Well This Is Embarrassing... Fixing Mistakes and Upgrading... Already

[@JohnHeisz]

Sometimes I rush into a project and the results are less than optimal. The first clue is that I make more mistakes than I usually do and that's due to a lack of detail planning. The second is I don't build-in the features I originally thought of because my overall confidence in the project was low while building it (and making so many mistakes). Most of the stuff you'll see on KZbin is made to look flawless and work perfectly the first time. Reality is that video is magical in that you can make an otherwise failed project look successful. I won't say my miter guide was a complete failure, but it wasn't what I pictured it would be when I first started designing it. I guess the lesson with this one is to have more respect for the design stage of the project, rather than taking the attitude that I can "fix it on the fly" when problems crop up. I can fix it, but it leads to a sub-optimal result and tarnishes my desire to use it. The upgrade to indexed angles and rebuilding and reconfiguring the stop make this a worthy addition to my shop and a tool I'll be proud to say I made.

[@martinsvensson6884]

Sometimes its hard to think of everything in the design phase. A "prototype" makes it easier to see how everything works in real life. Often there are small things you didn't really think of until you actually use it.

[@MRrwmac]

Nothing to be embarrased about. Actually glad you came back to tell us how you and we could make it better! Thanks!

[@benaloney]

Iteration is how the best products are made👌

[@indisputablefacts8507]

I bet you're not done refining this thing. Or at least I hope you're not. Things like this are never perfect after just a couple of iterations. I've got a feeling you're going to add another patch of sandpaper out further to keep long pieces from being just that little bit off. You might consider a fine-adjustment mechanism for the stop - lots of high-end miters do that, although I don't know that I personally don't recall ever having a crucial application for that feature. Might also consider a length tape.

[@mikewelch3903]

Remember what we engineering students in college say, “Successful people never make mistakes. Only prototypes.”

[@n8sot]

love the spline on the stopblock......great idea!!!!

[@Stakman1]

I realize compared to some of your other tool builds this one is quite small, but its one of my favorites. Thanks for sharing.

[@marshallalwin6062]

Almost any designer will tell you that most of the knowledge is gained through several prototypes. There is always room for some improvement. Great job on the miter gauge

[@JOSEPH-vs2gc]

yup, Iterating makes life 100 times easier. Perfectionism is sorta like a creative noose really, unless its the last 5% of the project which requires you to be perfect.

[@sportsman1824]

It's always a pleasure watching your videos.

[@cafecybernz]

Awesome video! Often the 'fixing my mistakes' and 'project improvements' ones are the best. You clearly mentioned what you were trying to achieve at the beginning, before explaining how you did it in details, while providing very useful tips on how to measure 22.5 and 45 degree angles. Fantastic!

[@skippylippy547]

Nice improvement to an already great build John. Love it.

[@GregsGarage]

Good upgrades John!

[@JB-fh1bb]

I have two major precision-related pain points: 1. The stop block. Since the clamping part of the block is now very close to the top of the “fence” it creates a pivot point and any pressure against the bottom of the block is at a mechanical advantage vs the clamp. I’m validated that you noticed this also and came up with a potential solution for keeping the bottom parallel, but I don’t think it’s enough especially since there’s a strong instinct to snug up against the stop block and apply some force during repeated cuts 2. The sandpaper (and tape) make a difference in “fence” profile that could affect any wood piece that’s longer than the sandpaper Thank you for this channel. I’m “complaining” about tiny details because of how much respect I already have for your shop, the tools you created, and the precision you have in your methods.

[@JohnHeisz]

A great reality check for your pain points would be to build it and then you'll be able to see first hand whether the problems you think are an issue are actually issues at all. I can tell you they aren't, but I get the feeling you won't believe me.

[@JB-fh1bb]

@@JohnHeiszYou're right that I usually need someone to go in to deep detail (or test it myself) before I can agree with them saying it's fine, but not in this case. You have more experience in woodworking precision and clearly care about it in the ways that I do. I trust your word. Thanks for the reply

[@jeffshelton77]

Your my favorite woodworker!

[@akarlska]

Great video, but you don’t need the funky music. Your voice, and the tools, is all we need ❤️

[@sapelesteve]

Nicely done John! There's always room for improvement! 👍👍

[@pjmazar4533]

If all you did was to put a bolt in a hole it would be hard to make a mistake. I love to fabricate new things in wood or metal, and I have definitely made some mistakes. I believe being able to repair a mistake is where the real talent lies. Keep up the good work and thanks for some great videos.

[@_J.F_]

That is a great looking mitre fence and I like the sandpaper to hold stock firmly against the fence. How big a difference the folding part of the fence will ever make I don't know but I love the concept of it.

[@darcybentley810]

Would the hole for the drill bit wear out after a while and change the angle.

[@KipdoesStuff]

it would take A LOT of wear or extreme abuse to change the angle.

[@russellwheeler2760]

Nice little upgrade tweaks. I've got a suggestion...a tape measure along the top for your stop block so you know how long you're cutting?

[@qapla]

Nice improvements. I often find myself tweaking jigs and tools I make.

[@DennisMathias]

Kind of interesting that we seem to be moving away from sleds to this miter. Very cool.

[@robertjones6649]

Just what I am looking for. I can’t seem to find the plans for this on your website.

[@Ro-ni7nm]

A chippy that owns a vernier caliper is ok in my books, like you my fingers also like to live dangerously(forstnerbit) Keep up the good work John!

[@davestinyworkshop]

Awesome upgrades!

[@rossmckenzie2283]

One more improvement John might be a measuring tape along the top edge.

[@kennethnielsen3864]

Thanks for sharing.

[@MCsCreations]

Really nice work, John! 😃 But yeah, it's through the mistakes that we learn! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 And happy holidays!

[@GenoLoma]

Interesting that you chose to use fine sand paper and not a thin rubber, or cork sheet for the grip in the fence.. Would like to get a review of this build in a few months if you could John.. Cheers 👍

[@Gus0046]

Buen trabajo muy bien hecho 👍

[@edmundandrada]

Amazing build! :)

[@stephenbezanson4633]

I have yet to find a steel framing square that is actually “square.”. Yup, I know how to adjust them with a center punch to get them “close” but keep in mind that they are designed for framing which only needs to be somewhat close; but not precisely square… I have several (yes - expensive) squares that I trust but my framing squares are not in that group…

[@tomdenny8507]

Nicely done.

[@rafvdp6391]

That where not mistakes but ’’ upgrades or refinaments ’’ 😀. The sandpaper is going on mine . I always try to clamp my piece on it but when I don’t or can’t it always moves when it's super important to be exact ,of course never when it's not that critical . So thanks for the ” upgrade ” 👍

[@nerop]

John, shouldn't you run the sandpaper along the length of the fence? Otherwise you either dont have any support on the bare parts (if holding workpiece against sandpaper) or your piece is going to rock on the edge of the sandpaper (if holding workpiece against bare)

[@54mgtf22]

Great work 👍

[@banditva8040]

Any plans for this guide.

[@davipip]

Nice touch to have a place for every loose bit Every homeless needs shelter

[@barry.w.christie]

Sometimes you only realise something is wrong when you start using it ... I try to 3D model most of my projects as it allows me to play about with different approaches to a problem, sorting out any issues before I start making anything ... doesn't always work though, sometimes you just need to make it 👍

[@MASI_forging]

How awesome 😍😍

[@rickkinney1249]

good video thanx rick

[@rafezetter8003]

The only way to see what needs to be "better" is to make the first one. I'm already starting my THIRD bench build and I didnt finish the 1st or 2nd one.

[@ahmed_mounir]

good job ❤

[@EitriBrokkr]

They were not mistakes. Its called Research and Development. I know multi billion dollar accompanies that have had products out for decades that won't update obvious oversights.

[@dannydodge7191]

I love your videos. I’ve picked up lots of tips and tricks from your ideas over the years. But, all your videos seem a little rushed lately. I start hearing your new closing music sometimes it seems right after the video starts.

[@bascodelagamma]

👍

[@talltimberswoodshop7552]

Look out, Woodpecker!

[@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter]

Now it's just time to upgrade to a hi-vis framing square lol

[@timothybaker8234]

I guess I don’t see the point of making it fold. It really does not save much space.

[@KipdoesStuff]

build it and use if for a few months, you will get it.