Well There's Your Problem | Episode 4: Hyatt Regency Walkway Collapse

[@nathancadaman]

Ugh. Pronouns. Liberal snowflake SJEs.

[@josiahsweinhagen3240]

Thank you Nathan, very cool

[@Reddsoldier]

Facts don't care about your feelings, Nathan.

[@awsismail7171]

Social Justice Engies

[@LoneWolf343]

dat five seconds of "Did he misspell SJW?" tho

[@IceNineOcean]

Red, mad, and nude, furiously whining about "le sjws" online

[@MLB9000]

The irony of giving the acoustic engineer the worst microphone was not lost on me

[@VeggieRice]

she brought it to the party, & that's the real cryptid

[@EmyrDerfel]

She's an acoustic engineer, Judas, she's not professionally amplified.

[@nuwintimidates]

I fast fwd a few mins, listened then fast fwd again, then gave up. As much as the subject intrigues me, I'm out.

[@cayenneshepherd2847]

I'm a structural engineer, so I can confirm that the "How a building is designed and built" segment from 3:12 to 17:15 is... all *disturbingly* accurate. All that absurdity and blue-streak swearing is 100% an accurate picture of what the building construction process is like. I need a drink.

[@KirillTheBeast]

yeah... my ex is a structure engineer and she gave me essentially the same rundown. Lost almost all my respect for architects at that point. Some of the horror stories she told me contained some of my favourite quotes from her, such as "this motherfucker probably thinks Adamantium is a thing", "there isn't, nor will there ever be a 3D printer large enough to make this bullshit... except maybe Paul Bunyan's bull friend?", "...this is like trying to fit a size 30 parking garage inbetween the size 24 foundation pillars of a size 42 office building... motherfucker should be dressing up fashion models instead of city skylines" and "See? This is why I'm positive this Alex Whateverthefuck is a woman, because a man would have at least heard of having a code". This woman was adamant in that if architects didn't exist, about half of the world's problems would go away. "Sure, everything would look like commie blocs, but we'd have dams, roads, bridges, tunnels and housing for pennies, and they'd actually WORK! Besides, we gotta create jobs for all those graffiti artists..." is an actual quote that I can't get out of my head xD

[@ennisskalski719]

slide: P on nut me: *immature giggling*

[@YavinArba]

ROFL

[@eloisemason]

Imagine meeting you here! Hey, Ennis.

[@bigmouthprick5852]

**snickers from the back of the class**

[@n.l.g.6401]

Justin's resigned sigh every time he has to drag the gang back from their absolutely buckwild tangents is a Big D&D Mood. (hi katie love ur blog)

[@dylanchouinard6141]

A WTYP dnd campaign would be amazing

[@n.l.g.6401]

@@dylanchouinard6141 One word: Groverdungeon.

[@dylanchouinard6141]

@@n.l.g.6401 Just Fire golems ripping off plastic cladding and chucking the molten balls at the party

[@n.l.g.6401]

@@dylanchouinard6141 load-bearing gelatinous cubes

[@dylanchouinard6141]

@@n.l.g.6401 Justin: Wizard Liam: Barbarian Alice: Cleric (either oath of devotion or common man)

[@jalexanderbill]

FYI, Tea Dances were originally your average post-brunch singles dance social, but were adopted by the LGBTQ communities of the 40's and onward as a discreet way to dance with a preferred partner without getting arrested.

[@dwc1964]

that makes this extra-sad

[@abandonedchannel281]

:(

[@jalexanderbill]

@@dwc1964 I tried to find confirmation of this particular dance being LGBTQ-centric but came up empty (not too surprising, secrecy and all). that said, there is written record of the LGBTQ community in KC at the time and tea dances are confirmed as part of it, albeit at more specifically inclusive establishments. surprising that there's not more written on the topic. if confirmed as an LGBTQ event, it's a tragedy on the level of the Orlando shooting (albeit due to a different, less targeted form of violence).

[@dwc1964]

@@jalexanderbill I'm not up for doing the research, but if I were, I'd look to the LGBT press at & just after the time of the event.

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

J Alexander Bill I saw another documentary about this and I know there was at least one gay couple present.

[@embasorangiratina36]

It wouldn't have collapsed if it was made of high strength steel and had more unions.

[@BazaarGamer]

Those were load bearing unions.

[@NeighborSenpai]

However it would still leak

[@eloisemason]

Frozen Kebab As Frank Lloyd Wright said, of course it leaks, that’s how you can tell it’s a roof.

[@KKEM641]

It would not have collapsed if they had built it as designed and not taken a short cut.

[@andrewtaylor940]

@@KKEM641 Yes and no. The problem was one of fabricating the critical components needed for the original design. It wasn’t real feasible. In order to make the single rod’s that supported both walkway it would have required that the entire length of the 5 or 6 story support rods be threaded, in order to allow the support nuts midway down the rod. This was extremely difficult to manufacture, and all but impossible to transport without damaging the threads at some point along its length, thus making it useless. The fabrication company called and said “k’know we can’t really make it this way”. This is the point where the Engineers should have stepped back and re-examined the problem. Instead someone said “just cut it in half and just thread a foot of each end.”. Sticking to the original design was impossible because it required parts or elements that weren’t possible. At that point they should have started over instead of trying to simply wing it on the fly.

[@fortooate194]

this podcast always gives me dwarf fortress vibes "the great well flood disaster of year 19"

[@musclecat1005]

"The Second Great Tantrum Spiral of 127"

[@djmarusik]

‘A podcast with slides about engineering disasters’ is a good tagline

[@TheBodgybrothers]

A slidecast

[@AlexDeLarge1]

Glow Pt II bro

[@GelidGanef]

So is "Do the fuckin math" tho

[@johnobrian566]

CSB rifftrax when tho

[@Whammytap]

Привет Маруся!

[@johnconnolly716]

25:12 the reason they made you communicate over the phone instead of email is liability. I work in accounting and the lawyers at my firm say you should communicate over the phone with things bc if you're wrong and the client ends up losing money or underpaying etc. there isnt a paper trail to lead it back to you. Sucks and pretty deceptive, probably more dangerous for engineers ...

[@dwc1964]

I'm a word processor at a law firm that handles, among other things, commercial real estate, but only on the property transfer side of things (honestly there is nothing interesting to read on this job shoot me now), so on the one hand I'm not directly familiar with that, and on the other hand I can totally see it. On the other other hand, that kind of advice itself has to be given "off the record" because it's blatantly illegal and any lawyer proven to have given such advice would be subject to being disbarred, if not prosecuted. (As far as I, *not a lawyer* , am given to understand from the legal stuff I've read as I've typed it over the past way-too-many years.)

[@johnconnolly716]

​@@dwc1964 i don't think it was explicitly said this way, but it was the implication that any advising should be done over the phone unless it's a formal statement etc.

[@sleatersan]

Different field, but I was a store manager up until a few months ago, and my higher-ups at corporate were always trying to discourage me from communicating via email for this exact reason. I doubled down on it once I realized why. I do not miss that job, I gotta say.

[@Arashi441]

I work customer service in the loan servicing business and same. I handle emails for forms, payment histories, and stuff, but we are supposed to be as brief as possible so people call the reps at the call center and all calls are recorded.

[@johnconnolly716]

@@sleatersan solidarity

[@Mickulty]

Speaking as a northern english person: pacer's aren't "rusty". They're made from aluminium and wood. How dare you. Not rusting is literally the one thing they have going for them. They do rot though.

[@sunyavadin]

^FACT^

[@postoctobrist]

but what if we monetized the rot

[@donoteat01]

and also the rot were actual rot from wood

[@sunyavadin]

I dunno, I think it's generous to call what those benches on them are made out of "wood"... It's like, some kind of chipboard?

[@alstorer]

the chassis (and bogies, wheels, etc) are steel. It's the bodywork that's aluminium

[@WingsStrings]

My favorite thing about 11 Foot 8 is when you watch an hour of it and you realize a disproportionately high amount of wrecks are of the same exact type of Penske 2-axle moving truck and you begin to seriously wonder if the local rental fleet just farms out the trucks as fodder to unsuspecting people to fuck with them and rake in the damage fees.

[@francistheodorecatte]

Wings & Strings most of the rental truck companies around durham explicitly warn renters about the gregson street railroad bridge and any damage caused by hitting it will not be covered by the collision insurance. that hasn't really slowed the canopenings

[@Huntracony]

@@francistheodorecatte I feel like it, in addition to the new-ish warning system, has slowed the can openings, but it definitely hasn't stopped them.

[@Marc83Aus]

DOn't forget Ryder.

[@Huntracony]

Apparently they're currently raising it to a 12'4" bridge...

[@CopenhagenRayne]

@@Huntracony yes, and for some reason a local boxtruck rental firm decided to buy Dadadadduu Taller boxtrucks fewer hits but the dang bridge gets hit within a few months of being raised

[@chaosof99]

You know that you're hearing a good discussion about architecture and engineering when Junji Ito's name comes up.

[@boheyo]

Not to mention Groverhaus.

[@tangledfish]

The suspension in this episode was a real killer.

[@pjlusk7774]

boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@embasorangiratina36]

*throws tomato*

[@f4Rl34ng3Igrl]

Oh god dammit

[@cranktherider4302]

🥁

[@claymorexl]

I think that fell a bit flat.

[@norgtube]

"i wanna make the gamers mad here" LMAOOOOO

[@minivergur]

Gamers, rise up

[@Phineas_Freak]

gamer more like gaymer amirite

[@Avrysatos]

All depends on the gamer. My side of twitch twitter posts our pronouns in our info. The whiny brats who get upset deserve to have their entire lives ruined or whatever getting so ridiculously over dramatic about things that do not touch their lives really.

[@jukebox_heroperson3994]

If you wanna be an epic gamer you must oppress minorities. Change my mind.

[@Brooklyn-Manhattan]

@@jukebox_heroperson3994 Nazbol gang?

[@quarbarian2]

Was anyone else hoping he would say “that’s a load bearing sticker” after saying put it back at 58:38

[@jadefalcon001]

If you peel it all the way off the boat sinks!

[@jamessears8907]

We are forever one week away from the Tacoma narrows bridge podcast.

[@William-Morey-Baker]

Hope not... It's really interesting...

[@MeetDannyWilson]

It's a youtube regulation... If you talk about engineering disasters, you have to mention the Tacoma Narrow Bridge. The people expect it.

[@Marc83Aus]

Nah, next week for sure.

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

@@MeetDannyWilson It's right up there with Phoenix, AZ in terms of mocking God.

[@devinfaux6987]

A year later, and this is the most consistent part of the podcast.

[@thespiderdork391]

Alice's fear of simultaneous building collapse/drowning via fire suppression system has an easy preventative solution: before anyone enters a building, they have to put on a snorkel

[@Phineas_Freak]

So if you look at the slide in 4:40, my dad is part of the engineer part of the process (facade planning). Some fancy architecture studio in Cologne or Hamburg sends him and his colleagues a good looking but almost impossible to actually build plan of an Office building and my dad then has to make the impossible possible with a very tight dead line. And that month after month with stagnating and insultingly low wages but more and more contracts. It went to a point where he was so overworked that he got Depression and stress-related heart problems and now he is going to quit this profession that he used to love. So on the one hand fuck architects and their ego and on the other hand when you hear "productivity goes up and wages stagnate" it has a real Impact on a lot of people and makes everyones life shittier.

[@minivergur]

Capitalism ruins everything man

[@allgodsnomasters2822]

capitalism sucks

[@1121494]

And you rather prefer customer service than that? Speaking about it. Can I get more than just half my paid 1&1 Bandwith please?

[@Phineas_Freak]

@@1121494 God dammit I need to change that name. I called myself that when 1&1 poops were all the rage in german YT and I was 14

[@teslashark]

Capitalism! But they don't let him spend.

[@ClaudiaNW]

It's ironic in retrospect that Justin thought this episode had run too long at 1 hour. How little they knew about what was to come.

[@Rand0m0bs3ss10ns]

and how little they knew what Kyle would do when given the chance to talk about something he loves...

[@kittyprydex]

The Titanic episodes which were longer than the actual time it took for the Titanic to sink.

[@ColonelTacki]

"Pancake" is a hell of a verb, I gotta say.

[@GoodStarfish]

Noun? Edit: real pioneer hours out here

[@dwc1964]

Yes, I don't know of any other word that, as a noun, is so wholesomely and incontrovertibly good, and as a verb is so horrifying. (As someone who lived in Oakland during the 1989 earthquake, see Cypress Freeway.)

[@Calpsotoma]

"Rolling Stock-Holm Syndrome"

[@sophiehaskins9791]

Wait is the Tacoma Narrows being “next episode” a running gag now

[@sleatersan]

My wife and I have been joking about this, and I'm so amused to learn we might be right

[@William-Morey-Baker]

I hope they actually do it at some point...

[@Brooklyn-Manhattan]

@@William-Morey-Baker They won't.

[@klaasje1113]

I'm so excited to never listen to this episode

[@TheAramil]

I too only just clued in. Oops.

[@randythetool]

gamers don't deserve rights

[@nescius2]

if you exclude anyone from having some right, its no longer right, but privilege.

[@MetallicMutalisk]

truly the most oppressed minority... gamers rise up

[@deeznoots6241]

Martin Name sorry but Gamers are not people

[@Calpsotoma]

What about socialist gamers?

[@randythetool]

@@Calpsotoma socialist gamers are still gamers

[@johnconnolly716]

The tree wont be harmed if the lorax is armed lmao

[@GrifterE]

“.... everything else is just a sparkling apartment.”

[@soupalex]

if you get a bunch of guys to hit an I-beam with hammers and you don't have a building at the end of the day… it's because you didn't use HIGH STRENGTH steel to make the beam

[@SamM1]

Minor request - can you pass a quick normalise over the audio? A few points the audio went from mumbles to shouting volume and it wasn't fun with headphones :(

[@axelnils]

Sam M Now I’m no audio engineer, but I’m pretty sure normalization wouldn’t help with that. What they would need would be some slight compression.

[@DonOblivious]

@@axelnils Yup. Probably more than "slight" compression though. I used to run a hardware compressor between my computer and speakers for stuff like this (RNC 1773), but none of them work anymore and it's a damn shame.

[@mattgcn]

Run everything through CN Levelator, which is a miracle tool that levels dynamically throughout an entire piece of audio. It's good!

[@demorgenstern7680]

DonOblivious l

[@williamchamberlain2263]

I love that Kate objects to dancing on the basis that it induces structural vibrations.

[@son0of0the0beast]

Listening to this podcast while studying for an exam on engineering ethics. That's basically double the studying

[@danieldelcarlo9795]

I'm a practacing structural designer in California and do mainly residential structures. I've been in that hotel recently. This was really interesting. I spent about twenty years as a carpenter and contractor before going to engineering school. While in school I worked at the school's structural testing laboratory and destroyed thousands of structural assemblies. There is nothing like building with the material and assemblies you design and then see it put to the test. If nothing else it helps to slightly illuminate Dr AR Dykes observation that: "Engineering is the art of modelling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess, in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance."

[@engibear6392]

*You guys got Kate Wagner? Her TED Talk is one of my favorite ones ever. It has greatly improved my ability to hurl insults at the shitty suburban real estate meta and its monstrous spawn.*

[@frrascon]

Her is the only good TED talk

[@engibear6392]

@@frrascon *There are some others. I highly recommend the one where they document the development process of a powered flight suit a la Iron Man. It's not only really cool, but also extremely unique as both a TED Talk and an engineering video.*

[@DonOblivious]

Kate Wagner is amazing and I hope they can get her to come back as a regular!

[@sampagano205]

As a truck driver, I really enjoy the fact that other people laugh at videos of my stress nightmares.

[@forestine_]

"Bureaucracy is the real cryptid" - Kate Wagner

[@Mentisia]

"koolhaas" means "cabbage hare" in Dutch Source: I'm Dutch

[@Calpsotoma]

MY CABBAGES!

[@MrJimheeren]

be careful Alice really hates the Dutch

[@notarabbit1752]

the special eye rolling vitriol from donoteat when he says "client"

[@nathaniellindner313]

@CommandoDude Honestly his description about the client missed the part where they visit some building a week before or after the final build permit is stamped and have some great new ideas to add to the project.

[@cindytepper8878]

MothMan was seen sitting on the jib of one of the tower cranes at the Hard Rock

[@gazeboist4535]

You forgot the punchline to that West Wing scene. Donna or whichever character is talking to him watches the navy guy's demo and listens to his explanation and then goes "Did you just smash a $400 ash tray?" And he just goes "Shit."

[@Velcera]

"It was made for me, but went through a series of revisions" is very broadly applicable life sentiment

[@Ingestedbanjo]

2:28 There's something very disconcerting about hearing how a *revolving* restaurant is in "full swing".

[@nortonxvii]

when I was a kid in the late 80s/early 90s they used to take us on field trips to the Regency I had no idea why, all I was thinking is "whoooa raaad this restaurant TURNS", but looking back I'm p sure it was for PR reasons- 'look how safe it is, people let schoolchildren here now'

[@Jetsetlemming]

This was very funny but not quite enough to distract me from the very good point about the trauma of those rescue workers having to use chainsaws on people to try to save them. Fucking Christ. That's gonna haunt me all day.

[@sleatersan]

There's a big part of me that hopes they never do an episode on the Rana Plaza collapse, because while there was some comically bad engineering in play, I know way too many graphic details about the rescue efforts, and there's no way it'll make me anything but upset.

[@afkaqualls]

"Design-build" is how permitting gets skipped (I.e. immense pressure is put on municipal permitting/planning departments because "reasons", like money, and "it's designed that way because it is"). Having worked as an municipal urban designer (read, beauracrat with a design degree) they actually *do* say "building codes are restricting my design creativity."

[@ArninoStorm]

Juni Ito architecture is a new concept of fear.

[@manputty933]

My grandpa used to be a structural engineer, and he constantly ranted about this disaster. His unhinged diatribes were actually what got me into engineering in the first place. Rest in peace Gramps.

[@dreamkast0r]

Feeling extremely blessed to have stumbled upon a leftist engineering podcast

[@jalexanderbill]

Please do an episode on Groverhaus. I see you teasing it with the vinyl siding comment, Alice.

[@henrycurtis3652]

"Crushed to hear of your loss"--Hallmark card for the event

[@Packbat]

My university built a building with a huge atrium with skywalks while I was there in the 2000s, actually. The first time it rained after the building was opened, there was a bucket in the middle of the lobby in the curve of the spiral staircase to catch the drip from a leak.

[@8ctopus0000]

Yeah I feel like this is common? Times Square in Hong Kong and Google's London office at St. Pancras are two examples (and I know little about architecture)

[@nielsdanielbuch9022]

Of course the Hyatt regency walkway collapsed, it wasn't engineered by I. K. Brunel, that's the answer to every bridge collapse.

[@LP-qf6ue]

Alice's joke about compressing bodies made me die. You all are great at explaining complex ideas to idiots like me. Love the series 👍

[@lc1565]

The recent collapse at the Hard Rock construction site in New Orleans with the subsequent botched demolition of the cranes would be an interesting example of a current engineering disaster.

[@SymphonicPoet]

Wish I had more thumbs up I could give you. "Do the math." "I'm sorry for everything I've ever said." "Crimes against TERFs aren't crimes." "I ended up watching an hour's worth of trucks crashing into that low bridge." . . . And you do actual engineering, architecture, and . . . trains! Steam locomotives spewing glorious smoke and water vapor into the atmosphere in the quest to pull more and more stuff in a more awesome way. You have discovered my life! You need free music? Call me sometime. And keep up the awesome!

[@Zizzily]

My grandfather used to be an architectural engineer for several large contracting firms, and this podcast really reminded me of talking to him about work. He used to say that his job was to take what the architect came up with, make sure it could stand, could be done for the amount the client could afford, and could be built in the time-frame required. (And quite a bit more ruder things.) I just wanted to say I've really been enjoying these. I'm familiar with all of the engineering disasters you've covered, but it's been interesting hearing about it from a different viewpoint and sometimes with tidbits I wasn't aware of. I look forward to many more of these in the future!

[@NB-gx3gr]

Kate laughs exactly like my aunt that lives in DC

[@notabagel]

this is an awesome comment thank you

[@m8sonmiller]

Trans rights

[@Nicolai0Nerland]

Are Human Rigths

[@slaughterround643]

lmao that sticker bit at the end is the ferry equivalent of taking the mask off the crook at the end of an episode of Scooby Doo

[@Arkangel630]

It was a load-bearing sticker, a day later the entire thing split into two due to their tampering with it.

[@Marc83Aus]

Not sure the significance of Super fast ferries.

[@danruffolo8155]

The "See Also" section for the Wikipedia page for "Tea Dance" is Tea Party Tea (Meal) Hyatt Regency Walkway Collapse

[@SaberTail]

5:30 - Ham radio rules for pronouns. Must declare them every 10 minutes.

[@Le_Petit_Lapin]

Damn, Trash Future is hilarious, thanks for linking to that.

[@rokksula4082]

As someone who lives on an Island, I have to go with “Ferries = Good”. In particular: “Walk on ferries = More Good”.

[@Tysto]

19:42 “If you want to impress me, build a building that will reach to heaven itself & unite every spoken language.” “They also can’t do that.” “No. But if they did, it still would leak.” 🤣

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Pretty sure the ISS exists, and I've never heard of it leaking.

[@Lalfy]

I find it amazing that this disaster isn't more well known. I mean 114 died. I learned about it by browsing a list on Wikipedia a few years ago.

[@denryuu3]

gonna be honest, the pronoun thing makes me a lootttt more comfortable with you all

[@katiepatrick425]

O now I have found the stash of episodes missing from the WTYP channel Katie~ she/her my TBI is healing nicely, thank you

[@coreygolphenee9633]

My favorite part of architecture discussions is when it always devolves into "no thats the other famous guy that did the circles."

[@Nick-si5qv]

OSHA just released their investigative report of the FIU pedestrian bridge collapse that happened in March of 2018. Could make an interesting episode! www.osha.gov/doc/engineering/pdf/2019_r_03.pdf Edit: also shoutout to York PA, the hellhole where I spent the first 18 years of my life!

[@SeiShinjitsuShi]

As a subcontractor, this is a good show, but all of your levels being so off is driving me insane.

[@Robert0Pirie]

Love y'all! Also, I will forever stan McMansion Hell.

[@Astromancerguy]

Love the running Tacoma Narrows Bridge joke. I teach it every year in physics, so I get it.

[@TheSchmuck2]

A+ pronoun declaring. I appreciate this very much. :)

[@GoodStarfish]

... A- Lol

[@natsrome]

Is the joke just that every week you say you're doing tacoma narrows and then... don't? Either way I look forward to maybe or maybe not learning about tacoma narrows, or whatever you happen to cover haha.

[@herrerasauro7429]

Amazing crossover

[@Argascend]

Floor good fall bad? Habitation good mcmansion bad. Pronouns good gamers bad. Aaaaand, I guess, car bad train good.

[@n.l.g.6401]

hell yeh babey

[@DoYouReadSutterCane]

It's interesting to note that this was the 2nd major building collapse in Kansas City within 2 years. The roof of Kemper Arena had collapsed 2 years earlier in June of 1979

[@quira4429]

state of Colorado uses a crimper as well.

[@jrb_sland5066]

In British Columbia we call them seals, I'm guessing because the embossed paper looks a bit like the impression a seal ring makes in hot sealing wax when making a [now antique] wax seal on a document. Recall the phrase "signed, sealed, delivered". Much ado about nothing - ink signatures have the same legal value. Asian 'chop's have similar intention - a stamp by an authority. Legal mumbo-jumbo, and an opportunity for the seal [crimper] manufacturer to make a buck. No longer mandatory in B.C. for private companies, thankfully. We are slowly weaning ourselves from these ceremonial relics of ancient history.

[@eldermoose7938]

This just feels like commentary on "The Fountainhead"

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Now I want to have an Ayn Rand episode. Buildings and trains.

[@Calpsotoma]

"We need to get rid of building codes. They're restricting my artistic freedom." John Galt, the Grover of his day

[@whoever6458]

That person trapped with rising waters reminds me of my first week of EMT training. We were separated into groups for a scenario and we were supposed to volunteer as the team leader. No one else in my group would do it because they had heard of the reputation of this particular guy who was doing our scenario for making people feel like idiots. Since no one else volunteered, I did. It's not like I hadn't felt like an idiot before (and it's not like I have felt like one many more times since then). The scenario was of this guy who had fallen and was impaled by a pole that was part of the construction, plus massive amounts of water was leaking and he was impaled and trapped in one of the low-lying areas. I tried to say that we needed the fire department to come and cut the pole that had impaled him because at least I knew that it's better to leave the impaled object in the patient until you can get them to the hospital for a variety of reason. But the water was rising rapidly and I didn't know what to do. According to that teacher's scenario, I killed my patient (and I never ever killed a real one while was working as an EMT, although I've definitely done some CPR and made decisions against protocol because I knew it was more likely to save a patient's life). I was sad about it, even though it was an invisible patient in a fictional scenario but I started to cry when he started talking about how all this guy's loved ones were there yelling at me because the patient died. I grew up with dudes and I got the same don't cry shit, even if mostly by proxy, but I fucking cried right there and that teacher didn't comfort me but told me that this was the reality that I would face, even if I had made the most good faith effort that I could. Even if I hadn't technically done anything wrong, they would be mad and I could even get sued. He didn't even point out the fact that human beings make mistakes but I already knew that and I gave myself 50 push-ups after my shower when I got home from work for every mistake that I made. During my training to be an EMT, I studied like lives depended on it because they did. When I studied to become a doctor, even though they wouldn't let me in, I studied exactly as hard because, even though they didn't let me in, lives have depended on me knowing what I learned and, more than once, it was even my own life. Anyway, I don't know if it's PTSD, I've had that from other things and stupidly have it now from a romantic relationship because it had been long enough since the one before it that I deluded myself into thinking that was capable of such things as an autistic and then it was also the most beautiful woman who's ever been the least bit interested in me. Now I'm just getting fucking old, getting COVID-19 last year only make me look and feel older, and I fucked these things up since I was very young so yay. At least I'm an experienced pilot of existential crises at this point.

[@joebob3719]

Put it back! That is a load bearing sticker!

[@nathancadaman]

Funny enough, I took an engineering ethics course in college that went over the Hyatt skywalk collapse. Rather sad story. Really dumb project management.

[@aksela6912]

I guess an episode on MS Estonia is coming up?

[@JohnThelin]

That's one rabbit hole I can fall down real quick, being not only a Swede, but someone who was active as a standup comic at the time, and performed on a ferry five days after the Estonia went down.

[@aksela6912]

@@JohnThelin I can imagine some nervous laughter. In Norway MS Scandinavian Star is far more well known. In 1990 it caught fire and resulted in the death of 159 people. An arsonist was suspected, but the real culprit was, similarly to MS Estonia, a complete lack of preparedness for any emergency situation. Every part of the emergency system, both technical and crew, were in a disastrously poor state.

[@dwc1964]

Okay this is something obviously famous that I don't know about. In 2011 I went to Europe on a whirlwind tour, which included a ferry from Helsinki to Tallinn. Was this before or after that? (I also took a boat from Helsinki to St. Petersburg and *that* was an experience, trying to sleep below decks with ice scraping across the hull...) But I totally fell in love with the rail system - I thought the regular intercity rail was "high speed" because it was so much better than anything I'd ever ridden before, and _then_ I got on the actual HSR... I am forever envious, and bitter that my country does not and apparently will never have a rail system befitting a civilized country.

[@jripule]

The Estonia disaster was in 1994. If I recall correctly, it was like this clip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZ6YoquQosR9p68 except of course not comedy and a passenger ship instead of an oil tanker.

[@aksela6912]

@@dwc1964 MS Estonia was in 1994. I'm not aware of any Scandinavian ferry disasters resulting in loss of life since Sleipner in 1999, though if anyone knows more I'd like to hear.

[@YavinArba]

Dunno if there's a lot of info in English on it (but I'm willing to translate) but the Versailles Ballroom disaster in Israel is super interesting and created new regulations in its aftermath.

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Versailles: what you name it when people are gonna die.

[@Zombiewski]

Two t-shirt ideas for ya: "Do the Math" and "Car Bad. Train Good."

[@cheybat5390]

"every building site is just an extended Wil E Coyote Cartoon" I felt this in my soul

[@son0of0the0beast]

The interior looks like the inside of something in fallout 4

[@kingemocut]

clearly the tea dance is a kind of break dancing.

[@splooie02]

it's where you t-pose while dancing

[@abandonedchannel281]

Must have break danced too hard

[@captainmcpants]

The final move in the routine is called the “pancake”

[@authoranonymous8892]

Fun fact about the "people who cause catastrophes end up teaching ethics courses" is that Andrew Fastow, the former CFO of Enron, now gives lectures on business ethics.

[@boogiemcsploogie]

Lefty engineering show? Be still my beating heart!

[@Fab4Sunrises]

The glorious weaponized pronoun checks 🎉🎉🎉

[@ashleyelgin9808]

"I want to make the gamers mad" lol

[@wormskeleton]

30:40 let's see Paul Allen's zoning permit

[@potayto-potahto881]

Here from the Not Just Bikes crossover. I grew up near Kansas City. Can confirm a few things. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing worthwhile to do in Kansas City (and the highways are horrible). Also, everyone within like a 350-mile radius goes to Kansas City, because as shit as it is, it's the best thing around. All hate directed Kansas' and Missouri's way is 100% deserved.

[@potayto-potahto881]

Also, everyone in Kansas City is a cryptid.

[@Derlaid]

Always appreciate a groverhaus mention

[@kyleleehufnagel]

I wonder when we are gonna get our first “I know you said I shouldnt but I went ahead and cut the tops off the wooden joists” reference

[@Derlaid]

@@kyleleehufnagel god that thread was amazing.

[@obliteron]

Heyyy, this is my favorite engineering disaster too! I love McMansion Hell! Also, let's go shit on BAH all day!

[@ReneKnights]

Have they had Kate back? She's great

[@SMD1999]

Bro how she literally doesn’t add anything of value.

[@ExperiMentalDon]

Sorry, Rene, but ​@@SMD1999 thinks otherwise, and apparently his opinion is fact, law, and truth.

[@SMD1999]

@@ExperiMentalDon what're you even on sir?

[@ExperiMentalDon]

@@SMD1999 I'm high on reality buddy, you should try it. Opinions are opinions. Quit stating yours like it's a fact.

[@felinecontrolled]

"When was the last time anyone has seen a building with a skywalk?" *Minneapolis Skyway System* would like a word with you.

[@TheAramil]

My school put one in a new building about 6 years back. It made me uncomfortable every time I walked by.

[@felinecontrolled]

@@TheAramil There's 11 miles of walkways in Minneapolis connecting 80 city blocks downtown. I'd rather those then the subzero winters or millions of mosquitoes and high humidity in the summers. The only time I don't like those kinds of walkways is when they have glass floors. Mall of America has a few and I avoid them.

[@TheAramil]

@@felinecontrolled Neat! The same school, to its credit, has one skywalk that connects two buildings rather than spookily circling a 4 story atrium, and has a series of partially to fully underground 'tunnels' that connect every building on campus. Likewise, it's a blessing in the winter. I'd love to see Minneapolis.

[@DonOblivious]

@@felinecontrolled Mall Of America has walkways you can **feel** moving under your feet if you stand still for a while, and they're not glass. The 3rd floor is kinda sketchy in spots.

[@felinecontrolled]

@@DonOblivious It's been at least ten years since I was there. But I do remember a few of MoA's walkways having glass bricks as part of their flooring - like something you can find at Menards. I want to say they would have been on the 2nd floor as connects for the balconies.

[@HamiltonMechanical]

Donoteat if you ever do a podcast about the manhattan project or superfund sites, hit me up! I have a strange obsession with superfund sites after growing up in one (Oak Ridge, Tennessee)

[@guard13007]

Oh great. KZbin deleted the captions on this episode. Not like I needed those. -.-

[@MLB9000]

Wonder if you guys will ever get around to Grenfell Tower?