Wera, Koken, Tone, USA, Who makes the best ratchets sockets? A super knit-picky fitment comparison.

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@Gomiz90 10 ай бұрын

We are using the pin retention, this is mandatory for us. We are working on turbines and generators. Any foreign material left inside the machine after the maintenance can cause millions of dollars of damages. It happened before where a socket fall off in a place that is very hard/impossible to reach, hence the mandatory requirement for us to use the pin retention.

@Suiseisexy 5 ай бұрын

One time a guy dropped a socket while working on a Titan II nuclear missile and almost destroyed the state of Arkansas.

@ShieldAG 10 ай бұрын

Could you add Hazet und Stahlwille in a future comparison? TIA

@Sin_Dinero 9 ай бұрын

The pin and o-ring is a Japanese industrial standard they need to follow when using sockets on pneumatic and electric drives, it’s a safety feature to ensure the sockets don’t fly off and hurt someone. They also need to tether their hand tools to their belts when on ladders and scaffolding, you’ll see their hammers and other hand tools having lanyard holes a lot. That Proto Black Hawk ratchet is a Tone rebrand, Tone does have a good amount of their ratchets made in Taiwan.

@MyScotty7 9 ай бұрын

Steel erector from the UK,we use pin and rubber on all socket and rattler guns to keep the socket on at hight.

@NPOAfterMidnight-ft9zj 10 ай бұрын

Great vid. Nice job of the clear-up on the Wera at the beginning.

@gianply 10 ай бұрын

we use the cross bore and pin on heavy duty applications. mainly 3/4 inch and larger impact wrenches which dont have a ball detent mostly

@Para-Phrase 10 ай бұрын

The level of details we are watching and talking about is actually crazy. But, we alle love snappy tools 😅

@bulshavix6 10 ай бұрын

Once you have all the snappys you start getting picky lol

@MsCheesebread Ай бұрын

We use the pin and the rubber retention in the wind industry. To keep it from falling at heights and from sticking to the bolt when we pull the Hy Torc off.

@AtomBomb- 10 ай бұрын

The cross pin retention is required in many Asian countries. I had a neighbor that moved from Japan to the US and he was absolutely baffled by the hog ring style socket retention. He insisted the socket would fly off without cross pin retention.

@solomonshv 10 ай бұрын

to be fair, that happened to me 2 times.... in 20+ years

@Streifenhoernchen2 10 ай бұрын

The half bore in these sockets is actually for a pin detent, not a ball detent. The pin detent is not that common, but it exists. You have to use a small screwdriver to change your sockets, so it’s only useful when you want to permanently put a socket on. My father has an old Bosch impact with that o ring and pin fixiation. I think this is a relic from the past.

@butchphillips873 10 ай бұрын

Many brands like Gedore use the pin lock style for their larger impact sockets and extension drives. My 1974 1inch drive imact sockets use the pin lock.

@Para-Phrase 10 ай бұрын

Yup, he can google: "ring and pin for impact nut" Then he'll see it 👍

@muhammaddanial2790 5 ай бұрын

My main use of the pin and o ring is for work at height industries. To prevent falling object incidents. Typically on construction, offshore and marine use.

@JohnBeebe 10 ай бұрын

The explosion in 1980 at Damascus Titan missile in Arkansas was initiated by the Air Force tech not reading the safety bulletin about securing a socket to the ratchet. using the cross bore. The socket fell off to the bottom of the missle silo, punching a hole int he missle releasing toxic and flammable gases

@BZEUG 10 ай бұрын

Wow! Ok, THIS is why they make cross bore socket retention! encyclopediaofarkansas.net/entries/titan-ii-missile-explosion-2543/#:~:text=The%20Titan%20II%20Launch%20Complex,duct%20on%20September%2019%2C%201980.

@heathyoung4546 10 ай бұрын

Interesting video. One of the fitment considerations is the ball and the ball holding groove. Shape, size, and design all play a factor. For example, my Koken sockets will not lock onto some cheaper quick release ratchets. Almost any socket will have very little play on a Wright ratchet because of how much the ball on the anvil protrudes and it has high spring tension. Originally their sockets didn't even have ball holding grooves. Just a couple factors to consider as you possibly extend your testing as you get in more product I really enjoy this kind of stuff and have enjoyed your channel for a while. I'd like to see more of the German ratchets. In my tinkering with this, the Hazet has had rock solid fitment almost as good as Koken. Their quick release HP ratchets do seam to have slightly more play in them though.

@abdelrahmanakl559 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the quick video. I was looking at the last videos comment section and was thinking the same thing. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@visserswp 3 ай бұрын

The second you commented about the through bore on the sockets I realised it’s a feature I’ve been dying to have on my ratchet impact driver. When removing corrugated (asbestos) roofing the ratchets tend to stick/lock to the screws due to their rusty heads. Having a throug bore would completely eliminate that so you can just whack the impact to bust the bolt out and continue working

@ModGladBlock3.0 3 ай бұрын

We use them in the industrial power generation side , it’s good for when your using one socket for long periods of time so that way during your fast movements, whether you’re assembling or disassembling machinery, you don’t lose the socket and the high work temple height pace environment. I say it’s good for that reason that’s what we use them for and we use them on battery powered impact wrenches or air powered impact. Wrenches you have to ensure that the anvil has a pass through anvil

@wytze01 10 ай бұрын

Ko-ken Z-EAL sockets are the best because of there patented detent in the socket. It's tapered to push play out.

@WhiteVaille 10 ай бұрын

Likewise had always thought and done the same as you. I can only assume the fixed-to-anvil sockets are for industrial use (as I'd seen them described in Ko-ken's industrial catalog), where you don't want employees changing sockets anyway (one fitting-type to a single assembly station), but sure, I guess I could also imagine it in aerospace? Curious to see what comments are left, and if you make yet another follow-up on the topic.

@WhiteVaille 10 ай бұрын

That Blackhawk ratchet looks very much like something from TONE, IIRC??

@CoopUSMC2531 10 ай бұрын

Love my Japanese tools. Koken, Nepros, Tone, Anex, Vessel etc. Never been dissatisfied with any of their products. Have multiple Koken Ratchets, they are my go to.

@aussiehardwood6196 10 ай бұрын

Japan has different standards for 'impact socket retention'. These standards do not apply in the US/Europe.

@fenwickchristopher1237 8 ай бұрын

On production lines they use the pin as the socket never gets swapped as each "station" is for a specific task. Very interesting with the placement of the ball, I too always lined up the hole with the ball. Tested it and it does make the socket fit tighter. Think it goes to show that unless you really pay attention to it, it does not really matter.

@jaye68313 10 ай бұрын

Pin is used on bigger 3/4 an 1 inch stuff but I have a set of tone 3/8 impact that have a pin a oring on every socket.

@brandidonn7847 10 ай бұрын

Just pined my 1 3/8” 3/4” drive socket on a couple days ago. 3/4” and 1” sockets super common when the sockets get that big and heavy and you are doing stuff like replacing and torquing 32 1” bolts upside down in a boom lift pedestal. The last thing you need is to worry about the damn socket falling off especially if you are under it or even your helper is under it.

@ownyoulikeaboss 10 ай бұрын

The cross pin feature is good for big heavy industrial 3/4 sockets and above where you might be pushing a long ratchet (with 2 hands and another person holding the socket side onto the bolt) and you have a higher chance of deviating the pushing or pulling forces in the z direction. Direction that could pop the socket out. But for smaller ratchet its probably for use in factories where the workers are doing bolts in repetition and they rarely had to change socket size.

@efektmurowany 10 ай бұрын

I use the pin when i use my 1000Nm impact driver when i work on hight 👍

@carnold.knowledge 10 ай бұрын

Love all your videos. My Koken and Stahlwille are my favorites ratchets. They seem to have a “soul” of some sort, lol. Still use my Tekton and USA Craftsman ratchets, but they are pretty sloppy. Starting to move them from the workshop to car kits and such.

@hammerhead28 10 ай бұрын

great video, thank you! 😊 Do you have Hazet HiPer ratchet, because I would like to see comparision with KoKen?

@franksam8610 10 ай бұрын

I love my Koken and Williams even though koken has no qc issues on mine sockets and ratchets

@macvos 4 ай бұрын

Facom ratchets are often made by USAG in Italy. They're also sold under the Würth brand.

@mikegraham7078 10 ай бұрын

The cross-bore and pin is VERY common on 1" drive sockets. I have never seen it personally on a 3/8" drive.

@mvevitsis 9 ай бұрын

In Japan all impact wrenches and sockets use this system. From 1/4 and up.

@Famcia 10 ай бұрын

Cross bore is used in automatic nutrunner in industry ( diffirent locking system , by pin, ) safety rule

@plunder1956 10 ай бұрын

I can imagine many situations where a socket is ideal BUT dropping a socket inside something would be a massive problem. I suspect that cross-drilled hole, with a cross pin and O-ring cold make dropping a socket almost impossible. perhaps this is the application for it.

@Aser6000 9 ай бұрын

I like this level of attention to detail, but I think how the socket fits on a bolt is much more important than how it fits onto the ratchet.

@jeffwolf8018 10 ай бұрын

There's only one thing I don't like about my new Tone ratchet. Is the quick release function on a you have to press it very hard and almost countersink it before it will release the socket or extension bar you have on it. Outside of that it's a very good ratchet but it does take a little extra time to switch out sockets. A problem I've never come across with on my Koken ratchets. However I do want to get one of these Wera Cyclops ratchets. I've been looking at them for over a year now and just haven't gone ahead and bought one I do like the way that the head spins all the way around earn it. However I don't like to play between the socket and the bolt that you just exposed from it

@lesslighter 10 ай бұрын

I would assume that the pin system is only good to "semi-permanently" affix the socket into the wrench (good if you only want to use 1 socket frequently?) or is a hold over for people who still use vintage tools where pin retention is still used in which case it might be an interesting to look at into pneumatic torque guns and lo behold a quick search of pneumatic torque guns they still use the pin style retention system as ball ditents arent actually useful for their usecase

@picnicsinspace198 10 ай бұрын

I've been wanting a Koken ratchet for so long also Nepros

@1FaSS01 10 ай бұрын

Buy all possible variations of koken z-eal ratchets and you won't be disappointed 😊 Nepros are too good looking to be used tho :) 😊

@Wa1200-6 10 ай бұрын

I have a 1/2" nepros but it doesnt hold sockets very well. I prefer koken or snapon ratchets

@RoblocPlayer7272 10 ай бұрын

Started with nepros and ended up with koken. Nepros got sloppy after a year of abuse. The koken has been rock solid for over a year now.

@picnicsinspace198 10 ай бұрын

@@RoblocPlayer7272 ok thx :) I'm going for the Koken I think

@1Barsamian 4 ай бұрын

@@picnicsinspace198smart choice

@user-rc9jf8ng2k 6 ай бұрын

What are the best ones for the Wera wrench?

@SupposedlyShiny 10 ай бұрын

Hey Bzueg, what’s the best T25 for using with my JDM Makita? Vessels are very disappointing with the slop. I love Makita Gold T25, but want a slim 3-4 inch T25

@cilli5866 6 ай бұрын

anex

@benreese2829 10 ай бұрын

Hi, great content as usual. Could you tell me what the little socket set you s on the right, looks like a tidy bit of kit. Cheers 🇬🇧

@thelred-ph3lq 10 ай бұрын

Sir, have you seen the Vessel 900ALWC bit holder handle?

@SupposedlyShiny 10 ай бұрын

Cross bar is most useful for 1/2 and 3/4 impacts.

@jeffwolf8018 10 ай бұрын

I would like to see Kijen go against its sister plant Nepros. I suspect Nepros will come out the winter. The quality they put into their tools is just four notches above what even Snap On does. However I place Koken ratchets far better than snap-on due to the near no back drag. Smooth as silk..

@komandoklucha 10 ай бұрын

As far i as i know its saftey feature, i guess in industrial aplication when you not changing sockets constantly is valid to use pins, so you dont get hit with them at 2k rpm in the face :) Ball detent tend to bind sockets on impacts and pins are annoying to use so everyone just stick them on guns and hope for the best....

@aussiehardwood6196 10 ай бұрын

Battery impacts are VERY slow in comparison to pneumatics, I've got small 3/8 & 1/2 drive impact wrenches that turn 9500-11000rpm. Even full size 1/2" guns will be 5-7k rpm.

@bh10k17 10 ай бұрын

That Blackhawk ratchet sure looks another like a tone .

@alinutzalin6346 10 ай бұрын

No snap on?

@iangregoryhome 10 ай бұрын

I thought everyone knew 😂 I think pin and o ring is just the old school way, have a look at the Impact Wrench GDS 18V-300

@shaunybonny688 10 ай бұрын

Does the fit youre going over here really matter? I don't think it does.

@thfmlymn4498 10 ай бұрын

I've been using ko-ken for over 20 years, they have been nothing short of exemplary. I really wish they made spanners.

@LabiaLicker 10 ай бұрын

The few Koken tools I've bought I've been extremely impressed with the fit and finish. Definitely plan on getting more. Btw can you do a comparison video on different brands wobble fix extension bars? I know you have some Wera ones

@JayBird911 10 ай бұрын

Great video!...thank you!

@mvevitsis 9 ай бұрын

All Japanese Makita impact wrenches use the through hole anvils.

@brettwalkom948 10 ай бұрын

As a heavy duesel mechanic japanese imoact sockets largely use those locking pins and also impact sockets use them it's basically just to prevent it falling off.. Also hydraulic spanners also known as hi torque wrenches have nothing to hold a socket on the anvil so you use a pin and oring

@jeremiahmccutcheon3234 4 ай бұрын

Ironworkers use it so you don’t drop sockets

@CoopUSMC2531 10 ай бұрын

I think the tolerances for Japanese sockets are smaller than everyone else, which is why sockets always fit better….minutely bigger where socket meets anvil.

@whatfreedom7 6 ай бұрын

The Blackhawk looks like a rebranded Tone ratchet.

@MyScotty7 9 ай бұрын

Taiwan make alot of the European companies tools to European spec but its cheaper to be made there.

@a8f235 10 ай бұрын

Precision is both tuned intentionally and unintentionally, so fitment between brands will be rather unintentional because most brands don't care about if their products work good nor bad together with other brands. From a consumer aspect you just have to try for yourself and see what suits you. Some like this, others like that... I get that a 1/2" socket is a standard, but brand A would like X amount of play and brand B may not even care about precision. You have to understand that you both need precision at the male *_and_* female side of the aspect, and the only viable way of measuring precision is between prducts from the same company that they claim should work together. If there's lots of slop between a socket from company X and a ratchet from company Y that doesn't really come as a surprise to me. If the fit is good then good but if it's sloppy then tough luck. I get that some would want to use a certain socket from brand X together with their favorite ratchet from brand Y, but just keep your expectations low because there's no guarantee that will be a good match nor is it something you should expect simply because companies don't care much about how the other companies make their shit.