Were Dorner's Complaints Legitimate? Who Burned the Cabin?

[@edgarcisneros7874]

dissmiss a man over and over a furious and uncontrollable anger comes out . Can you hear him now.

[@phowe001]

"Who Burned the Cabin?" That's a stupid question...the cops burned it, of course!

[@thegreatescapethesagaconti6923]

On this anniversary of Dorners death, what became of the FULL investigation into his claims?

[@TheGibbertini]

The fire was completely intentional.

[@phyromhuy7505]

It’s absolutely terrifying to know the media can and will report the news however they see fit. Not an ounce of truth from the police

[@Dervy]

There's another video online also of a Live TV news recording just before the cabin on fire was shown, of a police offer saying "burn it down!". Telling you, police burnt the cabin.

[@luchpockets]

Yes, Dorner telling this about the LAPD is disturbing... "They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions".

[@TheYoungTurks]

Do you think the police intentionally set the cabin on fire?

[@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209]

No.

[@ms.shunte8323]

Yes

[@mothra__13]

the lapd went and proved dorner's points for him. love it.

[@theWolfofVaca]

Even today Christopher is a hero, a pig hunter. His name will live on

[@jasonwhitehurst7576]

So if they didn't mean to set it on fire, yet the audio of the incident states "set it on fire". "Follow the burn". "burners deployed we have a fire".

[@retrotd]

Two words: due process. It involves a trial by a jury of his peers to decide if he's guilty. It prevents the officials from simply saying guilty and offing anyone they feel is a threat to their establishment.

[@anonymous9556-q7j]

Really? The found his drivers license... again? I remember they claimed they found his wallet and license near the US-Mexico border about six days ago.

[@Stabby666]

Exactly - they even moved the news crews out of range (I was watching the whole thing last night) just before they went in and set fire to the cabin. He tried to get out, and they just pushed him back in to get burned to death. Some of them started hooting and cheering and the captain is in the audio telling them to "keep it together". There was no way they would have ever tried to arrest him - they just wanted to murder him. As per normal LAPD operating procedure.

[@3521soda]

innocent individuals? those cops deserved to die i have a lot of respect for chris dorner

[@antoniovenegas5717]

The cops burned him alive.

[@retrotd]

The order of events I heard was the fire started, then the single shot.

[@MusicAgainstHate]

WOW I just watched that super biased common documentary on him and when they show the part about the smoke in the cabin they simply have the audio say ‘we have a fire’ nothing else at all! I thought.. he said that like it’s a good thing that they wanted? And now I hear the audio where it was what they wanted. That documentary is the ONLY one I can find!! So someone needs to do a real documentary that is not biased. If he was predjudiced he would of killed all the white hostages, three he had the option to kill and he’d of benefited more from that yet he didn’t as it wasn’t about race for him.. RIP Chris Dorner and respect to the disfigured officer, it’s a shame he wasn’t killed instead.. that officer is the only one I feel bad for.

[@xephyr1000]

Dead men tell no tales.

[@mixmasterv86]

did she say international manhunt? wtf

[@alonzo9772]

How were police so sure there weren't any hostages in the cabin, and just Dorner was there?

[@titotrees5873]

POLICE STATE PEOPLE. DONER SHOWS US THAT

[@lilvin69]

i dont loose slep when pigs die

[@HurricaneGamesLife]

R.I.P Christopher Dorner

[@ScreamingForClemency]

i have seen this burn tactic a few times before (not specifically LAPD). they like to use that accidental pyrotechnic excuse.

[@yaymes8778]

I think things like this are bound to happen more often then usual. Due to the corruption of majority of government powers, and people actually becoming aware of these things- a rebellion is soon to come if the truth isn't announced to the people, and if things don't change. Thank you Dorner, for making a change.

[@Waltham1892]

I was an officer during the time Dorner was and I knew him by reputation, he and I were both former military officers who became police officers. Dorner could not understand that his military service did not equate to being a good police officer. As a result, when he learned he was getting an “unsat” on a probationer's rating he beefed his training officer. He was no hero. He was no martyr. He was rigid, arrogant, and murdered civilians to prove his moral superiority.

[@jiujitsuguy74]

@kaysandesses uh huh. And how many victims do the LAPD make a year, do you think? But oh no, Dorner is the bad one.

[@WobblesandBean]

There is no doubt in my mind that the cops burned the cabin down deliberately. And you know what? Let's look at the grievous crimes that they've done trying to catch this guy: - Assault with a deadly weapon - Attempted murder of a minor - Reckless endangerment - Arson. And not one of them will be help to task for their crimes. Not one of them will have to pay one penny to all of the property damage and medical bills they've incurred onto innocent civilians.

[@cardplayer07]

Same old story. This has been going on for decades.

[@THEFrankieFlo_]

Have they confirmed that this Joe Jones fellow actually exists? I smell a fish. He only joined Facebook to post that "Manifesto" and I dragged his image to Google Image Search and I found 2 instances where the same photo he purports to be himself were posted in 2007 and 2008, by completely random people.

[@LONEWOLFNOCLUB]

Sounds like Waco all over again

[@JACKZTHERIPPER]

Nothing wrong with law abiding citizen owning fire arms but it is the Federal and State government's job to stop people like Christopher Dorner from getting weapons

[@LesterBrunt]

I seriously don't get why this guy gets all the support he gets. Killing families of cops, hiding out for days, having a hour long shootout with the police and finally they decide to burn him out? What is the big deal? What were they supposed to do? Put a cup of coffee infront of the door and ask him if he wants to come out please? He had days to give himself up but he wanted to go out in a bang, he got that.

[@enlightendbel]

Also, going to this extent to kill someone instead of arresting him really shouldn't fly in any modern society.

[@EverydayDesigner]

Due process is dead

[@BaronOfHell666]

And what if the cops shoot first?

[@ProtectAndServe22]

"Quite strongly" is a huge understatement. The LAPD almost killed 2 random innocient people because they drove a truck that was similar to Dorners.

[@LesterBrunt]

they gassed the house, gass caught fire, Dorner decided to shoot instead of walking out. Why didn't he walk out? I mean it is not as if he never had the time to give himself up, he just didn't wanted to. He wanted to do everything he could to kill the police who were assigned to get him. They cornered him, they gassed him, he stayed there shooting and even killing a sherif deputy, then they gassed him more, place caught fire and he took his own life. I really don't see the problem.

[@kris6682]

he could have been called a terrorist in the same way that the people involved in the ows movement have been called terrorists. anyone who opposes the government these days is called a terrorist. god forbid you actually protest or practice civil disobedience. both of those things can get you labeled a domestic terrorist today and mlk encouraged and led both. as for the founding fathers they kind of started a movement to overthrow their government.

[@ULTRXBLXCK]

They burnt the cabin down, they wanted to kill him in the most inhumane way possible.

[@AbuQalam]

Great report, well balanced and appropriate. We should all thank Dorner for saying the things many in the media refuse to address. LAPD are one example of state power gone wild without checks or balances. There are no tears for the hundreds of innocent civilians shot by the LAPD and either justified or swept under the rug. Unfortunately as police corruption becomes even more endemic there will certainly be more episodes of this nature, as police are not held to account for their crimes.

[@bob321493]

Those cops who lit the cabin should be charged with manslaughter they had the building surrounded for Christs sake, police officers should be held to the same standard as any person

[@alzeimer5399]

Here's Chris Dorner's story in a nutshell: Chris Dorner , college grad, ex Navy officer, had a million dollar resume and could have gone on to do great things. Instead he sat around wallowing in self pity for 5 years until he went nuts and started killing complete strangers. He said he hated LAPD, but acted butt-hurt because LAPD didn't want him. Anybody see the problem with that?

[@DeadlyChinchilla]

And to be blunt about it, this man was on the run to survive. People who do this much to escape do not set their own cabins on fire then shoot themselves in the head, conveniently leaving an ID behind next to their charred body. There is zero reason they couldn't take Dorner alive and try him for his crimes. Save the LAPD decided not to.

[@LesterBrunt]

Listen, this guy wasn't hunted down cause he didn't pay his income taxes. He wasn't cornered and flushed out cause he wouldn't want to put his hands upon his head. The guy was ready to kill any cop that stood in his way. He was in a 4 hour firefight with the cops before they tried to flush him out. This isn't an ordinary situation. If you can't be apprehended without having people getting shot and/or die they will have to resort to more drastic measures, like taking you out.

[@LesterBrunt]

That is one unconfirmed rumor, there is no actual source to that statement saying he was pushed back in.

[@WobblesandBean]

I wonder if they're guilty of a hate crime for blindly shooting at black people , in crowded public areas, thinking they were the perp.

[@retrotd]

So, you're saying Dorner's death has racist undertones. Then you just made the argument that the police are out of control and went out of their way to make sure Dorner died.

[@retrotd]

Why can't everyone who's had a family member murdered be allowed eye for an eye justice? What about when a doctor's incompetence get a patient killed? Can we skip a malpractice suit and/or loss of license and simply cap em?

[@SperaSF]

I feel like when Ana says "Dorner handled the situation incorrectly" kind of understates the ridiculous things that scumbag did. Keep in mind, that no matter how shitty the LAPD are, he started this rampage by murdering two totally innocent people in a parking lot. That merits a little more than "handled it wrong."

[@OukaKisa]

I don't like the idea of a police force investigating itself

[@DeadlyChinchilla]

What a ridiculous question. He was up against an entire police force armed like a military unit. ONE man, and they couldn't take him alive. Don't pretend they couldn't have waited him out so they could try him properly. He couldn't have had enough ammunition to keep firing for a few minutes straight, much less a prolonged encounter.

[@mahe8158]

If a man without a badge commits constitutional injustices on another man it's considered a crime. A man with a badge commits constitutional injustices on a man (us citizen) and its grounds for a promotion. WTF has this country come to? Welcome to Judge Dredd.

[@AD-Dom]

It's weird how the 'international manhunt' never left California. Congratulations on your journalistic integrity ABC.

[@alzeimer5399]

How was his life destroyed? So LAPD didn't want him, so what? He was a college grad, ex Navy officer, he had a million dollar resume, could have gone on to do anything he wanted, instead he sat around for 4 years feeling butt-hurt and sorry for himself.

[@LesterBrunt]

"Where's the attempt to try and arrest him when they burn a house down around him?" Well how do you propose you arrest a man who is shooting at you from his truck?

[@LesterBrunt]

yeah, it is so kind to kidnap 2 people and possibly use them as hostages. The length people go to sympathise with a malicious madman is astonishing.

[@modelmajorpita]

No, you read them their rights, tell them to drop their weapon, and if they don't comply THEN you shoot them. That's basic law enforcement, and there are three innocent people that wouldn't have been shot if the LAPD had obeyed the rule of the law. Instead they shot at cars without warning. Being a cop doesn't put you above the law and the constitution.

[@ninjapig2012]

Who burned the cabin isn't even a question anymore. There are recordings of police on their scanners yelling to "burn the motherfucker down. burn the cabin down!"

[@marksierra3522]

Dorner was a hero.

[@godslove0609]

He killed four people. I don't have a problem with how the police handled this situation. If he did not want to get burned in the fire he should have came out of the cabin.

[@stephenzatezalo3963]

I do not condone the way Doner handled this but he did what he felt had to be done, the way he felt it needed to be done. He tried it the leagal way and as per Doner it was covered up and he was put to blame. If the law was equal it might work but the law is not equal unless you have a gun. and again it will be burried again.

[@ToxcynTV]

They burned it down on purpose because they didnt want to get close enough to lose more cops in a gun battle.

[@grausammesser]

While I would question the the rationale of starting a fire in the woods to flush someone out, it doesn't sound any worse than having a full on exchange of gunfire. I think they had more than enough backing for using deadly force in this instance. The guy showed on multiple occasions that he was not going to be taken alive. If they did set it alight in order to flush him out, that is *not* the same as setting it alight and making sure he stays inside. It's subtle, but a huge difference.

[@modelmajorpita]

And that excuses the LAPD violating the law and harming three innocent people how? If Dorner was still a cop, would you be apologizing for his shooting people and breaking the law as well?

[@agelessrocker]

Here's a thought. If you want your day in court, stop shooting at the cops!

[@wemetee]

Finally, someone is talking about this. Finally! My theory: Christopher was shot and killed in the shootout with the police. They knew this and even saw his dead body. They decided to burn down the cabin with his corpse in it.

[@kdeezo326]

Because you said, "the minute you use violence as a tool to gain exposure, I shut you down, PERIOD." I just wanted to see if you were hard standing or just saying that about Chris Dorner.

[@RainbowMuse2]

The police burned the cabin. The video is on the internet. It was also linked to on /b/ and probably still is. The cops were saying "burn him" "burn the cabin to the ground" just before they set it on fire. Anyone who says it was Dorner is wrong.

[@TecumsehSherman36]

THEY FRAMED THE GUY IN ORDER TO HAVE A REASON TO KILL HIM, TO SHUT HIM UP. THAT'S WHAT COPS DO AND TRAIN FOR.

[@TheOfficialLC1991]

KZbin video is not there & Article is not found...... please check links

[@retrotd]

This is exactly why we need much stricter gun ownership laws. While the resourceful criminal will still get them, we'll be able to prevent simple opportunists getting them.

[@hardcorefakes12]

I do agree that corruption in the LAPD does exist. I have no argument here; there is no reason why anybody would shoot at civilians.

[@stephenzatezalo3963]

I have made a 911 call that was not answered several years ago. Maybe thats why I have little respect for 911.

[@Jex134]

The real problem is that our institutionalized protection for Police not only protects them from civilian charges, but from other Police, as seen with the Dorner case, where an Officer was openly fired for reporting a peers crimes. . Usually what happens is an Officer reports another, the case is instinctively dismissed by a biased (and suddenly confused) Judge, leaving the "rats" and "bullies" in the same room, allowing Good Cops to be squeezed out by the Bad, which we're seeing nation wide....

[@LesterBrunt]

You are not talking about some street thug on the run, this was a very well trained individual, he wasn't stopped by a house full of tear gass and as far as I know they also used flash bangs but it didn't matter, the guy knew how to handle a situation like that cause of his background, making him an even more dangerous individual, warranting even more drastic measures to make sure he doesn't continue to be threat.

[@retrotd]

He needed to surrender for them to arrest him. I'm as a citizen of the US do not require 10 cops to die to arrest one man. However, I'll put money down they didn't bother to negotiate at all.

[@meiyue85]

LAPD doesn't follow proper procedures. They are famous for fucking up and no they should not have set the cabin on fire. They should have tried to negotiate with him so that he would come out or keep an eye on the place till he exited on his own. They just wanted to get him out as quickly as possible, in the worst way.

[@pietrocedeno8357]

i like how no one was angry that the police almost burnt a forest down.

[@06mustangCE]

Another report said that he had tried to escape the cabin once it caught on fire but the police pushed him back in. That report has since disappeared, but I don't doubt it.

[@DunloopMusic]

"Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion." So how exactly are protests acts of terrorism ?

[@finalsight]

cough...cough...Waco...cough

[@saneagain2002]

I just said they *DID* use tear gas canisters that do not start fires. THEY WERE INEFFECTIVE. The hot tear gas canisters produce more volume of gas and are, therefore, more effective. Yes, they carry a known risk, so does placing several armed police around a mountain cabin. The police could have used flash-bang grenades too. Would you have belly-ached if the suspect were injured by them? He murdered one of the officers cornering him! What should the police have done, Mr. Expert?

[@LesterBrunt]

Look at Breivik, he did it smart, he shoot up the people who he feared and then surrendered himself. Dorner could have done the same. Dying in police custody would have been more suspicious than being killed after a massive 4 hour long shootout. But you see, Dorner had no intention to get caught, he wanted to go out with a bang, and he did.

[@Waltham1892]

Dorner had just murdered four people, two of which were civilians he killed from ambush. Police had his hole surrounded and he was engaged in a gunfight with them. If you think he was looking for the opportunity to surrender, you are out of your mind. By the way, he didn't burn to death. He shot himself. So, you are wrong on every count.

[@Waltham1892]

If you are "mixed up" on the facts maybe you should pause before you comment. Dorner's concern about racism, brutality, and corruption at the LAPD seems to have come about just as he was being fired. His shock and concern appears to have been so deep that he sued to get his job back. His concern about brutality and corruption then seems to have lead him to murder unarmed civilians and take them hostage. Dorner was not the solution. Dorner was the problem, which Dorner solved.

[@Waltham1892]

I don't think Dorner intended to hide in Mexico. Dorner was a big, beefy, bald, American. The only Spanish he probably knew was what he learned at the LAPD academy, which is not conversational Spanish. He would have stuck out like a sore thumb. For that matter, Big Bear was an odd choice. He probably thought he could hide in a remote cabin. If he wanted to lay-low, he should have gone to South Central...

[@retrotd]

I just can't decide at this point. He murdered family members of cops. He got fired from the LAPD, so that would hurt his chances to be a cop elsewhere, so when you exhaust all available options, what do you have left to draw attention to your cause?

[@kevyster]

Remind me to make sure the police NEVER respond to your 911 call when your home is being robbed,etc.

[@loverroll]

he probably burned the cabin and ran and the cops just said they burned the cabin and he killed him self to prevent stupid people from panicing fear is the price we have to face because of stupid people.

[@GTAVREALISM]

I've looked for a more retarded comment for the last 6 years, still haven't found one, so congrats I guess.

[@NeroBaelside13]

I wouldn't be surprised if the police set fire to the cabin, they really wanted Dorner dead.

[@Nettacki]

Alright, I get it. It's okay to condemn the guy for his actions, but from everything else you were saying, it's almost as if you were supporting the LAPD for existing as a corrupt entity. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@Stabby666]

They were forced to reopen it due to his manifesto appearing, and what's happened. Do you REALLY think they would have done anything if this hadn't happened? They hadn't looked into it in 5 years. No, it's because they've been shamed into it, for killing a hero by burning him alive.

[@hardcorefakes12]

You forfeit your rights when you've murdered countless innocent people. Honestly, there is no argument here, no matter what people say to try to defend a serial killer.

[@LesterBrunt]

It is not vigilante justice. It wasn't as if they shot him while he walked out the cabin with his hands raised. He did everything in his power to kill those who tried to apprehend him so that he could get due process. Your due process doesn't trump others right to life. If you do everything in your power to kill the public servants assigned to apprehend you they can take drastic meassures, like trying to force you out with fire. if you then shoot yourself in the head thats your own problem.

[@Nettacki]

No one here is the good guy. Neither the LAPD, nor Dorner. Anyone who honestly thinks any of these sides are unambiguously good is obviously kidding themselves into denial.

[@jmabad]

Did they say international man hunt? When did this story became international?

[@enlightendbel]

It's quite clear from the LAPD shooting completely innocent people on 2 seperate occasions and now burning down a cabin with him in it, that it's them who were trying to relentlessly kill him. Tell me where the effort was made to arrest him when they shot the 2 asian ladies, or that other guy in a pickup truck. Where's the attempt to try and arrest him when they burn a house down around him?

[@mordinvan]

I'm not calling Dorner a saint, but torture any animal enough and it will bite you if given 1/2 a chance. You might wish to ask yourself what he was put through before he responded this way, and if you could honestly restrain yourself in a similar situation.