The Budd Company and also Other Stuff

so there should be another Franklin video here but instead you get this
presidio bay will be on bsquiklehausen's channel: / bsquiklehausen
and InterurbanEra's channel:
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check out the trailer here:
• Introducing Presidio Bay
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[@Quamikaze]

NoAchievement4U says: how's the texture on the atsf car? Press Shift+Tab to reply

[@redoktopus3047]

@ 24:52

[@NCXDesigns]

Embarrassing :P - I had hoped he would edit that out. I was asking because I was working on a revision to match the domes. I had no idea he was recording lol XD

[@Quamikaze]

@@NCXDesigns boy I really hope someone got fired for that blunder

[@excitableboy7031]

@@Quamikaze *peeks out from dumpster*

[@wingbull2009]

I could listen to donoteat01 do an 80 hour reading of Tolstoy's War and Peace as long as there's a powerpoint and Minecraft gameplay in the background

[@theothertonydutch]

The minecraft gameplay bit is the cherry on the cream.

[@unusualcook]

thanks to this video I will be upping my pateron from $2 at month to $50,000 a month to help donoteat buy a train

[@c.andrew3944]

M Y L E F T Y T R A I N D A D

[@kategrant2728]

He sounds like Mr. Plinkett’s better educated brother.

[@stayphrosty]

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[@MajorBookworm100]

I'll be honest, I saw "The Budd Company" and assumed it was a video about some Elon Musk scheme to get into the Weed market.

[@Vanq22114]

That's some shit Elon would do, let's be honest.

[@marinary1326]

10/10, would learn about the vagaries of u.s. passenger rail while taking a bath again, highly recommend

[@MrJstorm4]

I would actually like to hear what Dennis Prager has to say about Bud making such good cars that they invented themselves out of business

[@onivlasbrony7432]

"Rusty trains means making profit, making profit means being rewarded by the magical hand of the free market, therefore rusty trains are *morally good* . That was Dennis Prager, defending of planned obsolescence, for Prager uNiVeRsiTy."

[@XX-lp3oi]

@@onivlasbrony7432 If its good for the shareholders, its good for society

[@onivlasbrony7432]

@@XX-lp3oi The wonders of Trickle Down Economics !

[@kentallard8852]

They needed to expand. There are whole cities and regions in the USA with little to no public transportation infrastructure: LA, Houston, Dallas, etc - prime markets for regional and interurban trains, commuter trains, metro trains, and streetcars/lightrail.

[@traaztek1996]

@@kentallard8852 LA has more rail than you might be giving it credit for, and has a lot more under construction, or eventually being constructed. Granted, there could and should still be more, but LA isn't completely devoid of public transit. San Diego on the other hand, could use A LOT more rail

[@gloverelaxis]

that gong underneath "...Springfield, Massachusetts" *absolutely* destroyed me, oh my lord

[@Julietmindset]

See's donoteat01 video: "Aw yesss" See's 48 minute length: "AW. HELL. YESSSSS"

[@stayphrosty]

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[@lyssam100]

dude, I'm happy to listen to you talk about any of your areas of interest, honestly. franklin episodes are nice but this is just as good imo.

[@stayphrosty]

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[@proyectoutopia]

I can't wait to tell the Ayn Rand fans, that an innovative railroad manufacturing company went down because the market forces discourge long term innovation and planning.

[@nohbuddy1]

All companies discourage long term innovation and planning, which is why the state is responsible for most important innovations

[@proyectoutopia]

@@nohbuddy1 Yeah, thats true, but this guy is basically what would happen to the protagonist of atlas shrugged in real life and that's funny

[@Tasurincci]

@Pentode7591 For a private Company to have the means and the foresight to develop nuclear energy, it'll basically have to be the size of a State. Apply the same reasoning to "space age science", or to anything related to sanitation and healthcare.

[@mortemmalum7228]

@@Tasurincci Are you okay? Most of our current "space-age" innovation is being done by private entities, with some government help, but there are tons of companies interested in space travel and utilization. All modern computer science and AI research is done in the private sector. You have to face it that there are only two things that make someone invent new things and that's money and power, the government wants technology to beat the other guy and companies want technology to make more money or save money. Also communism sucks, it has and never will succeed because of greed and power hunger people(which is also the reason that capitalism can suck at times too).

[@Tasurincci]

@@mortemmalum7228 the trailblazers of all that technology were the US military, Nasa the Raf, British intelligence, and other Nacional bodies who issued the requirements and the funding, microchips, metametarials, lithography, rocketscience, nuclear energy, even nowdays private space agencies / aerospace depend on public contracts.

[@TF_Tony]

"All the passengers drowned, and that's not very good..."

[@sethread8978]

I was gonna go to sleep, but I can stay awake to watch donoteat any time

[@EWCello]

“communism is really just education” -Dennis Prager, apparently

[@uasj2]

I love hearing you “rambling through history” (aka “rumbling through history”)! No objection at all to any aspect of your “poor pacing”! I did have some trouble with your accent. I was puzzled by what “rot iron” was, until you put “wrought iron” on the screen and the penny dropped. In my Australian accent “rot” and “wrought” each have completely different vowels. But even this aspect of your video was intellectually engaging because I realised I had identified an instance of the linguistically famous “cot-caught merger” (see Wikipedia if you are interested). It was worth hanging around just to hear you laconically mention, “You know, 6 turnin’, 4 burnin’.” I had never heard of this aircraft! Anyway, good stuff!

[@fucktardickis]

Yeah the Peacemaker was a real piece of work at times, it often enough did more burning then turnin if you know what i mean, it was also the one that lost nuclear ordinance somewhere in British Columbia in the 1950's.

[@ChrisGlenski]

James Atlas interestingly I grew up in Minnesota and I have them as two different vowels sounds as well.

[@uasj2]

@@ChrisGlenski OK, thanks. I just simplistically thought of this as uniformly "American English". I have trouble distinguishing a Canadian accent from a US one, and have no clue what a Minnesota accent sounds like.

[@thermiter36]

The cot-caught merger varies widely across the US, actually, and sometimes has very little correlation with the region a speaker is from

[@justinsummers8788]

You've gotten me all pumped about locomotives and infrastructure and I have nothing to out this newfound passion towards. Help, what do I do with this train excitement

[@fishewife]

t r a i n b a s e d c o m m u n i s m

[@slimjim1982]

become a NUMTOT on facebook

[@dukctape]

buy models and construct the ideal railroad world run by the proletariat =)

[@stayphrosty]

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[@Vanq22114]

Go fistfight the director of your local transit authority (do not do this)

[@Huntracony]

I knew that Minecraft house would catch fire! I'm so proud... of my Minecraft fire spreading knowledge...

[@aidanb7782]

Best channel on youtube 10/10

[@AaronMk91]

I really do want more trains. This passed summer I found myself in upstate New York working with the Boy Scouts, I did not drive myself there; rather my uncle dropped me off and then went on a tour of New England by himself since he was there and never been to the North East. To fast-forward, through things outside of my control the initial plans to catch a ride back with a friend who was also working at the same camp (and who in fact clued me into the fact to work there was even an option) I ended up taking the train. That was perhaps the easiest and comfiest thing I ever did travel wise. It's the sort of thing that's made the idea of rail more visceral since starting to watch the channel and I've started wondering what might be done with rail in my area to improve the travel experience, or even the parking experience in town since in the evening it's impossible to find a parking space in town and I'm starting to wonder if the down-town railway could be re-purposed as a passenger light rail to help bring people in and out of town because fuck them and especially fuck their cars. Go get drunk at the brewery and go home via train, let up the pressure on the roads a bit.

[@l-l]

I’m not even into Transport Fever nor a big train nerd, but this is so fascinating. The history and importance that this company had is amazing.

[@birchofacookie]

it's always weird when someone mentions springfield considering even people in the state dont give a shit about us

[@chaosof99]

I would so love to hear a review of the series Chernobyl from you.

[@alexanderhinman4454]

Buddy the metallurgy in this has quite a few errors. Cast iron has ~ the same amount of impurities (we're talking silicon really) in it as wrought, and historically steel could have similar amounts as well. You see a range of purity in all those materials. Weapons or tools don't need to be explicitly high quality to have steel in them, as you basically can't get a functional chisel or sword or pickaxe without steel. Cast iron is not made at a finery forge, and pig iron *is* a type of cast iron, just in ingot form. High carbon steel also has a *higher* tensile yield strength than a mild steel or wrought iron with only a slightly lower modulus of elasticity. That's why suspension cables are made of medium - high carbon steel. It's only when you harden HC steel through quenching that it becomes brittle. Mild steel is used because it's significantly cheaper and good enough for the parts it's used in. I'm thinking of plain carbon steels here just to make things easy because stuff like A36 is so inconsistent that it's hard to speak about its properties in general terms, and there is such a range of spring and tool steels that their properties are also too varied.

[@victorpalamar8769]

The Esquimalt--Nanaimo Railway (CPR) still uses the Budd self-propelled passenger coach.

[@1nown]

The RDC design is probably one of the most influential designs in global modern rail history, given how many were licensed and exported globally as well as derivative designs countries either ordered/licensed or built themselves. Sadly, all the ones in my part of Australia were scrapped at the same time as a local design intended to replace them. However, there are elements of Budd design in various designs created by Comeng and Tulloch (the one that designed those double deck carriages you may or may not have read about as an oddity some time). To this day, there are strong limitations on what components can be used in trains here and while other nations have moved on to mostly aluminium construction, carriages are still stainless steel tanks in true Budd fashion. If you ever get enough patreon rubles to visit, maybe a tour of some 'Sputniks' is in order?

[@slaughterround643]

Good old capitalism: the only profitable product is one that's as inefficient (as a product) as possible

[@KOLN555]

"Protectionism: It works, folks." I know this jagoff named Donny who could stand to have this explained to him.

[@saedimic]

I'm just curious why the european flag was there. Isnt china/asian countries more of a competitor?

[@branchmedo]

@@saedimic Alstom, Siemens, Bombardier Transportation (parent is Canadian but that division is based in Germany), CAF, Stadler, Talgo, AnsaldoBreda (now Hitachi Rail Italy as of 2015) - all European and have built rail equipment for the US.

[@mostlyharmless6x9]

I would love to see a video about Japanese trains. I tend to watch your videos on my commute in Tokyo and it always makes me think, I know practically nothing about these things I ride every day.

[@persbaderse]

donoteat01: explaining the difference between steel, cast iron, and wrought iron me, who failed chemistry and understands nothing: omg spill the tea babe

[@whette_fahrtz]

Budd also made the "Mezzanine" cars used on Chicago's Metra commuter rail system. While the design of these cars was passed along to other manufacturers for orders made after 1987, there are still plenty of original Budd built Mezzanines in service. The 2600 series cars on the CTA are also still in use, for at least another year or so until the CRRC Sifang America 7000s are put into service on the Blue Line. Car 3200 was the last car of that series, and one of the last cars ever produced by the Budd Company/Transit America. The older 2200 series cars were only taken out of service a few years ago, after a service life of 44 years. This is all I think of when people tell me transit is too expensive to build out. It's apparently much smarter to spend $1b every few years on massive road rebuilding projects than buying train cars that last for half a century.

[@SirFloIII]

this is so different without alice interupting every second.

[@tzandels]

Well, thanks for your train dollars America! To annoy you further, we are using it for free healthcare here in Europe.

[@1121494]

I don't get though, how Bombardier as a Canadian Business should not have free Market Access to US-Railcar Procurement under NAFTA Free Trade Agreement. I get that the Bulk of their Train Business is Europe and he probably thus lumped them in under the european Manufacturers, but isn't the Company as such Canadian?

[@tzandels]

​@@1121494 I didn't actually look into it when commenting since I thought also Bombardier is European company. According to wikipedia Bombardier Transportation is the train manufacturer part of and its HQ is based in Berlin, while most of the manufacturing facilities are in Europe. While they are wholly owned by Bombardier Inc, from social/national point of view its not quite same thing to collect profits from subsidiary facilities, than to collect those profits and having the manufacturing plants in same country/continent. While profits are going over the ocean, the jobs are staying in local facilities.

[@pluveo8059]

Hearing Justin learn about the Penn Central jet scandal for the first time is a fun historical artifact.

[@FoxLunar]

I want you to have your own NPR segment

[@devinfaux6987]

Broke: Car Talk Woke: Train Talk

[@PositionLight]

The FRA only adopted the 800k rule because of lobbying from Bombardier as their LRC coach design was the only one that met the standard. This allowed them to win the Amtrak Acela Express contract and the LIRR/MNRR M7 contracts. I don't mind it because it keeps European designs out of the market as they have a long history of being unable to cope with the demands of the North American rail environment.

[@csours]

The discussion around 35 minutes about being too good will come to automobiles soon. As in now. The average age of cars in use is only going up. If cars last longer, fewer new cars will be needed.

[@branchmedo]

Yes, hence them all chasing trends and trying to play it safe with designs. Then you have stuff like Ford pulling out of almost all cars in favour of crossovers and trucks, claiming consumers don't want four-door sedans in North America. No... people want them (Accord, Camry, etc) they just don't want YOURS.

[@kentallard8852]

Comeng was privatized by the John Howard government in the 1990s, its Melbourne facilities where it manufactured trains and locomotives and trams are now owned by Bombadier. They make a variety of trains for the domestic market - but it basically locks in local sourcing and therefore jobs to Bombadier designs, anything else has to be purchased abroad.

[@noonespecial7784]

Thank you for the new video!

[@LexYeen]

Dude. I could listen to you read the phone book and be happy. Your voice is like warm honey on a subwoofer speaker cone. ...that metaphor got away from me but I think you got the idea anyhow.

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

how many speakers have you destroyed?

[@nicholasbradshaw]

@@RoamingAdhocrat Probably all of them, since they didn't hear your reply notification.

[@binarysignals9593]

Amazing video

[@norgtube]

Do you think it's fair to blame budd's superior product for their demise? Have their competitors fared better? Pullman-Standard, Rohr Industries, and the St. Louis Car Company have all either left the market or gone out of business. ACF's not making passenger stuff either.

[@kentallard8852]

"outmoded regulation" - America has stringent safety standards for its trains that turn them into veritable tanks because its railways are so dangerous and poorly maintained so if you cant avoid an accident, which is the rest of the worlds philosophy on railway safety, then you at least try to survive it.

[@anindrapratama]

When i hear INOX, i think of French Stainless Steel Passenger Cars used on TEE

[@MrJimheeren]

Such beautiful train cars

[@fuckfannyfiddlefart]

So bud went out of business because their product was too good. Tell me again how capitalism doesn't suck!

[@stopstopp]

This cohost is so much better.

[@radiobaked]

Thus burnt down Zarathustra's home

[@deeznoots6241]

Thank god I stayed awake all night

[@Dark_LoreVT]

18:07 Because when I think of telescoping.. I always immediately think of this infamous image of the telescoped Central Railroad of New Jersey coaches from the Mud Run Disaster of 1888.

[@umangmalik]

we should nationalize and revive budd

[@GretchenDawntreader]

wait, this isn't a Well There's Your Problem podcast, I am disoriented and intrigued

[@GretchenDawntreader]

is this a proto-WTYP? Did this all come from an interest in city builders and model railroading??

[@benonihiggins8204]

After Budd closed the automobile parts division ( they did a lot of second run parts for Ford) a lot of what was in the plant was shipped to Buffalo. I remember getting semi trucks full of welders and everything from the cafeteria ( dishes, flatware, stainless steel prep tables). It seemed like we got everything but the big industrial machines. I have 2 bullhorns and a few 2 way radios that have “Property of Budd” On them.

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

Blast furnaces were actually developed far earlier, possibly as fas back as the 4th century BCE. There are records of large monsoon wind powered furnaces in South India from before 300BCE. Infact when Alexander the Great went to India, he took tribute in form of high quality steel in form of weapons & armour when he couldn't get gold or silver. Check wootz steel & Damascus steel for details.

[@mirmalchik]

loved the straight delivery of blast furnace history over minecraft footage of a furnace burning your house down with zombies outside but don't you mean malleability when you discuss bending, whereas ductility would be the ability to draw it out into a wire?

[@awesomelyshorticles]

Regardless of your instructions, iwilleat anyway.

[@brock9380]

When I was 10 my parents and I did the grueling 2.5 day trip from Chicago to San Fransisco and took it back. Those Dome Cars are the only thing that kept the passengers from murder. Really brought me back seeing them again.

[@nozero1]

Fun fact about the Bridge of Tay was that it was a subject of a poem by William McGonagall; a guy widely considered to be the worst poet of all time. McGonagall was truly the Tommy Wiseau of his era, capable of passionately producing incredible works of incompetence, which people would enjoy ironically and then hire him to attend readings, so that they could laugh their asses off at his sincere attempts to inspire. "The Tay Bridge Disaster" is perhaps his best known: www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45828/the-tay-bridge-disaster

[@snigwithasword1284]

We should be throwing highways and big dump pickup trucks in the drink to make some artificial reefs.

[@kentallard8852]

Gotta object: if you don't have high speed signalling you cant do high speed operations, it is simply dangerous. But this is the thing about Americas lack of railway investment, rather than provide that signalling the FRA left it up to operators. Same goes for the train weights. You either fix the railways or you make the trains tougher.

[@johnnymckenzie5991]

When I saw the first Tay Bridge appear on my screen there I about shat a brick. I'm from Dundee and at my first year of uni (for a software engineering degree) we spent a semester going over the engineering principles learned from that disaster. I know far too much about that whole incident. If you're ever in the area, hmu, we can get a pint and talk bridges hehe

[@priestpilot]

I'm not sure if anyone clarified this yet, but the only remaining Budd Car in service with VIA Rail is in Northern Ontario. You can see a few videos of it on my channel!

[@Attoparsec]

They did have to add some wrought iron straps to Iron Bridge at some point. But I'm so happy that not only the first metal bridge is still in existence, it's absolutely gorgeous to boot.

[@devinfaux6987]

Y'know, I used to always wonder what the deal was with the Zephyr trainsets. From a modern perspective they didn't seem overly remarkable. This really helped me understand.

[@GeorgeMerl]

25:43 foreshadowing

[@phelan1201]

As a power engineer I look forward to some sort of... Ben Shapiro Doesnt Understand Electric Transmission and Distribution video, I hope. Or at least a clickbait review of the wholly inadequate electrical systems used in various city builder sims

[@Token_Nerd]

The RDC runs on the sudbury-White river line in Ontario thrice weekly.

[@comethiburs2326]

i find fascinating that 1907 designs with concrete floors were still operating 70+ years later in the US of A. it sounds insane to me.

[@jamma246]

I have an urge. An urge for metal-urgey. Wait, what?

[@socdoneleft]

37:00 funny -- can't produce a product that doesn't need replacement, or you'll lose to the intentionally shit products

[@joyg2526]

Loved your video! Now I want to hear more about the Budd company!

[@anindrapratama]

There’s also Soreframe, a Portuguese rail manufacturer. they made Stainless steel passenger cars and even stainless steel electric locos

[@TiagoJoaoSilva]

anindra pratama And if you looked closely (before the recent renovations), you could see small plaques on Sorefame's trains saying "Built under license from the BUDD Company"

[@janosmarothy5409]

Train man bad

[@literallysquidward7170]

as someone not from America I do admire your videos and your ideas. cheers.

[@CSXT17]

One correction to meake in this video is that the New York Central achieved the M-497 record in Crestline. The Central did have a mainline through Crestline, but the speed record was on the LS&MS/Water Level Route, on a 67-mile long straight section between Butler, IN and Stryker, OH. Fantastic video as usual, just me being nitpciky, lol.

[@BillyMartin4Life]

Speaking of the Budd company, I will miss the R-32 cars when the MTA replaces them in the near future.

[@r2dezki]

I don't mind the rambling train grandpa.

[@devinfaux6987]

(who is actually in his 20s) (I know I couldn't believe it either)

[@Huntracony]

Actually, in Minecraft gold tools are faster than diamond, but because of their extremely low durability they are rarely used. Which is a shame, if only they made gold able to mine obsidian or increased the durability to be similar to iron, I think it would be a much more interesting choice.

[@eldermoose7938]

I really which there was a channel that talked about aircraft and rockets like you do trains.

[@isaakao1]

Trains are awesome.

[@GarethDennisTV]

11:10 GG1!

[@gregpatton]

first

[@adammfontenot]

I don't know anything about trains, but I've always thought these Pennsylvania cars 11:53 were some of the most beautiful railcars ever built.

[@timosha21]

I'm a train and I approve this video... Choo choo!

[@imaginarygamers268]

i love learning about trains

[@AdolphusOfBlood]

I like videoes like this so I don't mind at all.

[@ReidMerrill]

25:40 foreshadowing

[@evilsorosfundedgovernments433]

You deserve 100x the views you are getting right now. Good job!

[@flameoguy]

I came here to be mad about not having a Franklin episode. I stayed because trains.

[@xtremecheeseproblem]

wait did they really use concrete for the floors 12:52 ?

[@wabell234]

Anything else would rot or rust. Imagine falling through a railcar floor.

[@BabbleCacophony]

Does any one really mind getting prager u ads? I find them funny and watching them as an ad supports creators I like.

[@charlieborsos7321]

What was Budd's relationship with labor?

[@himbourbanist]

Budd don't break baby. We all know those Amfleets are still going to be in service in 2040 lmao. It's fascinating and hilarious that under Capitalism, a product being too good can be the manufacturer's undoing. Truly Capitalism is the driver of innovation lmfao

[@295g295]

27:27 - I think there are some Budd-built cars running on PATCO (Philadelphia-New Jersey) in service since 1969 and 1980 (rebuilt).

[@malcolmking752]

Please never make your videos shorter. I love that you dive so deeply into things, it’s what makes your channel so great and what sets you apart from a whole bunch of informational channels that upload underwhelming surface level content.

[@TransItAuthority]

Woooooo Springfield MA Represent... please help

[@ianwells5414]

Watching this on a PATCO car lol

[@drewgenel5185]

PATCO > SEPTA. Don’t @ me

[@josephheston9238]

@@drewgenel5185 Exactly. PATCO was smart to get their entire Budd and Vickers fleet rebuilt whilst SEPTA scrapped the Almond Joys and got the crappy Adtrash (excuse me, Adtranz) cars.

[@wabell234]

@@josephheston9238 SEPTA seems to excel at making the worst decisions possible when it involves rail. The Rt.15 PCC car refurbishment says it all. How do you rebuild a trolley and make something worse than the old vehicle, and worse than anything you could buy new at a higher cost?

[@Pseudoscorpion14]

Bigger than before.

[@augustzeidman4443]

You are consistently one of my absolute favorite youtube channels. I can't think of anybody else who is so consistently well researched, knowledgeable, and such high quality content. I always get excited when I see a new video!

[@Tysto]

I’ve long wondered why trains are so much heavier than, say, buses, which seems inefficient. This answered that question, even tho the answer is dumb.

[@silenius19]

Small trucks suck

[@chaseman113]

I spent a lot of time Conducting & Brakeman on both a Budd Big Dome and partial converted Pullman Car Dome. The Big Dome did NOT feel 60 years old. All the original stuff was in great shape. It felt it shoulda been on the mainline going 80+mph and we were a twisty uphill 5-10 mph logging/fruit railroad with great views. The other partial done , I personally ripped 3 of the 4 side grab handles sorta loose while switching on the converted sheeted Pullman. Repairs involved crudely cutting out stainless in search of solid mounts. We also did a pretty good job in sealing the dome. I spent way too long polishing the water scale outside/inside of the dome windows. I’m glad I discovered your channel through “there’s your problem”