Wealthy Couple Decide To Try “Open Marriage” And EVERYTHING Goes Horribly Wrong

[@withcindy]

awww thank you for the shoutout i cant believe we watch each other's channels without knowing!! on one hand i am glad i got you to check out this book so i finally have another person understand how WILD and UNHINGED these people are, but on the other hand i am sorry for the mental damage you took LOL

[@lovesplus3879]

The KZbin cinematic universe is coming together !!

[@firahz8268]

PLS COLLAB

[@13realmusic]

I was happy to see you got mentioned too! Your coverage of book community drama is so soothing to me!

[@stardust3176]

My two Goats

[@applepiez5607]

My faves 🥹❤️

[@anascitrine]

How did it take so long for Molly to consider that the reason why she only found shitty men was because they were CHEATERS?! She was mind-blown that the type of guy who cheats on his wife is frugal, unkind and sexist

[@mautre]

Sorry, but she is very clearly not the sharpest pencil in the box....

[@anascitrine]

@@mautre To be fair EVERYONE in this story is comedically emotionally underdeveloped

[@esskittyy]

Is all Im thinking. She puts too much importance on being picked, being better, being in control. Rather than just finding someone compatible that would bring her joy.

[@mautre]

@@anascitrine Oh, very true!!! I am definitely with Stephanie here, when she said she hated EVERYONE in this story!!! They were ALL just awful, even the therapist seemed cuckoo! I think her friend that wanted her to go to therapy, was the only decent one in the whole story.

[@Kukurom]

she’s an idiot 😂

[@Maru.Moreno]

"It's not complicated, is morally corrupt." Say it louder for the people in the back!!!

[@GODOY.333]

This reminds me of the Netflix doc; a known couple that works bts of a university did similar things

[@Christopherdiornguyen]

My motto for this year

[@catxiii]

*IN* the back*

[@eeslis]

esli is better than Stephanie

[@freddym2630]

It's too good. Stephanie is too smart for these cases and books!

[@-Bellana-]

I feel SO bad for the kids that will have to grow up with their mom airing ALLLLLL this dirty laundry...

[@Al-Vr-al]

I would go no contact and change my name foreal

[@eggiemybaby]

She did not even go anonymous

[@GrlPrpl]

Just came back from a festival she spoke at, her kids are now in their 20s and they know

[@Taewills]

Aren’t her kids grown?

[@sannmayy]

​@@Taewills As if that magically makes it less humiliating

[@antonyloc]

The only decent person was the friend who tried to get Molly into therapy! Awesome video ❤

[@avanisavannah309]

and the people getting cheated on that didn’t know perhaps

[@wakasukku]

I thought the same thing 😂😂😂😂

[@eeslis]

esli is better than Stephanie

[@AnaFre20]

@@eesliswho?😭

[@eeslis]

@@AnaFre20 mee🥰

[@ally6563]

I can't understand how she's falling in love so often. Like they're both just very self-centred people. She wanted to cheat but not be cheated on. He wanted to cheat but have someone to come home to who will run his household and raise his kids for him. I don't think either of them cared to be parents. This isn't how open relationships are supposed to be. There was no love, trust, and understanding in that relationship. The whole relationship is just garbage, and she's not really a victim. But she really liked to act as though she was. She was not manipulated into sleeping with Mike. She wanted to and her husband validated her desires because he was already cheating more than likely. I mean, why else was he snooping through her phone while she was in the shower? Because he himself was guilty.

[@esskittyy]

Had me til the assumptions. He checked because he wanted to check, he validated because he felt enjoyment from sharing. He may or may not have been cheating, but without proof theres no validity in accusations

[@ally6563]

@esskittyy Well, my whole comment was one giant assumption, and I think it was a very safe assumption. However, I'm open to the thought that I could be wrong. But based on what I'm hearing in this video, I want to stick with my assumptions. I don't think people in healthy relationships go through their partners' phones. Whether he was cheating or not, It's highly possible he had some form of guilt that drove him to do that. Either he already was, or he had at least thought about sleeping with his ex enough times to ask if he could. People aren't unfaithful only by physical actions. I believe the moment you even consider sleeping with another person, you've already become an unfaithful partner. But everyone is free to feel completely differently about that. I am just saying that I think it's morally wrong. I think he was already an unfaithful partner. You're free to disagree with me and tell me what you believe is right.

[@alanakasem1723]

this!!

[@Bettersucksaul]

He definitely helped coerce her into cheating

[@rosa61217]

​@@esskittyyWhat is clear is that he manipulated her into opening their relationship. The language is alarming

[@bel3133]

I'm 26 minutes in and the level of emotional immaturity is overwhelming. Everyone in the story is acting like they're in middle school. It's...actually how I imagine the ultra wealthy. I can believe that this is the kind of idiocy that the wealthy class are occupying themselves with.

[@mautre]

But in the most tacky & cheap way... 😬😬😬

[@leyrose8862]

I thought the same about emotional immaturity (not the wealthy part). She cries in a foetal position bc her crush has a gf? Is she 15???

[@eeslis]

esli is better than Stephanie

[@user-kp1sl7nd3f]

No truly, it's like their life is so perfect that they HAVE to create problems for themselves

[@stutimishra9042]

I can't understand this whole situation or connect to it because I'm a one-man woman. If I fall in love with someone, I love unconditionally, purely, and passionately. I can never see anyone else the way I see that person. and I don't understand the concept of open relationships. Maybe in the future I'll, but not yet.

[@lya5402]

Stewart planned all of this from the start. He has been unfaithful during their marriage and has found a way to get Molly into his plans since he has kids and a home. For me, this is a sad story of people who just need to let go and give their children a better life. Paying babysitters, feeding them games, etc.

[@suzannalam8932]

and yeah Stu doesn’t need a divorce which will BK him so he got it good, stupid Molly.

[@richardly1277]

My first thoughts exactly! The timing is too convenient that as soon as she sleeps with Matt, the ex is getting divorced and they're hanging out.

[@sandpiperr]

I thought that too! Stewart was likely already cheating and when he saw the text from Mike it was the perfect opportunity to arrange a situation so that he no longer had to bother hiding it from her.

[@Taewills]

I think he planned it before he slept with anyone else but the decreasing sex life in his marriage def made him pull the trigger. And it seems like he really did like hearing about his wife’s sexscapades but she was definitely coerced. Right when I thought she was having some self development montage with boxing, and self care, taking a break from dating…. Womp, womp, womp - she actually learned nothing. As a poly person this was so frustrating to listen to.

[@sannmayy]

Self absorbed people shouldn't be allowed to have children in general. Ruin your own lives not innocent kids.

[@nikkih639]

Wow this was wild. I feel bad for the kids. They both flaked on them and they were constantly with babysitters or rotting in front of their games so the parents could screw around. How tf is Steward going on hikes with Kiwi's kids but not spending any time with his own kids?!?! I will be shocked if they don't get a divorce in the future.

[@AlexKaneROTN]

They will. I can already see it. And if Stewart ends up not having a good relationship with his own kids, then he's got only himself to blame.

[@ally6563]

​@@AlexKaneROTN I'm certain he will just throw money at them, or at least try to anyway.

[@Savage_Furya_1312]

I don't think he actually went on a hike with her & the kids. I think (from the way I understood her to say it) that him & Kiwi went there and she told him that this is where she brings her kids - or she just told him about it. Cuz remember- no daytime dates. And I'm pretty sure neither of them met their gf/bf's kids. She (Steph) never mentions either of them meeting the others' kids. Even tho Molly broke most of her own rules before the end of the book. I don't know, like I said, that's just the way I understood it. Have a great night! 💚😘

[@nikkih639]

@Savage_Furya_1312 to me it sounded like he did go with Kiwi and her kids. That it was Kiwi who initially showed him the trail. It did break the rules but calling Kiwi his girlfriend and taking her on work trips like Vegas also broke the rules. I agree it could totally be how you interrupted it though. Your way makes sense too. Regardless it was the kids who lost out the most with the two parents trying to juggle 2 whole intimate relationships. Thanks, you have a good night too!!

[@ally6563]

@Savage_Furya_1312 You know what, I think you're right. I just got excited about getting mad at him. Hah! Yeah, she certainly broke all her rules or was mad when she couldn't find a man who would help her break them. They both suck.

[@haileyprosser5256]

“Touch some grass” 😂😂 I feel like we don’t appreciate your husbands little comments man cause he be cracking me up with his one liners

[@victorialeon401]

Why did I feel like that was a jab at Kris’s video

[@haileyprosser5256]

@ don’t know who that is

[@WYGTYA]

@@victorialeon401 huh? Which Kris ?

[@MaddyReactions]

I swear, each character just gets progressively more unhinged 😂😂😂

[@Scweetoof]

It’s actually INSANITY. Howww do people have the energy 🥲

[@lalakuma9]

These people are so bonkers that I watched this video twice in one evening 💀

[@jassmine9797]

I know its wild 😂

[@simpysompywomb5470]

And all the new characters getting introduced along the way 😭😭

[@loneworld894]

even the side characters pmo 😂😂

[@AxelMacopelli]

Idk why she was getting mad that the men she was seeing didn't want to spend money on her and took her to hotels that charge by the hour when she was on Ashley Madison. These men are literally cheating on their monogamous spouses, Molly 🙄🤣

[@meandmine77]

right. its not eben open relationship. its just straight up cheating LOL

[@XCVII.97]

4:57 *”sometimes I feel like I’m in a metal asylum and you’re my caretaker…” “OKAY”*

[@robynriley25]

@XCVII.97 I was waiting for "...me too" 🤣

[@mikedarling5886]

@XCVII.97 thats kind of how i see my own husband at times lol He’ll probably see this as i am accidentally commenting from his account so i will add “he needs a promotion and raise for dealing with ME for 25 years !” 😄

[@JeonKaye97]

Don't forget the "touch some grass" part 😂

[@samiraahmed7034]

"Touch some grass..."😂😂

[@anOlive]

yellow wallpaper core 🥰

[@neuralsodar]

Molly and Stewart found themselves in a marriage without any respect for each other. This story is actually so sad. They could have avoided all of this heartbreak if they had addressed their issues while their kids were young. They could have given their children a wonderful childhood and had a loving, successful relationship with each other. What a waste.

[@MaeMills310]

I really feel for the kids! What a toxic nightmare

[@tmpTina_]

The sheer amount of second-hand embarrassment at texting the wrong person I had pause the video for a min lol

[@JeonKaye97]

Same

[@lemonadehuh]

literally me right now

[@teegee9428]

Girl.... Me too

[@moonlight_shine014]

me too

[@PaleBlueDot369]

Damn same here 😂

[@akaneakane1969]

Nowadays, I find even dating one person mentally exhausting, so I have no idea how they could date so many. While they have a partner & kids. Like literally how do any of them have time unless they're rich as all hell.

[@SoftTangerineDreams]

An open relationship only works if the relationships starts like that. Opening it up later is ALWAYS a mistake.

[@yangzhang5870]

Could you explain what makes opening a relationship later a mistake (vs starting the relationship open)?

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

I disagree, it's not opening the relationship that's the problem - it's the fact that alot of people who do it, do it in an unstable relationship. The action demands trust, dedication, and comittment between both parties, and suprise, suprise - the relationships that fail when the relationship is opened have NONE of that. Treat it like pandora's box, that bad boy only opens once and it doesn't close when you do.

[@Sumidraws]

Tbh imo just dont be in a relationship if you dont want to commit. It’s overcomplicating things

[@corpselizzy]

@@yangzhang5870 statistics have shown poly relationships usually end badly its extremely rare where its not gone bad

[@gobsmr]

@@yangzhang5870 When opening a relationship happens later, it's (not always but) usually due to instability/not getting what you want from your current partner. I've never heard a single story where opening it later ends up happily lol

[@aurorincorporated]

"You're my little hobbit." I just died. 🤣 In no world is that an acceptable name to use in such a context.

[@sereyleakhenalamatin2190]

If anything I wouldn't want to be their therapist. Like wtf

[@anamm6554]

Whos the guy on your pfp from?

[@sereyleakhenalamatin2190]

@anamm6554 Claude de alger obelia, from who made me a princess( story mostly revolves around father daughter). He is kinda a mix little red flag but he is not bad as that other fker in other Manhwa. I loved him then I hated him later I just feel he is pitiful at some point. The story is mid.

[@bubblesuchiha6711]

​@@anamm6554 Who made me a princess. It's a manwha

[@sereyleakhenalamatin2190]

@anamm6554 Claude from who made me a princess, he is a mix signal. U either like or dislike him or pity him knowing his back story.

[@muinfinityy]

WMMAp pfp yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

"How. dare. you. dare. do. this. CONSENSUALLY?" 😂

[@clairvoyant1290]

Why did she find the need to write this? It’s like she thinks this makes her rich a$$ unique or something.

[@Mondscheinelfe]

Its the only significant thing about her life

[@Anituer13]

I never see ppl in open relationships ever honestly discuss it. They always act like it's the best thing ever and that EVERYONE else should do it too. They aren't ever honest about the bad parts. They just pretend that if there are bad parts, it's because you're found it wrong, which just isn't always the case.

[@aminaelo]

unfortunately that's the case with a lot of things people glamorize on the internet😔

[@babyzombiexo]

Agree

[@snailfail03]

i never want to be too judgmental, especially as a marginalized group myself, but i really am starting to wonder if there is such a thing as a fully healthy and functional poly relationship... i have yet to see one that didnt end horrifically..

[@Anituer13]

@snailfail03 same. I'm not sure if they exist

[@sinnamonroll2780]

@@snailfail03there is. It’s just that when polyam relationships have problems people blame the polyamory and not the problems, like people do when monogamous people have problems so it’s hard for polyam people to earnestly talk about the bad parts

[@Cornytaurus]

“That chair? I call dibs” Stephanie, I love the way you narrate 😭

[@daim.1048]

In a couple of years we are gonna read a book about two kids in distress their whole life bc of her mental unstable mom, dad and their mess up relationship

[@burntchurchh]

i literally just opened youtube. thank you for blessing us

[@ElaineFavreau]

Same ❤

[@-maryam_-]

Real

[@SuzanneZacharia]

Yes 🥳 Settling down in bed after one long workday 💫

[@ai-meeding959]

I feel so bad for their kids, it seems both molly and stewart are completely unavailable parents and on top of it all molly decided to not publish under a fake name and put all their dirty laundry out in the open and their kids who has nothing to do with any of their parents decisions will have this book follow them around everywhere now bc there’s literally no privacy on the internet especially when your openly posting about everything. This is always my issue with anyone posting about their lives and they have kids that they post without protecting them, it’s just a bit reckless, imagine your kid needs to apply for college, jobs, and when they’re searched or they have background checks done their parents toxic relationship is all you can find on them 🙃

[@natonyaellis7668]

He manipulated her into that .she should have taken the therapist card.

[@lya5402]

Yes, he obviously planned it from the start. He had been cheating on her BEFORE she started to catch a fling. I believe the flames of their love died and they are still holding onto the ashes, and we know you can't light the ashes.

[@Jillberto]

I do not think he manipulated her into doing it, but I do think that her husband was cheating already and this was his way to have a clear mind about it.

[@zahinniee]

@@Jillbertoyes i feel that way too, he saw a chance and took it

[@AmyCourage]

@@Jillberto its still manipulation

[@Jillberto]

@@AmyCourage Would you mind to explain why you think that?

[@caitlinkay7498]

This isn’t an open relationship, it’s an abusive one on both sides

[@GlamGoddes101]

It was an open relationship, it’s a bad example of one but it still is one, you don’t get to only claim the positive examples

[@danicoleb5394]

The fact he said her experience with this Open Relationship sucks is because men suck is a literal admission of this entire concept becoming trendy for the sole benefit of convincing women to let their men cheat in peace. It has never been benefitted women to open the relationship. And often times it's men making this proposal instead of the women. Hilariously though, there was a popular story on Reddit that made rounds when the husband proposed an open relationship and couldn't find ANYBODY but the wife managed to and had fun and then was made to feel terrible for it. 😅

[@stephe1506]

Oh there are multiple stories like that last bit, it seems quite common for it to go that way.. then the husbands suddenly want to close the relationship back up again 😂 often its obvious they have come to completely not see or value their wives as attractive anymore and very incorrectly assume that no one else is going to either Edit: i missed a word

[@blake9033]

I read that too sweet comeuppance!!

[@sandpiperr]

I did read one on Reddit that was from a woman who was kind of like Martina. She wanted to experiment with other women, so she talked to her fiance about it and he said that she could try with other women just not other men...that is until she actually met someone and then he told her that he actually couldn't handle it. She was upset because he told her it was okay but then changed his mind, and that even when she told him he could have other girls on the side too he said no, that he didn't want to be with anyone else, and so her post was about how heartbroken she was because she doesn't want to break up with him but also doesn't want to just be with a man. The post made me feel a lot of second hand embarrassment because I'm also bi, and her attitude was like...the stereotype that everyone who isn't bi thinks of bi people as cheaters!

[@blink_for_eternity]

I swear Stephanie's story telling is my free therapy 😭❤

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

I think open relationships only work when the couple is already in a secure relationship because if you enter one thinking it’s going to fill a hole in your relationship, it will just make it wider!

[@mikedarling5886]

Yes! And from the friends i have they also say if you’re having problems with your main partner, new relationships can highlight the problems if they’re.. healthier? I guess lol. But from everything ive heard i know poly isn’t for me, I’ve been with my hubs (whose account i accidentally am commenting with lol!) since i was 17 and im mid 40s now so i think its toooo late to change anything plus it sounds incredibly exhausting lol

[@PhotoJeticPoet]

No one in a secure relationship is opening it up for funzies. I've only ever seen open relationships work when it's open from the very beginning and they start with an understanding.

[@christellen3077]

No secure relationship excludes exclusively pursuing your spouse. Open relationships are a symptoms of insecure emotional attachment styles.

[@WhiteNoise1358]

There's a joke here somewhere.

[@elizabethlee5557]

​@@christellen3077 not all people in poly relationships are insecure. Just because a person has 2 partners, not one, doesn't mean they are wrong. Relationships in general, platonic, poly, or monogamous, are complicated and can always be unhealthy because humans just aren't perfect. Don't take this episode as an actual example of how poly relationships should or do work.

[@mell3007]

I was in a similar relationship years ago. Basically gaslit into agreeing to be open relationship bc my ex wanted to pursue an old flame from high school and exploit my bisexuality. He pressured me into joining dating apps but would vet my matches for women HE was attracted to. I eventually got him to agree to let me see men as well as women and he’d get upset when other men would try to spoil me or take up too much of my time because he wasn’t getting as many matches as he thought he’d get. Honestly, I didn’t enjoy it, but I was craving some level of validation and attention that I wasn’t getting from him. The whole thing was an unethical mess

[@youtubing2334]

One of my college roommate’s parents were polyamorous and it was a nightmare for the kids, since then I’ve been super grateful for my parents cozy traditional marriage. I think some people naturally gravitate towards polyamory and others are naturally monogamous and it’s really important to be true to your actual inclinations rather than psyching yourself up to be something different to please someone. All relationships require tending, so neither path is effortless or easy for anyone operating honestly and ethically, but polyamory seems to require an extra layer of care and effort to avoid hurting people . This book and lifestyle sound like hell to me but it was great to listen to your review.

[@mikedarling5886]

This! All this!

[@MADEbySOUL]

It makes sense that a healthy polyamorous relationships are literally a healthy monogamous relationship but multiplied by how many parties are involved. Communication being on the top of the list. Everyone has sexual, cheating, and overall personality boundaries and everyone needs to keep track of it.

[@PerihelionmQQn]

This! There's nothing wrong with being naturally inclined in whichever direction!

[@namjooningOT7]

THIS

[@StaticKayK-z2c]

​@@bel3133or just listening to your partner, and they're struggles. It's not rocket science. If your partners having a hard time then ask how can I help? It's a matter of being their for your loved ones, and making sure the kids are put first. An example, when my car broke down my bf picked us up, dropped my kids off at school so they weren't late, then drove me back to my car, and helped me jump it. He is such a nice guy. I really miss him.

[@PopItDudu]

As a traditional girl, this is tooooo much to digest. My head is literally spinning 😵‍💫

[@BunnyQueen97]

This is a perfect example of a couple who should be SWINGING, not polyamorous. Trying to turn this into a web of relationships was the very first mistake, when it’s clear Stewart just wanted to have fun - I guess that was the only way to trick her into it 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@harjitkumar917]

True. Molly cried over them and got her heart broken. Stuart was just there having fun fun fun

[@zs_886]

No.. swinging and poly ppl r just horny emotionally distant people... ur desires control u like a cat in heat. This is the perfect example if a couple thag needed to get divorced long ago

[@AlexisHernandez-io3cw]

My thoughts exactly! It's so manipulative but they also should have been swingers instead.

[@Taewills]

Some poly couples walk through picking partners together. Molly could have used her husband’s help. If he really loved her, he should have wanted to help her 🤦🏾‍♀️. He should’ve said, “you won’t find anything meaningful on Ashley Madison.” Or “hey we’ve been spending a lot of time with our partners- we need to schedule fam time.” And, 🤔 “it sounds like you really like this guy. Maybe we should work out some boundaries? I should meet him? Vet him”. Something

[@likeacutie]

Girl I swear I think we're the last of a dying breed. I married my high school sweetheart and we will celebrate 24 beautiful years together in May. I'm 42, he is 43 and I see all our friends either divorced or single. While there's nothing wrong with that, I need my person, my other half you know. Much love to you and Mr Mangobutt ❤️

[@noelanisinclair1520]

That’s beautiful I hope more relationships can be like that and less of this toxic mess I always see and hear about.

[@egodoll]

ur so lucky😢

[@likeacutie]

@egodoll just hard work and never giving up on the one you love and then feeling the same way. Thank you.

[@alexb68653]

I’ve been involved with someone who’s poly before and the entire time I felt sick to my stomach- keep in mind that I’m 21 and still figuring out my life ofc. I think it’s important to try everything at least once, unless it’ll 💀 you, but after five months I figured out that I can’t be with someone who’s poly. I understood Molly’s insecurities and almost feeling like she’s not good enough or whatever, but she’s actually wild. I can’t imagine having that much money and that level of naivety to be doing this for ten years. I also just can’t understand people who are unhappy in a marriage, but choose to stay in it.

[@christellen3077]

It is just adultery.

[@cya6154]

Dont try everything at least once. Use your common sense first.

[@MADEbySOUL]

Strongly suggest to get to know yourself more than testing it out. Polyamory will multiply everything in a relationship. Communication being the top. Each party will need to voice their boundaries on what is cheating and if there is a main partner. Some agreements has all parties being on the same priority, others have a main partner who holds the most time and overall responsibility while the other party is not as depended on. So if the main and other partner needs them at the same time, the main partner takes priority if it isn’t life and death.

[@Taewills]

@@christellen3077🙄

[@kembm]

This whole thing was nuts, but the churros thing was WILD lol my jaw DROPPED 😂 Edit: OMG THE DAUGHTER’S PICS???!!!! Send the meteor already, I think we’re done here.

[@Nothin1383]

This is the most ridiculous story I’ve ever heard… no morals at all no respect non of those ppl are being honest and the fact that she wrote this book about this ,!! Mind blowing to me … makes me question humanity I really hate it

[@rose01-22]

But it's so interesting to hear about other people's dramatic and messy lives lol

[@Nothin1383]

@ yeah it makes me feel like my life is going well and to learn to treasure my life and my family as well… at least for me it gives me good feeling about my life… those ppl they did this to there own selfs they damaged their own lives but im so confused by the level of not caring .. it’s one thing to damage your own life, but to damage other people’s lives too ? That’s messed up. 🤓🤓

[@stutam]

I take it that Molly never really wanted an open relationship but was made to believe that she does (by both her husband and mother).

[@Maru.Moreno]

1:27 She watches Cindy as well? We are besties forreal.

[@bunny_koo]

The way my jaw dropped? Why does it always make me so happy when my favorite people are also each other’s favorite people 😂

[@mei5974]

FRR it was such an unexpected crossover!! love that steph watches Cindy too!

[@drewgoin8849]

Can you please tell me what Cindy's KZbin channel is?

[@maxcollateral]

her channel is called readwithcindy, I love her channel

[@victoriaarce9922]

We do be bestie-ing because i looove her too

[@clau_goddess]

As a mother of multiple kids, with work, HOW are these people doing all of this? NONE of these people are in healthy relationships.😮😮

[@moonstoneash]

sooooo off topic, but i am in loveee with the purple in the thumbnail, so pleasing. so pretty.

[@yamahrahda]

Ive been in poly relationships in the past (they’ve been closed but I wasn’t opposed to the idea of open relationships). I’m now in a monogamous relationship with my lovely girlfriend and I would NEVER even think of bringing up opening the relationship. Before we got together she was clear that she’s monogamous and i loved her the way she was so why would i want to change anything about her?? It baffles me when people bring up opening their marriages out of “boredom”? Polyamory is supposed to be a loving experience full of connections, intimacy and open communication. Anything you bring up when you already hold SO much power over your partner in the form of history and trust will alter the way that they are able to consent. Also someone from outside cant fix your marriage, only the people in it can.

[@gerard8290]

As a poly person yes, about 80% of the couples I meet are doing stuff like this and I have to run in the other direction.

[@MADEbySOUL]

I applaud your ability to analyze situations and choosing to step away from it.

[@Rainy-In-The-Desert]

For real, I'm ENM and there's so many scummy people out there pretending be to want to be decent partners

[@stephaniebirn7239]

⁠@@Rainy-In-The-Desertwhat is ENM? If you don’t mind

[@Rainy-In-The-Desert]

@@stephaniebirn7239 So ENM means ethically non monogamous. All polyamory is ethical non-monogamy, but not all ethical non-monogamy is polyamory. Polyamory refers to multiple loving relationships, whereas ethical non-monogamy is any arrangement where people have multiple consensual romantic/sexual connections. I like to emphasize the "ethical" part because I don't ever want anyone to assume I have a partner who isn't aware of what's happening and that everyone is 100% consensual. The kind of poly that a lot of us consider non ethical is where it is hidden from any partners. Where it would be considered cheating.

[@tammyr7282]

ENM is Ethical non-monogamy :)​@@stephaniebirn7239

[@mrs.w8193]

As a married woman, I am shocked at all this. My hubby is enough for me. I can’t imagine an open relationship. Too much for me. So crazy

[@-maryam_-]

I don’t understand open relationships and I’ve never heard of one that’s survived because one person eventually gets jealous.

[@orphaxx1254]

Yep. Or one part got manipulated into the situation like in this story. It never ends well, especially with kids in the picture..

[@SplijSplash-xw4dl]

This is not true, You should listen to the podcast "normalizing non monogamy" where they speak with actual poly couples who have had successful lives.

[@antidave]

That's because you only listen and hear about the dramatic failure ones. I can say the same about monogamy marriages and how most end in divorce so they should stop getting married

[@-maryam_-]

@@orphaxx1254 yes ESPECIALLY with kids in the picture

[@-maryam_-]

@@antidave I never said people should never be in monogamous relationships I just said I don’t understand them.

[@stfu_summer]

"I gotta work on myself a bit to see if I can find that feeling somewhere.." Bless him, he's so openminded even if he isn't 100% sure what for 😂❤

[@kerenjoyorbiso3103]

Came here to watch old videos as a habit and was delightedly surprised Steph posted! Yeeey! Have a great week everyone!

[@daiharper8590]

I love Stephanie's whole personality 🤣🤣🥰🥰🩷 she's so unserious but also serious asf at the same time. I'm here for it ✨

[@uh877]

i need more memoirs like this, its a trainwreck but its so entertaining 😭

[@emilymooradian130]

For real I love drama 💀💀💀💀

[@TheKidd98]

Ppl like to say they don't like to judge others' life choices, and Im typically the same, but open/poly relationships are the one thing I can never understand and judge mercilessly....cause what did I just listen to.

[@8makes1team81]

I get what you’re saying but this is quite different from an open/poly relationship💀 usually both partners get together on the basis that they will *both* see other people as well, not one partner brings it up and the other is sort of coerced into it yknow?

[@noelanisinclair1520]

I agree that’s one of the only thing I cannot get.

[@haru2082]

I agree like have some self respect please

[@Taewills]

This attitude only further stigmatizes poly lifestyles. If you don’t understand, fine. But stop being so judgmental. It makes it hard for people to be transparent about their feelings. Also… the world was mostly non-monogamous before the spread of monotheistic religions. Making monogamy a very unnatural relationship people “just didn’t get” for centuries.

[@mksketchms]

And especially with people in marriages, like it makes sense to me in a relationship but when you say you want to destigmatize it and that it was normal at one point before monogamous relationships became the norm, why are you in a marriage in the first place if your desire for polygamy stems from breaking the social norm and other barriers if that makes sense? Because marriage itself is seen as a commitment to be monogamous in a larger sense to commit to that person fully for the rest of your life

[@makaylawilson8575]

SUPER EARLY YAYYY (Love you sm stephanie you're my main connection to world news in a none-biased perspective, and always my go-to entertainment to getting ready in the morning and night, please keep up the amazing work, your positivity and videos always makes my day!)

[@badbutgood-d4q]

...this is why being an involved parent & parents having a healthy stable relationship is very important when it comes to setting an example for your kids... or else they end up repeating the cycle whether they meant to or not. and these are the rich folks doing it ....

[@kibi_hz]

good morning Stephanie! you've been a part of my getting ready routine since last year and there's never been a dull moment~ so much loveee to you and mr mangobutt

[@roo3651]

Molly definitely has issues she's not dealing with. The fact that she puts sooooo much emphasis on how some of the men called her "hot" and "better looking than the daughter" and how other women were jealous when they found out how "hot" she was... like.... you definitely just wrote the book for some kind of self validation. It's so freaking weird. "I'm miserable, but like, a couple of people said I was so hot, you guys!"

[@reannaking3802]

oof....theres really no truly unique experience is there? 😅 My ex husband manipulated me into polyamory, and it mentally destroyed me for a while. My current partner and i have a similar experience with that manipulation and are happily monogamous now. All of this is so icky and reminding me of how dumb i was and how i accepted such bare minimum treatment 😅

[@user-nu8hz7fi3s]

Trauma bonded into a healthy relationship

[@reannaking3802]

@user-nu8hz7fi3s we joke about that actually 🤣. Dark humor is my mental healthcare

[@raysa_n]

Listening to this on my commute to work and I literally went through a rollercoaster of emotions🤣🤯🤡🤢🤬. Thank you Stephanie for narrating this crazy a** story.

[@gottaricotta]

I'm not the only one who listens to rotten mango on my 2h commute to work, good to know haha

[@Gr95dc]

I met a guy at work who was 24 dating a 19 yo since she was 18. Not a huge age gap but it was a great example of why age gaps greater than 2 years when at least one of the people involved are below 25 always seems predatory to me. Anyway, the guy considers himself poly, but even if I liked him as a friend it seemed like it was just an excuse to cheat on his younger gf. He told me he was honest with her from the beginning (only reason I still talked to him) but I also knew her girlfriend, and it was so blatantly obvious she was not ok with him seeing other girls, and even him talking to me seemed to peeve her up. IDK, perhaps I read to much into it, but I'm 29 and I've seen some shit during my 20s and I've learnt to recognize insecure people and people who takes advantage of young insecure people.

[@yona4121]

I agree with the under 25 part- I know age doesn’t automatically equate to wisdom but wow the development of the frontal lobe does wonders!

[@rosannaperalta1412]

I can not believe this is happening, the first half of the book felt just like my life, my husband manipulated me into an open relationship, and just like with her, by the time I agreed to let him be with the woman he confessed he already had sex with her, I felt so used and he kept saying this was for our marriage to “spice up” at the end he became obsessed with swinger’s websites, started conversations with other men pretending to be me, because I was not engaging..it was too much, we lasted 16 years of marriage, around last 8 were with on and off open marriage until I gave up, we’ve been separated for 5 months now..but seriously i can not comprehend how we let people gaslight us into this mess

[@DjawHar-qs7rb]

Love u Stephanie don't forget to take care of urself💗💗

[@1pearl.6]

All these relationships and they don't get diseases?!! Everything about this is so sickening and disgusting, I feel so sorry about all the kids growing up in such bad environments

[@Lara-lp8ve]

It's winter in my country and I started watching ur mukbangs around dis time last year along with my meals. Made me feel so cozy. I miss dat feeling now. The nostalgia 🫠😭🤌✨

[@saphna2095]

"are we in the minority" haha MrMB is so precious, as are you Stephanie, i just LOVE the voices you read ppl in

[@carolinaberrilleza7600]

Was listening to this while folding laundry and I was screaming why are you guys together! 😂

[@sianbeecham2825]

Forking hell, they were BOINKING, gets me every time. I wasn’t so bothered when I was folding my towels and discovered holes in one. Turns out my hamster has been nibbling on one. The hamster is ok though. Now I fully understand gas lighting. 😂❤

[@tallisdavidson9236]

My husband and I have had an open relationship since we got together. We talk about EVERYTHING! We had a “business meeting” about it at the beginning and talk about terms and boundaries. We revisit this conversation all the time. We check in with each other and prioritize each other’s comfort ability. Being open requires communication, Stu shutting down communication is SUCH a red flag.

[@maggieliz333]

oh my goodness this was such a roller coaster of a memoir! i am polyamorous and everyone made me cringe too lolol we don’t claim any of these people 🤭🫶🏼

[@katiearrieta3810]

Girl... I LOVE your style. Always entertaining and hilarious

[@mmmqua]

Just got to the end, and I'm confused, annoyed, grossed out, and disappointed in humanity.... 🥺 I know some always existed, but why are there sooo many of these hotel chair people coming out nowadays???

[@charmcaster9099]

I think she was kept falling in again with every guy is bcoz her husband was not showing her love and affection, but other men are, so she starts falling for them again & again. She needs a psychiatrist.

[@ysucae]

i have a bunch of friends who are poly and the main thing is you gotta talk and work on those relationships constantly. some people just have way too much to give to just one person. but typically it always starts as a couple and then gradually opens up, even when it's agreed to be poly at the start. it a lot of energy and organisation and responsibility. you can't do that if anyone's got a unhealthy attachment style, everyone has to be comfortable and confident in their relationships with others and themselves.you gotta all be clean and protected and known to the other partners. respect boundaries, never lie. personally? i have a hard time just managing myself so that's absolutely not for me.

[@zs_886]

Poly at the start AHAHAH, SO they just fking around... thats not a relationship hun. It's called being loose

[@Cogentess]

this is wild to me bcs idk how ppl have that level of trust for so many ppl in the mix . I like my circle small , close nit and strong id be exhausted working all that out on top of family and friends

[@dalcooky601]

can i just say stephanie you look so gorgeous in this video i mean you always do but youre glowing rn my god i watched this video 3 separate times because hello attention span and my brain was always “she looks so good” wow

[@arilfy]

Finally a break from the chinaverse‼️ LOVED THEMM but its ridiculous how many stories there are 😭😭

[@GraceZhang-r4j]

What’s chinaverse

[@mmmqua]

Oh, nahhhh!!! Chinaverse & Chaebol stories are the absolute best ones!!!!! 😂

[@ItsNessaTho]

​@@GraceZhang-r4j all the crazy and ridiculous stories from China /Chinese popculture. A LOT goes on there lmao

[@amez_22]

@@GraceZhang-r4jall the drama that goes on in china

[@Gardenahi]

@@GraceZhang-r4jdrama that happens in china, Stephanie covers them alot, she also covers drama happening in Korea too

[@Persistence5]

This is soooo toxic, Stephanie. All I hear are people trying to find fulfillment in their lives by jumping around with different people. It really seems that not 1 person is happy in their relationship throughout this entire book. It is really sad.

[@sarahanne__]

Poor mats girlfriend

[@natalies1684]

The whole thing sounds like a nightmare I would have and then wake up and be mad at my innocent husband for the rest of the day. 😂

[@liv1898]

That hobbit line was insaneeeee

[@pamelaleannefreeland9025]

Cruel. It was cruel. That pathetic excuse for a husband and father did nothing but emotionally manipulate, neglect, and abuse his wife into this from the very beginning. And, sadly, she’s still brainwashed into thinking she’s content with that mess. I hope someday she sees what is reality.

[@mimiity9585]

As a mother I would never do this to my kids!! It’s disgusting and hurtful.

[@Sharon-o4w]

The key to not lose my mind while I work 12hr shifts? These videos.

[@blueberrijem]

I just want to say that this channel got me hooked! It's funny how there's no boring moment with Stephanie's story telling.

[@batmorrigan7616]

open relationships and poly relationships need communication and consent

[@MichellesChannel88]

Wow Molly & Co. are living life on the edge 😂 On a serious note though - Thanks for covering people's stories that haven't been fairly represented or even really told at all!! IMO You are 100% a WORTHY ADVOCATE!!! ❤

[@Maru.Moreno]

Yayyy, stephanie posted when I'm about to hop on the treadmill. Now I have something to listen to! 🎉

[@YAR941]

"she is gaslighting herself into thinking this is the way of life" 👏🏻 I couldnt agree more

[@myfairytalelife3]

1:15:06 The way you described that is similar to how people in the bdsm community described 50 Shades. Like, it's opposite of what the community is supposed to be like. Lmfao. [EDIT] By the way, the irony of you wearing a shirt that says "Wellness" when this video is far from that. Lmfao. 😂.

[@caittails]

Not the names being Matt and Molly when I’m listening to this while working on next week’s Matt and Molly speech therapy lesson plans. 🤣

[@jeffreybradford3003]

Yup saw this pop and instinctively my thumb rained down on the "play now" button

[@LaToxicaEly]

19:37 sameeeee a lil fiction in the drama makes it’s so enticing

[@robynriley25]

This is the best video I've ever watched. The reactions they both have are hilarious 😂

[@jazmyne3223]

57:17 Mr. Mango loves you so much 🥰 this man said “I need work on myself” so he could understand compression for you 🙏🏽🙏🏽 bless you sir your heart is so pure and your unconditional love for Stephanie is a love I hope many of her followers will get to experience at some point in life❤

[@marianacart]

What a great surprise!! I was just looking foward a true crime vídeo and ramdomly found this fresh juicy masterpiece of storytelling!! Love you, Steph!

[@KOVUdei]

As a Polynesian it sucks when I tell people I’m Poly 💀💀💀

[@thefloor6695]

off topic but you’re so pretty stephanie!! i always am in awe when i see ur videos LMAOSOSD

[@beaboo_]

Oh my god, she basically wrote a book that explains how her mom turned out the way she did 😭

[@kaii2535]

Truly love your videos, Stephanie and how you describe the cases, and just everything in general. I'm studying law myself, and this..really inspires me to keep going. ❤

[@sulekhaaadan3020]

❤❤❤❤❤❤ keep going wishing you happiness and success 🙌 ❤❤❤❤ in your life and your studies ✨️

[@kaii2535]

@sulekhaaadan3020 appreciate it

[@thabangmt509]

35:15 😂😂😂😂 Mr Mangobutt got me randomly cackling at the gym 😂.

[@13realmusic]

The biggest problem I keep hearing about in the polyamorous community is people wanting to have multiple partners by cheating and actively hiding their actions. I feel like there’s a very very small percentage of people respectfully pursuing a poly lifestyle and the rest are a bunch of emotionally stunted adults who now have a convenient excuse to have an emotional support partner and a fun partner without putting any effort into either.

[@shanabana22]

I love this channel 🙌 i found you when Rotten Mango was suggested for me but sometimes I need a break from the heavy stuff but still want some Stephanie 😅 this hit the spot lol

[@Kiki-sf7gi]

I’ve been bingewatching u for days this is perfect

[@bubbles0216]

I loved finding her after she was established because she has weeks of content across her channels. Happy binging!

[@Kiki-sf7gi]

@@bubbles0216 exactly!! Thanks love hihi

[@adheenibiju05]

As an 19 years old GIRL I think i have more emotional IQ than the writer and her mom and overall most of the characters 😮like hallo people whaaaat