Were Derek Jeter, Cal Ripken and Nolan Ryan overrated? | The Dan Le Batard Show | ESPN

[@CasiodorusRex]

Nolan Ryan has almost 6,000 strike outs and 7 no hitters. That is legend status and legend status is higher than HOF status.

[@markjones2518]

No cy young

[@paulg6274]

Also 2700 walks and a mediocre ERA

[@sydneypythias6963]

@@paulg6274 He was outpitched (W% AND E.R.A.) by teammate Frank Tanana from 1974-79 and teammate Joe Niekro pitched equally as well from 1980-85. J.R. Richard, the man who Ryan 'replaced' in a way, had significantly better numbers during his last 5 years in Houston (1976-80) versus Ryan's first 6 years (1980-85) -- each with about 1250 IP. So much for the 'but he played on mediocre teams' argument. How can you be one of the Top 5-10 ever when you were often not even clearly the best on your own team? We guys with the 'calculators' drive uber-fans of Ryan's crazy, as if walks don't matter. So, let's move to managers. What did the managers of the time think of him? 8 All-Star teams and 9 Opening Day starts, out of ~20-21 qualifying seasons. Very good, but not among the very greatest. Seaver and others were in double digits in one or both.

[@paulg6274]

@@sydneypythias6963 thank you, someone else with a grain of sanity!

[@Chiefs767]

@@markjones2518doesn’t matter

[@pontiacjaye305]

This is the greatest sports talk show ever. It just feels like a bunch of guys sitting on the porch drinking beer talking about sports and saying the most outlandish things

[@NotJames37]

These guys are absolute garbage!

[@awaloumohammad]

As an Avid listener of this show, when I read these comments I die of laughter cos I actually understand what they are doing. And Mike Ryan actually talking about Baseball tells you it’s a joke 😂😂

[@razkable]

or not long time fans who know this gimick shtick look at their faces..their gonna burst out laughing....its their move to trolla nd make fun of other radio shows who debate these things seriously...their mocking debates ...its great..gasbagging while doing it knowingly and mocking those who dont realize it...

[@bpeezy2254]

This is my favorite segment the show has ever done. It encapsulates everyone's characters perfectly from Billy's yammering to Greg's Keeper of the Sports to Stu's inner balancing act of laziness and wanting to talk sports to Dan's exasperation. Not to mention it's all set to the trope of 90s baseball. For those that get the show, this is Nirvana.

[@adriancle93]

Derek Jeter was never close to being the best

[@leonzaduncan2438]

he was the best shortstop after A-Rod joined the team

[@Pernicion]

@@leonzaduncan2438 His glove was marginally better than A-Rod's... He was never close to being the best SS in the league, offensively or defensively at any point in his career. He was sometimes the best Shortstop on his team.

[@petersonofleo11]

@@Pernicion Jeter glove was never better than Arod glove. The fact that Jeter has more gold gloves than a great defensive shortstop like Simba is a complete joke.

[@Pernicion]

​@@petersonofleo11 Neither of them ever deserved a Gold Glove... they played against Omar Vizquel for christ's sake. They shouldn't even be allowed to know what the trophy looks like... At the time, it seemed that Arod was losing range yearly due to bulking. In retrospect, even if he had lost more and more range, the Yankees would have been better off (tough to say considering they still won a lot), to put Arod at SS and get a real 3B. Jeter was essentially a good hitting defensive-specialist, who skipped the defensive-specialist part. Meaning he was just a good hitter with light power. Some teams, some years would take that as a DH even... but the Yankees could have picked up a 30HR .300 Avg guy to play 3rd base. Cause they're the evil empire and have infinite money.

[@petersonofleo11]

@@Pernicion Arod deserved it in his last year in Texas. Vizquel was injured that season and only played like 2 months.

[@mrmacross]

Ripken's second half of his career is not that great, but in his 20's he was amazing. He legitimately won two MVP awards, as in it wasn't just one of those vote for the best player on the best team votes. If you value WAR, he put up over 10 in his MVP seasons, and was good for 7 WAR a year for a ten-year stretch, which pretty much matches Jeter's WAR in 19 years. But more generally, at his very best, he was one of the best hitters in all of baseball, and he was also one of the best defensive SS in all of baseball.

[@kpk33x]

I would have given the 1983 MVP to Murray. Granted SS is a more crucial defensive position, but Murray was the top defensive 1B in the league AND protected Ripken in the lineup, hitting .306/33/111. In the absolutely stupid 1984 MVP vote, Ripken somehow finishes 25th after nearly putting up the same #'s? He also didn't deserve finishing 3rd in 1989 but his 1991 season was transcendent offensively...imagine how much better it could have been with some help. Ripken may have had only 3.5 great offensive seasons (83, 84, 91, and 99 when he only played 86 games) but also had 9 more good to very good offensive seasons and 3 more close to avg...when combined with superior defense every year and never missing games you would take that combo from a SS anytime especially pre 1993 when maybe 2 or 3 guys hit 20 on a team at most so I don't get their take. (I do think WAR outsizes value for SS)

[@theyakkov7758]

The logic for the hall of fame has always been "can you tell the story of the sport without these guys in it" the answer is no, they deserve to be in the hall

[@one7deep7savage7]

I like that

[@shawnsunday6195]

Playing good for a long time is a skill too.

[@greyez7]

Biggio's helmet absolutely put him in the Hall!!!!

[@FLIPPPP766]

For those who dont get this show, everybodies main goal is to annoy Dan by being 'over the top sports radio guy'

[@serpirt]

Lol ppl getting upset about those Y'all don't get the show! They're laughing threw the entire segment

[@NotJames37]

They are laughing, because they suck

[@matthewfortuna4464]

Russel Westbrook is the ultimate stat compiler

[@eastsidereviews727]

They seem like they are having some fun doing this show.

[@bobg8490]

You are not a baseball fan if you think they should not be in the Hall

[@danielwest9955]

This whole segment is massive satire.

[@BAYBears85]

You don’t get the show

[@rjh1073]

YOU DONT GET THE SHOW

[@kingammo6090]

And you Don't get the SCHOOOOOOOW!

[@bobg8490]

King AMMO 6090RP what am I missing

[@410balla]

Don’t ever disrespect the name of Cal Ripken Jr... #Birdland #OriolesNation ⚾️⚫️🔶

[@ameswallace8164]

Idk if this is to mess with Dan but I’m impressed how he kept it together.. I would’ve lost my mind

[@nohbuddy1]

No one rates Jeter as the greatest though

[@FAITHandLOGIC]

He didn't have to be the "greatest" to be great.

[@livensleazy]

the clip ends with Stu saying "you are on it today, boy" proof that that's just how he talks, re: the Timberlake greeting

[@THEBIGMANONCAMPASS]

If you think Nolan Ryan isn't a HOFer then your option on baseball is invalid

[@vestspet4242]

Blasphemous that anyone would think Rivera isn't 1st ballot HOFer. He had one pitch -his cutter. Hitters knew it was coming and they still couldn't hit it. That is great pitching. And on any other, he'd probably have fewer saves. But, he'd have a lot more wins.

[@serpirt]

Catherine Williams You don't get the show

[@my2l]

Rivera is overrated lol, he was a failed starter just like 99 percent of all relievers, had a 5.94 ERA as a starter before the Yankees forced him into the bullpen. I guarantee you if he pitched his entire career as a starter you would never even know his name. Relief pitching is way easier than starting as you don’t have to face the lineup multiple times, don’t have to deal with fatigue, and can get away with 1-2 pitches like Rivera did. I think Rivera probably should be in the hall cuz he was best in his role and holds the all time record in saves, but non of the other relievers like Hoffman or lee smith deserve to be in, Rivera also didn’t deserve to be in at 100% but the sheep writers voted for him anyway.

[@vestspet4242]

@@serpirt Apparently not.

[@t206kid]

100 facts

[@jamie49868]

Look at these guys 5 & 10 year peaks. They hold up against most of them. A couple years to get going, a few years winding down, and 10-15 HOF seasons between....the arc of a non PED player. All these guys are great. As for Jeter...if he did these things (like lead Pitt to 5 WS wins) with Pitt, he'd probably be held in higher esteem.

[@jordanmccallum8132]

You cannot argue his hall of fame numbers. Since when is playing 26 seasons a bad thing? That also makes u a hall of famer.

[@adenz2338]

YOU DONT GET THE SHOW

[@FAITHandLOGIC]

Such Jeter hate it's ridiculous. He has more hits than any Yankee in history, made some of the most memorable plays in history, 5 championships and I'm not going to repeat his stats because they speak for themselves. He was always one of the best SS in the game.

[@dasraven3418]

“58 seasons...” Hahahahahaha.

[@jameshudson169]

nolan ryan was definitely a compiler. 26yrs? 26 QUALITY years. that's HOF right there.

[@goodx_charlie4142]

7 No hitters 5,000 k's

[@mcleanse1382]

Nolan Ryan averaged over 200 strikeouts per year for 27 seasons and SEVEN no-hitters, that is not HoF worthy? There's only 30 pitchers that have ever thrown two no-hitters. And Jeter is 7th all-time in hits. And these guys are describing every hall of famer by the way; 20 years and compiling stats. Come on guys.

[@benjamm1nn]

He’s not a Hall of Famer with a clean helmet 😂😂😂😂

[@egg723]

Derek Jeter literally had a 119 wRC+ which is alright but not great, also he was the second best SS on his team after A-Rod

[@dylanspurlock6150]

Being able to put up consistently good numbers for 20 years. This idiot over here, "if you play 20 years you should have easily 4,000 years"

[@davidscott7626]

These guys are obviously delusional. Ryan, Jeter & especially Ripken are 3 of the greatest players in history. Biggio is very deserving as well.as far as Ripken, did they sleep through 1995?

[@kenrickkahn]

I'm not the biggest baseball fan and even I know overrated beside those names is crazy talk..

[@paulg6274]

Its very sane talk.

[@SkunkNWindow]

OMG my head hurts...Jeter, Ripken nor Ryan HOFers?????????

[@serpirt]

villain734 It's a joke, they're obviously not serious

[@Michael-ld9sr]

YOU DONT GET THE SHOW!!!!

[@nofthet583]

What were poll results?

[@elijahpfeifer6811]

How can you put the Pitcher with the most Strikeouts & the most no hitters thrown of all time not in the HOF. Actually think about for that a second.

[@kashshhds8824]

If bonds still isn’t in the hof I don’t think anyone should be a hof

[@chriswalkey2050]

Nolan Ryan is definitely a Hall of Famer but he is not even in the top 5 best Starters of all time and might not even be in the top 10

[@maniacmasturbator2411]

He’s a unique player. Crazy longevity, when he brought his A game, he was REALLY on. All those no hitters, 1 hitters, strikeouts, but was also a walk machine. He became better with his control when he got older. He’s just overrated by a lot of casuals. An obvious HOFer but many pitchers were better in their prime than Ryan was in his prime. The thing is, he was in his prime or near his prime forever. His durability was amazing.

[@danr154]

I get it this stuff is in jest but like.....why do people act like longevity isnt a worthy aspect of a hall of fame career? It's not all just about your 5 or 7 year peak. If you can even be an average MLB player past your 15th year that's very impressive.

[@jsans2520]

This show is extreme entertaining, they do say some ridiculous things but make fair points. Would I watch again? Probably 😂 conversations like this can be great to listen to if it all isn't taken too seriously lmao I mean come on, jeter Ripken and Ryan were still some of the best players to ever step a foot on a diamond, not THE absolute best but they were pretty great

[@taeeddismukes6664]

it’s so funny cause they get mad at guys who can play longer when most people can’t whose fault is that?😂

[@FAITHandLOGIC]

Derek Jeter was a compiler? Are you fucking kidding me?

[@one7deep7savage7]

Nolan Ryan is absolutely NOT overrated in any way.. DJ and Cal?....eh...umm. idk lol

[@grantgernes7394]

The relatively high percentage of dislikes on this video makes me think a lot of people took the bait on this, which is hilarious. This is fantastic trollery.

[@steveswangler6373]

Derek Jeter is not overrated. I hate the Yankees, but I would take Jeter on my team any day of the week. I’ve been saying Ripken is overrated for decades. Name anything he is know for outside of his consecutive games streak. One of the most overrated of all time. Nolan Ryan I think was a little overrated. Yes, he had longevity and kept that fastball forever, but what did he do in the big games when his team needed him most? Ryan is like bryce harper, fantastic talent but comes up short when needed the most.(no one mention last years playoffs without mentioning the entire Phillies line up hitting until the World Series, when Harper hit .200)- and I used to be a Phillies fan until the stupid owner decided to try the yankee way of running a team instead of building a minor league

[@Specshop.]

Don’t disrespect Nolan Ryan.. my father named me after that man #themanhimself

[@salvatoresultana4058]

Nolan Ryan that man in the Marlins hat should be fired for calling these guys compilers. If Jeter is a compiler, so is Drew Brees and Kobe and Jaromir Jagr.

[@gabebourgeois8964]

You guys don’t get the show.

[@kjsimon3]

So many people in the comments are getting so offended by their joking around. I get why. They probably don’t watch the show, but it’s still funny.

[@clintfowler1526]

Trolling at its finest..... they’re not completely wrong but you can tell how much they’re joking

[@mikeglenn5212]

Of the Yankees single season hit leaders Jeter hold 4 of the top ten spots.

[@jimmyjux3641]

are u crazy Nolan Ryan was a great pitcher first ballad easily

[@benjamm1nn]

Jimmy Jux Good try on the spelling...maybe next time

[@Thaeffintruth]

Some of these young guys are really just stupid lol .... Biggio can possibly be considered a compiler i think, and same with Ripken (his batting avg was not good at all) .... but Nolan Ryan and Derek Jeter were truly genuinely great players and def deserved every HOF vote they got

[@ralphvelez8984]

I give ripken the advantage over jeter.jeter played for the Yankees. Better team with a higher payroll.orioles haven't been relevant since ripken left

[@axkevin]

Nolan Ryan???? Bruh the strikeouts

[@danielwest9955]

Look at this show as a bizzaro inversion of 'The Dan Patrick Show' and it all makes sense. They're spoofing sports talk while actually discussing sports talk.

[@nickruby570]

“Compiling” as a concept is stupid and just pessimism trying to de-value consistently

[@mikeprattmusic1835]

The Troll is crazy

[@kyleteeter1807]

Years late, but Jim Thome

[@clintfowler1526]

This is what u get when u give marlins fans a platform... they say crazy stuff

[@braynk]

Miami is an overrated sports town 😁

[@razkable]

miami won 7 pro titles so...nah...

[@nohbuddy1]

Asmosis Jones Over 60 years

[@maxehrmann4985]

Not bad for a crazy ass party psycho town. Mostly Canes in the 80s. Dolphins are still the only SB winners undefeated. Heat were good, if ya count basketball.

[@DalonCole]

Anyone who says Ryan is not one of the top five game players of the game needs to quit smoking crack. He deserved 100% of the HOF vote.

[@Juveenyle]

This show still on the air 🤣

[@carsonc3314]

Is Tony Gwynn underrated?

[@Scorpio1025]

Jeter wasn’t the best offensive SS in his era because Arod and Teija were juicing

[@Scorpio1025]

IceCreamMan 79 actually my agreement is perfectly logical. Outside of HRs (since he didn’t juice) Jeter has better career numbers than either Arod or Tejada in AVG and # of hits + post season success.

[@stevenbresselsmith6906]

Yall high?

[@jodypresti94]

Derek Jeter, played 58 seasons? I've heard better analysis in a hotel bar. Garbage. Didi G? Clown show

[@hammerbu5h]

These guys aren't wrong.

[@zonzos1]

Hahahahaa just got into this show, hahahahahaha great! Young people, needing to use computers to see stats, don't know what are you talking about...

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

Check some of Ryan's accomplishments. No sane person would ever question this. The other 2, yeah, they're overrated for sure

[@razkable]

you dont get the show

[@Dizzle0919]

Robin Yount

[@WorldwideJamal]

Patrick Coleman Nope Try Again

[@Dizzle0919]

VideoSensei look up his year by year numbers his best 2 seasons he won MVP's the other seasons very average. He started his career at 19

[@NotExplicable]

LOL

[@garycantu5078]

How about Lebron? Isn't he a compiler?

[@nicksunfortune5718]

This is dumb.

[@justinalley3399]

nolan ryan wouldnt be able to pitch in today baseball

[@polish_american5736]

Any good yankee player ever “OvErRaTeD

[@ericheart1198]

Nah

[@MarkRogersVOCFB]

These clowns know absolutely nothing about baseball. How many guys hit .313 for their careers or lead the majors in strikeouts repeatedly?

[@adenz2338]

haha dummy

[@joerogaine3093]

Babe Ruth couldn't hit against today's pitchers. He was facing bums who were barely figuring out the game.

[@thunderousooner527]

That’s your opinion.

[@joerogaine3093]

@@thunderousooner527 He likely never faced a pitcher who threw over 90 mph

[@dustinbarnes778]

Trolls! Lol

[@NotJames37]

Shows sucks

[@imperealmurkin]

This is why no one watches this show

[@jonjhon8491]

It's most popular sports podcast in America. DERP

[@dasraven3418]

Clearly you don’t get the show.

[@Radiidee]

@@jonjhon8491 lol stupoodity

[@davek6989]

Not the brightest bunch, I wouldn't waste my time listening to these clowns. They do not know how to support their assertions.

[@punchsmack]

Dave K you missed the joke.

[@francalfred8092]

FIRST

[@cbrend22]

Ryan had over 5K strikeouts, 7 no hitters, 12 one hitters, 18 2 hitters. Wins mean NOTHING. All time lowest BA against, and dozens of other records. HOF batters will tell you he was the best ever. Ryan would have had 400 wins if he played with decent teams and often through over 140 pitches because he had no bull pen. Literally the most ignorant comment ever. I know they’re trying to stir things up ,but having to do it with stupidity is lazy and low end.

[@nohbuddy1]

All time walks highest whip and no cy young awards

[@PaperRaines]

Nolan Ryan is more legendary than un-hittable. When he was on he was great, but when he wasn't he got tagged. Hard I'd put Nolan in the..... top 15 starting pitchers of all time. All the usual suspects go ahead of him, like Randy Johnson, Clemens, Koufax, Gibson, Carlton, etc., and then Ryan can't go lower than 15. Maybe if he had a perfect game or more playoff moments then he'd be top 10 And hey.... I think top 15 in a century old sport is really good

[@thunderousooner527]

@@nohbuddy1 that’s because he pitched on crappy teams. The Award was a beauty contest who was on a great team. Nolan Ryan was on the miracle Mets.

[@thunderousooner527]

@@PaperRaines if Ryan was on the Yankees or a Championship team like those guys you would put him on a higher on your list. Clemens was a cheater.

[@nohbuddy1]

@@thunderousooner527 Doesn't matter

[@jamarthompson1350]

Just stop it in all sports you give credit for longevity, because a lot of players were great for short stents it’s about doing it consistently over time. And don’t ever disrespect jeter like that. 16 seasons of over 170 hits come on now

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

Well let's see = there is no pitcher that has EVER been better + has NEVER thrown as well; Cal Ripken, Jr. is EASILY the best overall short-stop to play modern baseball; Derek Jeter is the best overall player in modern baseball! #PointblankPERIOD #WhiteLogicStrikesAgain

[@huntersiler8860]

Andre Salazar k,mm

[@ethan3949]

Nolan Ryan no, cal Ripken sure, Jeter yes

[@leonzaduncan2438]

I hate the Yankees, but the man batted below. 290 only twice. He had 8 seasons of 200 hits, led the league in hits twice with 7 were he batted .320 or better.

[@ethan3949]

Leonza Duncan he was statistically the worst fielder of all time

[@leonzaduncan2438]

@@ethan3949 he statistically one of the best hitting shortstops of all-time.

[@ethan3949]

Leonza Duncan but ppl know that and ppl also think he’s a great defensive ss. He’s still a top shortstop but it doesn’t mean he’s not overrated

[@leonzaduncan2438]

@@ethan3949 you be surprised at a lot people who doesn't think so.