Weird Nintendo Gimmicks that Could Return with Switch 2 ft BeatEmUps - EP105 Kit & Krysta Podcast

[@BeatEmUps]

Thanks for having me on Besties ❤

[@izzywoods794]

awww

[@kitandkrysta]

Thank YOU!! 🥰

[@Joe-p9l]

Ugh

[@russellcunningham-yk4gr]

Wood is the reason I got back in to nintendo after 20 years of not playing.

[@2toeninja]

Wood is the reason I get up in the morning... 😜

[@CheeseHenderson]

Hearing people go "meh" to motion aiming, while expected, STILL blows my mind. Such a good addition to gaming that I hope never goes away

[@MetaPlay23]

I always used the 3D effect on the 3DS. Basically never turned it off. Games looked so amazing I am gushing over how insane that felt even to this day.

[@MarkMark]

I loved the 3D in 3DS. It made Animal Crossing extra magical. I’d love it for this “gimmick“ to come back.

[@Drstrange3000]

I was watching some 3D gaming clips in VR the other day and it is amazing how much depth 3D adds to games. For all of the push for graphics, I find it interesting how actual depth is called a gimmick when it is a LARGE component at making something look believable. Plus, if the Switch 2 had a 3D screen it would once again set itself apart from the other handhelds. I also hope the Switch 2 has improved haptics and adaptive triggers.

[@_noahrh]

Absolutely not

[@Mattriarc]

honestly when i played X & Y when it launched, it made the moves and some of the cut scenes look next level in 3D

[@RowanWolf22]

While it was fun, it was also frustrating because it made a lot of people's eyes hurt and those of us who have bad motion sickness, it was constantly triggering it lmfao. I liked it in theory but couldn't play more than 10 min with it on. And the 2ds was ugly and unpleasant to hold in hands, so I had to pay more for a 3ds where I barely used the 3D effect. I'd rather that doesn't come back, unless they drastically improve it, and I mean DRASTICALLY.

[@MrAndypong]

53:07 I agree. The word “gimmick” is such a broad term in games that people often consider any gimmick to be unnecessary. But if you removed from games all the things people call gimmicks, you’d be left with nothing but a menu screen! I love a lot of the “gimmicks” Nintendo come up with. I think the Japanese devs understanding of the word is much better than the connotations we have

[@jsan2548]

I like thinking of gimmicks in gaming like hooks in songwriting. Some little (or huge) thing that reels you in and keeps you coming back.

[@sirmel11]

I think gimmick got a bad meaning because of online people.

[@rkgkjr]

Speaking of gimmicks, I loved DS Download Play! One of my all-time favourite gaming memories is when I took my DS with me on a school trip during the height of its popularity. A bunch of my friends also brought theirs, and even though we didn't all have the same games, we could still have a blast playing Mario Kart, Cooking Mama, Big Brain Academy, etc together thanks to the magic of Download Play. Even my normally austere no-fun headmaster joined us,,, and turned out to be a scarily good at Mario Kart!? I'd love to see some iteration of that return, even though game filesizes are insanely large now, which perhaps makes it a little impractical.

[@Mattriarc]

THIS! I want this so badly... I can't remember the amount of times I had school trips and my friend had Mario Kart DS and we'd have like 6-7 people join to race while travelling, they really need to bring this back.

[@A_Dylan_of_No_Renown]

I have to correct the record on 3D. There were actually very few games which did not use 3D on 3DS, even by 3rd parties. The way you discussed that made it sound like it was just a few games and that’s it, but that was not the case at all. Only a very few titles at the very end of the system’s life did not use 3D. Also, the New 3DS had eye tacking and you did not have to be careful with holding the newer models to maintain a 3D effect. All that said, I do not really feel the feature should come back. Also, I disagree with some of what was said about HD Rumble. It is very useful for people with visual impairments to have tactile feedback on their devices. I feel we often ignore disabled people in conversations like this. And HD Rumble is not just used in Nintendo games, but a number of high-profile indie and third-party games as well, such as Hollow Knight which gives different kinds of vibrations to help the player understand when they are landing hits, having their hits blocked, or receiving damage. But it is true that HD Rumble has been very unevenly utilized in the life of the Switch, even by Nintendo themselves.

[@brianmckinley4141]

I can't belive the "Kit is always on the left" rule has been broken in this episode 😲

[@extraful1]

45:00 Can you imagine Nintendo setting up shops that are like build-a-bear but for your game consoles. That would be so wasteful but so cool.

[@cosygracegames]

Oh my gosh like designing what your switch looks like and getting all the add ons at the shop- that’d be amazing

[@MedalionDS9]

FEEL BETTER KRYSTA!

[@matthewcase6112]

I actually went back and watched videos regarding the nintendo wii such as the reveal, games, launch of it etc. The wii was such an amazing system. Like Krysta, have been thinking about Iwata a lot too. Such an amazing leader and legacy he left for the gaming industry. Miss him. ❤

[@2toeninja]

That dudes idea for wireless docking is a must.. brilliant idea

[@madnessarcade7447]

22:20 I always used to hate how uncomfortable vibration and rumble was in general but HDR is different for some reason I like the immersion and how it translates what happens in the game to the controller

[@Mattriarc]

You know what would be really nice if they brought back? The ability to player certain multiplayer games with friends if one of you have the game and being able to play that game too like they had on the DS, which would really boost the community using the Switch on the go. They could limit what the user could do or customizations in-game for the ones that don't have it, but the ability to play along with friends would definitely increase the self-image of the Switch's identity of being a more community driven console.

[@jaredmusser8414]

I would love to be a fly on the wall in a Nintendo exec meeting where they discuss their next hardware

[@Se7en2107]

An example of the PS2 pressure sensitive buttons is in Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 where you had to slowly release your finger from the gun button so as not to accidentally fire and alert enemies to your presence. It only works properly in the PS2 version because of the pressure sensitive buttons.

[@MedalionDS9]

[@PaulGaleNetwork]

Fun episode and guest segment with Wood. Feel better, Krysta!

[@RyluRocky]

53:40 They’re not wrong calling it a gimmick, we’ve just come to give it a negative connotation when it’s true meaning doesn’t have one. It’s technically just means any feature or point designed to create attention or bring focus to the experience or feature itself.

[@RyluRocky]

14:06 Absolutely not true I love my HD rumble, also how is it annoying and get in the way?

[@jdn538]

I really want better resolution, 1080p, in handheld mode!

[@elfsong713]

and 4K docked!

[@HarmonicWave]

That's honestly all I really want in a new Switch that it doesn't already have, a 1080P screen handheld along with 1080P screenshots/videos (maybe even 60 second videos). Apart from that I'm good with my OLED model for a long time.

[@techneko1610]

19:45 I'm with Kit here and 1000% want dual screens back! I still play my n2DS to this day and would love to see what kind of experiences would come from a dual screen Switch.

[@sirmel11]

That would be fantastic!

[@CoolDogsify]

Ambiios in Bayonetta 2 and Monster Hunter was the golden hour for Nintendo. If they continue with that specific format I'll continue buying them.

[@_noahrh]

I kinda hope they stay away from any “gimmicks”. The switch itself being able to go from TV mode to handheld is already such an enormous non-traditional feature, which we all love! The sort of wacky things they try to add on top of already innovative devices just feels unnecessary and distracting.

[@anonymoushuman8443]

Gimmicks inspire new experiences

[@queen-of-trash]

Boring, give me a bunch weird wacky devices that’ll only be used once and make the console more cumbersome to use. It’s more fun, we already got a billion normal consoles and a hybrid in steam deck.

[@noperopepope]

Gimmick is a buzzword in the gaming industry. People often use the word gimmick to describe features or mechanics they don't like instead of "a marketing device intended to attract attention". The argument about gimmicks gained traction when the console warriors tried to discredit the contribution of motion controls during the Wii days, and because developers failed to properly implement motion controls resulting in forced mechanics. However, hindsight is 20/20 and we know now that motion controls are capable of being used in practical ways. The point is that Nintendo doesn't dabble in gimmicks, they create features that don't always pan out, but often get revisited and perfected in later console generations. Rumble motors, motion controls, touch screens, and dual screens were all called gimmicks at one point, but they're pretty much accepted as standard features now.

[@ZLProductions]

I want that Amiibo game so bad!!!

[@Gboi8]

The 3d in the new3ds line was great. I really hope they bring back the 3d for switch 2, I used it all the time. I didn't like that later 3d games didn't use 3d.

[@madnessarcade7447]

20:32 I can see Nintendo still doing the wackiness for like additional accessories Like the ring fit controller for example

[@Zen.Connection]

You guys didn't bring up what I (and apparently Sakurai) have been thinking of: scrollwheels! It wouldn't be anything major, but I think that would be a good thing. Easy to use where it makes sense, and easy to ignore where it doesn't. From what I understand Nintendo has toyed with the idea before so it's definitely not impossible.

[@Mattriarc]

honestly, I wouldn't hate this idea... With the increase in heavy RPG's coming to switch it would really help traversing inventories in-game, or potentially making lining up shots in FPS's titles easier for people.

[@Natedog15000]

I absolutely love HD rumble. It’s genuinely immersive, and there are plenty of games that have a unique rumble cue along with a visual or audio cue that helps with clarity. It’s a feature that I hope never leaves.

[@linkgamer256]

Honestly surprised the topic of VR wasn’t really brought up. the switch form factor seems like an obvious choice for VR if they optimize the console for it (maybe extra sensors in the joy con). They could probably sell a full, high-quality headset separately to keep the price-point adorable. Would add a new way to play which is the whole point of the switch. Seems like a no-brainer to me for a console gimmick.

[@madnessarcade7447]

They did VR with labo

[@linkgamer256]

@@madnessarcade7447 well this video is all about returning gimmicks, no? the idea is basically labo vr minus the cardboard… i think it could work!

[@TreJowy]

Best Gimmick Ever: R.O.B.! I loved that little guy!

[@Mattriarc]

imagine being able to use an AR synced camera with R.O.B. to collect or fight digital projected things

[@Moshugaani]

35:42 PS2 and PS3 both had pressure sensitive buttons! I've always wanted it to come back. 😛 It does make the buttons feel softer or mushier though, so that's a drawback.

[@SPNarwhal]

Everyone seems to be against an AR Camera in the Switch 2 because they don't want gimmicky AR games but everyone needs to think BIGGER I think AR would be utilized by their Theme Parks Imagine bringing your Switch 2 to Nintendo World and being able to enhance the experience by seeing the world come to life even more This would also go hand in hand with Street Pass and bridge their offerings to make a fuller entertainment experience Now imagine being able to receive an exclusive theme or Mii outfit (DLC) by bringing your Switch to Nintendo World It can all work together ! So much potential.

[@kayh.4114]

Just want to point out the improved Motion Controls - and that Beatemups said, that nobody cares. If you look at Switch Sports, Ring Fit Aventure, Arms and other games, i think to say that nobody cares is absolutely wrong! I want it and i want it to become better! A better Switch 2 Sports game...a better Ring Fit Adventure successor and other games using advanced mation control - hell yeah!!!

[@Jobsih]

On recent years my eyesight on my right eye deteriorated to a point that the 3D effect on the 3DS just straight up doesn't work on me anymore, and I kind of miss how cool that effect was when I could see it.

[@madnessarcade7447]

49:35 Nintendo’s NSO app has their entire NSO infrastructure isn’t that basically what was mentioned but just Nintendo’s unique twist on it Very underrated app should be appreciated more it was a unique approach

[@KoolAidManOG]

Built-in AR camera is an easy addition. Cameras are cheap as hell and Nintendo has success on mobile with their Pokemon and Pikmin AR games. The Switch is also the only Nintendo console since the DSi that hasn't had a camera, so it would be an easy feature addition to differentiate the new hardware. Time to bring it back!

[@tiffanymorgan8380]

I miss Swapnote and Streetpass

[@vitolibido]

I hope they bring a built in camera in the dock like the Kinect and we can play just dance and watch replay videos

[@madnessarcade7447]

I use HDR all the time

[@MNM_1064]

I really enjoyed this, guys. I needed this video❤

[@audreyscrapaloup]

Poor Krysta. Get well soon, you're a trooper!. Thank you both for keeping me company as I work.

[@drpuffington_]

Krysta, please afford yourself a break when you're sick ❤ you deserve time away when you're feeling unwell and we would all understand 😊

[@EPS5000]

Did you know that the original version of the first Street Fighter game in the arcade had a pressure sensitive buttons? A soft push was a weak punch/kick and a hard press was a hard punch/kick. A later revision replaced the two pressure sensitive buttons with 4 buttons, so weak and hard were separate buttons.

[@WallMeat89]

Weren’t those the punch pads?

[@EPS5000]

@@WallMeat89 They were big buttons, one blue and the other red that were raised upward, on the arcade machine. What do you mean by "punch pad"

[@WallMeat89]

@@EPS5000 ah yeah, those were punch pads (probably not the official name but that’s what I always heard them called). They were rubber pads that you punched and they hardly ever worked because people beat the hell out of them.

[@vigridwitch]

1:28:42 Krysta you gotta try out metal gear solid! I played all the games for the first time in 2022 and I fell in love with the series.

[@racheldegelbeck3707]

The biggest news of the episode - no cavities!? Is that genetic, or just detailed tooth care? Kit needs to do a mini-sode with his routine and products! 😂

[@markieman64]

It feels like the only people who really knew about the PS2 button pressure options were the people who tried to play one of the few games which supported it with a Playstation 1 dual shock controller, which would normally work fine for PS2 games. The Matrix game was one I seem to remember needing a PS2 controller to play. I'd also be kind of disappointed if they went for digital as opposed to analogue triggers again.

[@soccerz222]

That being said, nearly every “pro” version of controllers (Xbox, PlayStation, and even modded gamecube controllers) add a feature that puts in trigger stops and eliminate travel time. If we go through all this effort to remove them, why not just remove them from the start? I personally have never found an analogue trigger to be more useful than a quick button but I’d love to be surprised.

[@markieman64]

@@soccerz222 They are a dream in racing games. The Switch isn't able to have analogue controllers, so even if they were made for the system, it couldn't use them. There is a work around where you can use GameCube controllers with an adaptor, for games like Super Mario Sunshine (on 3d all-stars), but that isn't exactly handy.

[@soccerz222]

@@markieman64 as someone who played through the whole game on switch with a switch pro controller, and played the whole game growing up with a gamecube controller (100% everything), I noticed about no difference in my gameplay experience.

[@soccerz222]

Idk for me having analogue triggers is actually a detriment to the controller and I hope they don’t add them. I understand many might not share this sentiment.

[@markieman64]

@@soccerz222 The controls to fire water had to be changed for the digital triggers when it came to the Switch.

[@madnessarcade7447]

51:42 after the mario movie Mario run has doubled in downloads so that’s not entirely true

[@theteeman]

Great episode! Feel better soon Krysta! Hopefully the new Switch console will have a nice gimmick just like the older Nintendo consoles had (DS, Wii, 3DS). That's the first I heard about Fortune Street in a long time.

[@elfsong713]

I played Final Fantasy 7 remake for the first time last month, never having played the OG or any Final Fantasy game, and I almost immediately became obsessed with it. I am so hyped for the next game and I'm glad I don't have to wait years for it. Loved the demo!

[@Haymdahl]

Two slidable 3D touchscreens to make Nintendo Switch Online compatible to 3DS software would be so awesome.

[@cosygracegames]

Ahh Krysta I hope you feel better! You guys still delivered an amazing convo! Loved chatting abt all the gimmicks with wood~ Been playing new leaf on the ds again lately and there’s something 10x more cozy about that system and the two screens I have to say, definitely turn off that 3d part though 😂 I wouldn’t mind another device like that!

[@matthewcase6112]

Feel better, Krysta ❤

[@RuuyG]

Bit off topic: one of the biggest wishes I have for my life this year, is that you're wrong about Mario Kart being the launch title. This would kill my hype for launch. Mario Kart is not a good launch day game, it's too casual, and as Reggie wrote in his book, Nintendo is very aware that it's the most hardcore fans who are early adopters. They need a big adventure with lots of content, a 3D Mario.

[@luigigamer333]

Alright here's my 2 cents. I think with rumors now that the next Nintendo console won't launch till March 2025, I think that Nintendo is listening to all of the community ideas before finalizing when to include in the final product. They are using your content to gauge people's interest in different features. I personally think they should have all of the streetpass and community based features on a mobile app that acts as a 2nd screen for your Switch 2 and that way you can carry it with you everywhere and don't have to worry about carrying a bulky console on you at all times.

[@chrismueller1328]

I wonder if they'll work with VR

[@RyanT07]

Feel better Krysta! And I’m not used to seeing Krysta on the left 😆

[@Z3ROR]

At the second screen: What if it's the 2nd screen is not particular for playable reasons, but it's a small and long screen with touch controls for the OS that can be hidden by sliding down the top screen. It can be used for an ingame menu as well.

[@toonpik7]

just having more controls on the menu that pops up when you hold down the home button does the same thing and doesn't add $100 to the price

[@mikek7385]

Been waiting for this ep!! Love it!

[@MrRom92DAW]

I’m shocked a really comprehensive, modern/web connected “Wii Fit” type game never came to Switch. Wii Fit U might actually be my most played Wii U title… in fact I still wear the fit meter and boot it up every now and then to sync. I’d like to see Nintendo make a “Fit” game that synced up to the iPhone. In essence it is the fit meter we already have. HealthKit info could just carry over, Nintendo could focus more on gamifying fitness stats and less on hardware to track it.

[@madnessarcade7447]

47:17 until someone steals it which will inevitably happen

[@monritchebacero5750]

28:00 Wasted opportunity for Pokemon and Monster Rancher 1 & 2 not to have Amiibo functionality. Even Lego Mario could have its own game.

[@HarmonicWave]

Great podcast. I've heard rumors that the next Switch will have an 8 inch 1080P screen on the handheld and backwards compatibility for Switch games, and obviously more graphical power... And really, that's all I care about, along with HD Rumble! HD rumble is not an annoying gimmick that you like at first and then turn off or forget about. I actually avoid playing on the Switch Lite specially because it has no rumble at all. It's one of the best features of the Switch that I expect to be standard in all future consoles, just like standard rumble became standard after the N64.

[@madnessarcade7447]

28:42 mario kart home circuit: am i a joke to u

[@luigigamer333]

Hey guys you have to turn down the volume on the music during the Superstars and Patreon members shoutouts. It is way too loud and you can't hear the names!

[@DGFTardin]

I could tell Krysta wasn't great by the way she said "today..." Hope you are doing better!

[@iacobus4227]

I think you guys might want to switch to an end scroll for all your members. The list is getting crazy big.

[@stevem3997]

I'm surprised hall effect sticks didn't come up. I think it's something that everyone wants as standard since drift has been such a big problem.

[@kitandkrysta]

Functional sticks are more than a gimmick!!

[@stevem3997]

That's true. Hopefully they'll be on Switch 2 as well. Do you think it would be likely if they did include it?

[@NERDmNERDf]

Me and my girlfriend literally play Fortune Street at least once a month. Had no idea Kit had a hand in it!

[@slapbass9125]

I'd love to see 3D come back. I know I'm in the minority, and it never will. But it's something I'd like. I still love 3DS

[@madnessarcade7447]

I think last time we got a partner showcase we got a full direct a month later

[@vitolibido]

Remove the yoycons and use touchscreen for on the go.. it makes it easier to put in your pocket and go

[@stevenzacharakis]

I miss streetpass garden. We need a bonsai collecting RPG game!

[@jennifersherman4897]

The problem with "gimmick," is that it's directly used in Japanese (ギミック). Japanese developers probably assume that, because the word comes from English, the meaning they use it with is the same in English, but it's not. The word has quite different usage in English than Japanese.

[@Jazziefay16]

I used the 3d even if it did give me a headache from playing all day lol. I really miss it!! Makes me want to pull out my 3ds and play something

[@DanielMonteiro87]

"The original metal gear game, ON THE NES" This man is not allowed to enter the Church of Kojima.

[@RyluRocky]

9:50 Said Dumbldore with his wired ear buds.

[@WallMeat89]

Anyone else feel like Wood is slightly condescending towards Krysta throughout this?

[@bababooei]

no 🤨

[@kamuilasia5813]

I did get that vibe

[@enriquepinero707]

I really hope the patents about the device being able to stream or communicate with smart phones, tablets and other device; which allow for multiplayer with people who don't even have a Switch 2; is a real thing they implement. I would gladly continue to pay for NSO (which as of now; I don't care to) IF this feature was tied behind it; rather than pay walling a bunch of retro games that they should instead sell me.

[@codysmith1534]

It would be cool to see the mobile apps interact with the console games. Like with the GBA and GameCube.

[@madnessarcade7447]

39:03 PlayStation has taken a lot of trademark Nintendo stuff tho

[@madnessarcade7447]

46:15 u may not doesn’t mean society doesn’t Blue ocean strategy remember

[@matthewcase6112]

Maybe switch 2 will gave cameras built in? Maybe the return of AR games could be cool. Miss spotpass and streetpass . Would love that to return.

[@sirmel11]

You guys should have Celia on! That would be cool!

[@thecooki3guru438]

A street pass system need to come back just so i can experience the hype of playing a Dragon Quest IX remaster and trade grotto maps with people i pass in shopping centers

[@madnessarcade7447]

39:16 Sony takes from Nintendo all the time yet if Nintendo did it once it would be a problem So true yet so infuriating hypocrisy is annoying HD rumble was a trademark Nintendo thing they did it first

[@metroids224]

If you buy FF7 Rebirth digitally, you get the PS5 version of Remake with the Intergrade/Yuffie dlc for free. Intergrade is exclusive to the PS5 version of Remake.

[@samwalker8893]

Combine amibo, mario kart AND home circuit so you can physically race your amibo mario kart on switch 2

[@MaisieSqueak]

I am utterly baffled by this fixation of Touch as a primary method of control. It's so incredibly vague and unresponsive. Sticks and buttons please!!

[@andyburner]

I am a huge 3d fan. I played my games maxed out. Also have a 3d tv and a big 3d movie collection. It's a german thing.

[@madnessarcade7447]

I prefer the word idea to gimmick

[@DaysOfOId]

I happen to dig HD rumble fr, and i honestly think that the Switch 2 WILL DEF have it. if you dont want it for some reason, turn it off.

[@CanadianChick811]

You didn't take that pic of Wood in the thumbnail from his video about Krysta kicking him off the ambassador program did you?! LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

[@ai8772]

Didnt the gamecube also had sensitive buttons?🤔

[@sirmel11]

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe will already effect the next game and games beyond it. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has a huge amount of tracks and if 9 doesn't get DLC, it will be judged forever for that.

[@codysmith1534]

I want a GPU in the dock to upscale graphics in TV mode.

[@tomsimmons7673]

"Switch 2 delayed to early 2025." Nintendo Partner Showcase 2.21.24.

[@philliprose8988]

Get well soon, Krysta.

[@jonathand827]

Woah, the quality took a drop, ya’ll should of used Nontendo podcast cameras, great podcast though 😅

[@SALARIER]

Scratch and sniff i dunno how but do it!