[TF2] The Absurd Subclasses of MvM - Part 2

I'll pick up production, I promise.
Join the Discord: / discord
Follow my Twitter: / weezytf2
Music List:
Tal Tal Heights - Smash Ultimate
Vs Champion - Pokemon X
Let the Battles Begin - Smash Ultimate
Fourside - Smash Ultimate
Cynthia Battle Theme - Pokemon Diamond/Pearl
Shroom Ridge - Mario Kart DS
Vault - Kid Icarus Uprising

[@Fatmagic]

I love playing huntsman in MVM

[@z1u512]

You are the only exception to "huntsman is bad in mvm". Your wideness simply negates its weakness

[@davidhong1934]

@@z1u512 It's almost like he's using some kind of magic

[@arbiter6859]

I for one love playing "damage" scout

[@jackvictoryfankyola105]

F F O K C U F

[@hayn10]

Ee

[@tannermartin5026]

The prime mvm squad: Overweight guy wielding a shotgun. Minecraft soldier. A terrorist. And a man child chugging radiation. God i love this game.

[@TheTundraTerror]

The group chat

[@purplehaze2358]

“In the same way that the heavy is TF2’s shiny poster child, the fat scout is perhaps the single most well-known subclass of them all” Demoknight: Are you sure about that?

[@davidhong1934]

(an angry Trolldier is rapidly approaching your location)

[@REELWORKS12923]

Hoovy: am I a joke to you?

[@thechazz3230]

@@REELWORKS12923 Hoovy is just annoying "oh great. A useless teammate, that's faaaaantaaaastic." Boxing Heavy is a better example and more well known than both.

[@genericguymandude]

oh god, I have a feeling this reply section is gonna be a battle field

[@maestrofeli4259]

@@thechazz3230 being a friendly isn't a subclass, it's just a way if playing that is aplicable to any class

[@Dr_Steelhammer]

With the pipe demo, replacing your stickybomb launcher with the chargin targe is a great combo, that 30% blast and 50% fire resistance come as a savior in the early waves

[@ishitmypantsinacarwheniwas7]

it saves a lot of money too ig

[@IInferno]

Great to see you back Mr. Weezer.

[@weezey]

😏

[@mehmetaktan8527]

whats with these homies dissing my girl

[@Alawo-]

@@Tom-cj5wt racism?

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

He uploads once a month, this isnt him being back just the norm

[@STANK_THE_SHITTIEST_CHANNEL]

*Wrestle with Jimmy intensifies*

[@TheLmb10000]

What about madmilk medic? His absurdity shows itself when you see half of your team charging mindlessly to their own death and you just "F**k this shit" and cover the entirety of the robots with milk non-stop to make sure you won't run in panic between your suicidal teammates and scream "This is insanity! I can't take it anymore!"

[@thunderspark1536]

Scout with the largest splash radius on his milk with a slowdown effect and recharge time upgrades: "Fuck off doc, it's my turn*

[@tonywalser6420]

"Milk"

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

yeah; i like having it as backup

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Considering it's medic, it should be "Mein Gott, zis is insane, Stop das!"

[@mateuszkubas4433]

If there's ever going to be a part 3 somehow, I have another subclass not presented here. Bison Soldier. Surprisingly, the Righteous Bison has a use, and a purpose in MVM, since it can hit multiple times with a single shot, it can be effectively used as a tank destroyer, and it's still somewhat useful against regular robots. P.S Excessive Use of Crit Canteens is advised for best results

[@davidhong1934]

We should all strive to be like the Bison soldier

[@numpad6467]

As a Bison soldier, I can confirm, it eats tanks for breakfast. A full upgraded bison gets full use of one krit canteen on a full clip, or most of a Kritz uber if your medic is cool. You're less effective on regular robots, but it's still enough to get away with.

[@theshermantanker7043]

No joke actually, shooting a bison diagonally through a tank literally fries its insides

In front of or behind the tank?

[@numpad6467]

@ It doesn't really matter, with how slow the Tank goes you can only get one or two more ticks of damage based on positioning. Optimally though yeah, you shoot it diagonally from behind. That said, shooting from in front of the tank can hit bots stuck behind it, which is a good bonus.

[@deeppit3218]

Hello people and welcome to the series: Meat men vs gear guys Subspecies, where a funny banana guy explains guns. Pipe demo: You forgot that switching weapons was an option Boxing heavy: You are tired of ignoring those tanks but now you are tired of dying Fat scout: You didnt forgot to switch weapons… unfortunately Huntsman sniper: You are the type of human who says vegan meat is the same thing as normal meat Trolldier: “I wonder why soundsmith doesnt upload mvm videos that often?” Loved this vid 10/10 would eat here again

[@davidhong1934]

*Pybro:* Still trying to argue that the Homewrecker should deal more damage against robots *Pyroshark:* Still trying to argue that robots aren't waterproof *Pyroland Pyro:* About to be kicked for running stock

[@korhol2065]

That last one with trolldier can be summed up in one sentence “If it doesn’t make their playstyle viable, people simply won’t play it”

[@roninalpha1285]

@Chase Tiria same thing-

[@NoahWolfWiseKingWolf]

@@davidhong1934 homewrecker should

[@alex.g7317]

whos soundsmith?

[@theotv5522]

Remember kids, for every sub class you have, there needs to be 2 classes doing their intended role, or else you're 1 team wipe away from a restart.

[@fireblast133]

imagine if huntsman had that unique projectile penetration and explosive headshot. It'd be an interesting option I'd say. for trolldier? Market Gardener gets a damage buff and 'crits while midair deal 100% damage to all surrounding targets'

[@fortnitesexman]

explosive market gardener /:) i mean, either that or you go full balls to the wall in terms of single target damage, 390 damage per market garden (assuming 4 +25% damage upgrades and guaranteed crits) really isn't that much damage, so perhaps we could have the damage increase based on your fall momentum aswell

[@Dafuqinator7]

I'd also give it a Range extension upgrade.

[@nacl4988]

Trolldier should get "Armour Piercing" upgrade Exactly like Spies knife, **MASSIVE** Damage against Giants.

[@fireblast133]

@@fortnitesexman yeah that’s another option. But we leave the damage boost as a base increase, and the momentum boost as a multiplier, then the explosive can pass damage around but not the momentum boost. Up to 300% off the momentum sound good? (That’d make the single target strike deal 390 minimum, 1440 max) an upgrade that makes it crit when airborne for any reason, not just explosives Hell, we’re forgetting the goomba stomp. It’s calculation is ‘fall damage increased by 10, then multiplied by 3’ last I checked. So, a four stage booster that doubles that damage multiplier each stack (so 6x, 12x, 24x, 48x). So a strong goomba stomp could deal somewhere close to 2000 damage on a basic stomp, and close to 5000 on a super one. (Fall damage is about 15-50% max health based on momentum, so for soldier it’s 30-100, but the damage for the stomp would calculate 40-110) There’s ways to make it viable with the right buffs.

[@fractalisomega9517]

Give it Multishot or something, every upgrade adds an arrow to it with accuracy variation like a Pistol.... fully upgraded it's like a Shotgun styled arrow launcher With it's massive hitbox on the projectile it could be very strong, but would force you to be closer for focused single target damage

[@DoctorSpacebar]

Imagine getting multiple Explosive Headshots with one arrow. That would be amazing and it's a crying shame that Huntsman lacks the upgrade. It's already riskier than rifles, throw it a bone!

[@dispentryporter8621]

Rifles also have a Penetration upgrade and can get multiple Explosive Headshots at once, so it wouldn't even be unique.

[@purplehaze2358]

Demo being more than a little busted in MVM is to be expected considering he’s also more than a little busted in pretty much every other scenario.

[@muddashucka9743]

Sniper being the overwhelmingly broken class of MvM is expected considering he's also overwhelmingly overpowered in every other gamemode.

[@slightlyaltruistic9470]

@@muddashucka9743 how is it that every reply you have on this video is an overwhelmingly bad take

[@DoomGuy148.]

soldier is just as busted as demo here so yeah

[@exploertm8738]

@@slightlyaltruistic9470 You have to be either sniper main or blind to not notice how broken Sniper is

[@susragejr477]

@@exploertm8738 Sniper is kinda op, but he is not THAT op

[@TitanAEX4]

I wouldn't sweat the fact it took a bit longer to get this video out, Weezy - sometimes, Real Life(TM) just likes to kick our asses. Looking forward to seeing more from you!

[@VaultInteractive]

I can't believe Weezer didn't think about the battle medic as a subclass. Yeah that actually exists. Needless (heh) to say, having a max firing speed with proper resistances and critical hits on the blutsauger spells absolute insanity on the final wave. Oh, and the small bonus of mad milk syringes building ubercharge is pretty nice too >:)

[@coobk]

actually with mad milk syringes its smarter to use the stock syringe gun, or even the overdose if you want to trade off a little damage for movement speed

[@nickrustyson8124]

@@coobk I won't even say little damage, it's basically no damage

[@pocketinfinity6733]

maybe part 3 material?

[@coobk]

@@nickrustyson8124 true 1 damage at long distance, and like 4 at max rampup

[@dziewiaty]

Needle medic is surprisingly good, true raid tanker who can hug almost every wave and replace scout for money collecting.

[@Masterhene3]

Im using a sub class of the boxing heavy i call "bodyblocking heavy". Basically i just get all of the def & health regen upgrades & go melee the bots while wearing fists of steel. The only things i havent been able to block were giant heavys with miniguns, giant pyros with flamethrowers & anything with melee. Honestly kinda fun to block a giant crit soldier while calling them a spy.

[@noppyo1606]

you madman, tell me more

[@vivelespatat2670]

Ah yes, Reinhardt from Overwatch.

[@SuchAUniqueHandle]

As soon as I heard "...attach a shovel to his shovel..." I had an idea for so many trolldier upgrades. I got 4 for right now. Explosive Shovel: 3 upgrade ticks, 250 for each. Acts like explosive headshot, but for the shovel. Rebound: 1 upgrade tick, 300 for each. Lifts you back up in the air each time you market garden. Bounceback: 1 upgrade tick, 100 for each. Sends you back the direction you jumped from, dealing no fall damage. *Canteen* \ Earthquake: 300 Credits for a charge. Sends a ton of robots in the air, dealing 500 damage. Oh yea, add a damage upgrade for the Market Gardener.

[@neptuniamarina4924]

One thing I will always give the Huntsman Sniper playstyle that I'm surprised you didn't mention is Jarate. With a normal Rifle, You have to usually abandon your post and get close to the front lines to douse a boss or a bunch of robots at once and then retreat back to your post. Which can often times be not worth it. With the Huntsman however, You're always gonna be a lot closer to the front lines. Allowing for possible the Huntsman Snipers greatest strength, Near constant support with Jarate. Mini Crits + Slow can be deceptively powerful and rolled into One Weapon its great. Sadly outclassed by Scout. But can be useful if your friend group doesn't wanna play Scout. (Tho it does let the Scout invest in damage upgrades without worrying about Support too)

[@savdol4215]

My Opinon on each of the subclasses: Pipe Demo is EXTREMELY Underrated, it's my way to play in Wave 666 since you get loads of credits to start. Max out all the upgrades & Explosive resistance with the stock stickybomb launcher. You can then build your own teleporter with 3-4 stickies to get to the front lines & shred every bot in your site with 180 damage pipes. Boxing Heavy would be better if there were some more KGB-exclusive upgrades like stunning bots on critical hits or speed boost on kill, but still pretty goos when it works Fat Scout is not good. Just not good. Just use miniguns. Huntsman sniper is....kinda alright? I guess? With the bleed and penetration, it can kinda compete with some of the low tier snipers, but still kinda a meme weapon, regardless of what funny shovel man says. Trolldier is dogshit.

[@blizzard2508-k7n]

I feel like the steak should be given more buffs, not the gloves. That way, the subclass has expanded use to all melees.

[@theshermantanker7043]

I'd absolutely love boxing heavy to be able to gib robots with an upgrade now that I think of it

[@jurajsintaj6644]

Soundsmith did straight up say multiple times to not use this in Mann up mode, but I guess people don't listen

[@PineappleSquuid]

I remember playing with him in a public game, he was such a chill and nice guys.

[@stargazersdance]

Quick question for fellow MvM players and funny man Weez. I got in my first toxic MvM lobby some time ago after playing the game for such a long time. People were saying shit like "I shoot niggas" (but hard R instead). You know, the "authentic" TF2 experience. I had Beggar's Bazooka on me with the Manthreads, which should've been Buff Banner but I forgot to switch back. But Beggar's Bazooka + Buff Banner is a solid loadout. One of the best, if I'm not mistaken. I got asked by one of my teammates why I'm using a Refill canteen. I explained that BB has an ammo issue, and that it needs Refill until I have enough points put in Ammo Cap, to just switch it out for something else. And the dude saying all that racist stuff told me these EXACT words: "Wrong answer. *buzzer noise* Just stand next to a Dispenser and unequip the weapon. Enjoy your last 8 seconds here." and they then vote kicked me. I'm left thinking that I did something wrong. When I'm pretty sure I didn't. I am more than certain that Refill is a blessing for BB in early and even late stages of MvM. With bigger clip size, and faster reload speed upgrades, it fills up your Buff Banner meter almost instantly consistently. And to take that Dispenser comment into note here, I'm not always gonna be near a Dispenser and the Dispenser is not always going to be near me. There are going to be multiple situation where I have to restock on ammo in the midst of actively trying to be on offense against the bots, and I'm going to be nowhere a Dispenser. So my question is: Am I stupid and am I missing something or are they the stupid ones? Next to the slurs and stuff ofc.

[@cowserthekhelinace]

Assholes. Ammo Canteens are perfectly fine, hell even more so WITH Ammo Capacity Upgrades. Just report them and move on.

[@davidhong1934]

Nah, according to the Beggar's Bazooka video, you're supposed to stand near a dispenser and blow your horn when you need ammo When you're the only one on a server not dropping racial slurs, you're going to be kicked no matter what

[@Slayer25235]

0:30 DemoPiper 3:20 Heavyboxingguy 5:27 Fat Scout (yea you know this subclass) 7:54 Bothunter 10:34 Trolldier (you also know him too) renamed some of these subclasses

[@NAFProjects]

How to make the Market Gardener viable: Jumping Crits If you land a critical hit, it automatically sends out a stock rocket in your direction that doesn't hurt you. This accomplishes 2 things. First, it gives you a slight AoE damage. Second, and more importantly, it allows you to chain together gardens. I think this could work. Any thoughts?

[@starmaker75]

I thought something kinda stupid for the mantreads: upgrade the stomp damage for x2 for every tick(max be x9 or x11) and/ or if get successful with a boot kill you an 5-6 seconds of being crit boost and upgrading to 15-18 seconds. That might sound broken, but given you have to kill a robot with the mantreads, you should get a powerful reward like that

[@godusopp1797]

The Market Gardener should have either a stun/slow mechanic or increased melee range The Manntreads should create an explosion upon landing, exactly like the PhD Flopper

[@theshermantanker7043]

The thing about rocket jumper gardens is that they're more meant as a skillful and flashy way to kill other human players, it's not really meant to be incredibly lethal, which is what you need in man vs machine

[@NAFProjects]

@@theshermantanker7043 You're right, but Trolldier is such a common subclass in the main game, so I think they should count in MvM.

[@Underworlder5]

@@starmaker75 i was thinking of a manntreads upgrade that increases air speed. give the trolldier more control over where he goes. if the upgrade it good enough, it could even be a viable alternative to buff banner in normal soldier play

[@Heroman3003]

"Huntsman is only projectile weapon to have penetration" Rescue Ranger engineer in tears

[@GentleMannOfHats]

obligatory comment for the algorithm(TM)

[@king0fweird]

"An arrow to that knee jerk reaction" You sir should be awarded

[@deannavandeventer4279]

I love Soundsmith's videos to death but it's always painful when someone takes his videos that seriously

[@jurajsintaj6644]

Like Yeah it's Surprisingly good compared to what you would expect, not better than normal sniper

[@somegalnamedseelpit3713]

Fun fact: while discussing about global weapon rebalances for potato.tf's upcoming Halloween tour, I held a vote among the judges for the Huntsman's damage bonus fix to be universal. The response was a pretty universal "yes"...until we put it into practice, and ho boy, it's *actually* overpowered. For the uninformed: Huntsman's damage bonus only takes your "charge" damage into account, and *not* your base damage. So, instead of a max damage arrow dealing up to 240 - 120 x 2 - damage, it only deals 190 - 50 base, plus 70 x 2 for the added damage from charging it, capping at 570-damage headshots. Bumping that up to 720 ended up with Huntsman Sniper not just keeping up, but topdamaging more often than not.

[@sharpenedvolcanofragment2971]

You didn’t name Sharpened Volcano Fragment, the best class and sub-class ever

[@fnln3011]

trolldier getting an iron overdose at the garden market

[@trevorrose3769]

Hey Weezy, I was wondering if you could maybe in the future do a guide of how to complete Mecha Engine? I’ve noticed there isn’t any sort of guide at all and who better to cover it, then the king of MVM, himself! Edit: I’m looking for something hopefully in depth as opposed to: “Just make sure you have a sniper” but I know you’re not going to make it that simple because you’re good with guides!

[@cheatseychespin2792]

2:42 *glances over at the Chargin' Targe*

[@randomguy9868]

Putting crits on kill for the bottle is great for standard demoman, you can get a crit Scottish resistance by hitting a low health robots 1-2 times.

[@Jessie_Helms]

I played huntsman sniper months before SoundSmith made that video lol

[@lullabye4053]

“Let me take an arrow to that kneejerk reaction” actually brilliant wordplay

[@sazarod]

Pipe demo + shield + eyelander combo improves mobility and lets you defer resistance and speed upgrades

[@VOZmonsoon]

Loving this wordplay "The money pile is more of a money puddle." "I'll swallow that pill if it means mine are stronger." So satisfying 👌

[@ZA_VIKINGOH]

11:48 that demo felt your pain

[@AbadabaForever]

9:34 If I remember correctly, Rescue Ranger bolts also have the penetration upgrade.

[@Aussie_Axe]

Crusader's Crossbow's needles too

[@Nonluddite_Hollow]

new class, flying scout: trollger with a shotgun

[@flemons]

5:37 False, demoknight

[@GamingTopTen]

I use many of these subclasses when I'm playing on those event tours that happen every now and then and I need to complete an "intermediate" mission. Frankly, your loadout choice isn't quite as important as just playing the game well. I'd rather have a fat scout with resistances and crit canteens than a normal scout who does not.

[@jackoplanter]

You single handey brought me back into mvm and I cant thank you enough for it

[@Kacpa2]

Heavy should have minigun replacement akin to alibaba booties for demo, boosting his speed and secondary ammo pool and damage at cost of some health. Maybe combined with allowing lunchbox items equip in primary slot(or shotgun to primary). Showing up as pda slot perhaps to sort out inventoru conflicts.

[@Reversinator]

"Every day, my hatred towards the term 'influencer' grows ever more strongly," said the influencer

[@FilipV88]

Soundsmith never said everyone should use the Huntsman. He just pointed out how impressed he was with his results with it. That was a bit on the rough side from Weezy, he's got a point, but come on now.

[@jurajsintaj6644]

​@@FilipV88yep. It's surprisingly good compared to what you would expect, not better than normal sniper

[@MaxiManiaYT]

Idea for trollder “explosive stomp” this would be for the boots that I can’t spell

[@DaddyDellConagher]

Quality over quantity. Its always a joy watching your videos!

[@moltedjet2132]

Ngl I was fully expecting you to pull up sound smiths mvm trolider video for that segment

[@bombie5549-c7j]

Part 3 please. These subclass videos are so much fun to watch. Got a new sub

[@Maltrof]

Demoknight is godly in mvm i tried it myself i reccomend the zatochi it's the best weapon for mvm demoknight buy crits on kills first use bootlegger and tide turner it's better if you have a medic fully upgraded it does about 320 dmg

[@nacl4988]

OR, For Pipe demo specifically. You could run a SHIELD instead. Charge'n'targe gives a huge chunk of resistances

[@Paulunatr]

Wait, I've been playing a Demoman subclass the entire time? I always figured pill Demo was a pretty optimal way to play him. I usually drop 200 into reload speed and health on kill for the Scottish Resistance and pretty much everything else into the pipes. Burst damage/area denial in one hand, and manly DPS in the other.

[@arly803]

I think a more intersting (but probably not as good) upgrade for the huntsman than also getting exploding headshots, would be something like volley fire (+1 arrow shot per upgrade point), maybe give them a degree or two of spread or smth (except the first one obv) Then every time you let loose an arrow a handful of them fly out and do their thing with the bleed and the penetration etc. ideally while also not costing extra ammo per shot

[@jadeboi2868]

Hybridknight demo on wave 666 is fun af (Primary: Iron bomber, Secondary: tide turner, Melee: zweihander)

[@tophatstudios7721]

forgetting the most important sub-subclass of them all; the Fists of Steel Heavy

[@dansiemon5279]

That's gotta be ff7 music in the background. Its so hype

[@carbon-basedlifeform2562]

my team looking at me playing full demoknight in a round full of giants

[@raiden.real6218]

Everyone loves medic when he says "its mediccing time" then proceeded to medic all over the bots

[@byeee597]

i like playing soldier with the zatoichi because its upgrades carry over from demo and its funny seeing people confused about it

[@kerzid]

Dude I love how you write your scripts. Banger word play.

[@redspyro4750]

Ah yes, pipe demo. The only way I play demo in MVM

[@NanaKyoto]

Maybe, instead of giving The Huntsman explosive headshot, maybe give it an "Explosive Arrows" upgrade? Because in community servers that have the RTD plugin, there is an effect exclusive to Huntsman Snipers (and Crossbow Medics) that makes the arrows explode, whether it be on the ground, a wall, or another player, it will explode, so, with that in mind, the "Explosive Arrows" upgrade would allow The Sniper to deal AOE damage, even if he doesn't hit the robot's head. Though, what COULD make the "Explosive Arrows" upgrade unique is that, per tick, it increases the explosion radius and/or damage, and that radius/damage would be even higher IF The Sniper lands a headshot, so, there is some incentive there.

[@FireForged_Music]

Idea for a huntsman buff: Replace the Bleed on hit upgrade with an upgrade that increases the width (but not height) of the arrow's hitbox (or just make more arrows come out in a horizontal spread) It'd be unique, and fill in that same hole of AOE without detracting from the positives of using the huntsman (i.e. penetration)

[@amoron9247]

You know what valve should do? Add a +50% damage upgrade for the market Gardener, with 5 ticks, for 100 credits, also add like a explosive shovel upgrade, that always deals 250 damage to everything in a small radius to the robot that got gardened

[@mariustan9275]

If Valve thinks that explosive headshot doesn't make sense on arrows, (even though ninjas invented bomb arrows in the 1700s) what about always on fire arrows? Fire arrows already exist so it wouldn't be that hard. Another thing: triple arrows. 1 tick mean +1 arrow and max 3. Imagine lightning up the sky like this. Edit: I read the wiki and afterburn does the same as bleed. So what about with each tick being the same as pyro's afterburn upgrades? Or just the triple arrows thing.

[@cookiebombcasualemail5284]

You forgot the most important part about the huntsman video. Soundsmith makes videos about meme weapons all the time and he was expecting the huntsman to be bad but by the end of the video he found out his was top damaging. Now this could be a statistical inconsistency like maybe his co-op was hanging back to let him get footage but still it sent home the message to people who didn't understand mvm that this was the greatest possible pick.

[@0zymandias_666]

He also says multiple times "DO NOT do this in Mann up mode" it's not his fault some idiots went and did it anyway.

[@portalworld9880]

In this video, I personally love playing pipe demo. It also helps me with getting pipes in casual/community casual if I don’t use the arc upgrade.

[@NanaKyoto]

I suppose one subclass that could be talked about is Hybridknight, as I've tried it, and it is surprisingly viable. That, and I just think stickies are overrated.

[@cosmicfails2053]

Will say, it's funny how, in PVP The beast set for Heavy is considered the worst, most clunky set of weapons, and the fact they're in a set together is insanity because of poor synergy But In MVM It's probably a very strong contender You have the Brass Beast, good for clearing robots, both big and small, and the reduced speed isn't a drawback. Then the steak. You either use it to give Med packs to your allies, or, you can activate it to go sicko mode on the tank The steak/spirit combo gets to work because the robots can't hurt you if you position the tank between you and them, meaning all the vulnerability is nonexistent Meaning we have a Heavy that is versatile and flexible in swapping game plans of either Being a strong frontliner, or a Tank DPS machine

[@superkobster]

2:45 "but i'll swallow that pill if that means mine are stronger" ✍✍🔥🔥🔥

[@ryan_1314]

Literally read that as he said it

[@nickname5447]

"I'll swallow that pill if it means mine are stronger." Nice wordplay throughout this video tbh!

[@elistrations]

When you said Huntsman, I immediately knew what was coming after

[@milkmangreg871]

If the multiple videos about MVM weapon viability didn't give away his high tour count, whining about SoundSmith making a funny video did Seriously, you make it sound like that video was a personal attack on you and your whole family.

[@lachlanyoung5587]

This is my daily potassium intake.

[@ChatookaMusic]

I'm so glad Adam from YourMovieSucks started making TF2 content

[@starmaker75]

Really wished the huntsman and even the market had a explosion upgrade.

[@LapiTF2]

i actually prefer running a shotgun when playing heavy. simply because I can get SOME damage out if I need to swap positions. also very nice if you’re running brass beast and don’t have time to rev

[@chickenlegsmcgee9246]

always excited when he uploads

[@jackham5967]

“Have you ever thrown rocks at segulls?” -WeezyTF2 2023

[@russmastermasterofrusses7463]

Ok, I just want to say this about the Huntsman. I think it’s a fun weapon for MvM, and I don’t think it’s really a “bad” weapon. The problem is that it replaces a weapon that is generally one of the most powerful in MvM. It’s very much like MvM spy. If you wanted to be optimal, you would go another class in general, like sniper, or even Heavy to deal with giants.

[@HaydenX]

I love the Huntsman in normal PvP as I prefer projectiles to hitscan in the games I play in general. The Sniper feels so un-interactive in the base game when using anything other than the Huntsman or Classic in the primary slot and the SMGs in the secondary slot. I also don't really like the tunnel vision problem. So...my default Sniper loadout in PvP is Huntsman + Stock SMG + the melee doesn't really matter much with this loadout, but the Tribalman's Shiv is kind of funny sometimes. The Huntsman is really pretty good in PvP, as the relatively high fire rate and situational awareness while firing are both really good...and I think they make up for the hitscan infinite range thing of the other snipers, especially when pushing carts in Payload or holding spots in King of the Hill. Also...while the Jarate is definitely loaded on utility, I think the stock SMG (but not the Cleaner's Carbine) is often unfairly overlooked given its decent DPS and surprise potential.

[@lisforlol4582]

I just realized the Killer Gloves of Boxing's abbreviation is KGB 😭

[@joeyjonquantaviusjr9927]

👍

[@joeyjonquantaviusjr9927]

Also the Gloves of Running Away is the GRU

[@c0baltl1ghtn1ng]

9:38 Incorrect: The Rescue Ranger has Projectile Penetration, as well. I want to believe the Medics weapons have it, as well.

[@krowkankrax6523]

You can easily fix trolldier in MvM by making the rocket jumper knock back enemies, and giving the market gardener an aoe crits while rocket jumping upgrade

[@engineer_from_team_fortress_2]

I always play pipe demo in mvm on last waves, cuz critical hit is like damn, that's alotta damage, 540 is huge amount, someone will say that soldier is same, but remember, demo doesn't have damage penalty with distance, so even without crits he still doing insane numbers

[@nickrustyson8124]

Now there is what I like to call Tactical Trolldier, so instead of using the Rocket Jumper you use either the Airstrike, Beggar's, or the Liberty Launcher , if Airstrike you get the BASE Jumper too and just do the regular Airstrike playstyle but with a Market Gardener at the end, if Liberty Launcher, or Beggar's, secondary of your choice, and this playstyle is more about Rocket Surfing over bots rather than Market Gardening, but the end of your surf will end with a Market Garden, is it perfect, fuck no, but it is more useful than regular Trolldier

[@DookyLeighWOT]

Imagine having explosive Market Gardens. That would be fucking hilarious.

[@FridayNightStreamz]

Were you in a server of no caps 2fort? I got confused cause I saw a heavy with a banana hat

[@boomknight1015]

I like pipe demo, You can run targe and skull cutter and really mess up tanks just with autos with little money put into it. He doesn't insta die to rocket or pipe spam and doesn't have to go as hard into res meaning he can afford upgrades to his weapon and in my opinion, he flat out does damage soly but better. All you really lose out on is a banner and not a big loss. Also he can one shot medics with just 2 damage uppies on pills so he still has an edge over sollies. That's the thing, he is fighting for the solly slot, not the killing medic slot. Also if it's a demo medic, giant combo, a maxed res and skull cutter can melt the gIant medic with little risk to the demoman. Some times works on Giant sollies, giant hovies it never works on, don't try.

[@wunnup3229]

I think I might be a Chaos Elemental. My favorite MvM Subclass is Fat Scout.

[@DrDedem]

Boxing heavy should be able to use the box trot while having the boxing gloves and steak equipment

[@xavibun]

Give the Market Gardener an explosive upgrade. It would be funny.

[@Lukepuke311]

Sticky jumper demo cuz he can jump back to the fight in 3 seconds or so and if you can aim pipes you are going to do well

[@johnlemonchannel]

Another subclass: Scorch Shot Spammer = You don't want pyros bringing their gas passer? Meet its twin brother.

[@Nightmare_52]

my go to class is hybrid knight, spam pills everywhere and get some heads with eyelander for maximum resistances, speed and health i will swap to stickies if the team desperately sucks enough to need them but otherwise i frequently score higher than soldiers and a few times higher than brass beast heavy

[@IanCarter-qf4zs]

It’d be funny if the market gardener could have an upgrade to increase range and the gunboats could be upgraded to remove fall damage and to increase air velocity

[@ivandurega9336]

Its ur fault why i keep seeing players use these sub class.. I love it

[@MartySnowdog]

I always played grenade launcher demo, and use stickies as secondary for mine fields when I am not fighting

[@TGigachad-i9y]

I dont think that the huntsman is the worst sniper rifle. The reason why is because the huntsman can be usefull in different maps where there isnt a lot of uber medics.

[@AndrewDaPro]

I'd say just stick pistol becoming a full auto for engineer is good

[@Blucario90]

You should've said Rocky Balboa does more damage than John Rambo because they're both played by Sylvester Stallone