Were Natives Hunted by Giants in Nevada? | Lovelock Cave Part I

[@TheLoreLodge]

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[@deadman9335]

Have you ever experienced something super natural yourself?

[@Incrementium]

2:58 - Related to "Sinks". From my understanding of geographic features a sink is sort of like a lake (in this case probably a natural basin where excess rain water collects when the river is high. What makes it a sink is that is sort of literally is like a sink in a kitchen, not sure which is named after which lol. But basically usually water erosion almost always causes basins to drain away above ground but in limestone rocks it can sometimes drain down into the bedrock instead of on the surface, essentially that's the "drain of the sink". Essentially a sink hole is literally that, the hole of the sink because there isn't any water collected or it has drained. I think this is what it's talking about but I could be wrong and it's named for an entirely different reason. Side note the channel "Casual Earth" has a video from 2 years ago called "A Hole Where You'll Freeze to Death" that looks at the limestone basin geographic formations and why/how they form. It looks at parts of Europe but also North America. Very interesting and informative video.

[@danielwebster5748]

I would like to say one thing all through the world there is stories of 10 to 12 ft tall red-haired giants with six toes on each foot and six fingers on each hand usually with a double row of teeth. I have trouble believing that so many countries many of whom have had no contact with each other all described the same thing. I think there must have been a time when it existed. Not the giant of Kandahar they said it was 12 to 15 ft tall now it was probably a fake story but again we got the red hair that goes from continent to continent nation-to-nation. Usually in criminal cases and other things if you have multiple people that had no contact with each other in describing the same criminal it's enough to put him in jail. I feel to see the difference there are multiple countries multiple continents all describing the same thing.

[@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617]

Hey guys my Moms cousin went missing in Thursday in Glen Etive near Glencoe in Scotland while hiking. His name is Charles Kelly. I have found 4 other missing persons cases in the same place since 2012 and 3 dead since 2013 including 1 in February this year. Any chance you could look into missing persons in the area see if there is any missing 411 points please. Thank you!

[@randyross5630]

@TheLoreLodge did you ever think they were Vikings, who happened to be Taller than Normal Vikings, and that a 6'6" Red Headed Male is completely within the Realm of Possibilities to be Vikings left over from their Colonization of the Americas? Do you remember other Indians refer to their White Brothers that died out before the English, French and Spanish came... I always thought their White Brothers were Vikings they Killed Off... As seen by Initial Dealings from the English with the Natives, Natives all cool at 1st, till the Indians turn on them....

[@nschlaak]

We were told by an indigenous person, family member, that the reason why the Plains Indians raised their hands in greeting was to determine if the strangers approaching had 5 or 6 fingers. 6 fingers were a trait that the giants had. Don't know if there is any truth to the tale but it stuck with us for 50+ years.

[@UmamiPapi]

The Bible also notes Goliath and his family had 6 digits.

[@papabeareast9258]

I heard the same

[@myredeemerlives7428]

Annunaki bloodlines

[@Mary-t5d5c]

Hmmmm.. why would they lie?

[@pat2430]

​@@UmamiPapigiants had 2 rows of teeth and 6 fingers and toes.

[@stevendewitt5618]

giants you say..... i can feel his presence around us now.... he is here

[@nightwatch3889]

Gooners assemble

[@idiosyncraticmushroom3030]

@@nightwatch3889 we maybe shouldn't call ourselves gooners

[@nightwatch3889]

@@idiosyncraticmushroom3030 I know we're really the Wendigang but gooners is funny

[@Thoughtmage100]

​@@idiosyncraticmushroom3030 The Goon Squad 😂

[@AstroSalamander]

​@@nightwatch3889gooners it is

[@wyosagekat.]

I lived in Lovelock for 5 years. I’ve been to the cave, not really much to see but the ceiling of the cave is burnt and blackened.

[@tshoveltuski8273]

Me too Pershing Co jr high school -Lived there 5 years friends of mine that belong to the Paiute tribe say yes the story is absolutely true & has been told to them by their elders…

[@nido.del.aguila2667]

I love you

[@LexWOLF91]

@@tshoveltuski8273interesting. Seems to me that the Paiute Indians have this recorded as their actual history but mainstream historians pass them off as myths, tall tales, or fables. The burning question will always be “where are the bodies”?

[@azboldazalion1938]

​@@LexWOLF91Smithsonian..

[@bertbccfu9564]

I heard they used to light smoky fires in there to chase out the bat's and other animals so they could mine guano

[@seansullivan7917]

As a 6’5” redhead I was actually refused service at a reservation concession stand at a high school basketball game once. I wonder if it had to do with this?

[@starstoryteller]

Yep I saw a tic tock with a man showing his 6 fingered hand and a native man responded telling him (prefacing with him at no disrespect) but if he was in The American plains he would be killed on the spot. The traditional greeting of say HOW and raising your hand was to prove that you didn't have six fingers.

[@janettesweet6087]

You aren't related to a Ryan Brown in Texas are you? Both him and his brother are 6'5" and gingers- sandy blonde hair.

[@connorperrett9559]

Were other White people being served? It might have just been standard bigotry.

[@ericbuzzard2041]

​@@starstorytellerare you really that gullible? And as a native Cherokee living in Oklahoma I'm a little saddened that you seem to actually believe that we "kill on sight" anyone with 6 fingers. And that whole "how" shit is just Hollywood bullshit. Please stop taking ridiculous shit from tic tok as actual fact.

[@lordlammi1562]

​@@starstorytellerwhere did you read this? I can't find any info on it

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

Lighting a fire at the entrance of a cave and the cave having no other size able entrance would result in the fire drawing all the oxygen out of the cave, suffocating the giants within, same tactic was used by the Marines in WW2 against Japanese tunnels, using a flame thrower to suck out all the oxygen in the low oxygen level tunnel system, again similar was used in Vietnam as well. It brutal but highly effective and efficient. That part of the story to me sounds plausible

[@highlorddarkstar]

Not how Flamethrowers kill. It’s carbon monoxide poisoning.

[@commissaryarrick9670]

Thermobaric bombs also do the same thing but with more boom

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

@@commissaryarrick9670and pull you inside out

[@Mary-t5d5c]

Many parts of this story sounds feasible to me.

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

@@commissaryarrick9670 “T bombs” end up hurting the one that uses it more than the guy it’s being used on.

[@baddragonite]

I work as a security guard and honestly getting sent to an archeological sight would make the job way cooler

[@cesaravegah3787]

Archeologists say that their work is months and months of boring, repetitive work, a single find however can made it all worth it.

[@baddragonite]

@@cesaravegah3787 still cooler

[@cesaravegah3787]

@@baddragonite most probably

[@christianschmidt5744]

If you were assigned to an archeological site in a cave, it would definitely be cooler.. at least by several degrees

[@IvanIvanoIvanovich]

If you live in the U.S., you should look into working as a ranger for a state park, national park or national forest. That would give you the opportunity to help protect archaeological and natural resources. 😁

[@SonGoku-kp8kw]

I’m a Native American who live in’s Nevada, Paiute to be exact and my elders have told be countless stories passed down to them about the these red haired giants.

[@feanacar]

I think that is so awesome. To have such a rich culture is something to treasure. ❤

[@dinarusso3320]

I believe it, there's stories of pale skinned, red and blonde hair giants all over the world...no way all these people are lying, it started somewhere.

[@thetruthchannel349]

@serdownofhousebad1127 *Ya the Maori as well as a lot of Polynesian islands have similar stories & some of their rituals & dances are very dark & very creepy. They creeped me out before I knew of all of this other stuff.*

[@skylaburden7030]

Im lovelock and Fallon Paiute and I've heard countless stories and been to the cave the story here differs a bit saying they threw balls of pinon pitch

[@nervosadustbolt9642]

Imagine, how big the Giantess's tiddy's would be. You could use those suckers, as a Trampoline.

[@Edoric85]

This reminds me of when Robert E. Howard (author of Conan the Barbarian) referenced red-haired giants who created cities and fought against Native Americans in ancient times in his short stories. I'm not sure exactly how he learned of these legends, but he did speak to many old timers in Texas (and across the country when he did his road trips) and some of these old timers were probably Native Americans, who had these legends passed down to them from father to son.

[@owlsayssouth]

red-haired giants is a world-wide myth / legend thing, kinda like a great flood. it just seems to crop up basically everywhere. one of the Ur memes, so to speak. quite interesting.

[@scarletbard6511]

​@@owlsayssouth Ur memes? Google just assumes I'm saying "your/you're" when I search this.

[@RogerSanGabriel]

He read books.

[@nicholasdalli6303]

@@scarletbard6511 "Ur" is just a prefix term meaning "precursorial" or "that which came first or before" - hence why one of the oldest cities to be discovered in the Near East is called Ur nowadays - even though we now know it is not the first city, Jericho I think is older.

[@horrorstew3577]

Some speculate that both he and Lovecraft both came across ancient occult books during their research trips.

[@berserkerrex4411]

Anyone else think that the red haired giants described sound somewhat familiar to the Giant of Kandahar?

[@theredknight9314]

Ye. Sounds similar to the ones the US army supposedly found in the middle east when fighting the taliban in caves

[@Vorratus]

Bedtime Stories, Episode: "There's Something in the Desert" had a segment retelling an account of allegedly a US Special Forces unit encountering a red-haired giant in the caves of Afghanistan. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foq4fmeehKp2gqcsi=Gh6YYRC-iNFiJ-s8

[@Manticore00]

That image of the red haired giant with the spear he keeps using is literally a depiction of the Kandahar Giant, the full image has US army men all around it and one on the end of the spear.

[@kai56k57]

​@theredknight9314 having been I Kandahar I can tell you, the giant is a creepypasta and no Afghan is aware of its existence

[@theredknight9314]

@@kai56k57 well yeah thats cause the US army found it. The feds trying to cover it up with “creepy pasta”

[@abcde_fz]

"...or at least as I understand them to." _THAT_ is the mark of a _conscientious_ historian. One who won't fail to say "I may be wrong."

[@SonGoku-kp8kw]

You should research the pyramid lake war… I live in Nevada, in a small reservation called “Hungry Valley” and I love the coverage you’re giving to our people and the area

[@skylaburden7030]

I just learned of the stories of the pyramid lake war while trying to find something else. I'm from the Fallon tribe and the rest of my family is lovelock I've been to hungry valley and it was scary.

[@brandonhill2183]

I lived east of you in Spanish Springs back in the 90s and 2000s. Always liked this story . And a lot of other ancient Nevada stories

[@Breadedchef]

I live off the lovelock Paiute colony, but my great grandmother and grandmother would tell us the story of the caves, it real interesting being able to go and see them.

[@JediHobbit89]

It's especially interesting these giants wete found in the Great Basin, when there are similar stories of red haired giants in Afghanistan. It implies these creatures have a preferred habitat: high, mountainous deserts.

[@mamaitaliano9774]

Maybe because they hide inside the mountains and there's tunnel systems underground.

[@norml.hugh-mann]

@@mamaitaliano9774 that still hasnt been found, wouldnt have enough bio to sustain more than insects, and COMPLETELY IN YOUR IMMAGINATION

[@Janny890]

In every folklore it seems it’s always giants and vampires. What was going on back then 🤨

[@marhawkman303]

"Inhuman monsters with the complexion of an irishman"....h mmm.........

[@tikimillie]

Well, dracula was a methafor for the aristoracy or royalty or those at the top of society, feeding, leeching off of the poor, peasantry. Plus, often mental illness was mistaken for demonic posession or witchcraft, really, vampires could just be what they used to explain such things. Its quite interresting to look into. Now giants… mythology might be exaggurating, or it could be someone with a hormonal disorder, or a bundle of vikings on the taller side.

[@januszpolak254]

To be fair "human but big" or "human but undead and bloodsucking" are not hard concepts to imagine.

[@jennaywilliams1024]

Esau was red and hairy combined with cannibalism

[@MightyoNe-MiT1]

​@@jennaywilliams1024 Esau -- Yes 1 You or "yes you won" Thats another name for "Yeshua"

[@adamwest8256]

Love that you look into these mysteries through a historical perspective instead of speculating about the supernatural!

[@norml.hugh-mann]

does he though?

[@wendys390]

Agree with your point about the hair...Indians have almost no body hair, so anyone with what would be a normal amount of body hair to most people, would be described as "covered with hair," and especially red hair is so visible.

[@ryankrelic971]

So when it says that the spirits of the Nephilim where destroyed it means that God gave them red hair?

[@Quincy_Morris]

I’d say check with Mike Winger before you go too deep into the nephilim rabbit hole.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Damn this is a good one

[@AlleluiaElizabeth]

emotional damage XD

[@Tsalagi]

Jacob’s brother Esau had red hair too

[@Tsalagi]

Scottish have red hair because they get it from princess Scotia who was half Egyptian, like Atlantean Egyptian

[@38llee]

If I had a time machine. I would go back 6 generations to see my ancestors and to hear the Navajo stories that they could teach me. That would be amazing.

[@TimeCircleBlue]

Now THATS proper use of time travel.

[@izabelaszlachta7769]

You can looking for this between all nation ,in net in other places so here, for example My ancesors wast so rich in stories I am looking everywhere rest of history ❤ Yeha Noha

[@izabelaszlachta7769]

Navajo teaching ,stories a lot off in internet❤

[@Son-of-Tyr]

Ive always considered a giant 7 + feet in height. And not just tall but with large features. I guess it would be like Yao Ming is super tall, but Andre the Giant is a true giant.

[@gregc.8040]

I worked with a guy back in 2015 he was 7 ft 1in. When he stood behind me he was like a lamp post with the headlamps we used. Its funny how after a few weeks he didn't seem that different. We were walking down a street one day going to a corner store and then I saw how people stared and I mean everyone.

[@21LAZgoo]

in my opinion a giant is 9 feet in height and is proportionally well sized, unless that 7 foot tall person has wider shoulders or a waaaay more robust body and larger skull than any 7 footers alive today.

[@goosegirl941]

Giants supposedly have a 2:1 body ratio, where as humans have 3:1 - so a 7 ft giant would be almost 4 foot wide, which is insane

[@Truth4234]

7 foot would be a midget for giants. They are usually 11 feet in most stories

[@TimeCircleBlue]

@@goosegirl941haven’t heard that before

[@bacongod4967]

Man, your videos are getting me interested in Native American history, mostly from an archaeological standpoint, but in conjunction with oral tradition.

[@Nathansss365]

If you’re from the US yiu should be interested in their history anyway . You did steal their lands after all , you owe it to them

[@NogGonnaMakeIt]

​@@Nathansss365"their" land. As if they are a monoculture lmao

[@SairanBurghausen]

Oral tradition is such an easily dismissed but valuable source of history. The history of Finno-Ugric peoples, just like that of the native Americans, has mostly been lost due to Russians committing what is essentially manifest destiny on us. Everywhere from Moscow to Siberia to Arkhangelsk to Viipuri the lands of Finno-Ugrians have been stolen. However, thanks to our oral traditions and archeology confirming its claims, that history can be reconstructed. For example: an ancient Finnish legend claimed that the chieftain of Vesilahti called Tohni was deposed by the christian Matti Kurki and escaped up north where he built a great totem for his "un-God." We then realise there's a place called "Tuhnu mountain" some hundreds of kms north of Vesilahti, and on top of that mountain we dig and find 800 year old remains of a wooden statue. Never underrestimate the value of oral tradition. It's the only tool left for indigenous peoples in the Americas AND Eurasia to reclaim our pasts.

[@openyoursheeple748]

​@@Nathansss365kind of like every single nation on earth did in the pass literally every place on the planet has been fought over and stolen from someone else

[@faded1887]

@@Nathansss365you mean the Europeans stole it from them

[@CzarOfVermont]

The bit of the story where the natives snuff them out in a cave is highly reminiscent of stories from some native tribes in Canada. I learned of these accounts in a video published by Hammerson Peters regarding "monkey men". A lot of parallels between them despite all of the distance, really makes ya wonder.

[@sappholily]

your comment reminds me of the "apes" the natives hunted in the Appalachians at the time of the roanoke colony

[@margaretmoxley661]

@@sappholily a×

[@cashb7962]

My uncle was a 300+ lb 6’7 -6’8 redhead so I love this lore!

[@Alazar654]

These red-hair giants were white people. (probably haplogroup R1b).

[@TheRoope97]

Did he had 6 fingers per hand

[@Truth4234]

I heard they were 1000 pounds and 10 feet

[@toniannsandford2715]

@@TheRoope97yes that’s where How came from saying hi cuz if u had 5 fingers u were good to go

[@alegro4046]

@@Truth4234 his uncle was only 7 years old at the time of his writting.

[@comhaltacht315]

I can't believe Conan O'Brien is a cannibal

[@curthickman7750]

I can see it

[@seanguitarman5594]

@@curthickman7750 Now that you mention it, ...I can definitely see it too

[@din0grrl]

as a native northern nevadan!i really appreciate you covering our legends and our history

[@lunarvision]

Same.

[@algae_]

I'm appreciative too, being from minden/carson/reno. I went out to lovelock a few years back to see the skeletons, but they said they'd gone to the Smithsonian. I never heard any native stories in all my time living up there so this is great, I've always been interested. It's so weird hearing him saying names like winnemucca and washoe in this context

[@VaxtorT]

The legends of the red headed giants are spoken of by nearly every North American tribe.

[@KyleSmalltown-uy4fn]

I know of 22 Tribes that have Oral Tradition of 8 ft - 10 ft tall White Giants that were here before their forefathers arrived.

[@drewwar9344]

​@@KyleSmalltown-uy4fnWhich would mean the The supposed native Americans of today killed and committed genocide of the original natives of this land the giants. Which if you compare that to what the United States government did It's a lot less bad because they didn't outright commit Genocide

[@Mercator89]

And all of it is nothing but false superstitions and "folklore" if you ask the boomer generation, because boomers JUST KNOW, don't ask them how they know, they just "know that they know" Because they are small-minded boomers that cannot comprehend that they have been lied to.

[@anzilluuri]

I know probably off topic. But .. when you figure out "nephilim" is a term/title that means "fallen from original purpose". It can be applied to anyone that is "different" or "cut off" from the normal society. And it makes you question a lot more than most people likely want to question. Thanks for actually differentiating.

[@logosfocus]

what do you think about gen⁶

[@thetruthchannel349]

Partially means that. Also means fallen from original State or Essence.

[@jesiachord3179]

Ironic considering they were on the same evolutionary path as humans but didn’t quite get there, and now inhabit the wilderness.

[@leelay5919]

Hands down the lore lodge are the most comprehensive complete and totally unbiased research channel i have come across yet another video that goes above and beyond its contemporarys

[@jayarmastice4010]

Wendigoon: *Heavy breathing*

[@Angel_inaa]

I just want to say I love your channel dudes. Your true dedication to research and unmatched detail is heart warming. You really do care about what you’re doing and we can all feel it. From mythology to true crime, you nail it every time. I may be biased because I seem to always have similar opinions as you but hey, I work nights and your videos get me through my 15 hour shifts so thank you for the content!

[@wendys390]

TLL, just FYI, Winnemucca is pronounced Winne-MUCK-a. Thanks for the detailed telling of this story, it's really fascinating.

[@ratsumatra3003]

Yep, one moccasin.

[@kohlskii]

I can’t verify this story, however my mom had found a old journal from her Great great grandma I’m pretty sure, that belonged to one of her older relatives. Anyways there was a page ripped out and in the same box as the journal, was a framed page of that book. In it was “ my ancestors” (Mormon pioneers) writing of finding a camp of these described the exact same way. The page read that the men who had stumbled upon them felt so much fear, they felt that killing then was the only choice they could even consider. I really don’t know what to think about it, but I had never known there were other stories with the exact same description and exact same “giant”. Pretty creepy

[@benwhite9138]

Hyped for part 2 I enjoy listening to you talk about the history behind these mysteries it really gives an important perspective that wouldn’t otherwise be there. Your one of the few people who cover this stuff and use solid facts not speculation and drama to draw the listener in, and it works. Keep up the good work my friend 🙏🏼

[@theredknight9314]

Definitely believe they were real. They likely had an average height of 6’ hence why they were called tall/ giants.

[@marhawkman303]

yeah "giant" as in a foot taller than my tribe.

[@theredknight9314]

@@marhawkman303 yeh. Provably another species of human like creature

[@emelielonnberg.]

I agree. I do find it interesting that there are so many tribe stories referring to giants around the world. I can understand some of them might just be a coincidence. But since they're represented in the stories on every continent, that says something. And I hope we're past the whole idea of that it's just fantasies of savages 🙄

[@pirate_duck4985]

I'm definitely fascinated by the idea of "Giants" OR even Sasquatch at this point. We've found multiple examples of Diddy humans that didn't have any form of dwarfism, I simply cannot fathom it doesn't go both ways & that there WERE hominids that where over 6/7 Feet Tall that didn't have any form of gigantism, they were simply genetically different to us!

[@emelielonnberg.]

@@pirate_duck4985 Totally agree! Unless it's definitely proven they didn't exist, it's simply foolish to not at least be open to the idea.

[@daniellemalone2303]

Annie Lowery was my great great grandmother 🪶 we’re still here🫶🏽 I grew up on these stories which can only be told in the winter

[@taowroland8697]

Did they not unearth hundreds of burial mounds across the midwest with skeletons with these proportions & hair color? I know they found some on the california channel islands

[@kingsadvisor18]

That old photograph of the gents next to the mummy is meant to make the dead fella seem like a giant, but they forget to mention that the gents are 5'2" and then you think, "Really? This guy I play basketball with at the park is just as tall as the so called giant"

[@MiqelDotCom]

It's been shown that the pigment in black hair in mummified remains often degrades over time into a reddish color.

[@tylerdavis3]

@@kingsadvisor18 I mean if we buried the NBA together and people 1000 years dug it up in an archeological dig they’d definitely think they were a tribe of giants. Cause they really kinda are, not mythical but still.

[@taowroland8697]

@@MiqelDotCom or so the hotep negrotologists would have you believe

[@shaneburkhart1871]

OG Paiute males were/are well over 6 feet tall. Not as prominent these days but the whole US human race is shrinking. Becuz the food errybody eats is dead, processed and isn't nourishing.

[@willbloodworth2992]

You said the magic words, Wendigoon has definitely been summoned with this one.

[@golds3882]

Lovelock is my hometown :) Edit: A sink is where Nevada rivers end. The Humbolt and Carson sinks are where the rivers basically just flow into the desert and dry up.

[@timumbra2476]

Greetings from “winniemooca “

[@PezCoreKid]

@@timumbra2476 it’s like nails on a chalkboard listening to him mispronounce her name

[@21LAZgoo]

oh nice, also im curious if you ever got to see the really big reddish skull which used to be in the humboldt museum up until 2008, theres an image of it compared to 3 smaller skull which are 12-20% larger than average anf it looks quite a bit bigger than those 3

[@MattL-dl2su]

Wow cool story...

[@VaxtorT]

Personally, I am of the belief that the giants were the descendants of Nephilim that fled the Levant during the time of Joshua.

[@kingtachalla6181]

It's not an belief it's true native Americans just didn't know what nephlim were and just thought of them as man eating giants

[@adamplentl5588]

Hilarious.

[@Canev821]

Very possivle

[@robertcoggeshall3071]

Bigfoot is also described as a man eating giant.

[@harley5332]

As someone who lived in lovelock for 10 YEARS and I barely heard of these giants much until later on lol. Although I can tell you that as a psychic medium the desert surrounding lovelock and lovelock itself is haunted AF. The amount of stuff I saw growing up there was insane.

[@spindoggytheexplorer2915]

Would you be willing to take the time to tell me about one of the stranger things you experienced out there in the desert?

[@dad_jokes_4ever226]

I wonder what Native American tribes thought when they first saw red headed European settlers ?

[@michaelcandido2824]

in mexico they thought that they were gods because of a description of one of their pale red headed god.

[@IvanIvanoIvanovich]

A lot of groups in the Great Basin were already aware of Europeans before ever meeting any due to trade networks.

[@holypaladin4657]

⁠​⁠@@michaelcandido2824 The belief was in pale bearded gods, not redheads, number 1. Number 2 the idea that the Aztecs for example actually believed that is falling out of favour nowadays due to lack of evidence in primary sources. In a primary source Moctezuma also directly tells Cortez that it is obvious that they are both flesh and blood men.

[@emelielonnberg.]

I don't understand why you haven't gotten the YT gold plaque. This channel is awesome!

[@eugenewillems9736]

because he hasnt reached the right amount subscriber'

[@emelielonnberg.]

@@eugenewillems9736 LOL! I did get that.

[@intothenight5932]

Dude you’re absolutely awesome! I love how well versed you are on North American lore and early history. Keep up the great work :)

[@smokiepossum561]

The supernatural stuff is fun but I really love these historical archaeological mysteries

[@GodGuy8]

"there were giants in those days.."

[@KJ-tz7vc]

This is the best researched and most balanced piece on this story I've ever encountered. Well done. Can't wait for part 2.

[@kingfisher7960]

Credit for the research you did! Great video! I've heard numerous tales like this and think that settlers killed them off and pushed the sasquatch back similar to the grey wolf. Now the Grey wolf is making a comeback. Maybe the bigfoot are also.

[@SiriusCygnus]

i used to live in sandy valley nevada and this legend carries across the state and some people that live on the outskirts of the town tell stories of large people that hunt people who live in the mountains around sandy valley.

[@xion1629]

So what about vikings? Red hair was somewhat common, as was the description of being large/sturdy. The whole point of going out was to plunder, explore and find new land. There's a big group that claim Norsemen came to the Americas. If so, then I'd say the description of "red haired barbarians" would be pretty fitting. It might also explain some of the other stories from different indigenous peoples.

[@baneofbanes]

Nevada is a far away place from the Atlantic coast. I find it severely unlikely to be Vikings. And while Vikings plundered; they traveled by boat. Nevada is a land locked desert state. The Great Basin even more so as none of its rivers drain into the ocean.

[@matildagreene1744]

Lovelock Nevada has an 'unsettling spirit'. I stayed in an old motel there before I had knowledge of the Reds. I'm a great sleeper and got about two hours of sleep. Couldn't shake that presence I felt. Very memorable. Had two children with me..was 50 years old at the time.

[@scribebat]

This is the most in depth look at the story of the 'red haired giants' of Lovelock cave i've run into. First heard of the story of the 'giants' trapped by the Paiute in a cave near Lovelock, NV while living in Reno. Ya, tall, with red hair, seems pretty solid data, 'giants' maybe more of a stretch. One local account said most of the remains found in the cave were eventually shipped to the Smithsonian (which reportedly has a record of having received them but no idea where they are now). With one exception. Supposedly there is one remaining skull from the cave kept in the collection of a very small museum in Winnemucca, further east of Lovelock along I80. There is something of a mystery in the archaeological records from the area of north central NV. There's an abundance of large projectile points from the area, the sort that would be used in the hunting of big game (at least in the early days of the stone age in N America), while there is a marked paucity of any records of any such game ever being available in the area. Archaeologists these days are pretty good with understanding stone tools and it's unlikely they're mistaking a short-hafted stone blade used as a knife or scraper or maybe a digging tool for a 'large projectile point'. Only thing making sense to me on that is a long history of conflict between groups of humans in the area, likely largely over some pretty limited resources, that these projectile points were being used against other humans on a regular basis. Alternative - they were using their equivalent of a 'bear gun' on rabbits. Who these red haired, tall people from Paiute history were remains a really interesting question, 'giants' or no.

[@peteroland5389]

If you're interested, I think an episode on the Native American "little People". Clemson University campus is a great place to start. Literally.

[@Arkantos117]

Considering that some native americans used red ochre to paint their skin it wouldn't surprise me if a tribe had a tradition of dyeing their hair with it too.

[@Athlynne]

Can't wait for part 2, this is fascinating.

[@herbiehusker1889]

Winnemucca is not Mooka, it's mucka.

[@AshesAshes44]

I was so confused about these tool-eaters. Too-lee, it's pronounced too-lee and it took me way too long to figure that out

[@PaganLad3121]

Why you always crying

[@sausage5033]

Very low IQ way of wording that btw

[@Cosmicshambler]

Same shit

[@WardOfSouls]

Just learned about Lovelock Cave and the "redheaded giants" from a recent Milo Rossi (mini minuteman) video, and am very glad there is more coverage on this fascinating part of Native American history and storytelling. Thanks for covering this!

[@chrisjarvis2287]

M.K Davis has done a lot on this subject, and there are people who grew up in the area who remember huge skulls and other artifacts in the local museums until the Smithsonian took them.

[@janrowley2068]

The Winnamucca museum still have red large sculls you have to ask to see

[@adamplentl5588]

No.

[@21LAZgoo]

fr man hes done a lot on it, theres an image which shows 4 skulls, 3 of which were in my opinion on the larger size range of humans as they were 12-20% larger than average, and then there was a reddish skull which was quite a bit bigger than those 3 skulls.

[@21LAZgoo]

@@janrowley2068 up until around 2008 yes but unfortunately not anymore

[@21LAZgoo]

edited this to say i asked the museum, and that really big red skull i mentioned in the comment earlier in this thread was only 5 foot 6, so i guess that isnt one of the skulls which, im if its true then i guess tha one doesnt count as a giant person. I still think there very well couldve been 7-8 foot tall eople there though, in azerbaijan there is a skeleton on display at the ganja state museum which is of a 7 foot 2 woman dating to 2000 BC

[@0hammatime]

My job is seasonal and im off in the spring, during so my interest has been solely on your videos especially around the bigfoot and the missing 411 cases. When i start getting paid again ill definitely subscribe to your channel and Patreon. Thanks for the entertaining content!

[@chelseariddle6662]

I always appreciate when you do stories from Nevada because you actually say the damn states name correctly!

[@Bear38-u7l]

Considering the wanton destruction perpetrated in the bone wars. The security guard did a pretty good job! 10/10 would hire again

[@JohnDoe-uc4uu]

I love how you dismiss them being called giants by saying they need to be more than 6'6" for that title. When peoples in the past who were not even that tall were described as giant. Like the north germanic people by the romans. When you're average guy is 5'5", 6'6" is giant

[@PalmelaHanderson]

While a Roman man being 6'6" would have been unusual, it wouldn't have been unheard of. Just like it's not unheard of for people to be 7' tall now, and we don't view them as giants. We just go "oh look, I bet he plays basketball."

[@kirtknierim3687]

I'm 6 foot 5, I get asked if I played basketball ALL the time.

[@JohnDoe-uc4uu]

@@PalmelaHanderson roman historians literally refered to people groups who were above 6ft as giant...

[@Maverynthia]

@@JohnDoe-uc4uu They were also known for hyperbole. Why call them 'tall' when I can call them GIANT! and impress my audience more.

[@JohnDoe-uc4uu]

@@Maverynthia because when you're men are 5'5" on average 6'6" is giant

[@macekreislahomes1690]

Thanks for helping me stay sane, curious, and hopeful towards my spiesis. Keep up the good work and stay safe.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

Never apologize for the dog in the background unless you're apologizing for not putting it in front of the camera. Life is better with dogs.

[@TheSlammurai]

5 minutes in and hes's said Giant, Wendigo, and Nephilim. I can feel his power getting stronger.

[@superstonystogie7213]

What made me believe this story is a group of soldiers during Afghanistan war killed a redhaired "giant human" with 2 jaws and 6 fingers. Exactly as described by the native americans. The trooper even remebered the specific types of weapons his crew had at the time. They even said the giant killed one of thier guys with a spear. It was at a cave entrance. They were forced to sign a NDA and the body was picked up and flown away. The soldiers said they felt like people should know the truth.

[@Dravoth]

Source?

[@rebornstillborn]

​@@Dravoththat's the Kandahar Giant story. Afghans seem to be mostly perplexed when they hear the tale, as they have no such legends

[@BrookerTJustice]

@@Dravoth Asking for citations under a Lore Lodge video? Good luck.

[@williammontgrain6544]

A sink in the desert is a basin with no drainage outlet but has other drainages that flow into it.

[@zach-EchoesForAges]

I've known of this story for years. But couldn't recall all the details I'm very excited to see what y'all think here.

[@docholiday5119]

Navajo stories talked about twin warriors born fighting giants and monsters (chimeras).

[@AristotelianEpistemophilic]

They did in Red Dead Redemption

[@The-three-eyed-Prophet]

this is the most indepth and acurate video on this topic i have ever come across in 10 years !!! ... #Respect

[@21LAZgoo]

i agree, although i wish he talked about the news reports and pictures of the skulls as well

[@KALioness910]

I can almost hear Miniminuteman shaking his locks right now.

[@KursRage]

I agree that the term giant should require a certain threshold. The Bigfoot researchers do that a lot as well, for instance, the prints were fourteenth inches long…, so, what you found was an NBA player going for a walk barefoot? 😉

[@caitlinmace]

I believe it was a cherokee legend (could be wrong about the tribe) that I heard that goes: thousands of years ago big, pale red headed people came from the sea. They gave the cherokee a weapon as a show of good will initially. I've always wondered because the ancient celts were always sea farring people if they landed deliberately or had become lost and landed in the Americas and became stranded. The ancient celts were also head hunters as part of their religion and the heads were seen as trophies but also had spiritual significance. I wonder if that could be seen as cannibalism (not saying they didnt also try to eat people lol).

[@enterchannelname4542]

Great topic choice.

[@countrygirlxo7188]

Sounds like a couple of tall people trying to survive and having to resort to cannibalism due to only 1 man and 4 women left of their tribe. They probably didn’t understand the language and were purely just trying to survive.

[@JASepichunter]

Idea. Could these giants actually be the mix of native Americans and the Norse? We know the Norse peoples were some of the first europeans to come to America. We know they built settlements on the east coats of Canada. We know they were described as being tall. So maybe to the native Americans they would be "giant like"? And maybe their desendants would be taller than your average native American? Im just spit balling ideas from things i have heard over the years. Trying to see if maybe any of them fit here? 🤷‍♂️

[@coursefearwell4847]

I was thinking the same thing. Nordics are one of the tallest populations in the world, and red hair would be a more common trait.

[@ravekiller.]

No, I’ve heard actual stories from my elders about these giants and from other tribes as well. Reality is often stranger than the fiction we sell to ourselves. Look at David Grusch for example. We could’ve been living in a Jetsons utopia right now if the ufo technology was handled differently in the past

[@AhranMaoDante]

@@ravekiller. Could you ask your elders if they know of any creature that skinwalkers might be afraid of? And if they've ever heard of a skinwalker that doesn't smell like rotting flesh? Ignore if Navajo, or if your tribe is cautious about this topic.

[@birons3708]

Stupid theory. Native Americans were taller than the nordics at that time

[@ravekiller.]

@@birons3708 You can’t say that with certainty, neither of us were alive at that time. Only difference is I have a rich culture and history stories passed down verbally over generations. But what would a random white guy chiming in know 😂

[@m0nookiE]

Wild idea. Maybe it was those often red haired sailors of the 900 to 1100s that decided to stay behind in the americas when the rest went home. We found an old settlement in Canada.

[@Thekoryosmenstribepodcast]

If you ger a chance, Robert Sepehr has a good video about the red haired people of the americas, dna puts them here as early as 30,000 years ago. He also connects them to the tocharian mummies of china with red hair. They are tied to the celts, there are other tribes in America who talk about "pale skin red haired tall people wirh tattoos on their faces. These tribes were spread throughout north america, this is hidden stuff no one talks about. There are even ruins on the east coast that were built by these mound builders with red hair. The kicker of it all is, i am related to the Pictish of Scotland. No one really knows where they came from. They were known for mound building, red hair, and their faces and bodies adorned with tattoos. They were very tribal, and good fighters..........Well in the documentary they found pictish writing in the united states, as deep as colorado at mesa verde. And another thing they found was a serpent mound on the east coast, well there are serpents that look identical in stone in Scotland where the pictish lived. So my theory is, these red haired people were the ancient ancestors of the pictish of scotland, who are also my ancestors. There are other accounts by Europeans when they came to america of running into large white, red haired, and long red bearded men with spears, who drank deer milk, and lived in two story dwellings in what we call South carolina today. They were called the duhare tribe. They were said to be very hospitable, and nice. But covered in tattoos, on the face and whole body. We have been lied to about our history. These people were everywhere.

[@southernladyish]

Thank God I’m not the only one who watches his channel!!! Lol I was looking through the comments to see if I could find anyone else mentioning him

[@Thekoryosmenstribepodcast]

@@southernladyish Yes!!!!!! Love his channel. Never missed one yet. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻.

[@Thekoryosmenstribepodcast]

@@southernladyish I see you like survivalist stuff too. YOUR AWESOME. 🤣😎

[@k.ohalloran8758]

@@southernladyish- same! Love his channel!

[@captainsensiblejr.]

Where is the evidence if it is everywhere?

[@TigerAceSullivan]

ah yes, lovelock... i lived near there most of my life. collectively known as the place we expected someone to turn up with a freezer full of cut off heads

[@TigerAceSullivan]

in all honesty its fun to hear abt the history of where i grew up with a more respectful and realistic tone than a lot of the resources growing up

[@21LAZgoo]

it sucks they covered everything up

[@jimpemberton]

Your analysis seems to be hitting the right points. Translations can be misleading because we tend to look for words that mean the same as our words when actually semantic domains can differ widely. What translates as "giant" may not carry our understanding of what "giant" means. I don't know all of the typical physical characteristics of this group of indigenous people, but many indigenous people were a little shorter than many of the Europeans they came in contact with. A tall European may have seemed particularly tall to the Si-Te-Cah. Additionally, basic colors that we have words for today were not all represented in many older or ancient tongues. What translated as "red" may not have been the red we understand. It could have been brown or yellow (brunette or blonde). Without digging into the language, I can't tell, but I'm not going to assume that it means the color of a rose and not the color of a sunflower or of tree bark.

[@eyetrollin710]

Very well stated, Even in our recorded history we have discrepancies in regards to meaning and how certain things are perceived, hence the false notion that ancient people didn't know what blue was, because they referenced things in different ways.

[@kingtachalla6181]

(literally says they fought against literal man eating giants) "ok but like erm how do you know they meant actual man eating giants it could just be a metaphor or mistranslation"-🤓

[@jimpemberton]

@@kingtachalla6181 Well, the "literal" is what we are trying to determine, isn't it? It's not a metaphor or a mistranslation, but the point is that meanings get shifted in translation. These sorts of things may not lend themselves to adequate translations. So many words in English carry connotations outside of the normal denotations. "Giant" is one of these. We get certain images in our head when we see that word that may not make it a great translation. Such words as "gGiant," "tall," or "short," require a context. What does "short" mean, except by some comparison? What does "giant" mean if everyone is a giant? So here "giant" is a noun instead of an adjective. However, we have no single noun for "person who is taller than normal" in the English language, so we use "giant". We don't say, "There is a tall who is eating people." That would be a weird translation. We just have to understand that "giant" in the original language entails otherwise normal people who are taller than normal. It's the same kind of thing for colors. Different cultures perceive color differently because of the kinds of colors they encounter normally. Modern Western culture has developed an extensive production of pigments and dyes and we encounter colors in our culture in ways that less-developed cultures have not. So we have also developed a larger vocabulary to reference these colors in our communication.

[@21LAZgoo]

@@jimpemberton it sucks that those remains which were in the news at the top we have no idea were those remains are now

[@21LAZgoo]

i think they were referred to as giants because of the old newspaper articles which were talking about finding skeletons which were 7 to 11 feet in height

[@harvey894]

I live about 45 minutes from there really appreciate these close to home videos

[@brandonhill2183]

Same. Fernley here

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

I really want LL to go over the theory that vikings landed in america. i heard about it somewhere a while ago, and wonder if "red haired giants" could be their descendants, or if the cave people are.

[@joelspaulding5964]

It isn't a theory.🙂

[@BA1Gang]

Its not a theory. There is an Archaeological site in Canada over on the East Coast that has Viking artifacts there.

[@PyroFTB]

​@BA1Gang it's plausible but there would definitely be more nordic artifacts if they managed to go from East Coast all the way to the West

[@isaacmedow3023]

@@BA1Gang yeah but LL is on the other side of the country

[@ToschiReelLifeMedia]

Eric the Reds Sons

[@KevinSmith-vd8rz]

I live about an hour away from Lovelock. Been wanting to check out the cave for a few years

[@sammy13ificationable]

Knowing there have been like 9 different species of human so far, and how different they are from one another based on location of development, and knowing that at one point there was likely a species of human that averaged 3.5 feet tall, I think it's safe to say theres a good change that what they did was wipe put the remaining faction of an independently developed human species that originated on this continent long before the natives crossed the land bridge, and that species likely just evolved to be really tall. Theres myths from the other side of the country in the north east about blue skinned, red haired giants, and theres a similar story about a tribe of them living in the Kandahar mountains in Afghanistan. We know blue skin is physically possibly, and is a result of extreme inbreeding, so it's highly possible that before the natives, there could have been a species of human here with an average hight range of 6.5-7.5 feet tall, and that remaining tribe could have become cannibalistic due to a famine or something like that, and turned cannibalism into a regular part of their culture. Yeah, seems totally plausible

[@JDragonKnight654]

This is very cool. I love this hidden lore.

[@r.w.bottorff7735]

Your channel is on a roll lately, with all your recent work being consistently awesome, thank you!

[@magickaldood]

When I think of Lovelock, I think of gas stations because that's the only thing there.

[@admiraleveleigh8573]

If you’re just here for the giants skip to 15:30 and watch from there

[@deepstatethrombosis]

For the longest time I've wanted to write a modern story about red haired giants with two rows of teeth and six fingers and six toes. They're resurrected from ancient times and they're cannibals, extraordinary hunters and they love hunting down pockets of human survivors (almost in a zombie sense, but they'd be giant, smart and powerful.)

[@BimmerBros]

I always wondered if some of the Vikings that made it to Canada ever made their way down to the States and maybe even mixed with some tribe creating red haired, hairy and tall descendants.

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

Why would they be eating people though

[@feanacar]

Food allergies maybe?

[@grymes1955]

Nephilim

[@robertcoggeshall3071]

Bigfoot.

[@IvanIvanoIvanovich]

A couple of points to think about. Body hair in Native American populations is dependent on genetics and culture. Men among some Southern Paiute, linguistic relatives to the people in this video, wore thick beards. Red hair is not unique to Northern Europe. Some populations in Northwest Asia and Oceania also have red hair, more of an Auburn color.

[@Yisraelohim432]

I would recommend the book of Og to innerstand the nature of cannibalism as the food supply when shortages occur were referred to little selves.

[@Nightout88]

@23:45 they might be barbarians, like actual "ye old" barbarians like the shield eating berserkers kind. which were said to be so crazy they were said to eat their own armor and we know Vikings did discover America before Europe. so like it could have been a left over group or some that got stranded ran out of food and started eating people. That DOES and CAN happen, especially if they were berserkers. [which if what i read years ago was right and they were said to need A boars worth of iron] [meaning blood or anything with iron in it.] would make sense.

[@sterlingwilkes3240]

Neanderthals: stronger than us, had red hair, and were known to partake in manflesh. Just my theory, hyped to watch the video. Keep up the great work.

[@terry4O]

Could have very likely been Vikings. Their genes can be traced in tribes inland as far as Idaho, and as far south as Peru.

[@IvanIvanoIvanovich]

Loud's methods at the site speak more to the nature of archaeology at the time than his employment as a security guard. He was a well-respected anthropologist at the time and published a number important ethnographic and archaeological reports.

[@shepherddog1199]

Hey guys, big fan of y’all’s stuff. As a born-and-raised Mississippian wanting to learn more about my local folklore from somebody who has experience with that sort of thing, are there any legends about monsters as we Europeans think of from South Mississippi?

[@BozeDoesGodsWork]

Im from Tupelo Mississippi and I’m basically trying my best to find some monster folklore too. The only thing I can find is stuff near Louisiana and near the swamps . Which probably makes sense because it’s a great food source.

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

Love your videos on the native lore and history. Related to this on the Idaho-Nevada border there's the jarbidge wilderness. So far as I can tell jarbidge is Shoshone for Monster and at least a couple of bigfoot sightings have happened in the area.

[@GroceryGuyToo]

As a kid I took a school trip to those guano caves. We saw the petrogyphs and the inside of the caves. One the way out we stopped at the old gas station that had been made into a low production gift shop museum. The guy running it took a few of ud aside snd showed us skulls with double rows of teeth and giant femur bones that had been taken out of the cave. Even the park ranger said that the Indians had lured cannibal giants there and set a fire at the mouth of the cave to kill and trap them. True story. Life is strange.

[@21LAZgoo]

oh wow cool!

[@BashoftheMonth]

It is after september 8th and part 2 isn't up, which means he was killed by the neanderthals, who were of course the giants in question.

[@jaredthehawk3870]

As it turns out, hair pigment isn't stable after death, and a variety of factors, such as temperature or soil content, can cause it to change color from dark to rusty red.

[@connorperrett9559]

Cope.

[@jaredthehawk3870]

@@connorperrett9559 cope with what? I'm just stating a known scientific fact that is a possible explanation for one part of the story?

[@samantha953]

Neat I didn’t know hair changed color post death

[@21LAZgoo]

@@jaredthehawk3870 that is probably right yes, but the indians were saying that their hair was red before any remains of them were found. it sucks, cause there were old news reports of them finding skeletons which ranged from 7 to 11 feet in the lovelock area and they were said to all be sent to UC Berkley, where they are now who knows. the only evidence that i know of thats been photographed is a picture with 4 skulls, the 3 smaller ones are 12-20% larger than average which were prob just larger than average humans, although the big reddish one which was quite a bit bigger than the other 3 im not sure, i think that one couldve 8-9 feet.

[@21LAZgoo]

@@jaredthehawk3870 that is true although before any remains of them were found, they said they had red hair (i think). it sucks that there is no evidence today of those old newspapers which claimed 7-11 foot skeletons were found in lovelock

[@benjin3993]

I always get reminded of a cryptid i saw on a show long ago that terrorized the builders of the hoover dam. A giant red haired ape man named the sandman by yhe locals in Boulder. Never been able to find anything about that cryptid since and the tv show didnt have it on their episode catalog. Like the very first Mendala that happened to me was abour a southern Nevada Bigfoot that matches the description of these Lovelock giants