I've solved the Derek Jeter debate.

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[@rycolligan]

Rickey Henderson, the all time greatest lead-off man in the history of the sport, got 94.8% of the vote, which is scientific evidence that baseball writers eat paint chips.

[@SonofHsu16]

@John Doe I mean jeter was black and was unanimous and Ruth didn’t get 100% of the vote in 32 so I don’t think it was a race thing just they all drink room temperature water thing like psychopaths thing

[@scsmith4604]

I never will forget the day he broke the stolen base record. He makes some speech about how he is the greatest of all time. Then Nolan Ryan threw his 7th NoNo. That did not last long, Ricky.

[@realwiggles]

@@scsmith4604 what does throwing a no hitter have to do with stealing bases

[@ARMTOAST]

@@scsmith4604 this is the dumbest comment i’ve read in years

[@realwiggles]

@@scsmith4604 remember when Nolan Ryan won a cy young..greatest of all time

[@jimmygoodman722]

Derek Jeter will always walk in the shadow of Tim Locastro

[@TheChexMix]

tim locastro is currently walking in the shadow of andrew heany

[@grahamulrich257]

facts

[@RobertLPeeters]

Tim LoCastro is the 🐐.

[@maneyac16]

Number of torn ACLs going hard for the Yanks: T-Lo: 1 Jeets: 0 Simple math really

[@adrnaline]

this shit had me crying, probably one of the funniest youtube comments i’ve ever seen

[@zacharylomas7005]

I'm torn between the two camps. On one hand I believe in the importance of advanced SABRmetrics to accurately evaluate a player. But on the other hand . . . I'm Italian.

[@mattd3245]

Gabagool

[@Stunsify]

Italian or a pervert?

[@matthewbowerman6196]

Now this is facts

[@Im-_-Ghidorah]

@@Stunsify ain’t that the same thing?

[@belcavendishny]

@@Im-_-Ghidorah andrew is an embarassment to his heritage and his family name. don't even get me started

[@stevenmeister2168]

My only issue with this presentation is that “ringzzz” should have 5 z’s one for each ring. 5/10

[@josephedwards1074]

More like 5/7

[@tfuhl]

R2NG2

[@belcavendishny]

shouldn't your rating be 3/5, since bailey did in fact put in 3 zs out of the 5 that were supposed to be there?

[@Rob-vy6zx]

RingZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[@brabhamfreaman166]

@@belcavendishny Damn you! I waited 2.5mins for my internet to un-f5€k itself to say exactly this. So also, thank you. And we’ll done.

[@ryankolsch6297]

counter point to "every single other player other than Derek Jeter is underrated": Mariano Rivera got 100% of the vote, therefore he must be the MOST fairly rated player in MLB history

[@niceguy909]

but he got more than Jeter so he is overrated

[@tsukikotsutsukakushi9339]

He got the assignment

[@brandonsolis6911]

But how many hot celebrities did he date?

[@georgemartin5980]

I think I've heard about Mo from more non-fans than Jeter.

[@gamemeister27]

@@georgemartin5980 That's gotta be some like regional influence on your sample or something. I had never even heard of Rivera until like last year, but you bet your ass I knew who Derek Jeter was

[@codnewbgamer]

“If some of you are hyper aware of Derek Jeter’s defensive metrics, the idea of physical exercise is probably terrifying to you” I haven’t been this lit up in years

[@ndrocca]

This feels like a Talking Points presentation in Jackbox and I loved every second of it

[@ianpadilla2685]

Derek Jeter is the second most fairly rated. Mariano Rivera is the most fairly rated

[@nathancarroll7347]

This is a very great point. We all agree he’s the best closer ever and move on. I would argue Griffey is up there too. We all love Griffey

[@calebpeterson3117]

Came here to say the same thing

[@jackhumbach9086]

Jeter should have been 100 percent but so should Griffy and others like him

[@richard_nj]

but mariano rivera is undoubtedly greater at what he did than jeter. by foolish logic, mo is still underrated a bit.

[@ProgShell]

I thought this started being a shitpost but it veered into being what I can only describe as the thesis of Baseball Bits and then veered right back to shitpost lane.

[@dannyc.2039]

There was a moment in there where I was like “YEAH WHAT HE SAID”

[@soarinskies1105]

@@dannyc.2039 it was probably at the end where he tried to defend Derek Jeters defensive metrics by saying he is the Owner of the Marlins and hire the first Female GM. As far as I’m concerned Derek Jeter is doing a worse job as Owner of the Marlins than Geoffrey Loria, and that is saying something.

[@dannyc.2039]

@@soarinskies1105 they’re rebuilding the farm, he’s doing fine.

[@fluffly3606]

@@soarinskies1105, Loria-era Marlins: achieve success Geoffrey Loria: immediately dismantles the team 2020 Marlins: achieve success Sherman/Jeter: doesn't immediately dismantle the team yea I dunno about that one chief, and that's not even mentioning how the 2020 Marlins couldn't have happened in the first place without the good managing they received

[@AlexSmith-tz2lf]

Not enough people are saying what a great job you've done for the KZbin community by practicing your presentations in front of prestigious universities of learning so you can perfect the content I watch when I sit on the toilet. What a legend.

[@mitchgoulson2294]

“If you talk smack about Derek Jeter’s defensive metrics, you’re a misogynist.”

[@Zack-wq2hl]

"this stat is cherry pick and you are bias" -Foolish Baseball himself, 2021

[@harrisonbaylor1432]

The fact that Babe Ruth did not get 100% of the votes is evidence that there are most likely voters who have never actually watched baseball but just vote for the coolest names.

[@RetroBaseball]

I can confirm, I am a weird little nerd.

[@daboys00]

Yes yes you are

[@DniawSirhc]

Does that mean that Mariano Rivera is properly rated as he got 100% of the HOF votes

[@michaelcooke5695]

No that means Mariano is the only overrated player in MLB history.

[@swirlingtoilets]

"Let's remove all other baseball players you could compare him to. On his own, Jeter earned all of this" God this channel is so good lmao

[@waltertaylor4665]

"Thank you for listening to my xTed talk" - Bailey in a discarded script (probably)

[@MeV2100]

mike trout has more playoff HRs, RBIs, and a higher OPS vs Kansas City than derek jeter. checkmate buddy.

[@williamwoods8977]

Vs Kansas city

[@hirshja]

@@williamwoods8977 r/woosh

[@greengriffin7758]

Congratulations on solving it Bailey! Awaiting the Nobel Prize announcement

[@mattmurphy5805]

“Jeter is more famous than isiah kiner falefa” Debatable. I saw the the rangers exit the team plane once and there were tons of people who were screaming his name. He had quite a fan base over there.

[@vsauce4678]

Doesn’t count.

[@swurviie]

short porch, counts

[@sanderappel4499]

I also highly doubt anyone there was screaming Jeter's name, so

[@fluffly3606]

to be fair that name is fun to say

[@Mewyabby]

As a woman I sign off on the closing point. Especially as a 90s born Yankees fan who played MI.

[@julianmorales-silva160]

Now that’s a lie, everyone knows women don’t exist. There are only men, men and of course, the ghost of Mike Piazzas mustache which gives birth to more men every year.

[@maxcumming4880]

bailey, clearly you didn’t go to a southern connecticut high school in 2014, or else you’d know that “RE2PECT” is pronounced “ree-two-pect” (and you would also say it constantly for years afterward)

[@bradenculver7457]

I like how Bailey upgraded his production levels on this one, the libreoffice slideshows Foolish Baseball does just don't cut it like powerpoint does

[@JCmkwii]

I love how this channel started as high-class behind-the-scene youtube videos and now is just shitposting

[@icarusmarioFAN]

As any good second channel should be

[@no_reason2755]

Larry Walker has 1 more WAR than Derek Jeter with 4200 less at bats and plays right field over shortstop

[@bryanzzz748]

I found the weird little nerd online!

[@WerdThorton]

@@bryanzzz748 he didn’t say anything bad about Jeter. He said some unbiased stats

[@bryanzzz748]

@@WerdThorton You’re right, but he brought up WAR, and that’s a little online nerd stat. I only care about RBIs let’s go baby 27 rings go yankees

[@louisminati]

Kenny Lofton has like 5 less lol

[@Yoda35421]

So if jeter played a decent right field would that really have taken away from the hate of a Yankee who won multiple titles? No they’d hate him even more and complain that he didn’t play shortstop.

[@ThorHC11]

I have always been baffled by the fact that we choose to further distinguish HOFers amongst each other - I mean, it's the Hall of Fame, it's the absolute pinnacle of sports achievement.

[@benjaminanderson6016]

I disagree. Just as someone is or isn’t a hall of famer, some people in the HOF deserve to be inner circle members. Ted Williams, Ruth, etc are freaks among freaks, if that makes sense. Making it to the MLB doesn’t mean that you should be treated the same as Juan Soto or Kershaw, who are more distinguished than the average player in the MLB. In both cases, however, ANYONE who makes it to the MLB or HOF deserves massive respect, just some more than others.

[@mr.mashedpotatoes2597]

Seems like something someone who isn't in the inner circle would say

[@greatloverofmusic1]

I think the most important thing to remember is that baseball fans, myself included, love a good debate of "who's better".

[@joelambert7128]

@@greatloverofmusic1 there is almost no point in following professional sports if you aren't going to pick favourites.

[@greatloverofmusic1]

@@joelambert7128 Well you used the operative word; almost. The NFL & CFB, are extra popular because of gambling, not the love of the game. I watch sports, baseball in particular, for the love of the game. Yes I have favorites, but I do love playing devil's advocate and having a friendly debate. Plus our favorite players aren't necessarily the "best". Cheers

[@BrokenGoldfishFilms]

"Everyone one is underrated " What I hear : Sport Mccallister is underated

[@korn.on.jacob.]

Bailey giving us the insight on the true problems in our world.

[@seda_11]

The dating diamond had me fucking dead lmao

[@cousineddie9411]

I'd like to see a Cal Ripken and Derek Jeter comparison. Stat and award wise obviously. Cal won't beat Jeter in a popularity contest whatsoever. It just would be nice to see who's the better player.

[@squirrelguy2195]

Metrics suggest it's Ripken. Jeter was probably the better overall hitter but Ripken was the better overall shortstop. Both are rightfully in the Hall of Fame so it really doesn't matter to me personally.

[@cousineddie9411]

@@squirrelguy2195 agreed

[@alexbenton6306]

I mean it’s most definitely Ripken

[@3stars.00]

it’s cal, it’s easily cal. and that’s coming from a yankees fan

[@TheGodYouWishYouKnew]

Cal had a lot of off-years and put himself above the team with his streak.

[@wbdrugstrat]

That was an amazing ending to the video. I was fixing an appliance, just listening to the video while working away. The last point made me laugh out loud. Great video.😅👍

[@fredbird7257]

This is probably your funniest video. Keep up the good work.

[@paulcantave8492]

Bailey never told me to open my eyes. I’m now blind.

[@sayanchatterjee8399]

That's a lovely way to resolve the conflict! Great work!

[@antondavis33]

S-tier video. Genuinely loved it. That line “you look like me” made me spit take all over my living room but it was worth it. Great work 👍👍

[@tomfoolery5844]

4:37 that’s my favorite thing I’ve ever heard you say

[@yankeeshater]

I'm very dumb and don't get it. What am I missing?

[@vsk1494]

What did he mean by that ?

[@aaronthatcher3552]

Yeah I don’t get it

[@DPaul-lt8iu]

@@yankeeshater It goes back to when Mariah was 19 she was told her right side was her good side and now it's the only way she'll pose for photos

[@ajwootz8165]

This is put together about as well as my 5th grade science presentation on how many planets there are(it's 9 btw)

[@muddhutter]

Actually there are 8 planets. Pluto is no longer considered a planet.

[@RobertLPeeters]

Joey from da Bronx seems like a reasonable guy.

[@EnjoySackLunch]

the Larry Walker / ID joke reminded me of the time Dustin Pedroia actually DID get IDed trying to get into the players entrance at Coors field during the 07 ws

[@whitesoxchat]

It's wild how this started SO FUNNY and ended up making some great points. Great work, FB!

[@richardtherichard26]

Don’t forget that jeter career was literally a movie, 3000th hit was a homer, his last hit at Yankee stadium was a walk off. The dude literally lived every kids dream every day

[@Its_Argo]

Exactly

[@realwiggles]

No way, it was a weak oppo blooper against an expensive double-a team. The hit being overrated definitely fits the theme though. Actually, i take it back; that walk-off really was the perfect way to cap off his career.

[@edwardforrest5114]

Probably the best closing line of any video you’ve ever done.

[@owenex9]

Thank you my friend are nerds and argue about this with me all the time

[@JessmanChicken86]

This is what we've all been waiting for. And, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@derekwalker87]

You're amazing. Excited to see where you land in a few short years. Thanks for the laughs.

[@carsonc3314]

"If you go & ask someone on the street who is not a Baseball fan..." Ya but what if I'm roaming the streets of Osaka?

[@joshuadeschutter8332]

munenori kawasaki for sure

[@Pigletsyes]

Definitely Matt Murton

[@cstinybaby]

i know it was in the 1930’s but how did babe ruth not get 100%? who were the 4.9% that said babe ruth wasn’t a hall of famer?

[@greenfroppy212]

Probably salty Red Sox fans.

[@alexandrewoodworth8563]

Thank you for the very in depth content mr baseball

[@scottcarter6623]

As an old guy I always like Jeter when I watched him live. Hated the Yankees, but Jeter was the one guy you gave respect to. It wasn't because he was the best, but because you always felt like he was giving 100%. This was partly just a cultivated image, but there was some kernel of truth to it. Everybody hated A-Rod despite his skills. I watch baseball from 1987 to now so I saw Jeter's entire run. He was one of the mythical figures of that time. Sometimes sports is just about larger that life stories.

[@Its_Argo]

Exactly

[@jared2636]

Hey Bailey, I’m still waiting on opening up my eyes on the exercise, when do I get to see?

[@jackgreco2864]

When ppl bring up his defensive metrics they always conveniently forget about his 5 gold gloves at shortstop

[@donfromregularshow4469]

u mean the five gold gloves he got purely cuz of his fame and not his actual mediocre defense?

[@jackgreco2864]

@@donfromregularshow4469 he was only a mediocre defender late in his career. Not easy to play shortstop for 20 years. Plus the guy made every big time play throughout his entire career. Absolute winner

[@Its_Argo]

@@donfromregularshow4469 you are just so wrong

[@cutmeloosebruce1955]

@@jackgreco2864 If by big time play you mean his jump throw thats basically standard for a good defensive SS, then yes

[@jackgreco2864]

@@cutmeloosebruce1955 big time I mean rly good/great plays in big games like playoff and ws games

[@charleskummerer]

All time content. Im gonna start using powerpoint in my day to day deliberations with my friends, gf, and family

[@StephenJNesbitt]

invest in a DJ+ metric that normalizes player value across space and time so that all players are properly rated

[@pamkay1756]

I accidentally came upon this video while perusing crime videos... Very good. I agree. Excellent points.

[@jamesmoltres8623]

maybe my favorite video of you, mr foolish. just the way you made your argument especially from the middle to the end is much the way i allign my beliefs. love ya

[@TheDiamondBaseball]

I, for one, am very excited to watch him give this talk at the Sloan Sports Analytics Conference next year

[@brianhanna6120]

I knew the wojaks we’re coming

[@bombersbeat1470]

How did you get a picture of my uncle Joey from da bronx?

[@bradenstewart6270]

Good thing the Marlins are so good no one can doubt Jeter’s greatness now

[@soldemers7809]

Do you know what a rebuild is?

[@Qball42]

@@soldemers7809 Yeah, and the Marlins haven't yet proven they're doing it well. They won pandemic baseball, sure, but then they sold lots of their talent again the next year. So perhaps it's a re-re-build?

[@absolutezero3523]

@@Qball42 the fact that they did not take 2020 as an accurate measure of how good their team was is a sign that this rebuild is in fact being done properly. They should be a threat to the NL East by 2025.

[@bv7078]

This was an awesome video! SUBSCRIBED👍

[@Domancave]

This was better than all 3 lectures I sat through today

[@billny33]

Epic content. I'm a Yankee fan and a Jeter fan and I can't even be mad. Great stuff here.

[@digitalmojave]

The arbitrary weaponization of the word misogynist at the end was the most beautiful, modern thing.

[@maxfrye3494]

This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen

[@thegreg5941]

I could not put it into words better bailey fantastic job but I believe you should put a cool theme as the background of your next power point presentation

[@DHVF28]

Lmao I have Tatis, Semien, and IKF on my fantasy team.

[@jeremymccommons7741]

Oml guys Derek Jeter is more famous than Isiah Kiner-Falefa. That is so crasy.

[@nicklwells]

truly earth shattering stuff here but will go under the radar

[@13calde]

Super enjoyable this one, top video!!

[@notsteverogers7410]

I genuinely loves these vids

[@blantant]

Solid presentation. Love it.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Im the nerd guy in most discussions then I turn into Joey for the Jeter debate

[@ethanwhite7127]

Really loved that closing point

[@fieryydawn]

What a spectacular presentation

[@badsamaritan5709]

need more of this content

[@TyranoTortoise]

This is the most fairly un-nonbiased video and I absolutely 💯 agree with absolutely everything

[@blessd24]

I believe it's annoying what has happened with Jeter because it's a subconscious recognition of how the media hyping something that benefits them SUCKS.

[@Its_Argo]

You’re right, literally nobody thought these things 5-8 years ago

[@therealjrb5140]

first, also I was just telling my friend today how A-rod is better than Jeter so what a coincidence.

[@kurtgulbro1542]

Of course he is, look at any statistic besides tes caught using steroids

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

I don’t think arod needed steroids

[@personalaccount6477]

how do we have such vague but similar profile pics

[@therealjrb5140]

@@personalaccount6477 idk mine is just my thumb over my camera

[@therealjrb5140]

@@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs He hit 696 Homer with them and I bet he could hit 500 without them. Maybe he'd walk less due to team not fearing his power as much and his slugging would prob go down but he'd still be a first ballet hall of famer and better than jeter

[@masterpingxiaopo7746]

You should make a video for the MVP debate this season

[@croke835]

Can you do a video on why Mattingly isn’t in the HOF

[@denistuohy2535]

I’d love to see that or a Dave Parker, Dale Murphy, Lou Whittaker or Thurman Munson

[@croke835]

@@denistuohy2535 I think Thurman is probably not in because he just didn’t play enough, but a 7 time all star, 3 time gold glove winner and an MVP in 11 years to go with 2 World Series rings should be in

[@denistuohy2535]

@@croke835 yeah my rationale is, he died in plane crash while he was in the prime of his career, he was clearly on track to be in and there was a legitimate argument as to who was the best out of Fisk, Bench, and Munson while they were all playing.

[@chuckwagon9973]

Camp 3: You are a Red Sox fan You say Derek Jeter is bad, you know Derek Jeter is good. Big Papi is the greatest most famous baseball player in the world ask anybody* *in Boston

[@mr.johnson9252]

I love this sort of budget baseball bits

[@dwayne.891]

Somewhere this almost became a Barry Larkin video. I am ashamed I underrated him so much! (Great video by the way, first time seeing this guy and almost exited the video but was funny/ridiculous at times but brought it all home with a real compelling argument that I thought was almost impossible at the beginning.)

[@adamlubas768]

Best positive masculinity message, everyone else is underrated. Bring others up.

[@dylanmcneill1061]

You make great videos bro, please continue

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

my conclusion: Derek Jeter is... a baseball player. Controversial, I know.

[@federicopavone9997]

One of the weirdest but actually best vids I've seen in a while

[@DPK365]

Have to love the high level of quality here LOL

[@chancefishingtx]

Love all your vids, you’re the best 😂

[@nicholaso4302]

Griffey would’ve been the first unanimous if he played anywhere but seattle and Cincinnati… (and Chicago for that)

[@chrisfloyd7316]

The amount of comedy you pull of from so little is astonishing

[@thelawofdivineoneness458]

What debate? Jeter is in the Hall of Fame. They didn't call him "Captain Clutch" for nothing. End of debate.

[@willyboods5197]

I need to meet the 5 percent of writers who didn’t think Ruth should’ve been in the hall

[@thomasnewton8223]

Remember when defensive metrics didn’t matter and weren’t reliable until Derek Jeter was a near unanimous HoF vote?

[@denistuohy2535]

Yeah right

[@liamkelly4684]

You forgot the third camp: the people who refuse to like him because he played for the Yankees.

[@Its_Argo]

That’s literally every jester hater 😂

[@deachelo]

been hearing people say this recently

[@badassfroslass]

I believe the most fairly rated player in the history of the MLB is Dinty Gearin who deserved zero HoF votes and received zero HoF votes

[@davidwalker8658]

great video. I feel like this could be applied to alot of things in life. rather then trashing someone maybe the better thing to do is left other up who deserves it.

[@eliaskraus1972]

This is my favorite youtube channel. It has recently surpassed that crappy, know-it-all Foolish Baseball channel.

[@SirLuciferVampiro]

Very nice take on the Jeter debate.....Very sensible....