Well There's Your Problem | Newsbrief: The Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapse

usually we don't do current events but this hit close to home. let's hope we don't have to do too many more of these
please stop calling it "The Baltimore Bridge" thanks
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[@marinary1326]

If you really think about it, the whole podcast is God Damn News, just with variable levels of lateness

[@excrubulent]

It's fuzzy, but I think there's definitely a line where news stops being news. I'd say that's implied by the name "news".

[@MySerpentine]

At some point it becomes olds.

[@michimatsch5862]

​@@excrubulent so what do you propose they are afterwards? Olds? Have you ever heard someone call something olds?

[@alexc8461]

Whoooaaaaaaa

[@excrubulent]

@@michimatsch5862 I mean someone already proposed that, but I like to call it "theirstory". Yes, I said "theirstory". I will accept my Nobel Peace Prize now, thank you.

[@andyetstillmore]

I would pay top dollar for an "Everyone Has A Right To Leave The Jobsite Safely And Intact" shirt and/or hoodie.

[@TheProblem2025]

This is gonna make this like when the Australian Bureau of Statistics put out an April Fools page of merch about loving statistics, and all the stats nerds flooded in. I’m gonna screen print myself an Everyone Has a Right to Leave the Jobsite Safely and Intact” shirt

[@camillesemaan7325]

Seconding this

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@TheProblem2025- I love a good statistic

[@JammyD2579]

I would keep this shirt in my drawer, so every time I suited up in Ovies to go into the site proper, I could wear this underneath and leave the Ovies open

[@princesssshortie]

Top dollar? In this economy? Best I can do is middle dollar.

[@NyanyiC]

As a black Zimbabwean who is also a migrant, I really appreciate your non-racist and human approach to these issues - life first then race, ethnicity, religion, migration status, political leaning etc and all these other things later. Also, thank you November/Alice for the Rhodesia episode - it was one of the first I listened to😊

[@Gryphyxius]

Life should always come first. We're all just people.

[@massnavii]

@@Gryphyxius Nailed it!

[@ynraider]

@@Gryphyxius And those Reparations is when Life REALLY STARTS for Black peoples...

[@janetphillips2875]

Its the Blue party that keeps stirring the pot, by pointing fingers at the white folk and telling them theyre the problem, by one old pastey white man.

[@robotniqueee]

Welcome to the podcast fam! Remember safety third!

[@jimbrown5091]

I'm a black, HBCU-educated, retired mechanical engineer with family in Baltimore...the news around this incident hit home for me in a major way. I've spent most of the last couple of weeks explaining to laymen why "bridge fall down" and why DEI didn't destroy Boeing or Harvard or bridge or 'murica. 😐

[@joeyj6808]

Truly sucks that you or anyone has to do that in 2024. (AD)

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Thank you for your service.

[@danielle3064]

I can't believe how much bull crap like that I saw online then I remembered what Elon did to Twitter so I assumed the worst voices are being amplified... I had the app deleted but redownload it for news like this only to be enundated with complete brain rot. It is disgusting like we are in Idiocracy. I didn't know ppl were using DEI as basically a code word now. Thank you for educating these people but I feel bad it even has to be done

[@danielle3064]

I don't mean to say that it's only Twitter or only the worst people btw. It's just I was unaware of how bad it was

[@Low-KeyLawnGuy]

DEI in and of itself is racist bullshit and is destroying America

[@Wojtek36762]

When Liam said “watch your future wife black out and eat all the pasta and then wake up in the morning and ask why there’s no pasta,” I felt that

[@HamburgerTime209]

Whoa quickest we’ve ever seen a Goddamn News become an episode

[@Randomstuffs261]

*a Goddam episode

[@firestarter1888]

​@@Randomstuffs261a goddamn grammar nazi

[@firestarter1888]

​@@Randomstuffs261a goddamn grammar nazi

[@firestarter1888]

​@@Randomstuffs261a goddamn grammar nazi

[@jaysea5939]

I thought it was gonna be some short "yeah we *know*", I wasn't expecting a full episode

[@craiglindecamp9589]

Baltimorean here (or baltimoron), it’s absolutely heartbreaking every day coming down into the tunnels and looking over and it’s just gone

[@valk5045]

Yes, can understand that. I even felt that way when the powerplant next to my city (Nijmegen) was demolished, and I hated that thing. And a (big) bridge is a true landmark and a thing of beauty. Also it must suck for traffic and travel.

[@willmiles7978]

Justin going straight to "Yes, We Have No Bananas" and the Columbo "Just one more thing" reference further reinforces he's an old man with a fake ID.

[@GaldirEonai]

Justin has always seemed like one of those guys who are born crotchety to me.

[@thomasdjonesn]

Just keeping the old farts like me engaged 😅

[@swiftlymurmurs]

Would you guys maybe consider doing an episode on the Bijlmer? It's the neighbourhood of Amsterdam that was supposed to be the most advanced "city of the future", only to collapse entirely, become the city's nastiest and least safe area, and then have an Israeli Boeing flight crash into it killing at least 43 people. It's a mess and a half and a really fascinating look into the failures of urban development

[@thecocktailguys9608]

I watched a doc on here about this literally the other day, I'll try and find it in my history

[@thecocktailguys9608]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXvWpmqKq5KZiLs

[@Fullchristainname]

Of course it was Boeing

[@swiftlymurmurs]

@@thecocktailguys9608 I watched it as well! A very solid doc, really well made

[@ExperimentIV]

@@Fullchristainnameto be fair that happened when boeing still knew how to make planes - it happened in 1992, and boeing and mcdonnell-douglas only merged in 1997

[@jaywingate187]

I'm having an embarrassingly hard time remembering its November now, but i know it isnt Alice, so my brain splits the difference and keeps insisting "oh yeah, it must be Autumn!"

[@EmyrDerfel]

That would lead to a bunch of "Fall Down" jokes.

[@JoshSweetvale]

It's not November, it's April. :v

[@m__y-t-s]

@@EmyrDerfelRocket November, Mr Bond

[@Myrea_Rend]

Somebody wished on a monkey's paw to combine the podcast's favorite topics of Boat Go Bonk and Bridge Fall Down.

[@True_NOON]

It *_CURLED_* , and got curled more by the devil....

[@gusgablaw7375]

speaking two languages wrong is the authentic quebec experience

[@tryste_mx]

they were ultimately left extremely jealous

[@TrollOfReason]

*TABERNAC!*

[@KirillTheBeast]

I play online with a bunch of French speakers who aren't from France (Belgians, Algerians and a bunch of Canadian folks); they all say that French natives will tell you to give up on trying to speak in French with them because your French is shit, whereas Quebec folks will tell you to stop speaking French because you speak it better than them. I straight up have no first hand experience with this, but I've adopted it as a fact.

[@grandsome1]

​@@KirillTheBeastIt is false, they won't stop you from speaking French, they'll answer in English instead to practice. They'll only jump on someone who speaks English if they live here or if they're doing a service job and start in English rather than French. There's no Québécois alive that will stop someone from speaking French.

[@th3oryO]

​@@KirillTheBeasthumility from a francophone of any kind? 😂

[@user-yi3yx2fn7g]

"Ships cannot operate successfully on land" and this is why I love this podcast. This is why I subscribe.

[@leljdam3189]

my favorite part of this whole ordeal has been realizing that half of the country at this point can't see a single thing happening and not blame bill gates, judaism, vaccines, etc. i can't even take a shit in my own house without someone somewhere thinking bush did it

[@highjumpstudios2384]

Nahhh. You just don't get it. The Biden administration is so incompetent that it couldn't get out of a wet paper bag, but can also orchestrate disasters like this every day! These are not opposing statements, they do not contradict each other, never question me.

[@addadu8031]

see i just feel like people in general arent That much more crazy than they used to be, but people online are like 1,000% more crazy than they used to be, yknow a spiders georg situation

[@lemurwrench6344]

It's not half the country. It"s at best like 15%, but probably even less than that.

[@acester86]

I don't think Bush planned anything, but I think he let it happen so he had a reason to go to war in the Middle East. Just look at how fast the Patriot Act, a big comprehensive 2,000 page bill got passed. This incident appears to be just pure bad luck and insufficient imagination for disasters and infrastructure like the gang pointed out.

[@joeyj6808]

Damned globalists!

[@joedanger666]

My grandfather built this bridge as a crane op for Bethlehem Steel. I crossed it every time we went to visit him on Murray Point Rd in Dundalk. It breaks my heart to see it in the water.

[@racheleast688]

Maybe you could ask one of the contractors for a bolt as a keepsake? We take things home all the time as little memories, so they might be able to help you out.

[@Alykat0]

I think the problem was that the boat hit the bridge but I’m excited to learn more ❤

[@MrJimheeren]

Hmmm interesting. What made you think it was the big boat and not black people apparently

[@dyson9422]

What I find interesting is that the roadway just to the right of the ship which is usually in horizontal tension has separated from its vertical supporting structure. Is this the result of decades of salting the roadway or excessive vertical design tension caused by the impact of the ship breaking pin of the most stressed member and unzipping as the next vertical support failed. Was the bridge nearing its end of life? Was it a good time to fail? Why wasn't there a bridge replacement plan ready to implement before the failure?

[@EmissaryofWind]

big if true

[@TrailsVonMudder]

This hits close to home for me as well. I'm a bridge inspector who has worked in Baltimore with a Spanish -speaking work crew from Brawner Builders and I can't help but think some of the crash truck guys were on that crew. 😭

[@z.m.stewart1996]

“158-foot beam” “same” “59-foot draft” “same” “95,000 gross tons” “same” “can carry just under 10,000 20-foot equivalent units.” “nah, i can’t do that.” “i can do that!”

[@Aloemancer]

If November hadn't called herself out I would have assumed that it was an *unintentional* Dwarf Fortress reference.

[@aaronmalay5497]

"There's no way she's referencing DF." ...she continues... "Jesus Christ. We all have internet poisoning."

[@de-fault_de-fault]

A nearly two-hour newsbrief. That checks out.

[@JosephJamesScott]

neither brief nor news

[@TisTheDamnStickSeason]

The Goddamn Long News

[@lucase.2546]

@@JosephJamesScottin the news there was no brief, and in the brief there was no news

[@coyote438]

OMG it's the long heralded Emergency Podcast

[@thomasgiles2876]

This incident simultaneously calls to mind the Sunset Skyway Collapse and the Safety Third where the NYC tunnel crew asked "what happens to us in an emergency" "oh, you die."

[@Nestor_Makhno]

Holy shit, we've been sent an episode from the future. There's no way they got an episode out this quick

[@theprojectproject01]

Obviously podcasting from the nation of Nation, conveniently translated into Language, by our hosts (all named Roz).

[@ZenobiaofPalmyra]

You could say that you did trot ski that coming.

[@ZealothPL]

I absolutely hate the "we should rebuild every part of our infrastructure so those monstrous failures of oversized ships can continue to mess things up anyway" Apparently those ships somehow have negative redundancy. It carries 10000 containers but only has one engine and no batteries to even keep the damn lights on? Nevermind the fact it should be required to have enough battery power to operate the maneuvering thrusters and the rudder for good half an hour,on top of having all crucial comms and navigation systems powered

[@TexasCat99]

Elon Musk THINKING that twisted steel can be repaired back to a bridge should show NASA that Musk doesn't know anything about metals or manufacturing.

[@devinfaux6987]

The mind-boggling thing to me is the speed and the timing. From the moment the ship first lost power to impact with the bridge was about 4 minutes 30 seconds. When the ship lost power, she was passing the outflow of one of the side channels, the current of which may well have contributed to pushing her into the turn. If she'd lost power a little sooner or a little later, she could quite easily have missed the bridge entirely. The cops who closed the bridge were the ones already on-site because of the road work being done; if there hadn't been a work crew out that night they might not have been nearby enough to close the bridge in time -- in some of the footage you can still see trucks crossing in front of the ship very close to the impact. The officer Justin mentions who called for backup: that backup arrived and he was just about to go alert the crew when the bridge came down.

[@robotniqueee]

My favorite tweet or whatever about Elon's brilliant idea was, "Elon has clearly never bent a paper clip back and forth" if he thinks that steel can be reused.

[@piccalillipit9211]

*"IM NEURUO DIVERGENT "probably"* I think we can dispense with the "probably" this being literally THE most autistic podcast in history I say this with love as a fellow autistic person but you could change the name to "Well There's Your Autism" and it would only increase the accuracy.

[@doctorworm420]

I know Liam mentioned being schizoaffective and schizospec disorders are included under the neurodivergent umbrella Pretty sure November has talked about being autistic before so we only need Rozc and they can voltron.

[@piccalillipit9211]

@@doctorworm420 - someone with Rox's level of train love has to be autistic...

[@falloutghoul1]

"Welcome back to Well There's Your News. It's a podcast about news. With slides." "Now before we go any further, we need to talk about..." *"The Goddamn Problem."*

[@redbullwife1]

Underrated.

[@RiverWilliamson]

Roz: We're all some kind of neurodivergent a few minutes pass Roz: The B&O Railroad Museum is good, GO THERE

[@ShuRugal]

the irony about the conspiracy theorists is that they always miss the one glaringly obvious conspiracy: the conspiracy of greed. We're almost certainly going to find out that the ship lost propulsion because it was inadequately maintained because the owner didn't want to spend money on maintenance. These ships are basically one giant engine strapped to a giant box filled with smaller boxes. They are riddled with single-point failures, because redundancy costs money and capital hates being spent. Lose the one giant engine, and every powered system on the ship stops working because that engine, in addition to powering the screws, also powers the electrical and hydraulic systems needed to operate the ship underway.

[@mjaynes288]

My father tried to speed up entering a freeway to avoid a rolling roadblock just behind us lead by a highway patrol cruiser. I did not want to: -run over a CalTrans worker -run over whatever the CalTrans worker was picking up -find ourselves in the middle of a high speed chase My father decided to fall back behind the cruiser to avoid having to listen to me any more.

[@iamjustkiwi]

Roz saying foshizzle nearly finished off what little is left of my hp bar.

[@theD0gfish]

[Team Fortress 2 crit sound]

[@KirillTheBeast]

Bro, I choked on a sip of tea right there. Too intense

[@MrLeafeater]

This episode still has that new-disaster smell.

[@PJ-he5zk]

" Bridge fall down " thanks team. ❤

[@iciajay6891]

Yes.

[@obamabiden]

well first of all it shouldn't be doing that

[@Rosa-lv8yw]

L, Mr Bond.

[@outistynnanyt5153]

I was honestly kinda expecting something along the lines of "well, your problem there is that you shouldn't run a boat into a bridge." followed by 2 hours of silence

[@paleposter]

@@obamabiden it just needs to be a bit more rigid

[@jacobreese735]

As a land surveyor who has done a lot of work near and in the anacostia/combined sewer systems. You have my deepest sympathies.

[@joinedupjon]

I'd have expected Musks contribution to be 'bridges are dumb - I can tunnel it in 2 weeks and it'll cost $0.5M'

[@Eloraurora]

Ah, but that would require him to be consistent.

[@JSheepherder]

My favorite containerized item is wine, stored in a giant plastic liner like the world's largest bag in a box of Franzia.

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Why...why?

[@PurpleShift42]

... shipping container sized goon bag? [As in cask wine, not whatever weird sex stuff the internet comes up with]

[@PurpleShift42]

​@@PanAndScanBuddycask wine is the favoured drink of broke students because it's cheaper by volume and alcoholic, there's not much "why" to it (probably to sell the low quality stuff or something)

[@interstellarphred]

So.... Baltimore Harbor can now compose an anthem called "The Car Strangled Spanner" Agree with you Roz, nice looking bridge.

[@bryantmitchell4270]

I was woken from an illness induced sleep with a text simply reading "they did the bridge!".

[@MJ_0019]

"Someone is gonna say the whole crew of the ship was Indian" - idiots talking about it being crewed by "illegals" was one of the first bits of nonsense I heard. Took everything I had to not just shriek "THAT'S NOT HOW INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING WORKS"

[@neon_Nomad]

Nah it was the workers America is built on the back of illegals

[@matsv201]

That is not quite true. Depending on how the vessel is flagged determen how it is legally alowed to be crewd.

[@FakeSchrodingersCat]

@@matsv201 The flag is Singapore. Meaning as long as the crewmember holds a certificate of competency from any country, they are good.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

​@@matsv201 technically true, but the people bringing up the crews' nationality - rather than e.g. intra-crew language barriers in particular such as has been mentioned in previous maritime WTYPs - are mostly just racists looking for an angle to get angry at a world that scares them.

[@TalesOfWar]

@@williamchamberlain2263 They probably don't even realise the crew will at most only be off said vessel very briefly anyway, if at all. They basically live on the things for their entire contract, the local dock workers do the main chunk of the actual loading and unloading from the dock side itself.

[@janmelantu7490]

“Keeping a secret is very difficult when you’re doing cool stuff” words to live by

[@SawedOffLaser]

The God Damn News: Bonk Straight to the point, hard hitting journalism

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

Realizing that someday they'll have a guest who was actively involved in a major disaster, and the entire episode becomes an extended Safety Third segment.

[@averagejoe6031]

I think it’s very cursed that when I first saw this Bridge collapse I thought “wonder when this will be a podcast episode”

[@ValerieEnriquez]

Same. It made me wonder, "Hey, maybe I AM a sociopath."

[@knotical689]

I'm a marine engineer, in my long beach union hall we were just talking about the bridges here and how they were specifically designer to avoid this kind of impact. Only thing we've hit while I was onboard was a gantry crane

[@PanAfricanCommunalist]

The “I like a big truss” followed by “So does Lamar Jackson” and the Liz Truss joke are probably my favorite succession of jokes done on the show so far lmaoo so funny dude.

[@dirckdelint6391]

Elon’s big brain “re-use the steel” idea is entirely valid: all you have to do is pass all the fallen steel through a foundry, liquify it, re-form it into the necessary shapes (including rebar!), and Bob’s your proverbial uncle with no worries about deformed crystal structures. eAsY aS PiE.

[@IVIDR]

As they noted, steel is fungible, it is cheaper and quicker to get new steel, it could even possibly be fabricated before demolition of the existing bridge is complete if that was the critical path priority, but is isn’t. BTW all steel gets recycled, intentionally recycling this steel only to be used on this bridge is insane…

[@frederf3227]

Ideally the steel would be recycled into a new cargo ship to crash into the new bridge. "Hey boys, I'm ba-ack!"

[@kjj26k]

"If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em!" -The SS Francis Scott Key Bridge, allegedly.

[@isserles]

Damn this was insanely fast. I was expecting this episode to come out several years in the future.

[@andrewdunn8778]

7:00 There's a old folk / country song called "Deportee" that's been covered by Dolly Parton and The Highwayman among others, about a true story of migrant laborers who died in a planw crash and are simply called "deportees" in the newspaper despite being incredibly vital, hard-working people 49:00 The first line of that article "How far should we go in being our brother's keeper?" "Am I my brother's keeper?" was what Cain said to God after murdering his brother Abel

[@911yrhse]

a two-hour-long Goddamn News, we are so back

[@CAPDude44]

Correction, cars CAN be in containers on a ship. Just not new ships. I once helped a neighbor load their Grand Marquis into a 20ft container since they were bringing it with them back to Lebanon

[@SamuelElsfleth]

Two things to add. - The VHF should be connected to a Battery with at least 30 minutes of power supply in case of a blackout. - Shortly before they hit the pillar you can see black smoke coming from the funnel probably because the engine was used. The ships starts to turn to starboard suddenly. The reason could be running the engine in reverse which causes the stearn to move to port if the vessel has a right hand propeller.

[@SewingandCaring]

Check out the maritime charts of the harbour, at the exact moment she lost power they were crossing the west to east outflow and it was high tide during a full moon. Without rudder control, this would basically have booted her in the arse. The big question is where was the backup generator? It should have come on in 47 seconds, and one of its three breakers is connected to the rudder. This is what we need the NTSB report for, if it didn't come on automatically and the crew had to go for the power plant then this is a much much deeper issue than the speculation about fuel or crew mistakes - I won't be surprised to see the words "catastrophic failure" in that report.

[@jasonallman696]

If the engine made a difference, it was probably in reverse. Tracking shows the ship slowed down just before impact.

[@Kameth]

In regards to certain people using 'DEI' to describe Baltimore's mayor... They are using DEI as a substitute for another word they seethe that they get in trouble for using. It's why they're pushing that acronym so hard. Sad thing is on Twitter they probably could just use the slur they want to use and receive no push back from Twitter anymore.

[@franslair2199]

that and the Indian workers

[@thomasdjonesn]

I always wondered about this - what kind of trouble do they expect? Like, they can say whatever they want. If they get their teeth kicked in, that's simply a coincidence. Who's actually going to go out of the way to kick their teeth in? I don't say that word, and many more pejoratives besides, because the people that asked me not to use it are people I like and care about. Done and done. But an asshole is an asshole, it doesn't matter if he says "DEI" or the other word, does it? It's not like we don't know they're assholes when they use "DEI" as a pejorative.

[@Kameth]

@@thomasdjonesn Twitter might not do anything to you, but if your employer discovers you use Twitter to scream slurs you might not have an job anymore. Or maybe family and friends don't want to associate with you. Oh noes. Consequences. Of course, Elon would totally pay for your legal fees if you got fired for posting slurs on Twitter. He always fulfills his promises, right?

[@Nadia1989]

Most of the people claiming it's DEI have no idea what DEI is and how it works.

[@mechamadder]

I'm from Baltimore. It was a tough couple days. Heartbreaking.

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

and then the bridge collapsed. hey oh

[@mechamadder]

how'd you know

[@magesalmanac6424]

hopefully this doesn't put a lot of people out of work :(

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

​@@magesalmanac6424 the real tragedy is the loss of capital

[@shawnsoviak4573]

Fellow Philadelphian, but once a resident of Baltimore: Pigtown is a real place. It was close to the Slaughterhouses in Carroll-Camden, and pigs were once commonly herded through the neighborhood.

[@mapwheel00]

I know y'all don't like to cover unfolding disasters, but I think you guys did a pretty good job of covering the facts and giving broader context without irresponsibly speculating. Well done.

[@CJ-jo6do]

"Shouldn't there be some pier protection Incase of a ship or barge impact?" "No one's hit the bridge yet" Yet... Also there's many reports of the ship having major electric issues, some to do with the power to the container refrigerator units. Maintenance is going to be a factor in the ship's multiple black-outs

[@JoshSweetvale]

If we learned anything from Boeing, it's that it's never maintainance and always pilot error.

[@TrashHeapCustodian]

Honestly being drunk enough in Dundalk to forget a week is basically how it feels to live in Dundalk anyway so thats just fitting in with the locals

[@JoshuaR.Collins]

Hello fellow local, (im up in Perry Hall)

[@thejmags]

I'm Justin Newsniak, I'm the person who's talking right now. My Pronouns are he and him. Okay, go.

[@benoitbvg2888]

Welcome to the WTYP Action News, our coverage of the disaster continues with Liam reporting from a V22 Osprey over the scene. Not directly over the scene, but above a children's hospital right next to the scene. The weather isn't great, but the pilot is an ex-marine and he seems really confident.

[@MrJimheeren]

Breaking news. A V22 Osprey suddenly fell out of the sky and completely burned up on impact. 400 children are feared dead and a big boy

[@dirkdieters5773]

I wasn't expecting a BoatMurdered reference, but I am HERE for it.

[@FeepingCreature]

To be fair, that doesn't make you autistic so much as old. (That was 2006! Geez.)

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

@@FeepingCreaturewhy can’t be both?

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

​@@FeepingCreatureisn't it still going? On KZbin?

[@Katie-gr6qq]

I am so sorry to say, but as a person who used to have to drive home at 1 am after a long shift, I don't trust that I would have listened to the road closure blockades.

[@Man2quilla]

Holy shit, November quoting Maimonides? Hell yeah. Also, Maimonides nuts.

[@theprojectproject01]

My gal's wicked smaaht

[@sierra3830]

that joke helped me figure out how to pronounce that word

[@willmiles7978]

Also referencing Boatmurdered :o

[@computer_toucher]

@@sierra3830Incorrectly at that! ;)

[@rawbebaba]

I get the feeling that Roz' political radicalization went something like : Trains - Communism

[@andrewdunn8778]

There's probably some sort of flowchart where if you get radicalized by trains, you become a Marxist Leninist and if you are radicalized by guns, you become an anarchist. I'm the rare species of redneck who was radicalized because of Socialist Rifle Association but became an ML

[@elfinfluff]

Love the condescending engineer hubris . "Should be put armor on our roofs?" That's literally what the shingles are, bro. The bridge is insured for ~$80M, but spending another $1M to plop in some basic barricades is silly crazy talk. Welp, it's probably going to cost $150M+ and take a decade to rebuild, so that was $1M well not-spent.

[@Daneelro]

Nitpick: the quote was "Should we put armor plating over houses to protect them from airplanes?" Shingles aren't THAT, and you'd need extremely thick armor plates to defend against the extremely low likelihood of an airplane impact. But his talk was still dumb because a ship hitting a bridge pier is much more likely than an airplane hitting a house. Also, I don't think that as engineering hubris, more the ignorance of people in senior positions about new developments, which the dolphins were at the time.

[@joeyj6808]

That's *The American Way* in 2024!!!

[@Daneelro]

@@joeyj6808 This quote was from the 1970s.

[@65gtotrips]

It’s not a big deal as the Federal Government said it’s picking up the tab for the entire project; Which just means they’re going to just print the money and devalue our dollar with inflation even more.

[@65gtotrips]

The Federal Government said it’s paying for the entire project which means they’ll just print the money. That’ll devalue and inflate our money even more.

[@Eric_Hunt194]

Is it just me, or could you hear November biting her tongue when Justin said "these numbers are soundings"... 😬

[@mikehjt]

I'm amazed the WTYP Podcast folk didn't suggest Woody Guthrie's 'This Land Is Your Land'.

[@MrDerpdog]

“Boatmurdered” brought me back to 2013 when I was reading the LP on my phone during my breaks at my awful retail job

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

I swear Kruggsmash covered it but it's disappeared

[@MVHiltunen]

LP?

[@MrDerpdog]

@@MVHiltunen “let’s play” like where you watch (in this case read, as it was a screenshot LP) someone play a game. These are sometimes done in comical fashions.

[@SubRosaFlorens]

I am pleased to announce that here in Detroit we have DEI. The city is 77% African-American, and has a White Mayor, Mike Duggan.

[@jamesadfowkes]

If November can't get "make it more rigid" she can at least get "make it *look* more rigid".

[@AuraHero]

It's interesting to hear people talking about how terrifying it is to drive across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Then again, I grew up going back and forth across that bridge since I grew up on Kent Island. The reversible lane on the western span is scary, but they have done well to make it a bit better over the years with better markings and such. Still, it's not fun watching cars come at you the other way. Honestly, when I started seeing conspiracy theories being pushed by folks like Lara Logan about the bridge being targeted, I just laughed. If you really wanted to mess with the economy, you take out the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Not only would you cut off the Port of Baltimore, but you'd do a lot of damage to the tourism industry for years by cutting off the main road to the beaches on the coast.

[@noahdavidson8733]

I hate to say it, but the moment this happened, my second thought, after “those poor people” was “I wonder what WTYP will say about this”

[@MrJimheeren]

Nah you are not the only one

[@mikehitchings4948]

If Elon thinks we can reuse ANY of that steel before reforging, I wonder what the quality is of the steel is that he uses in his cars and rockets!!! (Maybe that’s why the Hyperloop failed….the rails were already stressed beyond their yield point and the tunnels are full of twisted masses of steel and human bodies!!!!

[@EmyrDerfel]

He's a software guy who's learned other stuff as a hobby, and he was never that good at software, hence why he's now mostly a hype guy.

[@isobelshasha2095]

eyyy who else remembers seeing the stress strain graph back in episode 2

[@JosephJamesScott]

Newsbrief, what you call a nearly two hour video that reports on an event that happed over a week ago. In other words: neither new nor brief. I love it!

[@theyellowbox1]

That breakdown of the harbor was mostly accurate- Tradepoint Atlantic is now at Sparrows Point and is the only part of the Port functioning, but Roz, you nailed pretty much the rest. Kudos!

[@AlRoderick]

Rowers are dork jocks, or docks.

[@theprojectproject01]

Jorks In jorts with joars

[@DiamondKingStudios]

22:01 I don’t know if this is the most effective counter to Devon’s comment, but there is a video out there of Bin Laden dancing and singing to “Poker Face” and it’s rather bizarre honestly

[@redbullwife1]

I ran DIRECTLY to find this, and sadly, it's a lookalike. I was so ready for this, lol.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

@@redbullwife1 yeah maybe it doesn’t exist, but the idea of it is in itself fascinating.

[@jonbuq2418]

You're still in that Tim Horton's, trying to order a coffee. You never left.

[@LunaRose1312]

Oh I didn't realise there had been a name change, I love November, such an amazing name choice 💜

[@EmyrDerfel]

She'd been foreshadowing it on Twitter for at least several months.

[@andrewdunn8778]

​@@EmyrDerfelI was listening to an old episode of Kill James Bond, their first Q&A from a couple of years ago think, and she mentioned possibly changing it to November at some point in the future

[@LunaRose1312]

@@EmyrDerfel I don't go on twitter its a hellscape since Elon

[@PobortzaPl]

Rocz snezing and Liam asking "had you took you allergy meds" it's like a 100% my wife and me conversion. Okay, we're heterosexual and grew up in 1980-90s, so i do drop in "Honey", "Dear" and "Bunny" inyo that. Anyway - Liam asking Rocz had he took his medicines is a relationship goal you all should aim at.

[@Skylancer727]

DEI is actually the corporate term for woke. For the past few years DEI was basically the acronym every big business used for "equality" in the workspace. I remember even when I worked at Amazon 2 years ago that was already their acronym for it. I also found it really funny as when I read their description they actually made their own definition of words like "diversity" so it doesn't actually mean what people usually would use it as. The term has basically only been treated as a slur more recently because of companies basically doing fake diversity posts and public stunts. Some groups have even come out to fund companies based on their "DEI" score. It's basically a slur of it's own creation.

[@AtoZFarm]

I have a friend who lives in Pigtown. November, if you see this, it's where there used to be lots of slaughterhouses!

[@aft3rbrn3r]

Suddenly and involuntary switching from scuba to sky diving as a result of looney toons shenanigans is my new favorite mental image.

[@henryfleischer404]

Y'know, the problem with the WTYP merch is that I don't wear Tshirts or hoodies. Maybe there should be a tie, or a WTYP-print dress. I could use a new dress, and a new tie.

[@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub]

Wtyp pocket protector

[@EmyrDerfel]

WTYP hardhat sticker

[@douglasgraebner1831]

WTYPP jorts

[@icl4ntic]

My dad's first job in denmark was welding containers for maersk in Tønder; but these containers live a petty short, hardworking life, being at sea for a few years and all, so its unlikely any of them are still around. This also means they're terrible as a building material for buildings, used or new; stop doing that.

[@TheDungeonofBadDecisions]

4:16 "wow, you get all the syllables" fucking killed me. I hacked up my wine, tears are streaming down my face, i cant fuckin breathe.

[@thesirms]

"she grip on my metal til i fracture" LOL

[@NunSuperior]

48:48 My house was built with 8" thick reinforced cement brick walls to resist small airplanes because it's near an airport. So, yeah we kinda do armor homes against airplanes. It sucks for Wi-Fi though.

[@Jaren15949]

Long-time listener. First-time commenter. It's so weird listening to this episode while driving home from Jimmy's Famous Seafood in Dundalk, MD! I have mixed feelings about a tragedy being so close to home, and enjoying a podcast about engineering disasters. With slides.

[@erictaylor5462]

As a teenager we visited some friends in the Netherlands. There oldest kid, who was my age, had broken his arm playing "pointless football" and he had a doctor's appointment. My friend was being helped and when another woman asked me a question in Dutch I assumed she had asked if I needed help, so I responded "Nay" and to my horror she walked over to help me. My friend said something to her in Dutch and she laughed and walked away. Turns out she had asked me, "Have you been helped?" not "Do you need help." Soccer, a game most other people call "football" is "pointless football" because if you picture and American Foot ball, there are two points. A soccer ball is spherical and is thus fee of points. Thus it is pointless.

[@BulletsAndPapper]

57:05 - Its harder, but due note that land, contrary to popular belief, is not a fool proof way of stopping a boat from ramming a bridge. For some interesting reading, and info on one of the most horrifying ways to die in a car, see the Almö Bridge Collapse (otherwise know as Tjörnbrokatastrofen in meatball language).

[@darthbob88]

21:23 Time to ratio Liam; the national anthem should be "This Land is Your Land", which was not written by a lesbian, but was written by a socialist.

[@John73John]

Well if the man who knows more about manufacturing that anyone alive says you can just reuse the steel, then it must be true! After all, the Cybertruck is well known for not having any metallurgy-related issues whatsoever, so he definitely does know what he's talking about.

[@JPR3D]

I was shocked to find a lack of "make it more rigid" shirt on the merch store.

[@DarkSoulsSauron]

every time i'm reminded how big container ships are i'm more and more convinced that boats were a mistake and every single one is a crime against god, a testament to man's hubris

[@Frommerman]

Any boat larger than the ones in the Bible is a sin against God.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Wearing stockings and eating shrimp is a sin against God. Being _gay_ is a sin against god. Being _black_ used to be. Being a palestinian still is. Maybe don't listen to a senile dictator wizard.

[@OutbackCatgirl]

​@@Frommermanpretty sure the arc was pretty fuckin big to fit two of every animal. whales are animals and they big

[@Skullair313]

To be fair, you don't need to take whales on a boat during a flood

[@DarkSoulsSauron]

@@Frommerman nah all boats were a mistake

[@queergeologist8207]

weird al probably has the best version of "party in the usa": "party in the cia"

[@Eloraurora]

I want the WTYP take on There, I Ruined It's mash-up, Party in the USSR.

[@requiem1723]

Speaking as a guy who rowed at Cambridge, we had two levels of nerd for every level we took in jock.