Were Scarlet and Violet as Bad as we Thought?

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Pokemon Scarlet and Violet got a lot of negative press, but were they actually as bad as we thought?
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[@Bang__55]

The thing that bothers me the most in S/V are the cities. C’mon they’re dead. I hate that I can’t get into buildings and when i do it’s only a menu to buy something. Buildings in pokemon always been so open and welcoming, they should definetly bring it back.

[@tylerprince6371]

I absolutely loved scarlet/violet, but I completely agree. The first pokemon game where you couldn't go into houses and just talk to random people

[@brianfairchild4665]

This is my biggest gripe. It's where the game just clearly felt unfinished. No other games have made a shop just a menu outside a building.

[@kjeldkaj]

exactly this! people saying that the performance were the biggest issue, when this is clearly a way bigger issue (gameplay issue)

[@ruily276]

They also reduced every single grind in the game but then added another even worse grind for terra shards as well as reintroduce one use TMs. Sure you can craft them but the crafting system was not needed at all when the TM system was already solved in Gen 5. I also don't get why they made breeding so tedious when that was a non issue before.

[@ggpaquatics4373]

I actually loved the fact that you got a menu for going in a building that's all i went into buildings for before anyways. If i want to talk to NPCs there is alot of them in the overworld

[@MaMastoast]

What kinda shocked me is how poorly the whole school aspect is pulled off. There is no running around cool school grounds, there is no exploring the various areas, there is no decorating your room. Instead you teleport from room to room and can't interact with anything outside of scripted events

[@SmokeyEdits]

not only that but imo it suffers from the same issue i've noticed the plots of isekai anime have, that is to say that you could cut off the entire school part from the story and it wouldn't change much. like yeah, it'd be more comparable to the older games story wise (go do gym challenges for no specific reason other than this is what you're doing) but at the same time i don't really feel like the whole school project aspect gives it any more depth than it would have had without it.

[@rudentleo662]

I think what i hate the most is the absence of real npc or inside houses. It s so much not immersive.

[@wildbard4112]

I'm fine with it. Paldea is more about the outdoors

[@silver_j_night8563]

@@wildbard4112 Me too. Also because it's not normal to enter in people houses in first place. (And imagine how much loading screens, just to enter in empty houses with npcs that say random tutorials)

[@ltjgambrose]

Gen 9 did something for me that I had never thought would be possible: I liked the legendary mascot. After playing through Violet on the back of Toothless I actually *put him onto my team for the post game*. Not because he's powerful, because he's my boy and I love him.

[@IronFreakV]

This - everyone would just dunk on how dumb it was that the box legendaries where more or less bikes now. After finishing the game I honestly enjoyed this aspect - becuase it was the first time in years they did something genuinely different with the box legendaries and on top of that I actually felt more attached to my Koraidon than I had done to any bike or Pokemount in earlier games.

[@dmv99]

the box "legends" are not legends. They're technically Cyclizar from other timelines which means that they are basic pokemon... but legendary pokemon are legends based on the lore or the mystery behind them, not the scarcity of the pokemon. We know these are cyclizar from other timelines.... so is cyclizar a legendary pokemon?

[@Reptile149]

@@dmv99Tell that to their stats and abilities

[@Mojo1356]

@@Reptile149 I’m of 2 mindsets on this. On one hand, I don’t think the existence of the Cyclizar in the modern games means that the mascots should be dismissed as only paradox Pokémon, but on the other hand, the dog trios for both Jotoh and Unova have paradox forms.

[@wintonnguyen]

@@dmv99If they’re treated with legendary status and regard, they’re legendaries.

[@xavikortekaas9174]

The thing that holds this game back for me is how it looks and runs. Gen 9 has my favorite story/characters since gen 5 and I really like the Pokemon but everytime I play this game I get reminded by how bad it is on a technical standpoint.

[@chasebannedspeedrun]

like?

[@JullieJan]

THIS, EXACTLY THIS! If it would run good, it would be my favorite pokemonn game

[@JustinObi54]

Yeah, I've been enjoying the game, my only major annoyance is the game breaking bugs, but they rarely happen anyways, The story is my second favourite, Unova being my favourite

[@mrsuperheatran2794]

May as well add "lacking postgame" to it as well. No battle tower, AND they left the conclusion of the story to DLC. We literally have to pay money to see the end of the terastal story/whether the imagined Pokemon is real or not, or if that was just glorified concept art since the actual paradoxes we got are way different.

[@DuvalRypr]

The story was the worst part of the game for me. BW/BW2 are the pinnacle of Pokémon storytelling for me personally. The whole “we were bullied so we decided to band together” SJW-woke-soyboy angle is horrible. I could understand the bullying part being like, part of the story or a side plot but not the entire thing. It really ruined what was a great game for me.

[@ColonelCorson]

I think part of the reason why so many people were so upset with Scarlet and Violet's game performance was at least partially because Pokémon is the highest grossing media franchise on the planet. So a lot of people saw it as them not properly investing their massive resources into creating the games that make them so much money in the first place.

[@g.williams2047]

They know that people will buy it regardless. Why spend the time and money to not make the game look like Pokepark 1 and 2 when you can make the same money off it?

[@pokedude720]

And Xenoblade, BoTW, etc. (Heck, even arguably PLA despite it being worked on at the same time as S/V) showing what the Switch could do with Open Worlds so seeing what we got was less than expectations l

[@brennenrussell]

Even with “unlimited” resources, Pokemon is still beholden to release dates. That + their commitment to implementing a crazy amount of Pokemon to every game leads to restrictions

[@harleyjo4875]

Y’all DO realize Pokémon hasn’t been a ‘game’ since R/B/G, right?? Literally after the success of those games, it turned into an ‘IP’ and that’s all that mattered anymore. What was the first new version after the main games: YELLOW; a game that purposefully went to copy the anime for fan service. TCG, figurines and plush, clothing and birthday decorations galore, all of that is to sell IP, not the game. All of this extra shit, was NOT to help fund the games, it was to make money. Y’all really need to realize that there was NEVER a vision for the game after the event of ‘PokeFever’, and that it was far easier to just sell the aforementioned merchandise to capitalize; honestly the games are mostly just there for people like you who think “this is it, this is POKÉMON!!” when really they only release new games to introduce new monsters and the third game ISNT to get rid of inferior things from the previous two games and add nicer things, but to further capitalize on the franchise as a whole. When you “make so much money” you don’t reinvest it into what started you, you reinvest into what MAKES YOU FUCKING MONEY. That’s how you stay rich, and TPC and Nintendo aren’t trying to get poor. GameFreak literally had ZERO say in any of this, so it’s a cows opinion to bring them up.

[@harleyjo4875]

Guaran-fucking-teed they make WAY more money off of plushies and TCG than they do video games. I don’t think you understand how children’s marketing works, but things like Bakugan and Street Sharks were created LITERALLY to sell toys. There wouldn’t be a cartoon without the need for toys, and the toys wouldn’t survive if there wasn’t something fueling them up like some weird ass lore from the respective cartoon. Sorry if this is new information to you, but that’s literally how this industry works.

[@mandrews93]

My biggest gripe is that I made it up the right side of the map to the Glaseado Gym, realized I was now underleveled, went back to do the left side of the map, and was disgustingly overleveled, making exploration of the left side of the map feel like something I'm just rushing through to get back to a semi-competitive level balance.

[@kyleellis1825]

I just made a team for the Gyms and a TEam for the Flare bases/Titans. MAde it way more fun to have 2 teams I was swapping between.

[@GyroNitr0]

I have a team of all level 58 pokemon and have 2 badges I beat 2 titans and I've beaten 1 team star boss. Edit: I had to get this strong to fight the wild pokemon and catch them but now the most recent gym my third one the normal type one was no diff, I one shot everything

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

​@@kyleellis1825 Yeah, encourages you to try out different Pokemon. Raised a Torkoal to fight Ortega out of order, went back to my regular team afterwards. Since it was my own choice to go out of order, it wasn't a bother, it was me doing what I needed for the choices that I made.

[@kyleellis1825]

@@lyndsaybrown8471 It's so easy to train up a new team now, honestly it's more fun to have 10-15 pokemon to swap between. It's only once you hit the 70+ range that it really slows down, but you can just chansey farm at the Bluebery acadamy if you need to.

[@raider_reaper_4194]

It was beautiful for me because I was never overleveled. For the first time since Yellow version I caught different Pokemon at every turn and switched them out and tried them in my party. For the first time ever I boxed my starter. Also I'm a game collector. I just came off playing starfox 64, so the FPS thing didn't faze me 😅

[@Whelp140]

One of the best things about generation 9 is that DLC two gave us a bunch of double battles with some AI teams that actually had viable strategies and items and movesets to be able to teach casual players about competitive Pokemon

[@moonjelly5]

Wolf's ad reads are the perfect blend of enthusiasm and a hostage reading cue cards.

[@ZadBlue1]

​@@poweredmanNote: the Players Cups were the World equivalent for the relevant years, so Wolfe technically got the "best player in the world" title twice

[@zacmayes2802]

​@@poweredmanI mean it's an amazing feat. Only a handful have the title. World champ difference has been such a meme and I can't even complain anymore

[@Pedun42]

​@@poweredmanhe's also pretty much the single biggest target for scouting on the planet and still posts great tournament successes.

[@kylewillis439]

The games are awesome the dlcs have been trash

[@pk_player943]

@@poweredmankeep whining

[@Octoxrkr]

Pawmi learning necromancy will always be funny these Pikachu clones are getting bolder

[@medo05511]

STOP 😂

[@FrostDzNz]

Please never compare the GOAT to that undercooked raichu ever again.

[@StardustZee]

but it is a pikachu clone :V@@FrostDzNz

[@itsLantik]

Pawmi, the jabroni pokemon. That being said, Pawmi is cute, its evos suck tho imo.@@FrostDzNz

[@Bustdownbones]

Calling pikachu the goat feels like such an npc opinion lol

[@AzzyTheGreat]

Damn, I actually experienced only the following bugs on my personal playthrough of Scarlet: -Pokémon clipping into the landscape -Getting stuck on a rock once -Crashing a handful of times -Laggy framerate in certain spots The fact that some people got hilarious exorcist-style model malfunction almost makes me wish I'd experienced something like that. I had almost zero issues playing through the game.

[@genocidegames8423]

i mostly have laggy framerate drops and the odd pokemon stuck in the wall. I don't think i ever crashed, or stuck on anything in particular.

[@windrose5988]

"Only" This is the god-tier shilling Gamefreak dies for. ""Only"" issues that would be a problem in a N64 game in a triple A title released in 2022 for a latest generation game console. Newsflash: When other games have this kind of shit in them they're financial flops. Only GF gets away with making a game this shit and still having it be a best seller because they slapped the Pokemon label on it.

[@CCuppy29]

What did anyone see in the open world? Genuinely, there’s nothing to find.

[@xattrickmazeo5782]

People's obsession to have everything open world baffles me. Open world games are usually boring and game devs fill these empty boring worlds with 100's of things to collect, which is just tedious. And Game Freak lacks the ambition to make anything decent so we cannot expect them to make a good open world game at all. Open worlds will be the death of the pokemon franchise, especially when they keep getting rid of talented people after they finish a game.

[@vishwathayumanavan8777]

​@@xattrickmazeo5782I agree. I mean, open world games have a ton of potential. It's just that game freak isn't committed enough or talented enough to make it work. Even a game like spiderman on a console like the ps4 or ps5 have too many annoying ass collectibles.

[@sampicano]

I just played Pokémon Platinum for the first time after playing Let's Go Eevee and Shield. I would give Platinum an 8 or 9 out of 10. Like solid 8.9 maybe even 9.1 out of 10. I think Pokémon Shield is a 4.4 or 4.5 out of 10. I think Platinum is 100% replayable, and Shield isn't. I had FUN playing Platinum and did not playing Shield. I honestly think if 5 out of 10 is a (barely passable game). Then Shield is a 4.5. It is not fun, or replayable. I think Platinum is probably twice as good 8.8-9.1

[@pepepicapinto543]

What do you see in a long hand-held corridor scripted with useless and or random events? at least in an open world I feel immersed and I can explore on my own pace, making my adventure my own. God, Pokemon fans are literally trash piggies asking for the same shit year after year...

[@quijassajiuq900]

You can find Pokémon

[@FabledEnigma]

The quote that sticks with me is when i saw someone call scarlet and violet "the betas for the best pokemon games ever made" I love everything about scarlet and violet- except for the frame drops and glitches, if the games were just optimized a little more theyd easily be my favorite games in the franchise. The open world part of the game is fun, and its the first time in forever I -enjoyed- a pokemon story.

[@yophono5929]

Its not a beta though. They are asking full price with two really really expensive dlc for this shitsow.

[@natsuukii5866]

@@yophono5929 I think you missed their point, they're not stating the game itself is a beta they're stating that with how many bugs and issues it had it felt like a beta more than a full release. I also wouldnt call 17$ per dlc 'really really expensive'

[@NovelVanguard]

@@yophono5929weren’t the dlc cheaper this time around I got both for like 30 bucks altogether.

[@brennenrussell]

I would argue Legends of Arceus was the beta. I actually had a ton of fun on both games.

[@natsuukii5866]

@@brennenrussell i enjoyed both games a lot even with annoying volo, the music from gen 9 is what i loved the most even if the performance wasn’t up to par i still loved it a lot

[@Oxijinn_]

From my experience, Scarlet and Violet had some of the best groundwork out of any Pokémon game. Its open world aesthetic and good map and Pokémon design helps a lot. The issue is that the game barely got any polish, even outside of desperately needed bug fixes.

[@chimuoma390]

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[@jonfro-mez]

The open world was terrible, nothing was interesting to explore, every town was lame with barely anything to do. Awful awful awful games.

[@mathieul4303]

Good map 😂😂😂😂 Good design 😂😂😂😂

[@coreybroussard5264]

Legends Arceus was still 10X better than S/V

[@venheartzeil3070]

@@jonfro-mezgreat great great games.

[@LucidAtray07]

Imma be honest watching this made me constantly think 'Wolfey is exactly the type of player Nintendo wants/knows they have' lol aka yes the games were fun and had good things but the fact they know they can get away with this kind of thing while also technically being a 'AAA' game company is just....... yeah.

[@LiviKittyCutie]

Agreed, at this point I think nintendo just knows they can get away with it so they do so. They admitted to doing that with prices for their games and dlc, it’s not a stretch to say they do it with their game content too now.

[@windrose5988]

Don't blame Nintendo for Gamefreak's complete incompetence. Metroid, Zelda and Mario have all arguably had their best ever entries on the Switch, while Pokemon has slid further and further into mediocrity since gaining access to the home console market, it's their sheer incompetence at fault. For Once Nintendo isn't the bad guy, they just don't care so long as the IP still brings them money.

[@marcusclark1339]

this, he is a shill for giving a 10 and its absurd he views that as "different things i care about than other people" than something to have a objective standard for its crazy at all the first thought of poke players today is to still play or buy these mediocre games

[@Skele10bro]

I played these games in a basement and the way the games run, the way the games look, the half-baked story and the half-baked open world concept (that isn’t truly open world because of poor level design) all hold this game back tremendously. I don’t touch this game anymore unless there is a special event. Just because you liked the game doesn’t mean it was a well made game.

[@feickpehbehehy]

facts bro being in an open-world pokemon game its fun and gf definitely improved in characters department. still, the level design of the game is so lazy and the performance is rooough, let alone most of the textures and lightning

[@mattxzilla3938]

Ya fuckin’ nailed it with the chasm between what we could get and what we actually get as the biggest problem. It sucks they are not more incentivized to try harder to actually produce something that feels modern and professional. Our expectations stay a little low, and that saves them a lot. They creep forward, but rarely make leaps forward.

[@jonathangubbrud8748]

I would love to see difficult riddles and puzzles come back to Pokémon games (I.e. things like the original Regis quests etc and maybe some of the quest stuff from PLA)

[@justever5301]

It's impossible, those riddles were literally only difficult because we were kids

[@jonathangubbrud8748]

I guess it doesn’t even have to be riddles but just things that reward you for talking to the NPCs. In scarlet and violet it felt essentially pointless in contrast to PLA where clues led you to finding manaphy, shaymin, etc

[@JayceCH.]

About the Regi puzzles, you think you do, but you dont. They were virtually unsolvable and you had to use guides for them lmao. The PLA ones though, hell yea. They were the best next to like the Ruinous Quartet stakes.

[@ArminJarmin]

@@JayceCH. what a lot of people didn't know (mostly because we were kids) but all the braille was in the instruction booklets for the games. we had the answers right in front of us but most of us had no idea.

[@theguildmaster6806]

@@ArminJarmin So if you got them second hand you're fucked.

[@NoMind93]

I know this game has its issues but I love gen 9s story. Arvens story, as someone with a history of childhood neglect myself, made me tear up. Seeing Namona push you to improve because she views YOU as her treasure and Penny finally exonerating her friends after years of being misunderstood. I loved all of it. I completed the dex, ive shiny hunted. Ive dedicated more time to this gen than ANY other. And, for perspective, Im 30 and have been playing since gen 2. It has its performance issues but I love Scarlet and Violet. Genuinely my favorite pokemon games.

[@Austin2Sexy]

Imagine tearing up over a Pokemon game

[@shaunavant532]

​@Austin2Sexy imagine sitting on your lap typing a comment about a person having emotions for a videogame character just for nothing to happen or change in the slightest

[@captainmega6310]

​@@shaunavant532 Imagine getting mad at someone for being right

[@shaunavant532]

@captainmega6310 imagine wasting your jumping into ab old argument

[@pepepicapinto543]

chill out tough guy@@captainmega6310

[@tylerw5489]

My issue is I just don’t understand why we STILL don’t have voice acting by this point. Like I could forgive everything else but why can’t we get VA at this point 😩

[@anny8720]

There are only 8 language options and they could just give 1 female and male va for each trainer class + make the player silent with grunts like pla did and use the same jpn va like botw. No need to voice act every line too just for cutscenes + important characters. They could even keep the same vas for the anime...

[@calvinwilson3617]

Its simple, VAs would have raised the cost, and they only care about profit

[@lexaray5]

But I absolutely hate voice acting and all the games have it now. Let me have just one where I'm not cringing everytime a character starts talking, please I beg 😭

[@matthewroberts198]

​@@anny8720I say that's similar to Kingdom Hearts 1 where talking to people didn't have voice acting but the cutscenes did.

[@kyleellis1825]

Fallout has proven Voiceacting can make a game worse, especially when it's an RPG with character creator. Actually, Dragon Age 2 had the same issue as being far worse than the first one and 2 was the one to give the voiced dialogue for the MC.

[@regojozsa]

I played Violet straight after Xenoblade 3...so the visuals and performance issues were very noticeable. I still had a lot of fun with it, and the things that gen 9 does well are done REALLY well, but the areas the games struggle in are REALLY bad at the same time. Which is inexcusable for the most profitable multimedia franchise. When Cyberpunk 2077 and No Man's Sky got shredded by the public for being unfinished and unpolished, the devs apologised and worked hard to keep patching them until the games were much better. GameFreak and the Pokemon Company never acknowledged or apologised for the piss-poor execution of SV, and even a full year later, the games still look flat and hideous, and the performance isnt much better than at launch. There was even a gamebreaking bug if you preordered the dlc that could compromise your save file, which sucks because they dont let you back up your saves to the cloud to "stop hackers"...and thats bullshit because people still cheat in the game but now the average user is inconvenienced

[@RiftFishing]

Pokemon and Nintendo did acknowledge the poor performance issues in their patch notes and a few PR statements, but not to the extent most people wanted them to. In my experience Japanese companies usually don't do nearly as much damage control as Western ones. The games definitely aren't fixed, even if I think the games are in a much better place than launch in terms of crashes and general stability. Performance is bad and probably won't improve because it's mostly memory related, but I'm shocked there're still basic camera issues when exiting shops, or NPC flicker inside of small buildings like the academy. There's a very weird lack of consistency in the game, some mountain faces look good at a distance, and others have really ugly tiling. Some areas have no problem with pokemon spawning inside objects, and others are completely bugged out of their mind with spawn issues. It all probably boils down to both the need for GameFreak to update their engine, and QA issues with a larger team and world size. I really hope GameFreak puts in the proper time and effort to fix the fundamental issues here, because they've obviously addressed a lot of the gameplay, mechanic and story complaints, but it's so hard to enjoy things properly with all the issues.

[@Looser1121]

I went it from xenoblade chronicles 3 also.

[@crowevil4658]

@@RiftFishingtheir dev team hasn’t grown since Black and White. The issue is, no one will invest in meaningful hiring of new staff or extended the development life cycle. Could you imagine waiting 5+ years for a new title?? Honestly, that is what it takes, but instead of doing either, they are now neutering the game, and letting some defects make it to market because … Pokemon sells. I can’t believe they got away with it this time around.

[@BasedMamaJames617]

X3 is masterpiece of a game, I got 270 in it and love it. Its way better than 2 graphically, performance, and imo controls and gameplay wise (both stories good though along with the characters). You basically went from eating a 4 star michellin meal on the switch to macdonalds in quality.

[@Mojo1356]

The difference here is that while Cyberpunk 2077 and No Man’s Sky had so many problems other than optimization (especially Cyberpunk. That game was just bad mechanically and visually), SV are bad with optimization but have outstanding mechanics.

[@Riryz]

Personally I think the main reason why they were received so badly by the internet is because of PLA. Although not completely openworld and pokemon spawns werent random, PLA was insanely well made. Then when SV came out it just felt like a downgrade in terms of overall performance. Especially in the graphics and framerate department. So much so that it kind of outshined the good things.

[@lordmatz3435]

its just what they do at this point. deliver sometimes with a good game, than push out 5 unfinished projects. imo after emerald it was only downhill.

[@Solereaper21]

“PLA was insanely well made” huh? PLA had literally all the same issues SV had.

[@Riryz]

@@Solereaper21 Yeah, not really. SV is so much worse. I never lagged in PLA, the models werent glitchy, pokemon and characters were visible from far away AND not stuttering/animated with 3 frames, the outfits were awesome, etc. Sure there are things you can say depend from person to person, but at the very least performance wise PLA is definitely superior.

[@robertanderson4921]

Pokemon would hit a homerun if they just made PLA again but bigger.

[@Hachishaku-Sama]

PLA was so boring. If it has PvP battles, I would love the game. But to me, playing as a errand boy researcher to fill the Pokédex was a snoozefest. I never bothered to complete it and all it’s good for in my library nowadays, is for catching Hisuian forms for competitive battles.

[@CraftingGummi]

I was so conditioned from sw/sh to feel bad once I beat Nemona (right after the battle, I thought she was gonna cry or something) but no!! She's genuinely happy for you and how far you've gotten, and I think that's amazing. I didn't enjoy curbstoming Hop for the umpteenth time

[@PANICBLADE]

And then comes Kieran.

[@SNoodle]

@@PANICBLADEYeah but Kieran’s different, cause he ends up becoming spiteful and a HUGE dick, and that also ends up being his downfall.

[@posindustries]

@@SNoodle Someone once made the point that Kieran's story in Teal Mask is you utterly failing at your opportunity to be his Nemona, where, at least from his perspective, you roll up to his hometown out of nowhere, curbstomp all his little pokemon buddies, take off with his sister to do Arceus knows what, gaslight gatekeep girlboss him out of his own story, and then cap it all off by becoming the best friend of the legendary creature he's idolized his whole life, and then just leave. Obviously, from your own perspective it's apparent you're trying to do the opposite of all that, and the game does ultimately railroad you down a path you, the player in real life, can probably recognize is wrong, but it plays havoc with his own underlying insecurities and drives him to become the type of person he perceives you to be: a cocky ace trainer who wins at all costs.

[@Woutva]

Maybe its just my nostalgia getting the best of me, but how on earth is this story better than Gold/Silver/Crystal? I really dislike the fact that everyone in the recent pokemon games is full on LETS BE FRIENDS/CHEERLEADING all the time. A good mix is nice.

[@pepepicapinto543]

IDK man, I was a gen2 absolutist until I tried SV, the story is way more nuanced, way more interesting and way more emotionally mature than "team rocket bad, they do bad thing" "rival trainer bad, he dont treat pokemon good"

[@windrose5988]

And how many hours of a visual novel did you have to sit through in a franchise known to be for 12 year olds? No one comes to Pokemon games for Nuance and Emotional maturity and development time spent on that is development time better spent on _making a good game to play._ If I wanted an actually good story I'd read an actual visual novel, not this PG-7+ narrative for _literal_ infants.

[@7KRocks]

@@windrose5988 well Pokémon is a kids franchise you can tell when u see the age rating on the box the story may feel as if it’s made for children because it is

[@Aldoz]

Area Zero is what made the game special for me, I haven't really felt like this in a pokemon game basically since the distorion world in Platinum, which they sadly didnt add in the remakes. Area Zero is alien and the athmosphere is so different from anything else I've seen in pokemon, it truly stands out. Much of this is thanks to the great music made by Toby Fox, and I am excited to see if they will expand on this area in the DLC.

[@feasibilyheretical]

The music was good but God was it so empty and bland, it's litterally just a straight line to the bottom, it's a glorified path and it doesn't have the graphics to make up for it. In the distortion world you were atleast walking on walls and the ceiling jumping between floating platforms.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

@@feasibilyheretical Yeah the distortion world was unique, but there's not a lot of content in there, you only get to fight Cyrus and Giratina once in there and there's no reason to go back there after you finish the game. With Area Zero you have more reason to go back in there and it looks like it will play a big role in the upcoming DLC.

[@sierrablue2206]

my biggest issue with this franchise is the fact that we haven't gotten voice acting yet

[@Feast_]

Personally I didn't care until Paldean Winds started airing, Arvin, Nemona and Eri have voice acting and it makes me wonder what could have been

[@consolas2514]

I genuinely disagree, I think voice acting can completely ruin dialogue when done poorly, and pokemon isn't known for quality in the games nowadays

[@PlaystationFreak719]

I personally don't want voice acting in pokemon because I don't trust gamefreak enough to not fuck it

[@FTChomp9980]

After playing Persona 5 and Royal Pokemon needs voice acting the imagination excuse from GameFreak seriously voice acting rather it is bad or good adds depth to the characters.

[@poohcake9145]

..this is your biggest issue? For a pokemon game?

[@kjeldkaj]

I feel like everyone are forgetting that there really isn't anything to explore. The cities are all basically the same, with the same non-interior shops and cafés, and no real landmarks. Whenever you reach a new city, you just run to the gym and then go on because there is really nothing to discover (unlike the old pokemon-games)

[@MeargleSchmeargle]

Also the fact that they made ice types actually usable with some huge buffs like snow now providing a defense boost for ice types when active.

[@Nagatem]

Sometimes I can honestly overlook the slow down and bugs, but I’m still mad about the customization for the clothing

[@ArkanumKing]

Fr. Super annoying how the most important part of customization can hardly be even touched

[@tpfoxCastro]

Sorry, but SV has the best customization. It has the worst clothes, but character custimization in the game that doesn't involve clothing is amazing. The clothes are limited so you fit in that world. It's literally part of the story that team star is breaking the rules for wearing custom outfits

[@swasome5821]

@@tpfoxCastroI guess, but are you not on summer break or something? Uniforms for schools are only for when you are AT school.

[@lunanacomet]

the lack of D R I P is very concerning after how cute Gloria's clothes were smh.

[@xXunknownXx0000]

​@@tpfoxCastroI'm sorry what? Best bc the non clothing options are really good? Are fking serious? The other half you know the most important part of customization isn't even there sv isn't top 3 swsh was wayyyyy better everyone looked so different from each other sv was a massive down grade

[@redox4604]

What I would love for Gen 10 would be a similar open-world but with level scaling on leaders. They could easily code different teams for different milestones hit by the player, i.e. whatever you choose first and last would make it seem like it was meant to be played that way. New and better pokemon, moves, team compositions could help improve said teams. Would make the whole journey better imo, and would make the replayability funnier.

[@mattgezockt2596]

If they would only rescale the leaders and not the other trainers then there would still be an order because you dont have the appropriate level to reach the other gyms

[@redox4604]

@@mattgezockt2596 I really don't think scaling every trainer is the way to go, as that alone would take a lot of coding, memory and not to mention debugging. I also don't think I fought a single trainer in SV and still managed to comfortably stay at the levels, mainly due to the raid dens I suppose. Auto-battling also helped the mindless grinding. It wouldn't make sense either that trainers scale, as they are on a journey themselves kinda. What they could do is show the level range of the trainer before entering battle, and then mix in trainers of different levels around the same area.

[@TheKobuskobus]

​@@redox4604Scaling genuinely wouldn't take much code to implement, it could be as simple as a call to a method that adds a number to the trainername/id that they call to get the team depending on how many badges they have and almost all the trainers that aren't major battles do just have level up moves and random abilities, so it would just be a matter of variable levels depending on badges and for major battles, they're already making different 'scaled' versions of trainers like the rival, game freak can design good teams as shown in indigo disk so I'd love for them to spend a bit more time on scaling teams for the gyms at least instead of on removing quality of life features like jumping a page down/up in the bag that was in swsh but not in sv for some reason

[@genocidegames8423]

@@redox4604 i think the simplest way to do the whole scaling hting is to have each gym leader or equivelent there of having different teams of increasing level and difficulty depening on the number of badges you have.

[@hulkmt]

@@redox4604 memory? lmaooo

[@caryeverett8914]

A lot of people online noted that performance issues were extremely player specific. I got to observe this first hand, because my wife had practically no performance issues, whereas my game barely functioned. The difference was rather dramatic and we could see it side by side in the same room. Some people theorized it was an issue with different models of the Switch, which might well be, as I had an OLED model and my wife did not. I don't know if this was the cause, or if it had to do with the way we interacted with the game being different, such that I experienced a memory leak or something when she did not. Both of us had physical cartridges, so it's not an SD ve internal storage issue... Unless the extra data the game saves on the console is interacting with it badly. But the dramatic difference in performance between different players is very important to recognize to realize that people saying the issues are devastating are not being overdramatic, and the people saying they don't notice the issues aren't being shills. They are legitimately having different experiences.

[@kriichan6100]

I used to be an avid Pokemon disliker so I didn’t even know about this games existence, that was UNTIL I watched RTGame play through Pokemon Scarlet and I was immediately hooked. I could see the lag and frame rate drops in his videos but he didn’t care and neither did I. The game looked fun, the characters were interesting, the story was good and well paced, there was a lot to explore. Those are the things I first noticed when I watched the play through, THATS what got me to play the game, not how well it performed, how FUN it looked. And you know what? I don’t regret getting it. Pokemon Scarlet is my most played game and I enjoyed every second of the story and exploring the world. Sure the lag was annoying sometimes but the game itself is great. Hate to see people shitting on the game when the game itself is good, the company behind the game should be ashamed for releasing it with bugs, but the game is what got me into Pokemon. I love it.

[@n1cnicnic]

Personally, I’m a huge fan of Pneumonia as a rival as well. Had multiple really breathtaking moments in the game!

[@SlitherWing959]

Can’t even tell if that was a typo💀

[@Hachishaku-Sama]

I don’t think that was a typo lol he was memeing on how Wolfy was pronouncing Namona’s name and it’s hilarious.

[@Israel_Augustine]

@@Hachishaku-Sama*Nemona

[@Hachishaku-Sama]

@@Israel_Augustine Pneumonia* actually

[@jonathangubbrud8748]

Please tell me the pun was intended 😂😂😂 or am I the only one that is noticing

[@TopNotchOtter]

Scarlet and Violet's smartest move was definitely separating the storylines into three distinct routes, since it let each one shine in its own unique way and not interrupt the other routes in the process. Nemona, Arven and Penny each became likeable to me because I felt I was getting to know them one on one. And then, the big finale was an adventure into the unknown with all three of them that made it feel like an actual group of friends due to knowing each of them as individuals. This made the impact of the ending and the credits work better on me than any Pokémon game I think I have played before, except possibly a mystery dungeon game. Like, Celestial actually had me smiling because it fit so well to me. I know I rambled a bit there, but my point is... Scarlet and Violet may of had a lot of bugs... but I can't say I have enjoyed a Pokémon game in such a way since I was a kid playing mystery dungeon, and that is because I finally got to go through my journey with characters who I felt I had a genuine connection to rather than an artificial one made to move the plot along, and that was special enough to me that I genuinely didn't care about the hardware problems because I was invested into the plot.

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

Yeah, they don't interrupt each other because this game is so glitchy that you don't actually need the HM-equivalent for your ride mon from the titans to traverse through the region - you can just Skyrim around.

[@shatteredsentient5321]

And all of them were terrible. They tried to make me care for some dog and bullied losers with no buildup😂.

[@CringeAnimePFP160]

@@shatteredsentient5321 Damn... each to their own, I guess.

[@gio_roll4]

Except for the dog one, that i undoubtly understand, i have to agree with you sir

[@calebb3500]

I agree with everything except I found penny to be very cringe and annoying. The little “help all of my friends be good people” storyline was so bland too. Saw her big “reveal” from a mile away… I finished the other two stories before even touching this one and was so underwhelmed by the bases and characters.

[@kingpig8732]

Most money making media franchise in the world and they're struggling with making the games even perform well, the backlash is totally justified, people should expect better like come on, breath of the wild looks better, runs better and was launched in 2017, yeah s/v might have some good aspects but the sales numbers are just showing that nintendo and gamefreak can get away with making a half baked game, never fixing it and putting it at 60 dollars and then releasing dlc that costs even more plus not even fixing anything. Imagine in the future when people will be paying for an 80 dollar pokemon game with 5 dlcs that runs like a powerpoint presentation, this shouldn't be normalised

[@ralecgos3631]

I really missed fishing, the bike, and surfing on your preferred Pokémon. I also missed being able to change my clothes, instead of just a few school uniforms.

[@jackrockstar1]

Playing through Violet currently. The game isn’t terrible, but the fact of the frame rate chugs so much legitimately gives me a headache whenever I play.

[@blank8447]

What i dislike about the game so much is the world design Like take gen 5 as a comparison. In gen 5 you could go into almost every building, each town had its own little background story and unique characters that are not relevant for a playthrought whatsoever In scarlet and violet you have a gym, a pokemart and a pokecenter and that counts as a town. The region design is just overall completely lacking

[@lunarsprite4209]

@@blank8447 The only thing you can really compare it to is gen 5. Like why does it matter so much the graphics are lacking when at least it has a great story, so much content compared to literally every other pokemon game and other things? I agree that gen 5 remakes were objectively the best but scarlet and violet brought an experience way more fun than any other pokemon game

[@Wuerschtle]

@@lunarsprite4209bad graphics are one thing, the main problem is that the game runs like shit despite looking bad. If you have bad graphics, better have 60fps locked.

[@lunarsprite4209]

@@Wuerschtle Oh ok i didnt really have many performance issues but I see what you mean

[@Voliharmin]

No matter how serious this issue is 'Frame rate gave me a headache' sounds funny.

[@Mwolf55]

Biggest issue i had was disconnections at NAIC. I fidnt know pokemon had a sudden death, and i still wouldnt if the game performed well.

[@chasebannedspeedrun]

its the games fault that you have a network disconnection?

[@mathieul4303]

​@@chasebannedspeedrunyes, it's the game fault lol, what kind of question is that?

[@DaShikuXI]

@@mathieul4303 Wasn't that entirely due to hardware failure?

[@floofzykitty5072]

​@@chasebannedspeedrun You clearly don't understand how bad Nintendo's netcode is.

[@Mwolf55]

@@chasebannedspeedrun it was at an in person event on a direct wired connection, so yeah it was a them issue.

[@anonymouslyyoutubing2004]

I had so much fun with Violet but STILL haven’t finished it. Watching this , I now realize I’m getting motion sick as well! Can only play in 15 minute bursts without feeling gross!

[@melloweyyy4923]

Thank you for saying this! Haven't seen much talk about people getting motion sick online, but it is very real. I find this game isn't just technically bad but visually as well. I hate the new art style, and the lack of shadows doesn't help. I think the worst part is when the hills and ground just morph in front of you. I want to love this game, but with the visuals, glitches, and overall empty open world, it makes it difficult to want to come back and difficult to love.

[@EricBurns1]

One fix I found for frame rate (it's so dumb this works), look up a little higher than you would normally. It's easier for the game to load the sky than the grass. However, in the lake I have to look completely vertical for good frame rate lol

[@anonymouslyyoutubing2004]

@@EricBurns1 I’ll give that a shot! Thanks!

[@EricBurns1]

@@anonymouslyyoutubing2004 let me know if it works!

[@cityrat3237]

I HATED the games on release. I played like 30 min when I bought it and didn’t touch the games until over a year later. I gave them another shot and I’ve been playing it non stop the last few months and I love the games 😂 they make getting into competitive battle so much easier and are genuinely a fun experience.

[@Tonypollyoly]

Biggest issue for me was the pacing of battling. No way to skip some battle animations and terratializing took so long I didn’t even want to use it. Second biggest issue was the pop in of everything, not as fun exploring when you can’t see something in the distance you want to explore, and riding around is basically just dodging Pokémon as they pop in

[@anny8720]

pop in + all the tiny bird and insect pokemon you can barely see while riding miraidon until you run into them

[@Mojo1356]

You might wanna go back to Sword and Shield then. If you think the pacing is slow here for some reason, you will lose your sanity with that gen. Heck, the original Diamond and Pearl are the pinnacle of battles taking 3,000 years.

[@Mookie908]

@@Mojo1356we all know this. That game is a decade plus old

[@Kasaaz]

On Level Scaling: I think having a set minimum level for each gym would work, based on the wild mons around it, but let it scale up to the player's party like they do in the DLCs.

[@JayceCH.]

Ima be real. They should force set mode, lower/balance EXP gain (Exp Share isnt the problem morons. Literally EVERY TURN BASED GAME SHARES EXP.), and then do something about level scaling.

[@PandaKnightsFightingDragons]

that still doesn't fix the issue. If the game is trying to be truly open world then when I get to the "last gym" should not matter. Your solution fixes getting to a gym overleveled, but it still limits the player's ability to do the gyms in any order they want.

[@vgmaster02]

The DLC doesn't scale either. It's just based on whether or not you beat The Way Home. So if you've done every single badge battle, but still haven't done any of the final battles to finish each of the three stories, then you're going into the DLC (which is all level 20-ish pre-Way Home) with a team in the high-50s/low-60s and are gonna steamroll the DLC with zero issue. Now, if you wait until after beating The Way Home, then the level curve will follow along exactly as intended. But....yeah, the DLC doesn't level scale. It's literally "did you beat the final story yet? If yes, have level 60+ pokemon. If no, have level 20+" with no in between.

[@Kasaaz]

@@vgmaster02 Gotcha!

[@naganut9718]

​@@PandaKnightsFightingDragonsI feel like the reason why it doesn't do level scaling is sort of the fact that you can choose whether to go on a harder area or go the easier route

[@theViperNL]

For me by far the biggest issue was the FPS issue. the FPS drops physically hurt my head, mainly because of it's combination with the graphics which aren't clean and then the FPS drops being a cherry on the cake. And I'm used to choppy games, I played Skyrim on my school laptop with drops to 15 FPS and played plenty of unoptimized games. Yet none got to me the way Pokemon did. It was like I'm trying to work in the most sloppy and unorganized room you've ever seen. I felt my head going in and out of focus so many times I just couldn't go on. Still finished it, but over the course of months in sessions of 1 hour max. It made me appreciate Sword and Shield more as at least those games didn't have drops and had clean graphics outside of the open-worlds. After PLA and Violet/Scarlet, the graphics of SwSh open-worlds didnt feel that bad anymore, as a place where you only come to pick up some pokemon and not spend much time more.

[@idontuploadanym0re]

the story. the characters. the MYSTERY. fuecoco. these are what made gen 9 for me. i had so much fun on my initial play through that i almost cried when the credits rolled. i haven’t picked up the game in a while but i plan to now so i can do area zero dlc

[@Quaxo21]

Facts

[@Evie0133]

Honestly the performance and visuals are the two biggest problems I had with the game, otherwise I had loads of fun with it, haven't felt the desire to explore this much in a Pokemon game in a while, felt even more open than PLA! I guess I want more complex puzzles and mazes, but still a fun game! Also the music in SV bangs hard, one of my all time favorite Pokemon OST :D

[@hayleeh18]

Honestly that first dive into Area Zero still plays in my head often. Five friends (Koraidon / Miraidon included) leaping into the unknown, into danger, and into a fantastical place to help each other and the region. Seeing how beautiful Area Zero is and hearing the music for the first time. It was so cool

[@shatteredsentient5321]

The textures made me want to puke. Music was amazing though 🙌

[@grimplaysminecraft746]

The music really made it feel like such an imposing and breath taking scene. ❤

[@CraftingGummi]

Going into unimaginable danger, but we weren't alone. Listening to them all argue was pretty funny too.

[@EricBurns1]

Area Zero is the best looking spot in all of Pokemon history. It looks and sounds like they combined Pokemon and Halo.

[@rodroinrainbows9929]

You know, it would be kinda cool that would be the sensation for about 20 hours, not 2. It was not worth for me to endure 40+ hours of this game for a butchered endgame in the Area 0 expanded poorly in the DLCs.

[@larslionheart]

I had almost no crazy visual bugs and the one I had was honestly fantastic it just made my pose like a Backstreet Boy before the pokeball was thrown

[@lethe.archive]

As a living dex player who moonlights as a shiny hunter the no overworld shiny indicator will always be a sticking point for me. The performance issues, lack of unique npc interactions and completely underdeveloped locations with only one house (your house) having an explorable interior makes the game feel just dead to me. going back to any previous game mainline game i’ve never seen one so devoid of environmental personality. It’s all the same repeated cliff texture everywhere. I’ve had to play through the games several times because my switch was stolen and I’m a living dex player so I’ve had 2 full playthroughs of each ver and the amount of dialogue for the star team quests in mindnumbing. You have to talk to three different people (penny, the director, and a third npc that varies) at the beginning and end of each part of that quest. It’s absolutely exhausting button mashing your way through it. The story is great and the main rivals and leaders are great and the battle gimmick is great, much better than average. I just dont imagine i’m going to think about it much once its lifespan is over. Arceus is also my favorite pokemon game of all time so take that as you will.

[@fuecOHKO]

I was fine with the glitches. What really got under my skin was the graphics. Every mountain has the exact same early 2000s ass texture. EVERY SINGLE GRASS PATCH looked the same.

[@tomizuka4206]

framerate was the biggest issue for me, literally hurts my eyes I'd rather have them downgrade the graphics even more but at least run good

[@codexe.]

Yes as someone who plays Minecraft on lowest graphics all day the game looked awful

[@jerm7741]

Even to this day a year after it's released they haven't patched or fixed a frame rate. Fuck that the game is terrible. You don't respect your players

[@xzxmemoxzx]

did you play sword and shield?

[@lorentzok4701]

I found that this is more of a composition problem, game like elden ring dont have an exellent graphic but have an exellent composition of mountains, colors, distance, and overall ambient that makes the game so beautyfull to look at

[@turndownforwalt]

Editor here! I had a blast putting this one together and I’d love to hear any and all feedback. Looking forward to the next one!

[@JDSlidemaster]

Little Z detected

[@LordBathtub]

Tell Wolf to stop be such a GameFreak apologist already, he's a huge figure in the Pokemon scene and could genuinely have some influence so to see him giving passes for all the unforgivable issues with this game is disappointing

[@giovanniteza9900]

Hi, i like very much the way You edit, thank you very much🎉

[@mgauslexo9118]

Pokemon S/V are definitely my favourite Switch games. Definitely performance issues but I can't say I've had this much fun in a pokemon game for a long time! Makes me super optimistic to think of potential Pokemon games in the future when there is better hardware!

[@Natibe_]

It goes arceus, SV, LGPE, SwSh, BDSP for me. The first two are honestly as good as the 3ds era titles, if you don’t include the issue that they’ve been dexited (and in arceus’s case, even including that). I didn’t like the visuals in SV much but honestly, I was hating the switch visuals even in SwSh so by the time we got SV I was used to it (and I actually like them a bit more because there is at least some color in SV). The performance issues can be a little jarring but I play some really slow, laggy games on PC and I don’t really mind. It’s not like the game is dropping 50 frames like you just walked into a modded minecraft machinery room.

[@Milo0610]

Thats why gamefreak knows they can get away with this garbage cuz of people like you

[@daethmer7834]

But what has hardware has to do with this? You have games like Skyrim or zelda running on switch, looking AND running way better, so it's clearly not the hardware problem but lazy team

[@Just.SomeGuYontheweb]

Try other games that aren't mainstream. Actual game developers try to make goos games. People are more critic the more knowledgeable they are, and being ignorant makes you more easily manipulated, no wonder how so many people bought games that aren't worth their cost, compared to games that are objectively better and cheaper.

[@shmooters5599]

Just got the game yesterday. Finally decided to give it a shot despite all the uproar online, because all the pokemon look really nice. I must say that so far, I’ve honestly been really liking it. There’s lots of things that I think have been done well: the overworld spawns, being able to quickly grind, the designs of course, access to the pc whenever, and being able to walk around w/ your Pokémon again. There are certainly still some performance issues, but I genuinely do still think it is a really good game despite them.

[@FreedomDaveX]

My biggest issue is the world design. I wish the world was more interactive with puzzles and quests. There are no houses with npcs in the middle of nowhere and you can’t go into houses in the towns. There is also no incentive to talking to every npc in town. There also aren’t much in the way of dungeons. Area Zero is the only true dungeon in the game beside a few large cave systems.

[@VanessaDMusic]

Absolutely agreed

[@pepepicapinto543]

Why do y'all like talking to every NPC? that's literally the thing I hate most of any pokemon, it's just random, you just have to click A 20 times until someone gives you something useful, how are so many people fond of this? I don't understand

[@despacitospider2609]

@@pepepicapinto543Pokémon s/v is Open world so I never once tried to go inside a building that wasn’t relevant

[@immortaliron2475]

The games aren’t bad per se. They just needed more time in the oven.

[@TheoHawk316]

3 years was enough time to build a game on the 3DS, but not the Switch

[@prinshab1076]

​@@TheoHawk316Exactly

[@DaShikuXI]

What we really need is alternating studios, like the way call of duty does it.

[@immortaliron2475]

@@DaShikuXI you really want a mainline game done by ilca again?

[@TheTalmon18]

@@immortaliron2475BDSP was far better (aesthetically) than S/V.

[@keskivertosuomimies5892]

Introducing new paradox mon: Iron Hemorrhoids Type: Steel/Fairy Base Stats: 200/200/200/200/200/200 Signature move: Fuck You (300 BP, doesn’t check accuracy, always crits, +6 priority) Ability: doubles all stats

[@Aghul]

What annoyed me the most about SV wasn't even the bugs and the p*ss-poor performance (both of which I had to deal with in my own playthrough and did not enjoy, especially the framerate of everything that's more than 2cm away from the camera) - my biggest gripe was the world itself. It's DEAD. Such a big world (for a Pokemon game anyway) and they don't even manage to make the few cities they have feel alive. Heck, not even the MAIN city. No houses to enter, no shops to actually explore, most NPCs you can't even speak to... They even put several of the same store in the same town, in almost every town. That is just absolutely lazy world design and even lazier programming for a full-price title. I paid 20 bucks less for Legends Arceus and had WAY more fun playing it and the world was a lot more interesting to explore.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

When a game releases to serious technical issues, performance dips, and other bugs that create issues for commonplace players; not even dedicated bug hunters looking for 1-in-a-million glitches; that's unacceptable. It cannot be overstated how valuable the consumer's money is. You won't find a bigger advocate anywhere else. When I pay for a thing that is being sold on a store shelf, there is an implicit contract between producer and consumer that said product is in proper, working order, and will function as intended. Defects and imperfections are expected, no process is perfect, but there is a reasonable expectation of functionality there. When you have to wait months or even years for a game to "patch" its way into proper functionality, that should not be considered an acceptable, ethical practice, no matter how good the "idea" was, or how good the game ends up being. The ends do not justify the means. Demand more from your media, save your money.

[@kdebones]

I'm not surprised Alpharad's issues from the Soullink made it into this video about the actual issues the game had.

[@0008loser]

Soullink?

[@furiouscorgi6614]

​@@0008loserAlpharad and Pokémon Challenges did a soullink

[@riplix20]

​@@furiouscorgi6614im pretty sure by saying " Soullink? " theyre implying they dont know what one is, not where to find one...

[@archedeus]

@@0008loser soullink is playing the game as a co-op nuzlocke

[@liviquail]

​@@0008loser A SoulLink is a two-player nuzlocke, in which the players' Pokémon are linked. If one player's Pokémon dies, the other player's equivalent Pokémon also dies.

[@daviethehedgehog6317]

The lack of level scaling really killed my enjoyment of this game. It feels like the game wants you to explore the region how you want, but also wants you to do it in a set order which isn't what I want. The "three paths" feels like a total lie to me when it feels like only one story that you're forced to go all the way through. I wouldn't mind it if each path lead to the credits and was their own storyline, ending off with the original ending being the post game story we usually know. But instead, I got a game where I only enjoyed Path of Legends and Area Zero. (seriously the ending is so good but the journey was not worth it) I even did a 2nd playthrough since I got a Switch Lite and had Pokémon Violet, but I remember just not caring once I got up to Larry despite me playing the game in the "intended" order. Regardless I did end up buying the DLC (thank god for gold points giving me a discount on it), and I'm looking into that with an open mind. (Teal Mask was way too short to complete for me) I can see potential in an open world Pokémon game, and I can see how people can enjoy this title and even consider it their favorites. I will admit I have a little fun with this game, but to me these are the worst Pokémon games, and I really hope Generation 10 is good.

[@iwearLingerie]

As a pokemon game they're good but as far as RPG games are concerned they're bad Games like Monster hunter stories 2 and Dragon quest 11 absolutely humilate Pokemon scarlet and violet Hogwards legacy is incredible on the switch and makes Game Freak look incompetent

[@StillJustAJ]

Gen 7 were always my favorite games, I loved the wormholes and man the postgame was really good. ITS BEEN 8 YEARS and we’ve moved 2 gens. I don’t know why but before gen 8 and the switch, new gen’s felt like every year, because of DLC nowadays I feel postgame lacks a lot. I miss the omega ruby alpha sapphire days of A BIG ASS postgame without having to wait a year

[@michael674100]

a battle tower and or rebattling elite 4 with increasing difficulting would go a long way man :(

[@Grazzzzzel]

any sort of of postgame would help this game sooo much. the tera raids are awful and unplayable most of the time

[@FTChomp9980]

Modern Pokemon lacks in Postgame content back then we had so much to do.

[@OriginalGameteer]

The fact that the possible closest thing to a refightable e4 in this game might be locked behind dlc (the 4 students from the blueberry school) actively disgusts me Somehow the gen 4 remakes managed to do gym leader and e4 rematches amazingly... and this game didn't

[@williamoshea6437]

No need for battle tower when you can battle online and buy items without battle points

[@trip1295]

​@@williamoshea6437I think tera shards and herba mystica would be great rewards bc it gives post game alternatives instead of forcing you to smash your head against a wall in tera raids with users who aren't hunting for synergy

[@HoChiPro]

The main problem I have is that I cannot with pure intentions recommend SV to those new to the franchise. Sure in a vacuum this is one has more highs, but the lows are where the line is drawn. Is it worth making someone sit through that early game, get punished for pressing on ahead, or experiencing all that lag for hours? I’m having a blast with online doubles but the path to get there for noobs is long and far.

[@naganut9718]

I mean gen 1 is buggy as hell lol. I see what you mean tho

[@matteoinvernazzi4331]

​@@naganut9718 gen 1 still has a not good not bad pixel art for that time, was made from 0, had a few non game breaking glitches if not activelu searched and a interconnected map, all of this on the game boy. oh and don't remember they just created the basis of the whole combact system, which to an extent is literally the same as today (pkmn vs pkmn, 2 hp bars and 4 moves each). instead This game is made by a multi billion dollar company, sell at 60 euros, with glitch and bugs noticeable from the beginning of the game, some game crashing bugs, low frame rate, the poorest art direction ever made (poor map, city design and in general level scaling), performances on the technical side which are unbelievably out of time, lack of post game content and a very empty open world . On top of that, instead of fixing all of those issues they released 2 dlc at 30 euros. Oh and the story of the first dlc is narrated by a youtube video.

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

I think if someone has never played Pokemon before, the newest gen is always the best recommendation. I didn't experience a significant amount of lag. As for the order, just tell them to head for the Rock Titan and Team Star Fire base and keep heading right if they want to get used to the game mechanics, head left for a challenge. Another reason to recommend the newest version is the significant amount of quality of life updates. With the Indigo DLC punishing you for just using whatever, I figured I might as well try EV training and using an actual, planned out team. Having read up on how to EV train in this game, which includes many "you no longer..." statements, this would be the best gen for a new comer to get into competitive Pokemon. Oh, and the hold items are mostly all for sale at Delibird Presents, so that's easier also.

[@windrose5988]

@@naganut9718 You haven't played gen 1. No, Gen 1 is not 'buggy as hell'. yes, it has more bugs than any other Pokemon game, but none of those bugs are apparent in normal gameplay, or are so prevalent they look like intended gameplay anyway and thus don't ruin the experience. Losing 10% of all time spent playing a game to framedrops ruins your experience, HM cut always being a critical hit due to a programming oversight does nothing but make you think 'oh, so that's what move does, neat.' To the point where the only way to even know most of these are bugs is by knowing developer intent.

[@naganut9718]

@@windrose5988 tf you yappin about? A drop in framerate isn't a bug, that's just being unoptimized. And yes, I say gen 1 is buggy as hell, literally because it has more bugs than any other Pokemon game. Psychic immuned to Ghosts, Glitch City, Missigno, 255/256 glitch, can't recover in a certail health glitch, and many others are example of glitches in Pokemon RBY. Hell, without the glitches, RBY Pokemon competitive wouldn't be as iconic as it is now

[@milesX2]

14:25 You do now. Basically, I only noticed the bad parts after hearing about them, and I only had enough knowledge to start based on cool purple Pokémon. I barely noticed all the glitch until afterwards. I've been a mortal kombat fan my whole life, and Im already leaning to saying P:V is my favorite game on my switch

[@tielmaster7879]

This is the first generation I had to force myself to finish, because i bought a copy for my self and siblings so we could play together. The game ran so bad on my launch switch that it was basically unplayable for me. Forget coop, I barely finished the main story. The best part about pokemon for me is exploring the wilderness and towns. The wilderness lagged so much it wasn't fun. The towns and cities are the worst in the franchise. Can't enter most of the buildings, just menus and some of the worst performances in the game. All this sucked especially because the games actually had a decent story and I loved the team star boss fights. But the games were broken and ultimately my least enjoyed pokemon experience by far. Edit: They also said they would fix the games with updates. Straight up lie. Any other franchise the fans would destroy the games critically. We Pokemon fans are the part of the reason pokemon performance js so bad, the next game could be this bad and not be fixed and it will sell just as well.

[@GameMachineHQ]

Violet was my first pokémon game and i loved it. I wasn't aware of the internet's reaction and i didn't experience any bugs. So going in blind Gen 9 made me a fan of the entire pokémon series

[@Rin_The_Pianist]

For me personally this Generation got me back into the Series and i really really enjoyed it.

[@damson9470]

same here. it's just so much fun and it really immersed me

[@slotholopolis2314]

Just a note on changing Tera types: it is for sure still a grind but finishing the Kitakami Dex gives you an item that increases your Tera shard yield. You're guaranteed 10 for a 5 star den for instance with the actual number usually hitting in the 15-18 range. While not super easy, it's a much better balance of "earning it" vs grinding forever.

[@HazeEmry]

"earning it"? More like "paid for it". Sucks it's behind the DLC

[@PANICBLADE]

​@@HazeEmryBehind DLC AND Dex completion.

[@HazeEmry]

@@PANICBLADE ah yes _even better_

[@megazorzz]

I really enjoyed the school sections. They definitely were drawing from Persona a bit for those. The instructors each having their own outlook on pokemon and sometimes having problems that have nothing to do with pokemon proper was refreshing to see. They were all a bit unhinged in a good way

[@anny8720]

I loved that one home ec class where you can pick on Arven 😭 seeing him and Nemona in the classroom was so cute

[@favna]

I love wolfey's insistence to call Nemona Pneumonia. They really dropped the ball hard with her English name 😂.

[@jericho86]

The worst part about the high-level raids is that if you don't have a pokemon that's a good match for it, you probably can't train on up by the time the raid expires.

[@draegore]

Arceus is usually a good pick if you have one. You can change plates and use Normal (or Stellar typr if you have the dlc)

[@kidicarus1998]

another small thing that bothered me was some convenience functions. the ability to scroll faster through selections in the menu's, the ability to switch selection mode in the boxes. it's just not snappy enough. the older games were capable of switching through screens really fast and have a nice selection system, the way it is already implemented in Sword and Shield aswell. it simply does not run smooth enough personally.

[@rodroinrainbows9929]

They were WORSE than we thought. Fuck these games, really.

[@venheartzeil3070]

The games had their issues from a technical standpoint. The character design, Pokémon design and story are all the best in the series. The mechanic is also really fun competitively even if it’s a bit uninspired. Tera doesn’t feel as gamebreaking as mega or dynamax and that’s refreshing [even though I’d kill to have megas back].

[@piens51]

Lets not forget how empty the world actually is and how the towns are pointless. No real side quests or random chaliges hiden in some rando house as it was somtimes in past.

[@_TristanGray]

Tera is so good because, relative to dynamax and megas, every pokemon REALLY wants to do it, for a ton of reasons. Even with ogerpon working specifically different with Tera, it isn’t overly centralized like it was with gigantamax or megas.

[@jimtsap04]

Character designs have always been great and best in the series is kind of a reach when half of them are in school outfits, pokemon designs are very subjective so I'm not gonna argue about that, story still has nothing on gen 5, it just feels like a lot of wasted potential for the sake of shoehorning in the "open world", apart from at least integrating the future and past themes into the pokemon themselves making the 2 different versions finally actually feel different from one another. Tera is a broken mechanic that is way too generic and turns most games into coin flips of who uses tera at the right time to catch the opponent off guard, turning any potential weakness of a pokemon like a 4x weakness into a strength and often winning games on the spot, it may be fun in single player if not a bit boring tho still not as fun as megas and dynamax but in competitive it's a massively hated gimmick for good reason especially in singles, being less broken than dynamax is not a high bar anyways, megas are a different story cause only select mons could use mega stones and only some of them were broken so I wouldn't compare them to the other gimmicks

[@mathieul4303]

The character designs and pokemon designs were better in the past.

[@zonastarwars4397]

@@piens51 I don't remember any pokemon game having great side quests lmao. The base game has 3 different story arcs and you could definitely consider one of them a side quest. Apart from that the DLC also introduced other side quests.

[@Devn8tr]

For my experience with the open world. I love to battle trainers and catch everything I see from the beginning of the game. So I just kept exploring till like lvl 20s started jumping between titans and gyms then checked which I missed and returned to the first gym at lvl 40. Constantly over leveled throughout my playthrough but it’s cause I did so much extra

[@blackmark2899]

The most problems I faced with S/V was the lag, the popping textures and pokemon, and the almost consistent drop in framerate. Did I enjoy my time? A little, on my first playthrough. I really couldn't do it for later playthrough. Level distribution was pretty bad, going into any forest area was an immediate drop in framerate, most of all, for an open world game, it felt really constricting in what you could do at any given time. The graphics aren't super important to me but if your gameplay isn't that fun OR your game is having functional issues, then bad graphics only add to that. You probably a better experience than most in your first playthrough but I could not have given that game any higher than a 5 / 10.

[@Houlgravely]

Lol....I think I'm just going to go back to playing my Pokemon Prism romhack and forget the last few generations exist at this point. Life seems a lot better that way. These games look horrendous no matter how you slice it. Long live Phancero, the only truly good legendary bird.

[@R34p3r94]

I think you were right, the games gave a lot of people a lot of fun, the worst part is that gamefreak knew they could get away with this and that’s why they didn’t care

[@pepepicapinto543]

And that's why nobody should buy their next games until the post launch reviews come out, and if they're closely as bad as SV, and people still don't buy, they'll definitely listen

[@Trevor-kc6zv]

I actually really loved this game the first time I played it for basically the same reasons Wolfey said. It was fun, exciting, and heartwarming For Nuzlockes (which I have failed a few by now) I love the idea of random Tera raids for encounters. Kinda makes it easier to get good Pokémon early instead of just the rodent, bug, and bird. Raids are fun and way better than they were in gen 8 The entire map being one huge area is so fun. Nowhere is off limits with your legendary. It’s also sick that there’s like ten pseudos. Making TMs is awesome since finding one Ice Beam TM means Ice Beam TMs for everyone after a bit of grinding

[@iancalhoun7644]

I started working at a school during covid, doing a before and after class for grades k-3, and this was the first major game i got to play with them, and sharing my years of pokmon knowledge with. I KNOW i am overrating it, but damn do i love these games.

[@crowevil4658]

This is the worst pokemon game. Because they have always done the bare minimum in terms of innovation. Plus the rest of the list below. 1. Beautiful Pokemon models roaming shitty environments. 2. Unstable frame rates and low frame rates (windmills don’t move like that). 3. Short draw distance. 4. Lacking customization, even post-game casual clothes, cannot decorate your dorm, etc. 5. Horrible net code, time outs, latency, inability to search. 6. Lifeless towns and cities. NPCs that cannot talk to you and no entry to virtually any building. 7. Clipping, as pokemon still clip through environments and there are still numerous visual glitches. 8. Despite greater quality of life changes, not all things can be completed in game, i.e. required to have older copies of games to gain access to available pokemon not found natively in the game AND single use TMs. 9. Interesting lore that still does not go far enough. 3 branching stories is unique, but doesn’t provide enough to keep us interested until DLC is out. And even with revelations in the leaked epilogue or the Crystal pool, they just fall flat. 10. No difficulty setting at the start of the game. Indigo Disk is cool with double battles and competitive play, but give us the option from the start. 11. Still zero voice acting.

[@Adjudicator1]

As a longtime Pokemon fan, I would normally be thinking that much of the hate could be a little too extreme, given the Switch's hardware. Then I remembered how Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, despite having a richer overworld, has significantly less technical issues. One may argue that a Pokemon game with complexity of populating wild Pokemon would justify the compromises made just to have barely passable performance on the Nintendo switch, but then the release of PocketPal's Palworld, created by an independent studio quickly shuts that argument down. If Palworl gets ported to Switch and has NONE of the technical issues, it will truly justify the vitriol against the optimisation and technical performance aspects.

[@crowevil4658]

@@Adjudicator1 the dev team is comprised of most of the same staff and hasn’t significant grown since I believe BW. The trinity (TPC, NES, GF) doesn’t invest much more dollars into their projects unfortunately, or extend their timeline of development. Much of what I listed could’ve been addressed, but it takes time or more staff. These tight release plans were never sustainable, and now we are seeing the byproduct more clearly. Someone must believe that Pokemon will be forgotten unless there is another game or spin off every couple of years. I think the franchise will be fine, and their merchandising department could really go crazy.

[@FervyAbsoLover]

Pokémon Scarlet is my favorite pokémon game ever; but it does NOT take away from the fact that Game Freak desperately needs to be more ambitious and hire a bigger team. The PKMN Company is so damn rich, they can definitely afford it

[@ItsTornHD]

Despite having borderline unplayable performance at times, Scarlet and Violet was the most fun I've had playing a new pokemon game since B2/W2. Gen 6, 7, and 8 did not grip me in the same way gens 1-5 gripped me leading me to drop the games entirely around halfway through the main story. S/V genuinely had me excited to play and want to continue exploring the region. Since beating the game and catching the entire pokedex back in January, I haven't touched the game (or even my switch for that matter) since and perhaps my opinion on the games would change if I went back to replay it. Regardless of that, it was nice to finally have a pokemon game I thoroughly enjoyed the same way I did when I first played Platinum/HGSS when they first released. S/V is the best generation since gen 5.

[@lyle9793]

I think the school theme is probably the biggest thing that stops me enjoying these games as much as I should, it strips the customisation options that have been so prevalent in recent titles and I get that the games are aimed at kids but I can’t understand why they think kids want to be a school kid in uniform when playing a video game??

[@BrandyJ]

I tried to play violet in a vacuum without online influence and I think I agree with almost all of your points. Open world, new pokemon, exploration, quality of life changes were all incredible. The slow intros and poor graphics are generally expected from the company.

[@jaredkhan8743]

I get the point that “it’s a Pokémon game i don’t play for the graphics” but that’s missing the point. Gamefreak isn’t just selling us a regular old Pokémon game. They’re selling us a $60 open world game and it should be held to the same standards as other switch games like botw and xenoblade. I honestly enjoyed nearly completing the Pokédex before even doing the first gym, but the lack of polish seriously ruined a lot of potentially joyful moments. Regardless of development issues, the final product should be criticized for what it’s worth and the expectations it set. I want to enjoy it more than I do, and I’m sure if Gamefreak was given another year or two to optimize the game, no one would have anything but stellar things to say about it.

[@windrose5988]

Yeah this is the problem with the Pokemon community. They are given shit that's garbage for the Switch and go 'Wow this is pretty decent' because they still consider the 3DS the pinnacle of gaming, rather than probably the single most outdated console to still receive releases by the time Sun and Moon came out.

[@Bobothefish13]

i love the nuance in the arugments of this vid. You are able to look at the work that went into this game and really paid off without giving the conditions of how it was made as well as the glaring flaws a pass. Its a fantastic retrospective that I think can be used as a blueprint for how we try and discuss and look at any game.

[@YGB-Gaming]

couldnt of said it better

[@icykuikinu6757]

My thoughts on SV, a big irritation i had was that i had to restart the game very often cuz my character's face would glitch and remain a perpetual :D face, and it made the picnic a lot more creepy than it already was. One actual gripe i have about the game though was the lack of a concise art direction. Paldea is supposed to be based on Spain, but its visuals and environment, and even most of the pokemon don't reflect that at all. If you take away the Spanish names and dialogue, you're left with a basic environment, which is really upsetting considering Spain is a beautiful place with loads of areas to reference. A slap in the face with that as well is the first DLC, where we get another Japanese subregion within the region that's supposed to be based on Spain. I don't dislike Kitakami, but i do feel like it was a missed opportunity to REALLY push the Spanish representation a whole lot more. I do also legitimately think that polish should be a part of judging how a game. As a game design student myself, if a game doesn't have decent polish, it's not going to feel satisfying, and that's personally how i felt about SV. The lack of polish in so many areas from technicalities to the environment itself to even move animations feeling very samey and honestly kinda boring, to me the game doesn't feel satisfying to play, at least not nearly as much as other switch games I've played. Taking Kirby and the forgotten land for instance, the level of polish the game had in virtually every aspect from visuals to how the core gameplay feels is insane, so much so that I rarely get bored playing it. A good example is the ability evolution system; MANY of them feel strong and powerful by the time they're fully upgraded, and there have been no shortage of moments where I legitimately go "wow, that feels good to use." Comparatively, that happened far less often with SV for me, gameplay wise. I did love Arven though, he's the saving grace of the game for me tbh

[@TheAjmos]

I don’t remember having any bugs or glitches, just lag.

[@asdfasdfq6005]

I'm surprised you say one of the best parts is the world is so fun to explore. That was my main issue (next to performance/graphics) in the game. The world is so bland to explore, there's no incentive to go somewhere, stray off the paths, no secrets to be found, items are scattered randomy, the overworld pokemon spawn in in the same groups, you can't even go in houses which was a key point in the earlier games. I really felt no reason to look around the world, and when I did and found nothing it was so disrewarding.

[@aldolibreri791]

One of the other issues is that this game followed up PLA, which a lot of people absolutely loved because of how well done it was. The world felt a lot more alive because of how the Pokémon behaved and interacted with you in the over world which SV did not carry over. While I’m sure no one was expecting the combat system to carry over, a lot of people really wanted drowsy and frostbite to replace sleep and freeze since they are superior status conditions. And catching the Pokémon in PLA was a lot more fun and challenging than in SV.

[@nolanhartwick7184]

And also, PLA didn't really have major performance issues. Frankly, its controls pretty much always felt great. Even basic stuff like throwing pokeballs or riding a pokemon just doesn't feel good in SV. And while the overworld boss battles felt a bit poorly fleshed out, they were still better than the overworld gym challenges or auto battler challenges.

[@TheChaosDragoness]

After playing and beating Tears of the Kingdom, it was so jarring coming back to Pokemon Scarlet. Yeah TotK had its occasional framerate drops and texture pop-ins (especially in the transitions from the Sky Islands to the ground) but they weren't as noticeable as S/V's and never stayed around long enough to annoy me or detract from the experience, nor did I ever had to worry about TotK crashing on me randomly. If I had to choose, I would replay Tears of the Kingdom over Scarlet/Violet any day.

[@joseantoniovillanuevalagun5796]

No battle tower at the end game? After beating the game and finding out there was no battle tower it actually makes me regret my purchase, I felt betrayed, I tough that would change with the DLC's but nothing so far.

[@AkikoUzumaki]

highkey agree. im really glad for the nuanced take, its such a fun game that also has a bunch of issues. it contains multitudes lmao only thing that really bugged me during my many hours (besides the laggy water) was the raids, actually. i find the timer immensely frustrating. when you do a bunch of damage at once the raid mon does a dozen turns back to back, the menu freezes or doesnt show up for a couple seconds, the latency when you play online with randoms, etc etc all while the timer ticks down. having to strategize to build a raid mon is fun, but i highly dislike that i essentially HAVE to create the perfect mon to stand a chance against higher raids, bc the way raids work dont allow for any mistakes due to lagginess and the timer. i liked the max dens in swsh a lot more, because losing there felt like "okay, my bad, i made a mistake there" while losing a tera raid feels like "welp. if i had been able to actually access the menu and do something we couldve won" way too often. doubt they'll ever change that now unfortunately

[@Hanketsu]

I think the moment that broke me was when I was playing with friends and the game kept bugging out, booting us, and lagging super hard. It became unplayable for us and since then I haven't touched it since. It's a shame because I did have a blast when it worked.

[@blazeknight2629]

As a person who likes to experience things myself without having other people’s opinions and not caring about opinions any, I thoroughly enjoyed SV as a Pokémon game. I think what I dislike is primarily the animations of moves feeling small when facing Pokémon and trainers in the actual areas outside of gym battles, elite four, etc, but aside from that I view it as a game that has probably been my favorite out of all the switch releases of Pokémon

[@enthused7591]

Got Scarlet for free when I bought my used Switch and it's the first game I've played start to finish since Pokemon Gold version. While the viewing angle glitch would occur frustratingly often (it goes away temporarily by backing out to the home screen and loading back into the game), this game was super fun to explore all the areas, especially the snowy mountains. Great soundtrack, excellent characters. I would've liked to see more gen 1 to gen 3 Pokemon though. Overall, totally worth playing even with the issues.

[@nateortega2912]

I agree the soundtrack was great and reason why I bought the dlc of indigo because it's from my favorite region which is Unova

[@AustinIsTheGreatests]

This is funny that you say you have freedom to go where you want but I felt like I was trapped in scarlet until I got the next sandwich to power my bike.

[@OwenDW]

These games feel like a partner that you love with all your heart, who doesn’t love you back.

[@NotTheWheel]

More like a partner who you married but over the years has taken that love for granted and you're too scared to leave since you've been together so long but they've given no signs of changing and have only gotten more neglectful with time.

[@naganut9718]

If you don't like these games, don't buy them Also y'all consider the fact gamefreak have very little experience with hd games, is surprisingly a small team, and using an outdated engine? Not trying to excuse the game's questionable quality but saying the game doesn't have care and show no signs of changing is quite silly (since SV is literally the 1st open world pokemon game)

[@NotTheWheel]

@@naganut9718 I don't like the games and I don't buy them anymore. But I find that if I want to be critical of the game I am then told "How would you know if you never played it" So I then have to experience the games for myself second hand. I'm critical of the games because I love Pokemon and I want pokemon to succeed and be the best version it can be. If I didn't love Pokemon I would move on and not talk about it. My heart is coming from the same place yours is.

[@naganut9718]

@@NotTheWheel of course there's nothing wrong being critical of the game. I'm aware the obvious flaws of these games and I'm aware Gamefreak and other companies can be greedy. However what I HATE is when people goes saying "oh they don't care about the game anymore" and "oh they're so lazy" and never factor multiple things when making video games. And also never look at the great things these games have. It's that part that severely annoys me. That's why I like reviews such as this video for example because it factor in more than "oh they're just so lazy" and actually talks about BOTH the flaws and the strength

[@NotTheWheel]

@@naganut9718 I think you want to think that people haven't thought about those things before and have made their own conclusions. I understand wanting to give them a benefit of a doubt but that doesn't make it warranted or deserved in this case.

[@wyvernxk7]

The lag in the lake is so bad KZbin had to cut to ads.

[@viniciuspereira2651]

The pokemon games carry themselves through its name. If this wasn't pokemon and it was any other game, people wouldn't even buy it. I love pokemon, but the quality for the game is unacceptable.