Been a couple weeks, so I wanted to give an update: The Moonrakers are behind the bar at both Valor locations. Espresso is tasting fantastic, channeled shots are down overall, so those are the pros. As expected, though, the needles are mega bent. Also, one of the magnetic pieces that holds the needles in place fell out on one of the Moonrakers and has disappeared. So just totally missing a needle on one until Weber starts selling replacement parts. That is as much of a bummer as the needles bending, if not more. I have the Barista Hustle Auto Comb on pre-order and will be posting a comparison video and review when it arrives - obviously I'll have to get it in my hands first, but I'm pretty optimistic that it will address the downsides of the Moonraker and likely replace it behind our bars. Any questions, feel free to ask me below or send me a DM on my Instagram - @rileywestbrook
@kaseyricciardi969710 ай бұрын
Have you received your autocomb yet? I just got mine today. I like everything about it, except the pins are not on individual gears like the moonrake is. So they make circles just like the ones you find in the cap style. :-( exactly what the moon rake was designed to avoid. I need the moon rake in the autocomb body! Edit: I found your autocomb review, so disregard!
@rodsawhite Жыл бұрын
Just as an FYI there is a 3D printed version of this called Umikot. It works the same and costs a fraction to make. I’ve made 4 already and it costs literally dollars
@guiwood Жыл бұрын
I am printing my first one, and I am amazed on the quality of the gear system.
@Theincrediblespud Жыл бұрын
@@guiwood I don’t have a 3D printer. How much would you estimate a company would charge to print that amount for me?
@daniwalmsley611 Жыл бұрын
@@Theincrediblespudcheck etsy, parts that size between $20-$60 but you might pay more bc of the tolerance needed and the low volume. However there are lots of 3D printing services where you can just upload the model they'll quote you, print it and ship it. I believe thimgiverse has this feature pr it might be shapeways
@gro967 Жыл бұрын
3d printing can unfortunately not match the quality, detail or material of the moonraker. It’s an interesting experiment nevertheless.
@daniwalmsley611 Жыл бұрын
@@gro967nobody is suggesting that it's overpriced (although the scraping/feel of the base version isn't great). Just that this tools unique functionality isn't unique. Tbh a resin 3D print would probably feel better than the base version
@tobiasbouma4071 Жыл бұрын
I was one of the first 20 people to order the moonraker and also got it as one of the first. It's been great and been using it for all my shots. Not had a channeled shot since, but I always go for the ten turns. If your unit is properly lubricated you can use a finger on the upper glass to turn the raker 10 times and keep most of the volatile compounds for extraction. (Some people have reported iffy QC so YMMV) BTW if you like faster shots and are already looking at sworksdesign, then maybe the billet basket might also be a good one for you, it upped my EY by 2% on like-for-like shot parameters. The flat lip doesn't work 100% great with the raker so better to use the autocomb
@damianhbk1 Жыл бұрын
I think what makes sense to me is redesigning this by adding a magnetic top with a stand so the needles won't get bent/damaged on the holder! 🤷♂️ Great review! New subscriber here!😊
@Gk2003m9 ай бұрын
I stuck a handful of needles in a wine cork, cost me two bucks, haven’t had a channeled shot since
@travisdip Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your review style. It is EXACTLY the type of information I am looking for, especially since you give the perspective of using the tool in a cafe environment, which I think is lacking in the youtube coffee space. Thank you!
@BensCoffeeRants Жыл бұрын
I like your testing methodology, 10 turns I think is ideal for the Weber Moonraker and similar (3d printed) ones. I had the same problem with bending the needles on my 3d Printed version, it still seems to work nicely despite that! The AutoComb doesn't have the spiralgraphic (gear mechanism thing) design but seems like it does a good job with distribution and it does it in like 1 second! and Needles seem more Protected from being bent, it has its own retractable stand built in basically, so it seems more café oriented for those reasons!
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for watching :)
@teezettsb10 ай бұрын
I see 2 disadvantages in this tool against a normal WDT tool: It has a fixed diameter that need to match the filter. The needle length cannot be adjusted for different filter size. If you switch between double and single shots So it's more for a café with always same routine.
@CabeensCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
this channel is gonna blow up! Honored to be in the first 500 subs!
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words!
@darylfortney8081 Жыл бұрын
I'd really like to see you do a blind taste test trying to determine which shot is using WDT vs just the standard traditional puck prep.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Good idea! Might post one on my Instagram in the next week or two
@sebastiandiaz7810 Жыл бұрын
Production is insane brother! Much respect from Vegas! The setup is crazy too. Subscribed!
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
The kind words mean so much, thanks for watching!!
@cakeman588 ай бұрын
For that kind of money, it should have a small motor driven by a button battery that makes 10 turns and then stops to make it a hands-free device. That would add efficiency and increase production in a cafe environment.
@DonKangolJones Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you bringing up something as basic as the wear and tear and cost of needles. That wasn't something I factored into the already substantial price.
@BensCoffeeRants Жыл бұрын
For Cafe's I think the workflow and durability of the Barista Hustle AutoComb seems better. Also a better value, and can adjust the depth of the needles quick and easy for different portafilter or basket depths. Not having adjustable depth is a pretty big design flaw on the Moonraker, even cheap 3d Printed versions that Weber based their design on HAS ADJUSTABLE Depth!
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
I think I'm probably on the same page as you here, will know for sure when my Auto Comb arrives and I get a video posted. Thanks for watching!
@FrancescoCarucci Жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thanks. I just find the theatricals a bit distracting.
@level3ninja125 Жыл бұрын
The biggest issue for a cafe i can see is the lack of finger hole do you can just move your whole hand around in a circle instead of the RSI inducing grip and twist 15+ times for 5 revolutions. The new BH tool looks to actually be designed for cafe use.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Totally agreed, I preordered the BH Auto Comb and will certainly get a video posted when I receive it (likely August or September).
@TizOnly1 Жыл бұрын
Perfect video! Don't feel like I need to see any other review for this. You got all the important points with data, taste, different turns.. true video for the sickos out there thinking of buying this!
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the love, glad you found it helpful - sickos is a hilarious and too true way to put it 😂
@shamrock1337tm Жыл бұрын
thanks for the review! been eyeing this up, had an opportunity to buy a 2nd hand standard version, but lost out... :C
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Dang! Saw the Barista Hustle Auto Comb just hit the market as well (preorder), might be worth a look🤔
@mehrdadhaghighi5140 Жыл бұрын
You're amazing! This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much for putting in the time for this detailed video!
@Lectuz Жыл бұрын
Good to finally see it in actual use with a vst basket and not a unifilter or just a clip of holding it up and spinning the needles around. But no naked portafilter shot :(
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Hah, I’ll throw a bottomless in next time, honestly more of a spouted fan for reasons I may discuss later but this is good feedback!
@Lectuz Жыл бұрын
@@rileywestbrook Totally understandable. It's just a neat visual way to see how it's extracting and how the pour forms. Always chacing that rat tail :D
@Silatas86 Жыл бұрын
We use the BH Comb in the shop I work in. Night and day difference. This would certainly increase our speed, but I am wary on the longevity of the needles.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Auto Comb is just around the corner, might be right for you!
@IonNight6 ай бұрын
I 3D printed my own EG-1 for less than $300 included electronics and 83mm Mazzer Major burrs. I bet I can make the Weber Moonraker for almost nothing, but ofc with better needles.
@Bbarm97 Жыл бұрын
Im working on an identical working thin 3d printable version of this right now. its good to see that the needle thing is an issue cuz I can make so that they are exchangeable on my design. the biggest issue with 3 print is the tolerances but I think its not impossible to get it right and then publish the files online
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Nice, yeah interchangeable needles seems like a good move. Not sure if it's possible, but maybe take a look at the Barista Hustle Auto Comb design and see if there's any inspo to gain there? Seems like the needles wouldn't have as much of a bending problem because of the retractable top piece
@Bbarm97 Жыл бұрын
@@rileywestbrook yeah the retractable thing is really cool. with 3d print im not sure it would work because there are the thin layers so the surfaces are not so smooth to slide and be held tight by orings at the same time. over time the friction would destroy orings super fast and it would never be as smooth.ill think about it. thank you :)
@petercaddy Жыл бұрын
I’m up for buying a 3D printed prototype to test once you have it
@Bbarm97 Жыл бұрын
@@petercaddy not sure if id be selling but it very much depends on how long the print times are I will consider it. Ill write here if i do. I think the price would be about 40 Euros depending on print time and material costs
@alixhan223 Жыл бұрын
@@Bbarm97would you be publishing the stl files? I’d love to try it if it works out!
@EleazarOctavioRuizSpreafico Жыл бұрын
The needles have always been a problem in all the wdt tools I had. Could you do a video review of the Autocomb (Barista Hustle)?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
I’ve got in on preorder and certainly will when it arrives :)
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Big thanks to everyone who has stumbled upon this video! More reviews and tutorials coming soon, so hit SUBSCRIBE and stay in touch!
@jose098414 ай бұрын
Well this didn't age very well after Lance Hedrick came out with the latest distribution method called the Blind shaker and this is the way to go now!
@alexisrodriguez7127 Жыл бұрын
This is a excellent video especially considering you have less than 500 subs!
@alexlazaridisf.7276 Жыл бұрын
Maybe they need thicker needles. I’ve been using Duomo the Eight for three years and have seen it used by several top baristas in cafe and competition settings. It doesn’t do that beautiful gear thing the Weber does but it works well. Love the Weber design though.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
I agree, function over form in most cases. Thanks for watching!
@DigitalicaEG Жыл бұрын
You deserve a lot more subs, keep at it man, great overview
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words!!
@adamg.manning6088 Жыл бұрын
Subscriber Lucky Number 3. Let’s go.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Yoooooo thanks so much!
@adamg.manning6088 Жыл бұрын
@@rileywestbrook Your videos are seriously impressive and you’ve better presentation than a lot of established “coffee professionals” on a KZbin. (And I say that generously because there are some that I am baffled are as popular as they are, but let’s keep this positive.) What’s in the pipeline next?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the kind words a ton! Got a video on my opinion of Cometeer, the new Fellow Tally Pro, and some education stuff coming up!
@adamg.manning6088 Жыл бұрын
@@rileywestbrook Sounds good. Looking forward to it.
@AnOtterCoffee Жыл бұрын
Acupuncture needles are really cheap. 10$ (CAD dollars) for 100 replacement needles (0.3mm x 40mm).
@ab185 Жыл бұрын
The y-axis on your graph at 5:33 is bordering on trickery. You're making the 2% relative jump from 0 turns to 10 turns seem like a much bigger deal than it is.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Solid feedback, thanks for watching
@bermchasin8 ай бұрын
The extraction percentage is literally at the 0.5% level, a 2% increase maybe. So... WORTH IT.
@randyhou8522 Жыл бұрын
I think in cafe setting the moonraker makes sense cost wise. If it ups the coffee taste above the rest of the competition, will do wonders for return customers. for personal use it is an absurd price, but for some it's still worth it. not me.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for watching
@jakemeyer5678 Жыл бұрын
Should compare this and the auto comb when it comes out!
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Got it preordered, keep an eye out!
@travisdip Жыл бұрын
Great video! Quality and editing are on point! When you say "lab" is that just an extra room in one of the cafes or a separate office?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
This is our lab space in our roasting headquarters, essentially a simulation coffee shop with extra manual brew methods, cupping table, etc.
@Theincrediblespud Жыл бұрын
I imagine, one day, someone will release an electric equivalent - ideal for cafés; similar to a PuqPress vs manual tamping.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
True, could be cool!
@ebstmnt Жыл бұрын
I’ll be subscriber #25
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@Kindred1a15 ай бұрын
Glaring issues with your methodology: (1) Not enough of a sample size for each group and (2) because of the first issue, you can't calculate if the difference in extraction is significantly difference.
@coffeenerdaaron Жыл бұрын
Great video man! ☕️🤘
@someguy9520 Жыл бұрын
Seems like the bent needles are still a problem You can even see it in the thumbnail Still use a "oldschool" accupuncture needles with a handle type wdt Thinking about the 3D printed ones that a few ppl showed on yt
@tacosyk Жыл бұрын
nah, 3d printed one takes a while. Just keep doing the 'old school' WDT handle with 3-7 needles in it. Takes me like 10-15 seconds versus about 40-50 seconds to do 8 spins on the 3D printed Moonraker replica. And when you're spinning the 3D printed one, it's really not smooth at all and there's always the risk of bits and pieces falling as the gears are grinding against one another when you turn.
@someguy9520 Жыл бұрын
@tacosyk i have a few friends with 3d printers and lots of experience, so it wouldn't be too difficult for me But 40-50sec for the 8 spins? Thats an awful long time Yeah the little plastic shavings are a concern IMO. They say that the clearances and pressures between cogs and spindles are good enough that no material gets rubbed off But if thats the truth, every transmission ever wouldn't need fluid or a flui change
@tacosyk Жыл бұрын
@@someguy9520 Yeah maybe the clearance is good enough, but it just makes a sound (All 3 that I printed do this) which makes it sound like something pieces could fall off. Maybe you could make a screen or something thats in the middle of the needle so you're able to turn the device with minimum risk if some do shave off. Also, didn't realize how much of an over-exaggeration the time I gave was. I just did a 'mock' run with no grounds, took me 20 seconds to do 8 full rotations.
@dancingmischief Жыл бұрын
Those needles look like the bottom part of a guitar string
@lenso0107 ай бұрын
what is wrong with my cork wdt ?
@dankennedy3365 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, nice breakdown 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 I wonder what the needle diameter is, 0.3mm most likely? replaceable with 0.35 or 0.4 for a li'l more sturdiness?!? I also wonder who actually came up with the planetary geared WDT tool. I saw it on Etsy and Thingiverse way before Weber released the Moonraker 🤷🏻♂ but either way you can buy a 3D printed one for less than $50 which is pretty much a no brainer to me.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Yeah, $50 is certainly more palatable.
@jimmylam78309 ай бұрын
this looks cool until i saw the price on the website... i love espresso, but definitely does not justify having one at home..
@akquicksilver9 ай бұрын
Cool, but I think I will wait for the knockoff at 1/2 to 1/4 of the price.
@darylfortney8081 Жыл бұрын
the stand should in no way bend the needles otherwise it's a clear design flaw, especially at that price.
@GregStinson Жыл бұрын
That price 😮
@path72 Жыл бұрын
Searching for something like "Nozzle Cleaning Needles 0.4mm" you get the same needles (answers to my previous comment keep disappearing)
@bluemystic750111 ай бұрын
50 gram shot in 22 seconds; is that to highlight more of the acidic, floral notes?
@rileywestbrook11 ай бұрын
The EK43's burr geometry creates an interesting distribution of fines, leading to shot times being shorter on the EK and, oftentimes, preference by many to go towards longer yields. Matt Perger / Barista Hustle have written a decent bit on this that can be found by Googling something along the lines of "EK43 Barista Hustle"
@bluemystic750111 ай бұрын
@@rileywestbrook Ah, so it's because of the grinder. Thanks! Just wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.
@adamnealis Жыл бұрын
What happens when someone combines a grinder with an motor-driven spirograph WDT? 10 turns in 3 seconds, for example?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Combining a great grinder, WDT and an internal puqpress would be nuts!
@jorgetobc2383 Жыл бұрын
hi the autocomb from barista hustle sees like more strong build and is cheaper
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
True! I have one preordered and will post a video when it arrives :)
@zakharkoval5669 Жыл бұрын
"I don't see any way around that" Ever though on just turning it over and not using the holder?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Not really a practical solution though, especially in a cafe. It’s supposed to go in the base, therefore it’s a design flaw imo
@theasiandev Жыл бұрын
Can you also test the AutoComb from barista hustle and compare the two?
@theasiandev Жыл бұрын
nvm i already see you got it on preorder lol. looking forward to the review on that. given its cheaper, faster (from videos so far), and the variability of "combing" is more random than the moonraker, it kinda makes the WW pointless
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Yeah, looking forward to getting it in my hands and will have the video posted shortly after.
@FLFOREVER Жыл бұрын
20 in 50 out in 22 seconds seems fast-is that a turbo shot?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t call it a turbo shot, but it is certainly in the range that the EK43 specifically likes. If I was pulling this coffee on an E80 or the Mythos, I’d dial it any much differently, but I prefer shorter shot times and larger ratios with the EK
@FLFOREVER Жыл бұрын
@@rileywestbrook Awesome! Still learning and hadn't heard of those numbers before. Thanks for elaborating!!
@adamkohalmi7180 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Now I just feel old. I was still of the impression that 20g in 30g out in 30 secs was the ultimate goal/ratio….
@shawnsgear Жыл бұрын
@@adamkohalmi7180I think the ultimate goal is something that tastes amazing!😊
@drazenbabich Жыл бұрын
@@adamkohalmi7180You are correct. But the new wave coffee proponents have been trying to break the traditional Italian espress ratios for some time now, som with more some with less cuvées.
@daniwalmsley611 Жыл бұрын
This is not going to improve your best shot a whole lot (unless you struggle with wdt but then you probably want this anyway) this improves your worst shot of espresso, everybody gets tired, everybody makes mistakes and this makes it so much easier to make sure you still have a great shot when your games a little off or your in a rush This is the same reason I recommend a puqpress or force tamper
@Niikolaii Жыл бұрын
Barista Hustle Auto Comb is the right Tool for you. This peace is just an expensive toy for home baristas.
@shawnsgear Жыл бұрын
Just curious, what burrs are you using in the EK?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
The newer stock EK burrs, really enjoy them personally!
@shawnsgear Жыл бұрын
@@rileywestbrook nice! I have the Stock EK burrs in my Ultra Grinder and love them as well. I use the Pre-2015 MK regrinds in my EK. Really like those as well. Great video btw!!
@flipper2gv Жыл бұрын
I feel like preinfusion would be a better improvement than wdt
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching :) I agree that both are improvements, but again in terms of viability in a cafe environment, longer pre-infusions can drastically slow ticket times.
@path72 Жыл бұрын
Those needles with spring and lttle ring at the base are the usual 3D printer cleaning needles. I bought them separately for my DIY WDT. Nothing so special from Weber on that regard...
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Care to drop a link to some that would work?
@christopherma1718 Жыл бұрын
Can you control depth of needles?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
No, but they send different length needles in the box
@animeanytime Жыл бұрын
Are you using these on bar at Valor now?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Yes, as of last week :)
@twochaudiomg25789 ай бұрын
VST Alao with all that How can you mees anything up. We don't Need no VST.
@1967davidfitness Жыл бұрын
Why just 22 seconds? I thought 30 was the target?
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Shot time varies greatly depending on lots of parameters, including roast level, grinders/burr geometry and more. The grinder I’m using tends to pull its best shots in shorter times.
@andrewpiper2880 Жыл бұрын
Mate..if you think spinning this for a few more turns makes a difference I want what you've been smoking...
@shawnsgear Жыл бұрын
@andrewpiper2880 He used a refractometer and tasted the coffee.
@TheWoeggil Жыл бұрын
Maybe it is time to put away my trusty paperclip...
@palmettopalm Жыл бұрын
How do you only have 1 subscriber? I’ll be your second :)
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton! Just getting this channel going so the support means the world!
@BensCoffeeRants11 ай бұрын
I think my AutoComb is coming tomorrow... but I sold my 58mm machine :'(
@rileywestbrook11 ай бұрын
I’ll buy that Autocomb off ya if you no longer need it
@BensCoffeeRants11 ай бұрын
@@rileywestbrook I'm thinking I might find a decent 58mm machine soon, I also have a Weber Buck portafilter and basket coming lol. I doubt the Meticulous machine is going to arrive early, but that's coming eventually. I'm enjoying pour overs and the La Pavoni Europiccola as well for now. I'm in Canada, If I did sell the Autocomb it would be for a slight profit ;)
@AviadMD Жыл бұрын
It got nothing on the AutoComb
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Preordered and will review when it arrives :)
@wakeawaken430 Жыл бұрын
Totally waste of money A tool that will buy the total fashion victim who doesn't really know how to make an espresso
@benjaminbutton3476 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you need an Autocomb
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Got one on preorder 🤘
@h3yn0w Жыл бұрын
I personally don’t think wdt belongs in a cafe setting using commercial grinders , but if you are going to do it the barista hustle tool seems like a better option. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKfdm6qoh9ONpaM
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
I’ve got it on preorder and will review when it comes in. Genuinely curious, why do you feel commercial grinders and WDT aren’t a fit?
@Thetache Жыл бұрын
Least scientific test I have seen for an overpriced tool.
@rileywestbrook Жыл бұрын
Sick comment
@twochaudiomg25789 ай бұрын
Guest ? Try Customers trying to be cute Guest it's free You use that in a coffee shop. Line of CUSTOMER S. Can get long. Try a tooth pick Don't push crap of course probably won't Say price of it. We will see. Guest lol
@rileywestbrook9 ай бұрын
This comment lol. Who hurt you?
@nyccolm7 ай бұрын
Uh…Ya…It gets more than a little absurd. $275 US?!? You might as well buy yourself a bit of coke and have a sniff or two. It’ll likely be more bang for your buck. 😂 Ya. That’s right. Coka Cola. People are sniffing the stuff with a straw now. Kids these days!!!!