CaptainNero 5 жыл бұрын
Experience pays off. Thank you for the excellent video and explanation.
@peterotieno5365
@peterotieno5365 5 жыл бұрын
Peter from kenya great lesson learned your my number one youtube teacher.I pray GOD give more more days so that we can still learn more from you .God bles you, Caleb and your family.
@MeFixingEverything
@MeFixingEverything 2 жыл бұрын
In the summer I fixed my AC with your videos. Thanks again. Best wishes from East Europe.
@stephenmarshall5302
@stephenmarshall5302 5 жыл бұрын
cant be easy for danner to have a brother that is scanner danner in terms of being compared, he handles it really well and has the respect of all of us out there. really enjoy all the videos not just for the content but the chat and passion that comes through. long may the videos continue 👍🤜
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Danner is actually smarter than me and he knows it, that's how :-) I can't Express enough how much I love being at my brothers shop now. I love him so much man.
@wysetech2000
@wysetech2000 5 жыл бұрын
James is a pretty smart guy himself. I really enjoyed his video's.
@macknumber9
@macknumber9 2 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner how old are you guys? Just out of curiosity
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 2 жыл бұрын
@@macknumber9 my brother is 50 and I'm 49 🙂
@macknumber9
@macknumber9 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great way to find an idle issue that isn't smooth. You don't have to have a misfire code...it takes a decent amount of misfires to trip a code. You can simply and quickly test the gap that each coil can produce and find the relationship between them. If they are way off replace the coil because the power balance of the engine is way off. Learned a lot from this video.
@2secondslater
@2secondslater 5 жыл бұрын
When you see a cylinder 1 and 4 misfire code and you are instantly steps ahead in the reasoning for the vehicle having had the cat convertor replacement..... Great vid, Paul.
@dastanprobg2071
@dastanprobg2071 5 жыл бұрын
Hello from Kazakhstan, I wish all people have same passion as you for the thing they are doing.
@billyyoder8171
@billyyoder8171 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Dos Danners' and Caleb. Good job. Have a blessed and safe week.
@roadkill5333
@roadkill5333 5 жыл бұрын
That was TRES DANNERS!! Caleb gets to claim royalty also!! Although, he's not as pretty as Danner and Paul!! Lol
@tonistarks2874
@tonistarks2874 2 жыл бұрын
Bro, I'm diagnosing a car in the shop and it's showing the same problem.thank you so much for explaining the spark plug to the fuel injector dumping gas.thats what I needed to know and it did cross my mind in the beginning on a coil pack problem n spark plugs change😁👍🏽
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@jmc6940
@jmc6940 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for sharing. This is extremely high quality content that only 1 % of technician truly know and understand. You would be hard pressed to find a shop anywhere that could do it and teach it this good.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Justin
@NGAAutoTV
@NGAAutoTV 5 жыл бұрын
Your videos never get old or boring. There is always something to learn! Great case study in this one!
@fredflintstone8048
@fredflintstone8048 5 жыл бұрын
"Let me talk for a minute"?? I defy anyone to try and stop our brother Paul from talking... Just kidding. I for one am grateful for his talking. I've learned a lot. :-)
@BasicPoke
@BasicPoke 9 ай бұрын
Really good info and insight, thanks. Keep up the good work helping us learn how things work. Trying to determine whether a motorcycle has a weak spark, and this was helpful.
@arm2644
@arm2644 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for illuminating my path. That is exactly the symptoms of my coil pack and the misfire on my car that is triggering the "Depollution system Faulty" because the misfire due a week coil pack is not burning the fuel/air mixture as it should. Thanks
@arthurfricchione8119
@arthurfricchione8119 5 жыл бұрын
Paul, another good video.Thanks to all three of you for taking the time to teach us DIYers. Much appreciated. Wish I lived closer would love to work in your brother's shop. Thanks guys Artie 👍👍👍
@abonourabonour1006
@abonourabonour1006 5 жыл бұрын
You are the best. since I knew your channel I spend with it my best time. learning from you makes me happy thank you
@elchuy323la
@elchuy323la 5 жыл бұрын
Hola Danner Bros.. thanks for the great info you give us...its amazing how much info you have in your . human pcm../brain /
@donniejohnson7499
@donniejohnson7499 2 жыл бұрын
Paul Danner and brother. I sure enjoy watching y'all work together. I agree seen bad coil wires take out ignition coils. would be so cool to work with y'all. but disabled. awesome video.
@wyattoneable
@wyattoneable 5 жыл бұрын
200,000 subs looks good on you Paul. Your passion for teaching and finding faults is infectious . I always attack my own projects with renewed vigor after watching your videos.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Wyatt!
@SmittySmithsonite
@SmittySmithsonite 5 жыл бұрын
I never had one explode on me ... but I did get mad one time working on my '79 Mercury Capri 4-banger turbo (ignition problem) when I was 20, and put the handle of my hammer right through the top of the battery in anger. The acid splashed up all over me, my face, and got in my eyes. Luckily it was winter - just grabbed a handful of snow and rubbed the crap out of my face and eyes - got it before it even started burning, thankfully! Cat-like reflexes at that age! My clothes, however didn't fare so well, as you can imagine, LOL! When they came out of the wash, they looked like I stood in front of 10 shotguns loaded with #8 at close range. Mom wasn't too happy about that one ... 🤣 Learned a valuable lesson (a couple, actually) that day!! Great lesson, Paul, great filming, Caleb, and always great to see Danner - still so happy for you guys about that shop there! The Lord never ceases to amaze. 😎🍻
@bigdaddymak1439
@bigdaddymak1439 5 жыл бұрын
Great job Paul as usual! Caleb just remember Honda doesn't have a clear flood mode!! Great work both of you!! God bless!
@davidmoss9471
@davidmoss9471 5 жыл бұрын
Danner diagostics must definately be sinking in. Sat at home supping a cold one whilst enjoying the show. You throw the amp clamp on it and even though it was inverted i saw the pattern real quick and said to myself "that ramp isnt right, it shouldnt look like that" :) I hear those famous words in my head "you're done, throw a coil in it"
@JohnSmith-xx1lx
@JohnSmith-xx1lx Жыл бұрын
The beginning was a hands down winner thumbs up! 🤠
@toppledgod
@toppledgod 5 жыл бұрын
There's always something to learn with Danner, I was absolutely convinced that ANY spark was a good spark, I wouldn't have even entertained a present but weak spark as being a problem. The thing that changed my mind is the draw of the gest light weakening the spark further and enhancing the misfire. Further to this and something that was either unnoticed or not mentioned in the video was that when the spark gap of the weak coil was being tested the draw of the spark weakend the sister spark and enhanced the misfire pro ing the theory. Again good work Paul.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
That is correct, when you have an open on one side of a waste spark system it will affect the companion cylinder as well. Thank you!
@bartscave
@bartscave 5 жыл бұрын
Caleb! Again, you need to edit some of these like a laurel and hardy spoof film! You’re doing an awesome job!
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
he really is! I'm super proud of him
@luismarty1685
@luismarty1685 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul. Repetition is the best teacher.😁
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 5 жыл бұрын
What a great channel. That explanation for fuel fouled plugs is brilliant.
@johnbladykas4454
@johnbladykas4454 5 жыл бұрын
Every video is better than the last but they are all great
@crazyDIYguy
@crazyDIYguy 3 жыл бұрын
Love his style of teaching/explaining. Awesome 👍😎
@josedejesusvelazquez6863
@josedejesusvelazquez6863 5 жыл бұрын
I would say, this was a beautifully executed and documented diagnosis, good for you Danner and Caleb of course. Best regards from Tijuana 🇲🇽👍👍👍
@ivandrago2557
@ivandrago2557 5 жыл бұрын
Again you really do so much effort, deserve at least 1 milion subscribers. Can you make video about gasoline direct injection injector waveform. Thanks for everything
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
I have some GDI injection operation and testing available on SD Premium, but I am sure down the road you'll see some case studies here on GDI systems too
@ivandrago2557
@ivandrago2557 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner Thanks on Euro cars all new one have gdi systems. I looked on the internet and there aren't a lot of information, if I undrestood they are not classic power or ground side switches. They switch each other and voltage is much higher
@JOHNPHUFNAGEL
@JOHNPHUFNAGEL 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul the funny thing about waste spark systems is when you get bit, its a double whammy! compared to a regular coil. I was working on my daughters car checking spark at the coils and it had leaking wires and I didn't know it.. LOL I couldn't get away fast enough before I got hit about 20 times, and my dumb ass did it twice!!
@bouncingsoul777
@bouncingsoul777 3 жыл бұрын
I just found this guys videos. He does some excellent stuff. Just subscribed 👍
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you and welcome!
@Watchyn_Yarwood
@Watchyn_Yarwood 5 жыл бұрын
In my much younger days, I was trying to jump start a fork lift and blew up the battery in my face. Like you, my ears rang for a couple of days.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Scary stuff man for sure
@JaredHIll13
@JaredHIll13 5 жыл бұрын
I want that job so bad... Id have to move from Iowa tho ☹. The dealer i tech at promised futher training and after a year still nothin, i havent even got a GM tech number to sign into the comp. system..... So I learn from these vids and SDs book (better info anyways) By the way Paul the old timer in the bay next to me thinks ur book is excellent and hes been in the field since the early 70s. Ive even impressed him a few times with your diag methods🤙
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you
@roadkill5333
@roadkill5333 5 жыл бұрын
Even Warren, over at "WESTERN TRUCK AND TRACTOR REPAIR" KZbin channel, gives praise to your book and your instruction!! And he is a mobile diesel and farm equipment repair guy!! Ain't too many lessons in your books, describing how to pull a 150lb belly pan, out of a D8 dozier, in order to get the hydraulic hose out, while laying on your back in the Forrest, watching for bears!!
@tnamen1307
@tnamen1307 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner Sir, my i20 1.2 petrol has exactly the same coil pack layout as in 7.27 time. One coil pack has cylinder number 1 and 4, and the other has 2 and 3. Each coil pack is controlled by 2 wires each which means each secondary circuits are controlled by individual primary coil circuit. Now, there's less spark coming from the one high tower of first coil pack and same is happening in the second coil pack too. I checked for resistances reading of the secondary and primary circuit individually in both of the coil packs. They gave same readings about 14k in secondary circuits when tested with multimeter from one tower to another of the same coil pack. I wonder why such less spark is produced on one tower within the same coil pack where the 2 towers are controlled by the same primary coil circuit???? If one is showing less spark, why the same less spark is not produced in the other tower of the same coil? Please do really help me find solutions!! Have been struggling to find solutions but not succeed yet......Awaiting your utmost service.. thanks.
@patrickl6866
@patrickl6866 5 жыл бұрын
Another good video, as usual. By the way, I believe the reason yo were only seeing the bad coil trace rather than an alternating good/bad is that the shorted coil had a faster current ramp, therefore tripped the trigger level before the other (good) coil trace could trip it every time.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Best explanation yet but they still alternate and that trigger level was set to a point where both crossed it. Unless there is an internal clock on the sampling that has a delay before it actually draws the waveform??
@patrickl6866
@patrickl6866 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner . That's a good question. My answer assumes it was set up for a single trigger and it catches the 1st one that crosses the trigger level in time (which is the bad coil due to it hitting the current level quicker/steeper ramp).
@manuelamaya826
@manuelamaya826 5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations from Colombia, Thanks for all videos, You are very much teacher, dont not atachment the tester in the batery in the future.
@sam2007yes
@sam2007yes 3 жыл бұрын
Hi,Thanks for posting such a wonderful and educative video,i have 2007 Ford Explorer giving code code P302 Cylinder 2 misfire,checked found no spark in 2nd ignition coil.Pl suggest should i change the ignition coil.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 3 жыл бұрын
Check it for control first. These coils will short out and take out the computer driver for that coil. Easiest way is to swap coils and see if there is now spark on the circuit that it is currently missing on.
@rbbbjl1
@rbbbjl1 5 жыл бұрын
Bit of a control freak, Paul! Your still a good teacher!
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Why because I want my brother in the shot when he's talking? Lol whatever
@bokhalomuj6890
@bokhalomuj6890 5 жыл бұрын
the best teacher everything shows very well :)
@scuba422123
@scuba422123 5 жыл бұрын
good to see both you bros together!
@mandycole21
@mandycole21 5 жыл бұрын
Well another great video as always and I've got a question on that waveform at the top of it will it always have a tail like that or was that mainly bc of it showing as open signal???
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
sometimes that tail can be induced by having the amp clamp too close to the coil housing. I believe that is why we were seeing the large tails but a large tail can also indicate an open plug or wire
@mightymagnum8811
@mightymagnum8811 5 жыл бұрын
I have a question. When carrying out such spark gap jumping tests, (on let's say a perfectly good coil), when the gap is increased until the spark no longer jumps, doesn't that immediately cause coil damage which had not been there before? Surely even just one spark that finds no easy part to ground is going to bore a channel through the coils internal insulation to reach the opposite end of the coil winding internally, and thereby initiate a channel of weak insulation which will eventually come back as a damaged coil customer, once some other factor put the ignition coil insulation under high load. I do this jump test myself, but I always try not to provide a gap larger than 10mm, lest when I do, the spark can't jump the gap and coil insulation is immediately damaged with even just one spark that can't reach ground. I realise the damage might not be apparent immediately, but I can't see how damage is not occurring. That enegy has to be going somewhere, so the only place I know of is a direct internal short, breaking down the internal insulation? This is only my assumption, so the question is, can anyone give a scientific answer as to why even just one internal shorted spark doesn't do damage? Thanks
@throttlebottle5906
@throttlebottle5906 5 жыл бұрын
one thing to add, on the double spark plug shared coils. bad plugs and wires can cause weak spark when testing, since it's using the other wire and plug as the ground path on other post. so bad wire end or high resistance from broken down wire can cause it to look weak when testing. I resistance test the plug wires first or use a known good wire and plug for the other side temporarily
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Think about this my friend, you are correct to a point, but an open plug or wire would NOT cause the spark to be weak on both sides of the coil! You would have to have BOTH plugs and or wires open for this to happen and that doesn't ever happen. This was a valid test and the only variable here was the dwell time issue I mentioned.
@EliTheOBDTech
@EliTheOBDTech 5 жыл бұрын
Mr. ScannerDanner good video content as always.
@NewLevelAuto
@NewLevelAuto 5 жыл бұрын
Where do I apply for a position there ? 🤓
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Can't afford you Keith lol
@NewLevelAuto
@NewLevelAuto 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner hmmmm . Guess I'll just have to apply for that one with Scotty then 🤣
@wysetech2000
@wysetech2000 5 жыл бұрын
@@NewLevelAuto That would be career changing.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Lol yeah, do that, he needs some guidance
@15205golfer
@15205golfer 5 жыл бұрын
very smart man, Mr. Danner
@sundayhonour5915
@sundayhonour5915 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. May God bless you richly
@jatinduggal584
@jatinduggal584 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for very detailed tech video
@paulelscey2465
@paulelscey2465 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. As are all your video's I have watched so far very informative and very useful to me as iam in the trade .I have to ask I was always told you should not pull ht leads of while engine is running as you can get a nasty shock is this not the case as you pulled them of with out get a shock.
@MechanicTechnicianRepair
@MechanicTechnicianRepair 5 жыл бұрын
Exselete diagnostic amigo. Nice video
@mikesabin8568
@mikesabin8568 5 жыл бұрын
Looking for a tech as well. Its an epidemic
@علي-ي4ن6ز
@علي-ي4ن6ز 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for best friends
@David-yh5po
@David-yh5po 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great info.
@neutrodyne
@neutrodyne 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a very detailed video. When you first checked the coil and found you had a weak spark my first thought was what about the spark plug or spark plug wire on the other end of the coil. Since pulling one wire out of the coil and checking the spark you still have another spark plug and wire in its secondary circuit. Couldn't you have simply grounded one side of the coil and then checked the spark on the other end of the coil? If you had a good spark at that time then you would know the problem is in the plugs and wires. If the spark was still weak them you would know that it was a bad coil or a bad coil drive circuit. What are your thoughts on my logic?
@laohantun7404
@laohantun7404 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate.....depth of knowledge you have is amazing.....God bless you even more...
@navigatorx1013
@navigatorx1013 5 жыл бұрын
Good demo and explanation.
@alaautotonics4403
@alaautotonics4403 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for these amazing videos and info !!! God bless you bro
@richardcranium5839
@richardcranium5839 5 жыл бұрын
dang i wanted to see you dance around doing the spark plug waltz. lol not really its no fun. i worked with a guy that liked to just yank wires off to find a miss. when ford came out with the duraspark 2 he got bit. that spark found its way to ground and the closest thing to the metal was his wee willy winkey. to this day i see him and call him sparky lol
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@MasterChief-sl9ro
@MasterChief-sl9ro 5 жыл бұрын
Wait till you grab a magneto.. They all watched while I turned it to time the engine. I looked like Doc in Back to the future. As I got hit with 50k volts of primary off it..My hair was standing up form the jolt. They laughed their ass off so hard. I never made that mistake again...
@tnamen1307
@tnamen1307 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner Sir, my i20 1.2 petrol has exactly the same coil pack layout as in 7.27 time. One coil pack has cylinder number 1 and 4, and the other has 2 and 3. Each coil pack is controlled by 2 wires each which means each secondary circuits are controlled by individual primary coil circuit. Now, there's less spark coming from the one high tower of first coil pack and same is happening in the second coil pack too. I checked for resistances reading of the secondary and primary circuit individually in both of the coil packs. They gave same readings about 14k in secondary circuits when tested with multimeter from one tower to another of the same coil pack. I wonder why such less spark is produced on one tower within the same coil pack where the 2 towers are controlled by the same primary coil circuit???? If one is showing less spark, why the same less spark is not produced in the other tower of the same coil? Please do really help me find solutions!! Have been struggling to find solutions but not succeed yet......Awaiting your utmost service.. thanks.
@scottmcintosh2988
@scottmcintosh2988 3 жыл бұрын
I heard you can use a double clip clip wire one holding a penny does that work ???
@ke6bnl
@ke6bnl 5 жыл бұрын
can you use a megger to check a spark plug wire? just a thought
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure Ed, I've never used one before and from what I heard they put out some serious voltage right?
@paulfiebke3909
@paulfiebke3909 2 жыл бұрын
Good seen this one, how is your grandbaby doing? May God bless you and your family most of all may God bless America 🇺🇸
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 2 жыл бұрын
she is doing great Paul, thank you!
@adamUDavies
@adamUDavies 5 жыл бұрын
So why did the rpm increase when you stuck the probe down inside the tower of the weak coil pack ? The coil wire was in your hand.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
did it? I don't remember. The only answer would be the test light was an easier path than the plug wire and plug and provided more reserve energy for the cylinder that was still firing
@dougs317
@dougs317 5 жыл бұрын
Very helpful info. Thank you
@elvinkasumovic3296
@elvinkasumovic3296 3 жыл бұрын
How does a distributor waste spark pick up coil look like? Ore dual triger modul?
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 3 жыл бұрын
cam and crank signals that feed the ECM, no different than any other system
@fire7765
@fire7765 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.
@bobyehchaoyi
@bobyehchaoyi 5 жыл бұрын
Can you use a regular test light to test spark? Does the high voltage burn the light bulb?
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Regular test light only! Do not use an LED light
@rajushaikh9045
@rajushaikh9045 5 жыл бұрын
Thank u for sharing your knowledge pls share about oscilloscope hantek, do you have?
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
sorry, I do not have a hantek scope
@seaox2109
@seaox2109 4 жыл бұрын
I love how honest and humble you are! I need a scanner to troubleshoot drive ability issues. Would you recommend the Launch, Autel, or an OTC? Thank you!
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 4 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of the launch but to be fair I've only seen the ones listed for $500 and under. Those are garbage.
@automotivetechnician921
@automotivetechnician921 Жыл бұрын
Sir I have Hantak 1008c oscilloscope.There is a question about this.Which option can I check for wasted spark ignition?please help۔ no 1 option secondary DIS positive fired and no 2 Secondary ignition DIS or CPC negative fired no 3 Secondary coil output diagnosis
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner Жыл бұрын
I answered this on FB
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner Жыл бұрын
on a waste spark coil, one side of the coil is firing positive polarity and the other side is firing negative. All those setting do is invert the waveform
@automotivetechnician921
@automotivetechnician921 Жыл бұрын
Sir thanks ♥️♥️♥️♥️
@automotivetechnician921
@automotivetechnician921 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much sir this is all I have learned from you
@terrancegrant1664
@terrancegrant1664 5 жыл бұрын
You two are funny! Keep up the good work.
@islam_peace786
@islam_peace786 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks sir for such a great video again.
@nancylewis7142
@nancylewis7142 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, for all this information, SD
@stuartcookie133
@stuartcookie133 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a Tech looking for a job but the Trolley doesnt go past my house and was wondering if they have a stable where I can leave my trusty steed while I work?
@Bige4u
@Bige4u 4 жыл бұрын
Surprising... the underhood layout of that 2006 Suzuki Forenza is strikingly similar to the 2009 Chevrolet Aveo ecotec engine and bay, but the aveo has a coil on plug cassette that runs down the center of the cylinder head instead of externally.
@rplayer9969
@rplayer9969 5 жыл бұрын
As usual, a great video.
@lh98
@lh98 4 жыл бұрын
no backfire happens from the accumulation of gas being drawn out the exhaust stroke ?
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 4 жыл бұрын
No sir. There shouldn't be any unturned fuel but if there was, it wouldn't be any different than a no compression misfire. Remember you have to compress the af ratio to get it to burn
@lh98
@lh98 4 жыл бұрын
ScannerDanner okay but what about in a different engine type let’s say a single cylinder engine in a riding lawn mower. If your one cylinder has weak spark and fails to ignite on the compression stroke (too much pressure for weak spark to ignite anything) wouldn’t you then possibly have a backfire out the exhaust or see some flaming out the carburetor if the spark is intermittent? I’ve seen single magnet magneto on a flywheel that had weak/intermittent spark that would flame out the carb and sometimes backfire out the exhaust which must have been failure to ignite with that weak spark or something had to have been out of time or valves not functioning correctly but upon inspection valves liquid tested fine. The magneto fires each time that flywheel magnet hits it which would be once in the tdc compression stroke and again when it completes a revolution at tdc after the top of the exhaust stroke
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 4 жыл бұрын
@@lh98 ignition problems can definitely cause backfiring, especially when the timing is off. I don't ever remember seeing weak spark cause backfiring though, a misfire, yes, backfiring, I don't think so
@mikechiodetti4482
@mikechiodetti4482 5 жыл бұрын
You live dangerously with the test light under the spark plug wire insulator! I've been bitten enough to NOT mess with coil spark! I've seen Eric O do the same thing. Nice Job! Be Careful!
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
It won't kill you. Just keep your distance if you have a pacemaker like my buddy Pete
@Ben_Chillin
@Ben_Chillin 5 жыл бұрын
What are some good tests to perform to verify supply current and ground for the coils? I've got a vehicle with weak spark on both coils and I'm suspecting a voltage drop in either the 12V feed to the primary winding or the ground for the primary. Both coils have already been replaced, ignition modules are integrated into the coils. I can't find any case studies demonstrating how to test for voltage drop on primary voltage supply
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
A scope would be the key as ignition coil firing events are too fast for a digital meter. What year, make, model and engine so I can verify the system design before I answer
@Ben_Chillin
@Ben_Chillin 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner 95 Mazda miata. I work for a company that builds cnc plasma machines so i have access to an old fashioned lab scope at work but not a low amp clamp. The car has been to three different independent shops and none of them could figure it out. Some back story... The problem first developed as a hot start issue. Would run and idle perfectly all day long, but once turned off it wouldn't restart for several hours. During this period i found that dipping the clutch at highway speed and cranking wouldn't start the engine, but releasing the clutch would get it running again. Lots of money spent between diagnostic fees and parts cannon. One shop said it needed coils, another said fuel pump, another said cam sensor. (Cam and crank hall sensors are integrated in one unit) I've replaced all those plus related items like plugs wires fuel filter etc. Been chasing this problem for two months now. At this point it won't run at all, it's a high compression build that blows out the spark during cranking
@Spelter
@Spelter 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the plug in this car, do they look different and how. A plug can tell you a lot and if a plug looks different then the others, you can pin it down to the ignition coil.
@yaseenhashim8538
@yaseenhashim8538 4 жыл бұрын
thanks scannerdanne really awesome
@amrodawod1776
@amrodawod1776 5 жыл бұрын
Work more than wonderful
@davidsummers2616
@davidsummers2616 5 жыл бұрын
Question am I right . 2005 Dodge Caravan with a 3.8 waste spark system. Number two cylinder not firing coil was not firing. Left Spork plug wire off coil. Pulled number 4 plug wire off coil. Coil Sparked onto number two coil. Engine died would not start. Or crank Chase down to PCM not demanding starter relay to engage. Is it possible the spark back feed through the coil to the PCM and Fried it
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
When you pull a plug wire off of a coil you absolutely HAVE to give the spark somewhere to go (which is why I use my testligh) or you can damage the coil and or the driver that controls the coil.
@chungaleta1234
@chungaleta1234 5 жыл бұрын
I think I saw those are 2 coil packs, for 2 cylinders each, wouldn't it be wise to replace both? if one went bad, chances are the other one is close to go bad too..... or is it a single coil pack with four outputs?
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
It is a single coil pack assembly. Two individual coils housed together sharing a common power feed on the primary side.
@chungaleta1234
@chungaleta1234 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner Got it!!!
@MB-lh5kw
@MB-lh5kw 5 жыл бұрын
Would you not do an injector clean to as the fuel wasn't burning correctly
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
Not needed on a port injection system
@MB-lh5kw
@MB-lh5kw 5 жыл бұрын
@@ScannerDanner didnt realise it was port injection, if it had been direct inject would you have done cyl 1&4 or all of them?
@tonypond8196
@tonypond8196 5 жыл бұрын
sweet video , some nice testing methods here .
@The1Camila4
@The1Camila4 5 жыл бұрын
My 03 120xxx miles just stoped , crank crank no start , cap, rotor , plugs, spark plugs replaced. Has sparks orange color from coil, and the wires looks like a week spark. Gas pressure fine all fuse fine , starter fluid on the TB and no signal . What else should it be ?
@roadkill5333
@roadkill5333 5 жыл бұрын
It's not always that simple! And it pays to have multiple tools at your disposal! Along with your expert guidance and instruction!! I once had a friend need to fix a misfire! And without spending money on the parts cannon ammo! I did all I could, without some higher tech equipment!! It was a 97 GM 5.7, with the dist. cap with the scientifically designed spark plug wire outputs, oriented towards the proper side of the engine. There was a low priced replacement dist cap installed, when he got it! It ran well, except for the obvious fuel spider issue, common on that vintage engine! But, shortly he developed a misfire, that even caused the MIL to flash! It was just that I couldn't figure out what was causing it. It turned out to be the cross talk inside a poorly designed dist. cap!! The 5&7 were sparking on each other, inside the cap, where the lines were close together, and fire was jumping between the two!! The spark was jumping from 5 to 7, and then 7 to 5, causing an odd misfire that I couldn't decipher on my own!! It took another buddy with a Snap On scanner, to be able to see what was happening, and when!! A new Delco dist. cap and a rotor fixed the problems! But, you could tell the old ones were brand new, and you couldn't see where they were cross talking inside!! It was just that spark was jumping, deep inside the cap, between the two line! No continuity! Just cross talk!! I checked for spark at each plug, and deduced that the coil wasn't bad! I figured that each plug was getting fire, and could tell no other issue for a sudden misfire! As we needed to replace the fuel injection spider anyway, I went ahead and did that job, before going any further! After that, it ran great, except for the oddly intermittent and changing misfire!! I even ran a test light along each wire, looking and listening for leaking spark!! I just finally gave up! When the scanner was hooked up, I wasn't around, but was told what was up before the new cap and rotor was installed!! IT ALL CAME BACK TO ME!! Some cheaper aftermarket dist cap and rotor would cause issues just like that, back in the day! I also got side tracked on the fact that 7 of the 8plugs were brand spanking new, platinum tipped plugs, but one was an older, likely an original style, regular plug! I thought an owner was having issues, and replaced them, which didn't fix the inj spider problems, and broke a new plug during installation, and just put an old plug back in! I wanted to get another matching newer plug, but he refused! He still has the older plug in there to this day!! Just having you demonstrate what to look for, what to listen for, and how to check for it all, is priceless!! And I did most of it!! Some times, you just need a scanner, or a rich customer, willing to pay for parts cannon ammo!! Lol THANKS FOR SHARING!! Say "Hey" to your mama!! ;-)
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
You can use the test light test on the cap end of the plug wires. Pull them off and make sure they all jump past the towers. The cross firing ones will NOT jump the same gap :-) Nice job and write up my friend. Thank you!
@roadkill5333
@roadkill5333 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder why I DIDNT THINK OF THAT?? Oh, I know!! I'm not as smart as...well ya know!!! Lol That would have been an AWESOME TRICK!! But, it was no biggie. Thanks!!
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 5 жыл бұрын
@@roadkill5333 lol, it's all good buddy. I've gotten my ass handed to me by this design in the past and it was that test that proved my issue over anything else I tried
@seniorwill
@seniorwill Жыл бұрын
Need help I have 2001 pathfinder engine 4 and 3 when engine warm no reaction but spark is there. Engine cold is ok having reaction on no.4 and no. 3.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner Жыл бұрын
Check compression
@mikejr550
@mikejr550 Күн бұрын
Wouldn't the sharp current ramp be a shorted primary? I'd think so since you're measuring primary current. Could you explain why you know that it's secondary? I'd love to know the theory.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner Күн бұрын
I'd love to share an image with you, but I can't here. Will you copy and paste this link and your comment in a new post on my forum? It's free to join. (Post it here www.scannerdanner.com/forum/scannerdanner-book-questions-and-discussion.html) Let me know when you post it (comment back here) and I'll share a waveform for you of a shorted primary winding compared to a shorted secondary winding. I also have a video is want you to watch where I mistakenly thought I had a shorted primary but it was a shorted secondary
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner Күн бұрын
Watch these videos when you have time! This first one has a shorted primary, and it cooked the driver in the PCM. "Ford 5.4 shorted coil primary winding and bad computer driver" kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2XVZoKZfbNogsk This second one has a shorted secondary winding. "How to test for a shorted ignition coil (Honda Distributor)" kzbin.info/www/bejne/npXCk4d5qNN3bdU And this third one I mistakenly called it a shorted primary winding when it was actually the secondary. "How to test an ignition coil/module with a test light (distributor ignition) - GM" kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3Wum2RvfdObmpI Would love to hear your comments after watching these. I have many more too btw
@mikejr550
@mikejr550 23 сағат бұрын
@@ScannerDanner Thanks!! those are great videos. I guess i just don't understand what the correlation is between the waveforms that shows a short in primary vs secondary. The GM distributor video I understand the ohms readings prove what you suspected, just not familiar with the waveform analysis.
@ScannerDanner
@ScannerDanner 23 сағат бұрын
​@mikejr550 do you understand why there is a ramp effect on coil of wire that is building a magnetic field? It's called counter electromotive force. That building/moving magnetic field is actually generating voltage and is an opposing force. With a primary winding shorted, there is no building magnetic field. With a secondary shorted, you still have a primary that is producing that counter EMF, just not as much since the secondary is shorted. I have some shorted injector videos that will help too
@mikejr550
@mikejr550 22 сағат бұрын
@@ScannerDanner Ok that makes sense. So think of the secondary as a shock absorber or damper on the work that the primary is doing. primary short will be steep almost instant spike and secondary will show a ramp but sharp start to the ramp. Is that correct?
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