DESTROYED WWII KNIFE! - Can we restore it?

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Can we repair and restore this old world war 2 treasure? Rust removal, and replacing a leather stacked handle on this knife.
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[@kyle_noseworthy]

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[@stevejette2329]

I made two comments, hit 'reply' and they disappeared !

[@jamesbull4314]

I have an old knife here and it is in crape condition I’d like to know how much you would charge for me to send it to you to restore for me and turn it in to a video I’ll send photos

[@dexeter3033]

The second (middle) of the three steel discs rotates 90° and locks the pommel in place on the tang which has two slots on each side. Before you can do that, you have to remove the two nails that go into the leather in order to hold the outer most piece. The end of the tang is not peened over. I cringed watching this.

[@sorenlilienthal1368]

Now he knows it, but it's too late. The damage is done.

[@watcherbd45]

Dexeter,, you are correct sir. I have one just like this. I wish he had done a little more research before he ruined the authenticity of this knife. Orwell what’s done is done. He still did a good job. I love to watch his videos he always does a great job.

[@tonybletas431]

Cringed..? I was friggin’ crying!

[@AzPauly]

@@tonybletas431 100%

[@c82able]

I have no response but I agree

[@andyr8111]

@kyle It's actually Cattaraugus 225Q (not 2250). I have one on my desk as I type. I was really excited to see this video pop up! I'm going to send you an email with some pictures shortly; there are a few things that are different than original. Apparently several different companies made knives like this during WWII with KA-BAR naturally being the most famous. My grandfather was in the Merchant Marines and brought back a few interesting things. This knife was one of them. When my dad died last fall I got this knife. I fully intend to continue honor those that came before by continuing to use it.

[@GrumpyGrunt]

I knew you'd bring it back to life, Kyle. It looks like something that's been handed down a few generations already is ready for a few more. Great work, my friend! Stay well.

[@kyle_noseworthy]

Thanks Michael! I love heirloom pieces!

[@wolf001cmd]

I wager that 3 piece pommel had the middle slot rotated 90 degrees or something. so it could grab those slots on the end of the handle. Very weird.

[@MO-vr1jg]

I have two of those with sheaths, they are great knives for splitting/processing hind quarters of large game or as a survival knife that can process wood or build an emergency shelter. I am always impressed with the edge you get on your knives.

[@lordscan1047]

Hello, looks very good, but why didnt you try removing the rust with chemicals??

[@doughnutguy82]

Cattaraugus 225. to be quite honest.....you made me cry when you started beating on it with the hammer and punch.......then i watched the rest of the vid and watched how you didnt do any type of research to find out how the knife actually came apart. the restore came out looking very nice, but you butchered the tear down.

[@roygonzales3411]

I was sad as well, if those nails would have been taken out it would have came apart . Still looks great even after the mutilation ...

[@FreeAmericaChannel]

The knife is a Cattaraugus 225Q knife made for the US military quartermasters. Cattaraugus knife company was in Cattaraugus County New York. This robust knife was designed to be a heavy duty knife for opening and resealing crates. The pommel is heavy so it can be used as a hammer.

[@ADVlife287]

I’ve got a decent condition one of these with the leather sheath. It’s actually in great shape and an absolute beast of a knife compared to the Kabar

[@FreeAmericaChannel]

@@ADVlife287 It is beast for sure and considerably heavier than the Ka-Bar as well. Overall, it is one of my favorite heavy duty knives.

[@robertmoran7024]

That's a myth. People who have done considerable research show thru numbers ordered and photos etc, that, that just doesn't add up

[@FreeAmericaChannel]

@@robertmoran7024 What is a myth?

[@robertmoran7024]

@@FreeAmericaChannel That it was made for the Quartermaster Corp for opening and resealing crates, etc. It was designed and meant to be a combat utility knife in the same vein as the MK2. Someone over on Blade forums looked at the numbers, and enough were ordered that everyone in the Quartermaster Corp would have two. Other research points to the same. Also read stories of individual marines trading or otherwise acquiring them after breaking the issued mk2

[@anthonyloveys4982]

Kyle, Kye Meeks has a restoration video of the same knife from a year ago. He shows how the pummel comes apart.

[@earthknight60]

Why on earth would you grind and destroy the original knurling instead of drilling and leaving the original pommel intact?

[@dennishein2812]

I had a buddy that got one of those at a sale. The guy had old rail cars full of surplus he’d gotten over the years. The knife was brand new but completely dull. It took a long time to put an edge on it, the steel was so hard. It was years ago before I had any diamond stones. Once I finally got an edge on it the blade held its edge through several hunting seasons. When he wanted it sharpened again it would still shave some hair. Biggest problem with that knife was that once I got an edge on it and he used it he wouldn’t sell it to me.

[@jamespetrelli3729]

Kyle my father bought home the same knife from WW2 It is called a Quartermaster knife. Untoucched a bit or wear but still razor sharp I think the model is 225Q Enjoy your videos

[@theeddorian]

Yes. Supposedly it had extra thickness to open boxes and that knurled pommel was for driving small nails or clenching them.

[@typicalthrill]

Hahaha that part at 15:43 got me. Love the reaction "Welp, that's enough of that!" and moves right over to the knife. Beautiful job man. Great looking knife!

[@LM-sc8lu]

Fantastic find; one I'd give my eye teeth for!! That knife was most likely produced in the Village of Little Valley, which is the County Seat of Cattaraugus County, in Western, NY. Over the years the company was sold, went bankrupt, emerged from bankruptcy, was incor[orated into other companies, and became the roots of CutCo/KaBar cutlery in Olean, NY, and Case Knives in Bradford, Pa, a mere 20 miles south of Olean; Olean is only 35 miles from Little Valley. I'd love to find one and donate it to the County Museum.

[@joshuakelton2302]

That is a Cattaraugus 225Q combat or "Quartermaster's" knife from WWII. The rear pommel is in 3 parts on purpose. The tang is keyed and the center metal ring on the pommel is key holed. To properly disassemble, you punch out the two nails and then rotate the center disk 90°. Didn't need to be broken and welded... I've worked on one previously. Supposedly the pommel was deliberately built thick and with knurling to double as a "hammer".

[@sorenlilienthal1368]

If Kyle had known that in time, he'd had done a lot less damage to the blade tang and pommel and possibly had preserved the original knurling. Too bad, really!

[@robertmoran7024]

Cattaraugus 225Q, My platoon Sgt carried and jumped with one, I carried the same one in DS/DS, still have it. They were the best knife of WW2, despite the love affair with the MK2(kabar). If you did some research you would see how the 3 piece pommel and 2 twisted nails fit together

[@christopherjames3027]

Cattaraguas 225 Q used by the USMC, and USN. I own a few of my grandfathers, WW2 US Navy Seabee.

[@kyle_noseworthy]

Thanks for the information, Christopher! I don't usually have the time to do the research while working in the shop, but I did find that info once I came into the office. Very neat. Glad you own some from your grandfather. I'll thank you for your grandfathers service, since I can't thank him.

[@christopherjames3027]

Beautiful resto! I may send you one of mine!

[@gjordan456]

I have one also, near perfect condition, from the research i did they were isseud to marines in the South Pacific during ww11

[@mistermatt9056]

They were made in Cattaraugus NY and the Quartermasters liked them because the thick blade was useful opening wooden crates, and the flat pommel was useful in nailing them back closed. The trick with the pommel (as someone else mentioned) was to drive out the two nails, and then rotate it 90 degrees and the whole thing comes off. You did a great job restoring the knife...thanks.

[@roycolglazier1061]

Thanks for such a nice, historically correct resto. on that client's heirloom! As the son of U S Marines of WWII era (yes, mother & dad), I inherited 3 issue blades, from my dad (a career officer), ranging across that many war's vintage that I took on as fixer upper projects. Fortunately, all leather was fit for cleaning and a good soaking w/ neatsfoot oil. None were heavily rusted, so a good buffing w/ 4 ought steel wool, followed by a fine diamond "stone," then AR stone sharpening, and the lot of them are ready for another generation, handles & sheaths intact, as well as significant portions of the original Parkerizing Again, thank you as well as your client for keeping these mini-history lessons as intact, & original as possible for following generations, it's important.

[@b80-s9i]

You're a lucky one inheriting 3 of those old military blades, and sounds like they're in amazing condition..w/sheaths even!! Hopefully whoever you bless with these heirlooms..they understand & appreciate what they are! Thank you for sharing👍

[@chriss3886]

WWII Quartermaster Knife. I have one in nearly the same shape. It's my next restoration project. Great timing on this video. Watching you beat on the pommel is killing me. The pins c ok me out and the plates rotate to look with the pins keeping it together.

[@Sackmatters]

I can’t believe I didn’t get notified for this one. I’m stoked to watch a new restoration. Take care Kyle, from Alaska. Just a tip from a fellow full time welder. When you were tig welding the tang I’d suggest clamping it again closer to the break point as well so the steel doesn’t bow up or away from you, it’ll save you time and possible bends in the long run. 👍🏻

[@stephenparker1428]

I know I'm late, but OMG. he ground the knurling off the hilt...blasphemy!

[@mannihh5274]

Sorry, that's a bad example of restoring a knife. You should have taken steps to identify it first - it's a Cattaraugus 225Q and the pommel is made of 3 layers, the second one rotating 90° to hold the handle and the third one nailed into the leather with twisted nails. You just destroyed it with brute force - I stop watching at 4:00 - can't stand it! Look up "Restoring a Cattaraugus 225Q knife from WWII" by Gathering Dust

[@johnelder4273]

You should be arrested for the crime you committed on the three disk locking pommel. You actually posted a video documenting your incompetance. I wouldn't think of sending you a family heirloom after watching the ham fisted destruction of that knife. Have you ever considered doing a 20 minute internet search of a knife's construction BEFORE you break out the hammer?

[@SP_Hatter]

Wow, KZbin is your friend. Waffle gone, too bad. Had a shoulder........

[@jayhands6911]

Kyle, you clearly do nice work. How many client’s work do you take on in a year? I would imagine you have quite a backlog of such requests, along with whatever else you occupy your time with! - Jay

[@Mr.Verethron]

Wow! I have the same knife but in better condition. My grandpa gave it to me when I was 16 and I am forever grateful. Cattaraugus 225Q

[@TODinWY]

Supposedly made of 1095 @ 58-60 RC. Mine is 90% original. Sheath is crap, though

[@johnheller5786]

Great vid! A Cattaraugus quartermaster knife. Keep up the good work! By the way,where are you originally from?

[@redooz5886]

Do you like bluegrass music? From Angeline the Baker on the backround song that was played.

[@ja-bv3lq]

If that was a military-issued K-Bar it should have been parkerized or a matt-blue... either way, darn fine work, Kyle!

[@4897mike]

I just found your channel and subscribed. I have a knife very similar to that one. Best hunting knife I've ever had. I can skin grapes or a moose with it. Love that knife

[@johnfuller6338]

Kyle, that may be 225q, meaning it's a quartermasters knife, used to open ammo crates, etc, that's possibly why that tip was filled by being driven into the crates n whatever else they needed opened.

[@user-br3ou2cs9o]

Nice Job 👍 On a different note... Has anyone ever mentioned the similarity between your voice and kyle rittenhouse's voice?

[@WATTYATHINK]

Nursing a boo-boo - jammed a screwdriver tip through my palm - should have set up in the vice .. nice job on the knife - just wondering if you considered keeping the butt cap original and using a leather wrapping for the handle

[@mikereinhardt4807]

Just a note, one of those washers on the pummel is actually like a key. It gets twisted 90° to lock in the leather washers and help keep than tight. That's why the tang broke when you tried to hammer it off. Otherwise an outstanding video...

[@jtridley1234]

Oh my gosh do your homework before beating something with a hammer. You ruined it. Sorry but you lost a viewer.

[@kennethchapman8468]

That came out good. But the pommel is a 3 piece pommel your 1st piece goes on them the middle piece you put on an turn it 45 degrees that's looks the pieces on then the last one along with your 2 fasteners. Its a ww2 cattaraugus 225Q comando fighting knife. That came out good

[@stoathenge]

Nice, that a WW2 ERA CATTARAUGUS 225Q QUARTERMASTER KNIFE

[@johnjohnson643]

I am still hoping it was a bad april fools joke...... the title says destroyed...... well it is now....... no way to restore it 😞

[@DeadRider88]

dude actually said "aboot" I didn't think that was actually a thing, I thought it was just Hollywood making stuff up

[@stevenwest1494]

It's funny I just saw a KZbin shirt video, how these kind of bush knives are "useless" because he snapped one easily just by placing his hand on the blade against a block and leant on the handle and broke the tang. I guess if the user is an idiot anything becomes useless, but until then, it works!

[@mxq4k132]

That's a gorgeous and useful piece of art😍 And yes 17:47 agree 💯💯 Nice job sir 👍🎩🤝

[@wurfllukas3862]

You are horribly destroyed perfect shape of that beatiful cattaraugus you can dismatle that pommel just with hammer and anti corosion fluid this is just horrible restoration i have ever seen

[@tonybletas431]

These knives weren’t assembled with peeled pommels, the pommel itself is rotated 90 degrees locking like a rifle bolt. Nails are then driven into the leather to stop it unlocking.

[@armick57]

Why not research first before destroying historical artifacts.....

[@c.b.giornesto4581]

you are going to learn a hard lesson some day because you do not wrap a barrier around that blade. when you use power tools on the handle, the blade is your enemy. wake up.....

[@tomgrantham9992]

Another knife!! Man you need to do something else !!!🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@joehill9921]

i have a simular type of knife , it was my fathers .it butchered many animals from sheep , pigs . cows , moose.. the handle is gone also , plus an old leather sheath .. maybe some day you will restore it for me ..

[@oscarmarfori613]

I watch Arab chefs slice up a huge shawerma stack and besides it’s really nice taste it really is satisfying to watch 😇😇

[@pivotalpigeon2914]

When your buffing wheels spits out your compound that's how you judge when there's enough on the wheel.

[@jeremynedrow7003]

I was just gifted my great grandfather's Cattahargus knife and it needs restoration of the handle and blade.

[@danwhite4157]

Restoring a well used Vintage Puma white hunter would be nice to see and I don't think there is any other videos on doing so anywhere.

[@craighearn747]

A 225q quartermaster knife. The cross hatch is for it use as a hammer to close wooden crates after opening.

[@georgegordonbrown9522]

Have you done your due dilligence before "restoring" this time?

[@andrewmctavish18]

Handle trimming = suddenly craving chicken gyro

[@MRSupernova100]

Kinda weird to think about that the last time that knife looked that pretty, was when it was lost, probably in battle...

[@wreckingball8156]

I’m a new subscriber. I haven’t seen you use or mention a steel. Was curious if you use one or not and why if not. I enjoy your channel

[@Deathreploid]

You will need a sand blasting machine for rust removal, nice videos

[@williamberry509]

My dad had one of these he got as a kit. He carried it in Korea. I am the youngest of his four sons so when dad passed my oldest brother got the knife and not me. Lol but he does let me see it when I visit him. It was a great knife made out of a. Great price of steel

[@beep5013]

Hey! Have you ever looked into using chemicals to get rid of some of the rust issues before?

[@shaneharrison4775]

It a cateragus battle knife the pins are the nails and the center part is the lock of the 5 peice pummel

[@mikes1097]

I love your videos - try soaking the rusty metal in a rust remover over night before hitting it with a wire wheel or grinder.

[@kubby5189]

I've seen a few peened pommles like that I assumed they were cut and split to fill the groove as a more secure method

[@donwithyashit1473]

I suppose that’s one way to do it. I think I would have looked a bit more at those nails on either side of the tang.

[@wethepeople6642]

You should have made a fix blade knife instead of a stick tang. 💯

[@Andy3run]

sandblasting? rust remover? man idk.

[@jamesbarry6248]

cattaraugus 225Q for quartermasters knife

[@justice1327]

If at first you don’t succeed, get a bigger hammer!

[@MRLOYALTHEROYAL]

I've never seen someone use the peen end on a ball-peen hammer for actual peening work before.

[@Canadaman4403]

Outstanding truly beautiful knife restored

[@YegaSRT]

Do you ship to the UK? Really want to try and get one of your knives.

[@georgegordonbrown9522]

I reccomend a dremel tool for these penned out portions.CHeers.

[@neonin97]

Reminded me of meat stack barbacoa type food on the leather part lol

[@francissobotka8725]

The blade could of felt with a blasted finish and a nice black oxide coat

[@CarnivoreRonin]

Great job! Welding on your dad's equipment really shows that you can handle any size blade. When you were cutting the handle with a utility knife, it made me want a doner kebab/gyro/shawarma! 😂

[@db5352]

Kyle you do nice work, but this made me sad to see you snap off the pommel. Someone else had mentioned the proper way to remove it by removing the pins. I enjoy your stuff but I think you could have done better by not removing the pattern on the end of the pommel. This is not a criticism, but just my observation. Good luck, thanks.

[@anomie1040]

I never see the knife you are working on listed at your store. Why ?

[@rossst.hartley5487]

I think you forgot the ring in the middle of the handle

[@jayjones6904]

K-bar will send u leather pieces hilt pommel and pin

[@ChadMorgan709]

Like shaving off donair meat..

[@richardmcginnis5344]

must be canadian since you say aboot instead of about

[@shavelazer6711]

I have that same blade. One day I'll get it to look like that

[@richardhatt6541]

EDC knife. Working knife.

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Two thumbs way Up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tonynapoli5549]

A new lease of life nice tool Lovely handle

[@h.r.hufnstuf4171]

15:43 I do this but with my project

[@dominickcarbonara5494]

Quality work man 👍🏻

[@fontagamer7756]

9:00 you can still see a crack/gap in the tang

[@breakawaybooks4752]

On a scale from 1 to YES, how gross is that scorched leather stench?

[@kyle_noseworthy]

Haha you gotta' have your grinding belts fresh and sharp so they don't burn the leather. Otherwise, it stinks! However, not nearly as bad as any kind of antler, stagg, bone.. materials like that are sickening!

[@ramiroslof522]

I love that old knife...😉👌

[@SkylerLinux]

That hurt my soul, needed a dremel

[@christianhollars8105]

Kyle on your next video do you think you can sharpen a Katonah I would love to see you sharpen one and it would be my dream

[@doughnutguy82]

what is a katonah??

[@darcywalls1262]

Very nice job Kyle. Really liked the leather stacked handle. I’m thinking it’s all going to add up to another happy client 👍

[@kyle_noseworthy]

Thanks Darcy! Leather stack makes for such a nice warm experience when out in the cold and snowy weather

[@wildbillmiller614]

Nice job, great video

[@markusfreund6961]

12.02 Ah, gyros 😋😉

[@ROE1300]

👍 Excellent work!

[@nexus6163]

Where can I find such a knife

[@aldever4968]

While watching your video I looked it up. They were mark1 fighting knife style rejected by the army. Sold on the secondary market. The Mark 2 is the USMC variant that KaBar had the largest branding, but Camillus made the majority of.

[@lowrangeoverland9013]

outstanding❗💯🏆🥇🥇

[@MobeusIX]

I bet it was a split tail that was fed throught the pommel then spread/peened to lock it in place.

[@sorenlilienthal1368]

No. See the above posts. The middle part of the pommel could be turned 90° after the nails were removed. Then, the whole pommel could be slid off the tang without excessive force.