Please note that the relic books are just an example in the video. Also it is a controversial topic but please keep the conversation respectful! Let us know what you think!
@donaldc794315 күн бұрын
relic books, accessories and lv10 gems are not for f2p players
@andysledge16 күн бұрын
Weird how the economy in like Warframe is fine even with Plat buyers but this p2w shit korean game doesnt because it promotes fomo
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
part of the business model :P
@lurk393717 күн бұрын
banger video. I hope you keep making loa content
@cvm-wd40Күн бұрын
What puzzles me is how do bussers keep finding customers? Like whos paying for others to play the game for you? I think thats the root of the problem Im not teally worried about relic books but wgat bums me is that ive been doing chaos and cube from the start never selling any of my gems bought many more and im not even close to getting a lvl 9 for my main sindce im not crazy enough to play same class 3-6 times
@CouplemasКүн бұрын
We`ve talked to some bussers and there are different types of customers: 1. players who dont have the gear but want the progression mats 2. players who dont have the time to do all raids (and/or are lazy) 3. Players who want a reclear or x10 title but dont bother to learn the raid 4. Players who made an alt roster just to funnel gold to main. Still a net positive in terms of gold There are probably other types, but these seem to be the most frequent ones
@KimJongUn-m5n9 күн бұрын
The ones I don't get are the ones that RMT and bus drive. Just RMT whatever amount you need like me lol.
@meguyu17 күн бұрын
This video is a great showcase on the issues of capitalism! Using Lost Ark as an example makes it really easy to understand
@TyroneBigguns-mk3og16 күн бұрын
It is not a good example of capitalism.
@cccning191916 күн бұрын
i like your English with german accent . good video!
@alexsavchovsky728216 күн бұрын
What the community can do is stop taking busses. It's a two-sided transaction. It hurts everyone and it can be addressed from either side. Of course, that is also unrealistic, there will be always passengers that want to take the shortcuts. But if a large enough number of players refuse to give their gold in that way, the bussing rates will drop. It won't solve the problem, but it will be a step in the right direction.
@omg187616 күн бұрын
Yeah but unfortunately it is actually a large community that'd rather take a bus than get jailed on their alts. Especially since big portion of playerbase has jobs/ other responsibilities so bussing is essential to a large portion of the population. Some people spend more time in game, some people swipe. Everyone values things differently and it is what it is at the end of the day. Just a game that people enjoy differently.
@VolumeZero12316 күн бұрын
There's a large amount of people who are not "playing" their roster but just bussing to make money. Most busses give more gold than the payment to take the bus. Therefore it won't stop because this is a profit making scheme for these people. The mokoko bootcamp showed that it's basically people who bus themselves to double dip their gold earn when they do raids. The only way for this to be solved is for AGS to hold a better stance against preventing bussing.
@joeyb872716 күн бұрын
lack of supply is the biggest issue here. its by design to force players into the cash shop to speed up their progression
@Couplemas15 күн бұрын
Yeah the game by design is inducing fomo and a lack of supply at the same time, while offering you a solution for the problem they caused, in the Cash Shop.
@CreetEnemyDK11 күн бұрын
i sell 500k gold
@kalnitez17 күн бұрын
Good video but now waiting for stoopz version
@Couplemas17 күн бұрын
If the face of Lost Ark watches the video I´d be honored xD
@fabulous1c17 күн бұрын
I really don't think that gold transfer between rosters is against the TOS (like you are suggesting 8:40) when I open Lost Ark, I can choose to play on multiple servers - not against TOS - do you agree? when I wanna sell an item at any price I want - not against TOS - do you agree? is multiple rosters a problem for the eco - sure but not against TOS imho
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
We were talking about this on stream as well. We know that one player got banned last week for transferring gold between Rosters. This was also what I thought the whole time. Alt Rosters yes, but transferring gold no. But it seems not really clear what the exact rules are here.
@bigzzz261116 күн бұрын
@Couplemas As they crack down on RMT, these alt roster transfers become more risky. Once the bot situation is dealt with, it'll be safer to transfer gold from one roster to another.
@ironmb8616 күн бұрын
False, relic books will stay expensive because RMT'ers and Veteran bus/rmt'ers will buy them at that price.
@Couplemas15 күн бұрын
Not sure if I misunderstand, but thats exactly what I´m pointing out in the video
@MonstaNRG16 күн бұрын
Thanks for bringing more attention to this most important topic. Ive been saying this and complaining about it for years already. The problem is only amplyfied since release of T4. Im a Veteran with almost no Day missed since release and about 800 € spend. I have not bought any Relic Books (except Ether Predator when it was cheap in the beginning) and i dont have any of the new Gems (T4 9/10). Almost all of my Ancient Accessories are self rolled or sniped from the market from someone that misstyped or doesnt know theire value. I have been struggling to progress with honing aswell since i did not have Advanced Honing done on my Alts. I am currently sitting with 1x 1693, 1x1680 and 4x 1660. I pumped all my ressources into them to reach Aegir so i can at least have some progression weekly through new Aegir Pieces and unlocking Ark Passive. My 1680 also needed some additional equipment to keep up with the standards of pug Matchmaking since i do not have a Static. If this continues i dont think i will be able to keep up with the ever increasing requirements for new raids. I will be forced to abandone my Alts and keep them where they are for Months/Years without making any progress on them and only using them to generate gold for my Mains. Im at the Point where any progress i want to make costs me Weeks, if not even Months of grinding. TLDR: I play way too much and Books/Gems/Advanced Honing/Normal Honing and Accessories are all still to expensive for me. I cant even imagine how other people feel that have less. We need a clear statement from AGS/SG against Bussing, against RMT and against Alt Rosters with severe Punishments like Permabans to get this problem solved. Otherwise i dont see myself beeing able to keep sustaining my Roster and having to leave them behind one by one. (Playing 6 Characters every Day of the Week should let you get 1 Main on latest HM content, 1 Semi Main on latest NM content and 4 Alts 1 HM or NM Content behind.
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
I watched Strylander yesterday and he was talking about how streamers (and other players) are promoting images of unhealthy rosters. With the Roster you have you are probably somewhere in the top 10-20% of the game. I think it`s most important that we remind ourselves why we are playing a game which should be the fun of it. If you feel too stressed about it my advice would be to turn it down a notch and maybe just focus on your main. Wanting to have all your characters on the newest content (not HM but NM) is going to make you very unhappy in the long run or you gotta take out your credit card and be willing to spend quite a lot of money.
@TyroneBigguns-mk3og16 күн бұрын
The biggest problem is the rmters are also the same peopme spending in the cash shop. You are also ignoring the fact that players gain from selling these relic books. If you get an adrenaline drop thats 400k. You dont mention people swiping through the cash shop. If they want to fix the economy dont let oeople buy gold period. Not just g2g but also through the cash shop.
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
I would be happy if the cash shop would not have any option to buy gold. However, if you would remove the Gold shop in Lost Ark the impact of RMT and Bussing would even get bigger as more people would try to speed up progress through other means. On the other hand (let`s live in a unicorn and rainbow world for a second) if RMT/Bussing/ Alt Rosters would not exist the Cash Shop would not explode to the same extent as you would need to spend like 5 times the money compared to RMT. In terms of players gaining gold from buying Relic books. The point I make in the video is that the book is 400k, so of course if you get it you get a big chunk of money, but due to the inflation of gold the 400k gold is only worth 300k gold (as an example). But if there would be no or little inflation and the relic book would be 300k instead the value you get out of it would be similar. The only argument you can make here is if you exclusively only hone your characters and dont interact with the market at all, but that seems a bit farfetched. As I also said in a previous response to a comment I agree that the Cash Shop has a similar effect to the market situation. I just believe it is much smaller compared to the other issues I pointed out in the video.
@omg187616 күн бұрын
Honestly I'd rather pick up shifts or work overtime and swipe than spend those hours in game. I'd rather spend my off days going out rather than sitting and grinding the whole day on an alt account.
@TyroneBigguns-mk3og15 күн бұрын
@Couplemas they would need to fix the game. No bots only gold from players. If someone wants to buy gold a player made then let that be it. These gold farmers make gold from playing the game but if you removed bussing they would make significantly less. Price of gold would be very expensive and it would still regulate the market more than it is now. If you want to remove rmt then remove it all together dont half ass it as we know that doesn't work.
@VinsLeMans4 күн бұрын
@@omg1876Word! Im seeing ppl in my guild playing 2-3 rosters these days doing 30 raids a weeks etc etc like bro the grind fiesta has gone too far
@omg18764 күн бұрын
@@VinsLeMans so i have 3 friends who are rice farmers with alt accs and their health(which should be prioritized over a game) is going downhill because two of them have hernia from sitting all day and the other one had to be rushed to ER because of kidney stones(from snacking, eating cup noodles, chugging soda, coffee and energy drinks to grind while not drinking water at all) and is slowly trying to flush it out with medication to avoid surgery. It's like these little things that add up to big things. Like... I get it; people obviously shouldn't glorify spending on a game but I value my time differently from them I wish my friends would rather pick up a part time job and swipe because those medical bills cost WAY more than swiping any given day. We're all adults and we can make our own decisions at the end of the day. I pray everyone who reads this makes positive decisions because at the end of the day, it's just a game. 🥺
@QUANTPAPA13 күн бұрын
if people just dont fomo and boycot dis prices for adrealine book and nobody buy it, price will drop. why will anybody list it lower if idiots buy it
@achimouwu150317 күн бұрын
the most things are destroying the economy is bots but you were not mention it. And the gold raid reward need adjust too.Raids are too easy now so a 1640 char can easily make almost 60k gold in 1 week only with raid, but 1680+ char only can earn like 65k, it's not fair
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
I am talking about the gold raid reward in the video and stating Thaemine G4 as an example. Thaemine specifically needs a nerf. In regards to Bots, I´m not mentioning them, but they are the main cause for gold available to RMT, but in my opinion it didnt add any additional value to the topic I wanted to discuss.
@beluvolk938716 күн бұрын
@Couplemas it is a pay to win game RMT is not g2g its real money transaction where you can get it even from ingame wich doesnt really help the eco
@vipr035916 күн бұрын
Raids being easy decreases the wealth gap because people that have lower/average networth make the same amount of money from raids (bussing excluded) as highend players. Nerfing Thaemine only increases that gap even further. Bots mainly gather materials nowadays, since almost everything would only lead to bound gold as far as I know. Therefore they do not pump currency/gold into the economy, but mainly materials. If anything they lower our material costs and are not the cause for inflation.
@illusivespecter812415 күн бұрын
6 characters running aegir o.o like damn
@Couplemas15 күн бұрын
life of a veteran no lifer in Lost (which includes wife and me xD)
@illusivespecter812415 күн бұрын
@Couplemas I barely have one.i can't keep up with this game x.x
@Couplemas15 күн бұрын
@@illusivespecter8124 Take it slow! Wanting to catch up is not going to make you happy. We regularily help out newer/returning players and organize learning partys. Feel free to join our discord or catch us on twitch if you want (if you play in EUC)
@kappakapp17 күн бұрын
RMT, Bussing AND buying rc to convert into gold (be it skins, buying gold or just the material packs) have the exact same negative impact on the player base. Streamers can jump behind their "oh we are keeping the game alive" excuse all they want but when you look at it on a playerbase level, they are all the same thing. I have not bussed since the akkan days mostly cuz im too lazy to sit on lobbies, but I find ppl calling out p2p rmt and busses silly when they just turn around buy 10 skin packs and sell them. Its the same shit lol
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
It`s quite clear we are paying a p2w/p2progress game however you wanna call it. That`s why the general message of big spenders are keeping the game alive has merit. However, the point you are making is also true, it has a similar effect to the economy compared to RMT & Bussing. I will say though that the material packs are actually taking gold out of the economy, because of the honing costs that follow. It takes months to have a RoI from Honing a character up if you even reach it all.
@CoolMachination16 күн бұрын
Just dont use AH, and dont fomo! Simple! Also dont carry "Alt rosters/ veteran alts", simple!
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
Imagine the times when we tried to get 5 engravings and take the Auction House away, sounds like a nightmare to me ;)
@ShadowDemon133716 күн бұрын
Or You can just ignore all of them and have fun with the game as "casual game" and not competitive player
@Couplemas15 күн бұрын
Always the best option to ignore existing problems and not talk about them at all
@Joe-fb9ns12 күн бұрын
@Couplemas i dont think thats what he meant im prety sure he meant ignore where other players are at in other words dont fomo
@buckrogers-lk3yr16 күн бұрын
I bus so I can play other games
@Couplemas16 күн бұрын
You take a bus or you are bussing so you can play other games? Both seems a bit counterintuitive to me. One is saying I wanna be faster done which indicates you dont enjoy playing the game and the other one would take you even more time to play.
@ShuffleAssi17 күн бұрын
I disagree with the Bussing part. As it is not generating the gold from nothing, just shifting it from players to players, it should not ruin the economy/inflation. Same for RMT if it does not include bots. So in my opinion most important thing would be to ban the Bots again as the numbers of bots is rising again for like 2-3 weeks AGS needs to step in fast.
@dreadedronin2417 күн бұрын
They are causing inflation because the market need to account for how much gold they earn when setting prices for thing relic books being the prime example
@Couplemas17 күн бұрын
Bussing is not generating the gold from nothing, however it is distributing gold to "wealthier" players in the game which then have more available gold to buy specific items (books, accs) and due to the increased gold they keep the market prices on a level which are not affordable for other players. They are not a reason for gold inflation, but doesn`t mean it`s good for the overall economy. Same for RMT that doesn`t involve bots. We agree though that bots need to be removed as fast as possible :P. It`s a never ending war
@bigzzz261117 күн бұрын
@Couplemas Usually people RMT to afford the bus in the first place. Example: 4mil+ gold Eclipse busses etc. Bussing the latest content on release is essentially just bussing RMTers who want to get carried week 1 for extremely high prices. If RMT was punished harders, bus prices would come down as well. Therefore, bus drivers directly benefit from RMT.
@Couplemas17 күн бұрын
@@bigzzz2611 If we talk about the most extreme form for sure. I´ve also talked to some bussers who say that quite a good bunch of their customers are swiping to afford bus or progressing their characters afterwards.
@bigzzz261117 күн бұрын
@Couplemas The legit swipers who swipe to buy bus are the newer players sadly.