West Wing - Dr. Jacobs - Bible References - Owned by Prez.

This scene is great! Dr. Jacobs (representing Dr. Laura) is completely owned by the president.
Season 2 - The Midterms

[@kirby745i]

President Bartlet is the best president we've unfortunately never had.

[@terrybritton1269]

Well except for Bobby Kennedy

[@jewunit113]

My God, get a fire extinguisher! The President is on fire and a some woman just got burrrrrned!

[@wcresponder]

get a water bomber cause religion got torched.

[@PaulZink]

A show of hands for how many would have voted for Jed Bartlett over Trump (or Hillary for that matter)? I'm all in.

[@plgjp83]

I can t help thinking that practically any politician with reasonable showmanship would have beaten Trump, .She lost because she didnt take care of appearance with the email/the foundation/ the corporate donors, because she didnt inspire, because she never took any risks in the campaign and went for the PC attacks. Hell : Hillary s about to get as much vote as Obama and I dont believe for a second it was on her. It was mostly out of reject of Trump. And even among Trump voter there are plenty who really dont like some of his statements. They simply felt Hillary Clinton was completely out of touch. And that's a death kiss in politics. So I dont think there s need to pull a mary sue character like bartlett (he did get better later). Joe Biden, Bernie, etc... would have been more competitive...

[@troyevitt2437]

Obama did the same thing, quoting the Bible's nasty, stoning-to-deathy parts to show how little business the Bible has playing a role in public policy.

[@WKYanks]

No politician was going to beat Trump. You can thank Obama for dividing this country even further than it was and for hurting folks trust in politicians.

[@rb1179]

And Trump is making it worse.

[@Loveoldies50]

Most definitely! But, Jed had great writers creating great solutions to any crisis. Right now we have the big mouth blowhard who THINKS he's the best thing since ice cream. His only writers and writings are on Twitter! Dah! God help us!

[@Unnameworthy]

One of the best scenes in the show, but woefully unrealistic. A conservative pundit wouldn't stay quiet that long for anyone.

[@Music1222]

Evan Fuller Exactly what I was thinking haha. They'd spout some ignorant tripe as loudly as possible, 'But the BIBLE!!!', 'no you're taking those bits OUT OF CONTEXT!!', 'those bits (in the same PART of the bible) DON'T COUNT!!!'

[@vaeledendehar6819]

Evan Fuller I think they would there due to losing their invite to report directly from the Whitehouse but defiantly would be bitching on her show

[@Razaiel]

"Only the parts of the law that I like still apply, everything else only applied to the ancient tribes of Israel" This is essentially the answer I get every time I bring up the nasty parts of Leviticus.

[@FactStorm]

@@Razaiel Yup, their excuses are quite distasteful and downright disgusting

[@Foxwolf9Tails]

Hands down my favorite scene in the entire series. He just dresses her down so smoothly and awesomely. The show had some AWESOME writers.

[@victoriathurston5601]

Have you listened to the new podcast? 'The West Wing Weekly' if you're a West Wing fan, definitely worth a listen. I know this sounds like a paid promotion but honestly just one West Wing fan to another.

[@Edcognito]

By quoting it, we know... we know...

[@Edcognito]

***** Actually, I do know. Read it cover to cover, twice. (Except Revelations - that book is flat out fucking weird). The bible is a collection of stories and letters, written by we don't know who, or how many different authors, because we don't have *any* original copies, we don't even have original copies of the copies. Most of the book was "decided on" (by humans) and contain transcription errors or flat out changes made by copyists. What we do know is that the bible has been amended and changed thousands of times over the years. It is no more immortal than you are. Read "Misquoting Jesus" - written by a guy who loved the bible and his religion so much he learned ancient Greek, Aramaic and Latin so he could study the words in the actual language they were written in.

[@Edcognito]

1) - the (alleged) most important book in the world is not meant to be read. Yeah, translating into the vernacular was the biggest mistake the monks ever made. 2) The "authorship" of many books *is* in dispute - and that is confirmed by linguists who have studied the various collections, throughout history, some books having multiple authors across time. Look up "Linguistics". 3)Textual Criticism was not "invented by liberals", you intellectual pipsqueak! Textual Criticism was invented by Monks, Priests, Rabbis and Nobel Historians, studying those tens of thousands of copies of copies of copies of copies and noticing differences between copies... And noticing differences between those written at various times and places. 4) If you want to *LEARN* what biblical Scholars (Religious and otherwise) *KNOW* about the bible, read Misquoting Jesus - but I know you won't, because you're afraid of unvarnished, objective truth. faithbibleonline.net/MiscDoctrine/TextualCriticismOfTheBible.htm Quite literally, you know not of which you speak.

[@Edcognito]

evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2012/09/top-ten-essential-works-in-new.html

[@budmoore2342]

I never get tired of seeing this clip! The West Wing was an awesome show.

[@masterludovicus802]

The level of ownage of this scene is unparalleled. I've never seen West Wing (forgive my sin for those who believe it so :P) but when I saw this clip on another video my jaw dropped. Never have I seen someone so based on the Bible getting owned like that and then to add the cherry on top "When the President stands, nobody sits". Burned.

[@Price70]

For what it's worth the Martin Sheen speech is highly subjective and isolated. His references as well as the lady's he's talking to, are aimed specificly at the Jews of the time they were written, and do not pertain to Christians or even modern Jews. However, there are other passage in the New Testament which are against homosexuality. Plus this is a tv show, it's not a real live political debate. ·

[@shikatsu]

Price Pittsburgh however many bible thumpers cherry pick from the same...and since most of us don't speak aramaic or greek(ancient) we work on the translations we are given...

[@masterludovicus802]

Price Pittsburgh I know its not a real political debate. I do not watch the show but given that many use the arguments in the Old Testament against Christians (which I believe was implied in her character), he just gave her a taste of her medicine, regardless of how subjective the speech may have been. And to put the cherry on top...he delivers the final blow "In this building when the President stands, nobody sits."

[@IMortage]

You should watch the show. It's good all around.

[@Price70]

My point is they assume the "Doctor" in such a situation would just sit there and not be able to defend herself. In real life if the Sheen character were to attack an actual Christian theologian or even just a well rounded Christian they would respond and not just sit there looking defeated, as this libreal show wants us to assume would happen if these arguments were presented to all Christians. Religion, like politics, has a defense on each side of the debate.

[@carsfabio]

the best scene ever. right to the point. puts her in her place. i could watch this on a loop for hours.

[@daemonicstar]

+scott koepp Me too!! This one scene shows the class of the whole series! I love this man when he is on fire!! :)

[@johnstrika9170]

I'm not sure if this or the opening scene of The Newsroom is the greatest thing I've ever watched. Aaron Sorkin is the best writer on the planet

[@brockpernod3436]

zach Kensington I think all monotheistic claims are false and would have no problem telling a Muslim......I work with many Muslim doctors and have had discussions with them about their religion........that what they are saying is rubbish

[@carsfabio]

*****​, I am guessing you are OK with the hate that Christians preach all the time then. The church needs to get a grip on its hate. They have no right to tell other people how to live or breath. They make billions of dollars and pay no tax. No that is blasphemy too the highest. Now go read about your invisible man in the sky, and STFU.

[@carsfabio]

*****​, just because I don't agree with the bull crap the church says about SO MANY things, you think I use drugs. Wow, sounds like you are a real Christian. Just accuse people of things you have no clue about. That sounds real Christian of you. So I'm guessing you judge people also, maybe you Need to read the bible more then me, how about Matthew 7:1-3. Refresh your memory.

[@chrisaustin9392]

I love how he tried to keep going, but every time he looks her way it gets to him until he give that look of 'ok, it's on.'

[@theofficialphoenixtv5765]

@Joe Casson Holy fuck! Of course they know its scripted. everyone does! He is merely stating it as a thought and not as literally

[@tferraro1474]

One of many of my favorite scenes!

[@Squillionz]

"I'm jus...just gonna take that crab puff." Brilliant.

[@markwebster3105]

Just to add the final ignominy lol.

[@brennanhearn6342]

Because I must...read this in Daniel Day Lewis' voice. "I! EAT! YOUR! CRAB PUFF!

[@Kennadien]

If I knew that the writers of the show came up with stuff like this, I would have been a loyal fan of this show! I never even watched an episode and now I feel bad about it :(

[@burninvernonmiller5103]

Kenn H The show is available on DVD. I've watched the whole series at least 4 times.

[@corygabriel4354]

Netflix

[@TashaWho]

+Kenn H My sentiments EXACTLY.

[@burninvernonmiller5103]

The show is available on DVD and I highly recommend it!

[@DanSmith142]

yeah. i know that feeling. i hate it too.but better late than never i think😉

[@JavierArveloCruzSantana]

This scene and the one with the priest in the Oval Office are my two favorite scenes of this wonderful series.

[@jeffreynocera4017]

Hands-down, one of my favorite episodes and scenes...

[@spockolenbrander256]

Apply water to burned area.

[@jrjr321967]

I have never seen it explained out so excellent before this...and he is right...one of my favorite scenes in television..past ...present...and future...I loved this show

[@klarebear7211]

this scene makes me so giddy for the way he just shuts. her. down. and it makes me sad we don;t have this president in real life

[@hhds113]

We do. President Trump. Trump has been re-building this nation little at a time since the days of Reagan. Two great presidents.

[@pablovirus]

@@hhds113 Trump is a fucking Christian you dimwit.

[@mb1554]

Best scene ever. Even more relevant today than when created. So Kim Davis and supporters: Should Kim Davis be stoned, as Biblically ordained for adultery, or is the Bible only a credible reference when used in hate to condemn certain persons? What about the relinquishment of her maternal responsibilities towards her twins, born of adultery and given to a previous husband?

[@postingoldtapes]

Thanks for posting one of my favorite scenes of the whole series. Amazing how selective some people's interpretation of the Bible can be when a passage can be used to reinforce their prejudices.

[@4mobius280]

Best. Owning. EVER. And I never even watched the show

[@OtherSideOfMorning]

You should! One of the best series ever made.

[@jkrfan7]

This is how we need to deal with hateful bigots.

[@hotdave20]

jkrfan7 the problem is the majority is on their side. The greatest weakness of democracy, it is a mob rule.

[@hhds113]

@@hotdave20 We are NOT a democracy. We are a REPUBLIC. Don't be mistaking on what our founding fathers have chosen.

[@theonismithcreations8554]

@@hhds113 America is a Democratic Republic.

[@hhds113]

@@theonismithcreations8554 America is NOT a Democratic Republic. That's like saying during Soviet times that Communism in the Soviet Union is the same as Socialism. It is NOT. America is a REPUBLIC. Show me in the Constitution that says we are democratic republic? You won't.

[@FactStorm]

@@hhds113 A Republic is a form of Democracy you oblivious oaf

[@takahata101]

bloody brilliant

[@katiedahl5332]

This scene is why I started watching this show XD

[@Usedtobeagrl]

Ohhhh how I would love for someone to confront Dr. Laura in this same way.

[@mattstewart1637]

As well as others of her kind!

[@Painfoot]

Every person in the US should watch this clip, its brilliant!

[@ElMaestroGordo]

You can accuse President Bartlet of being rather arrogant or haughty here, but the way he schooled the religious right-wing critic with her own zealotry back at her while never raising his voice in anger at the disrespectful slight to his person is a masterclass. God Bless the U.S.A.!

[@larrythompson8459]

THIS NEEDS WHOLE SERIES NEEDS TO BE AIRED IN IT'S ENTIRETY!

[@ronelitzur856]

i am not familiar with the venerated tv series, but this clip alway gets me. pure gold.

[@georgemiller3084]

It has been stated that the Bible was written by God. It wasn't. It was written by MAN and edited by MAN by such things as the Counsel of Nicaea among others. All of this under the guise of being directed by the Holy Ghost or Spirit of God, the Holy Ghost itself being a notion of the Bible. So in the end we have a book that uses itself to prove itself. That is the argument of the psychotic and is perfect in form as it is designed to allow no avenue for dispute.

[@valen123456]

George Miller If you imagine that religions evolve and adapt over time (and like anything created by a living thing they have too) then you could think of that type of argument as the ultimate form of "immune" response to any rational thought that might eventually undermine it. Literally a line of thought that while projecting a form of "reason-ability", is also so curled up on itself that no other form of rational or reasonable argument can get through. That does not mean that it can actually win anything, despite what those holding it can think, it is locked in a loop and will eventually die out via isolation, but not without a fight and leaving lots of collateral effects both positive and negative.

[@econley64]

***** No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a singlecontemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts. Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness' own knowledge. It's all scapegoating, which is a relic of a very ignorant and superstitious past. To think that so very many in society in the 21st Century still believe that their god would not only approve of this method of relieving "sin" but actually be a "scapegoat" himself is mind-boggling.

[@econley64]

***** Unlike Jesus, there is evidence for the existence of George Washington, Nepolian, and evolution that is independent of belief and perception since we're being honest. Long before this Jesus story there were stories of gods that had the same script. God is nothing more than an ever disappearing gap of scientific ignorance.

[@davebing498]

+econley64 AMEN.

[@econley64]

***** Unlike Jesus or any god claims, there are contemporary accounts, works with actual signatures and property of the actual person, also from actual living decendants. What is called spiritual is actual psychological association or belief of something. Unlike god and Jesus, things that actually exist or existed left evidence of their existence that is independent of faith/belief, logical fallacy, and deceptive semantics.

[@RjohnVoss7]

This clip is definitely my new favorite!

[@kaigeddes]

She was good. It's hard to play, as an actor, who everyone is going to vilify. Well done! (and yes, it def. was a Dr. Laura rip).

[@clarktrent8952]

Other than if you're taking it somewhere else, Take the Bible in today's modern sociocultural/socioeconomic context, or lest you fall into "Dr." Laura's trap, as Pres. Josiah Bartlett so blithely points out. This whole scene, so wittily and incisively done, is the hallmark of director Aaron Sorkin, who also did the feature-length film, The American President. Watch *both* The West Wing, and this film!

[@fiveredpears]

If the bible has to be understood in the cultural context of the times it was written how do you asses which parts are still applicable and which parts aren't? The religious always argue that religion provides clear and objective answers to moral and ethical questions and yet you have to know how to interpret the bible to fit with the relative moral climate of the times you live in. How do you know it's ok to eat shrimp now but homosexuality is still wrong? Shrimps actually get more mentions than homosexuality.

[@AdvocateSpirit]

I don't think shrimps do get more mention (even if they do that's fine, just one mention of anything will do) but they definitely don't get more mention than sexuality. It is a book...all books must be understood by the writer's point of view. This writer happens to be God, we gotta have more sense than what feels common to us to understand a book claiming to be God's. (I'm not angry or anything, I'm just stressing my point) It is not that it must be understood in the cultural context of the time , it is that it must be understood; 1. Who God was speaking to 2. For what purpose was He speaking to them I'm not religious tho (and it does not change with the relative moral climate)...

[@fiveredpears]

Troy Blackman Tell me what investigations I could do that could independently verify that the Bible is the word of God? What evidence have you got?

[@AdvocateSpirit]

fiveredpears Is this related to anything you said or have you just been holding this in for the next Christian that crosses your path lol? You could research the fruits of it, whether the teachings that came from it were on point morally and made good changes. You can research if the claims are true, check the prophecies, they claim to know future events, check that out...see if they came to pass or if they seem to be accurate in the direction things are going in Check for what you would see as an un-bias opinion where the same account was given about an event. It is unrefuted that the bible was written over a massive span of time, so you can independently check if there are contradictions where one person agreed on something different Last but not least, spiritually check the claims that are made personally...and also check the description given of the human condition and see if that matches up to what you know I didn't quite get your questions tho ! Proof without a connection to the bible? Or just biblical things that can be verified personally by you that will show something is unique with it?

[@fiveredpears]

Troy Blackman I will take that as a no. Sorry, your wasting your time. I would rather peel my own eye balls than become a christian. It's horseshit.

[@AdvocateSpirit]

I believe that even if you were to see proof sufficient, you would decline it. Your heart is the hardened problem Trying to find proof is like attacking the branches of the problem. The root is your heart No need to reply, it's cool I ain't mad at ya, got nothing but love for ya, do ya thing boy

[@billmuir4897]

Truly wonderful. astonishing timing and delivery…… the awesome Martin Sheen.

[@artul3471]

What a GREAT way to address the issue. It is s shame there is so much hate in the world. Jesus never called being gay a sin, so why do others feel the need to hate

[@elizabethholbrook779]

Timing, circumstances, ethnics, behavior, the way they were brought up, a traumatic

[@elizabethholbrook779]

Event

[@elizabethholbrook779]

But timing and a traumatic event would properly do it and it's really sad to say this but it's easier to hate then to show our true feelings because of timing because of a traumatic event that can rock someone right to their core

[@CateDiva]

One of the many many reasons I loved this show. And one of my favorite scenes.

[@steamcanuck]

Is it just me, or does Jr. Jacobs resemble Rita Skeeter here? Either way, by God, did she just get pwned.

[@derekkandosii1814]

why are atheists heathens? maybe to atheists theist's are mentally unstable

[@mandolinic]

Unless, of course, he's a catholic priest.

[@4mobius280]

Yes...unless that's EXACTLY what they are. I get the impression you're just trolling.

[@steamcanuck]

Oh no, no trolling here. Just an observation & comparison.

[@4mobius280]

Eh, think we have our wires crossed. I was talking about the post from James Earl Cash, not you

[@CP5699]

I watched every episode of The West Wing when was on television. I have watched every episode three times more, as every couple of years, I go from start to finish through the DVD collection. I was telling a friend just this evening that this is my absolute, hands down, all-time favorite scene from the series. So, naturally I came to KZbin. I typed "West Wing" in the search box and, I'll be damned (no pun intended), the first choice was West Wing Bible Scene. It is poignant, it is dramatic, and it is funny. Perfectly written, and perfectly acted by Martin Sheen. "In this White House, when the President stands (....pause, small head shake)......NOBODY sits. Then the scowl. Then Sam wanted one of her crab puffs. A little of everything.

[@nbenefiel]

Gets better every time I watch it

[@corykent7]

I got to hang out with that man for an entire day once. And, it just so happened to be the day his character was shot in the movie, “Truth or Consequences: New Mexico”. Directed by Kiefer Sutherland (also hung with him all day as well). It was Martin Sheens last day on set in 1995, and at the end of the day, they handed him the back of his chair with his name on it. He autographed it, and gave it to me. He was such a cool guy, and everyone on the set treated me very well. I was only 11 years old then, and I’ll never forget how fun it was.

[@UnfilteredAmerica]

Owned...if ppl take what the bible says so literally...then dont pick and choose..

[@AdvocateSpirit]

It was the Prez who picked and choosed

[@WiredGuitarists]

Troy Blackman No, it wasn't. :D

[@AdvocateSpirit]

Oh yes it was !!! ^_^

[@WiredGuitarists]

Well, she, as most, says homosexuality is wrong, completely picking and choosing what she wants from Old Testament law. The President shows her how she does that. If you don't get that? You don't understand the scene at all.

[@AdvocateSpirit]

I did some research on the Old Testament and I found that they were made up of Moral Civil Ceremonial Apparently the ones he called were either *civil laws* (for jews at the time only) or *ceremonial laws* (With regards to separating themselves from others and mimicking Jesus coming) Homosexuality seems to be the only *moral law* mentioned Her error may have been quoting the old testament and not the new testament [but if they see it as moral then it won't matter]

[@Loveoldies50]

What season and episode was this? I own the complete set, but disc three is defective. I HOPE it doesn’t have this episode on it. I'm really bummed that the disc won’t play!

[@LynnMMiller]

How to silence Kim Davis Supporters

[@eden-zw5eu]

Lynn M. Miller or kaitlyn bennett

[@isisc.9036]

Time to look this show up! Holy cow that was perfect!

[@ceicli]

"Nobody sits" :D

[@mrboffo28]

Love this. Just to clarify on one point, though a football is often referred to as a "pigskin", it was only the inner layer that was made of a pig's bladder that was used (well over 100 years ago) for it's property of holding in the air when the stem was tied off. Ever since introduction of a rubber bladder, there have been no pork products used in the manufacturing of footballs. The outer covering has always been made of cowhide. So in reality the players would hardly touch actual pigskin except where the valve stem was for inflating the ball.

[@madmartigan4077]

+Michael Miller At least, it's a physical act, even if remotely possible. Remember you would get in trouble for even THINKING about banging someone else.

[@brockpernod3436]

Michael Miller logic bomb

[@RomainSACCO]

Very nice! So true!

[@Jayke1981]

Hands down, one of the best scenes ever - Only the Two Cathedrals scene beats that, in my opinion! (True fans will know the part I mean!)

[@peterross1666]

In this building....when the President stands, nobody sits. Power.

[@johnnyray5515]

This scene is right up there with Jeff Daniels scene about how America isn't the greatest country in the world anymore

[@cat52]

I always find it a bit silly to structure your entire life around a "man made" made up book of stories. People who are "believers" tend to be the most hypocritical and the worst toward others.

[@cat52]

+Steve J Ok Steve, did I touch a nerve? A really good example of what my comment was about, just look at Kim Davis that County Clerk. Now there's a hypocrite there.

[@Loveboylove1989]

+Steve J She also happens to be breaking the law and going against her oath of office. You'd think someone so very concerned about God and His judgement wouldn't be so keen to break her oaths.

[@cat52]

+Steve J What makes her a Hypocrite is that she has been married 4 times, and had two children out of wedlock

[@TheCocker15]

C.C.C. What about Saul of Tarsus? Later known as Paul. Who had a zeal for persecuting the Christian Church. He did everything in his power to stop the spread of Christianity. He became one of the greatest evangelists of his day in spreading Christianity after his encounter with Christ Jesus on the road to Damascus. Hypocrite? I don't think so, God uses all of us to build His church.

[@FerretJohn]

+C. C. C "When I talk about Faith, why do you assume I'm talking about God?" - Shepherd Book, Serenity The thing I've found over the years is that Faith and the need to believe in something greater than oneself is endemic in everyone, whether that belief is in God, Religion, Government, Business, or whatever (and yes, Atheism would be a form of religious faith too). It's part of the human condition. And when that Belief, regardless of what it's in, is taken into the fanatical bad things happen. If you really think believers in religion are the worst just remember, Joseph Stalin and Maximilian Robespierre were atheists

[@petera4985]

The act of selectively choosing or emphasizing certain aspects of information, such as religious texts, to support pre-existing beliefs while ignoring or downplaying other parts is commonly referred to as "cherry-picking" or "confirmation bias." Confirmation bias is the tendency to favor information that confirms one's pre-existing beliefs or values. In the context of interpreting religious texts, cherry-picking occurs when individuals selectively highlight passages that align with their views while overlooking or dismissing passages that may challenge or contradict those views. This approach can be a form of cognitive bias, influencing how people perceive and interpret information to maintain consistency with their existing beliefs.

[@socsese2278]

So this is a tv series about politics am i right? But that argument is awesome..

[@marioveenstra8608]

Ohw my, I recognize his voice from Mass Effect now. Mister Illusive man :)

[@danielmurphy2385]

Can someone show this to the state governments in Mississippi and North Carolina?

[@annoyed707]

Probably already banned, like mentioning sea level rise.

[@4mobius280]

They get hated for being mindless bigots who treat facts as 'optional extras'

[@4mobius280]

Also bullshit. But I'm not refering to racism

[@4mobius280]

And now you demonstrate WHY the BIBLE is written by an IMMORAL God. And that's BEFORE you throw in the quotes the video cited. And yes, you're EXACTLY like a neo nazi. The only difference is that you simply cherry pick parts of the Bible to suit your ignorance.

[@4mobius280]

The Nazis were just as God-fearing as you. And you managed to miss my point entirely. I suggest READING the post before answering in future. And yes, ignoring the parts you don't like is cherry picking. Especially the viciously immoral parts such as those you quoted. Although, if you REALLY want to get to the important bits of the Bible, I'd stick to love your neighbour and love your God. Everything else is just window dressing.

[@tapplejelly]

West Wing was so well written, and this was one of the best episodes.

[@btac3072]

Aaron Sorkin is awesome

[@AleksHindin]

He certainly has his moments. The was one of the very best.

[@shadowwing77]

One of my favorite scenes!

[@gregoryeatroff8608]

I've seen West Point on the gridiron -- they can't play football with or without gloves.

[@NyxFTW]

@Jables006 It's interesting how most people don't remember this quote. Thank you for this.

[@kilroy8989]

in other words don't force one rule unless you are going to play by them all

[@matipriegue]

It's brilliant!!! Let's go sorkin, we need more shows like this!!! We need you back

[@wilakt4fud]

Bartlet for America.

[@ImAFatNerd90]

I miss this show. This was always my favorite scene. Brilliantly done, Mr. Sheen.

[@ifmodb6922]

I'm a faithful Catholic (as is Bartlet) and I hate people like this chick. You can point-counterpoint with Bible verses all day, it's the overall message, interpreted contextually, that matters.

[@Capcoor]

IFMOD B I'm right there with you.

[@XSquibX]

If you're going to follow what the Bible says, follow what the Bible says. Otherwise, just throw out the whole thing, cause if you can just skip out on parts you don't like, why not skip out on the whole thing?

[@qetoun]

So we can keep slaves if we like? and sell our children into slavery for money? Can we order our wives to have sex with us when ever we want- like slaves? Absolute adherence to the Bible is impossible because the bible contradicts itself both in fact and in doctrine. It was never intended to be followed literally, which is why the early church left the gospels intact and made no alterations.

[@Largo64]

For my money, the best dramatic show ever on television. I'd like to see it again, beginning to end.

[@restyt01]

So does that mean I have to be burnt to death now with...oh I don''t know...ALL of the people at school? XD

[@LadybugMolly09]

Gotta love Sam asking for the crab puff and in another episode yelling at Ansiley about asking for the muffin.

[@tessanewman4395]

ROASTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

[@NinadMondkar]

This was one hell of a show.. Loved it to the core..

[@sleekcartim]

This should be played everytime any politician tries to highjack this great SECULAR country

[@mooncalf_4534]

Sleekcartim .sleekcartim You're not really a secular country...

[@sleekcartim]

Elyssia White Oh yes USA is! The founding fathers HAD TO give lip service to religious fanatics then, much as politicians do today but to a lesser degree today. There's NO WAY America could function as a christian nation. Can you imagine the logistics & fighting that would go on trying to institute the bible into the constitution etc...?!?! Stonings in the town square for unruly children & non virgin wives??? hello??? Yes there were some aspects of the bible that were used by ppl to control others like slavery etc... for money, cheap work force etc... but America certainly is NOT a fundamentalist country!

[@mooncalf_4534]

Sleekcartim .sleekcartim Technically you're right, of course. It just seems like America's so far behind in removing the power of religion compared to other first world countries. You only just legalized gay marriage... The good news is America's moving quite quickly at the moment, unlike shitty England.

[@sleekcartim]

Elyssia White The religious right are in shear desperation to force their will on us, they never get used to losing to the buzzsaw (the US constitution). They have money & an agenda that tries VERY hard to fit a round peg in square hole over & over.... Its the very definition of insanity. This sanity has a name religious hysteria, there is NO cure & NO capacity to learn. I would say theres a certain group of religious right leaders who lead their "flock" into thinking theres a chance their agenda will work...eventually, so give till it hurt$$$$! Always follow the MONEY esp in murika!

[@mooncalf_4534]

Sleekcartim .sleekcartim Seems like you're currently behind the UK, but you're advancing quickly and we're actually reverting, and becoming an Islam country. I need to move to Scandanavia Q_Q

[@troywright359]

Why is he using the Sabbath as a way to try and trap her? The Pharisees also tried to do that with Jesus, and it didn't work.

[@chriswatson7488]

107 Christians were butt hurt

[@onemarktwoyou]

@biggingeryeti Forgive me if I'm wrong. If I remember right, was it Jesus he didn't believe in or was it that he doubted the death on the cross?

[@Atomsk0192]

Put some respek on it

[@dennislowery2718]

i love that scene and miss this show

[@tomhenry595]

If the bible were true why does it have versions?

[@ruths.rosenberg5890]

Because it is a fairy-tale story about vengeance, child abuse, monsters and war as told by superstitious entertainers to keep their flock subjected to their religious will.

[@inwalters]

There are no "versions" of the Bible. There are only very minor copying errors that crept in since it had to be hand copied for 1500 years before the invention of printing.

[@troyevitt2437]

Serious Answer: Intellectual Property and Copyright laws. New commentary, new concordances, new Bible study guides/devotionals and even new secular historical/archeological discoveries are what contribute to the proprietary content of "new Bibles". The King James Version has long since become a "Public Domain" publication, along with Shakespeare and the sheet music of Classical/Chamber music of that era.

[@MaestroRigale]

Ivan Walters Sure there are versions of the Bible. Different denominations disagree on the inclusion or exclusion of various books of the Bible, or on the content of the same books. And I’m not just talking about minor translation differences, but on actual events, people, and stories included.

[@lawrence5584]

I remember when I was young, this one scene taught me so much. To truly defeat your enemy, you need to know everything about them. Every detail, every element. So every time I encountered a homophobic religion, I read their scriptures from cover to cover. Learned every rule, every passage. And when confronted by these bigots, I'd literally shove their own rules down their throats.

[@playboycarti8618]

in reality please realize this only applies to extremist Christians that strictly follow the Old Testament

[@b.a.ward.]

No....in reality this applies to anyone whom picks specific sections from the Bible to justify their personal actions, while ignoring other parts of the Bible that they disagree with. It's textbook hypocrisy. As this scene from the show clearly illustrates.

[@lawsonharrison6927]

+Brian Ward kinda like politicians toward the constitution

[@FranciscoJHerrera429]

playboycarti like 40% of the U.S

[@Loveoldies50]

Loved this scene. There are many wonderful scenes in this show. Fantastic writers and actors. I'd vote for Martin Sheen if he was like a Jed Bartlett!

[@TimotheosCauvin]

How Dr. Jacobs should have responded: 'Mr. President, with all due respect, if you would have invested 5 minutes of research time to read a decent catechism, you would have noticed that the judicial and the ceremonial laws of Israel are no longer binding under the New Covenant established by Christ. Jesus, for example, "declared all foods clean" (Mark 7,19). Eating pork or shellfish or touching a football is no longer a problem, for those laws were originally given to separate ancient Israel from its heathen neighbours until the time of the Messiah. And unlike the OT theocracy of Israel, the Church no longer is a single nation, but consists of people "from every tribe and language and people and nation" (Rev 5,9). The penal laws of OT Israel therefore bind no one today. Instead it says in the NT: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities" (Rom 13,1). But: "The moral law doth for ever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof, and that not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it; neither doth Christ in the Gospel any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation." Befor you try to expose me next time, I recommend you to check the facts beforehand. Otherwise you will make a fool out of yourself - again!'

[@TimotheosCauvin]

I didn't say that "all of Leviticus' laws are defunct". I said that the judicial and ceremonial laws no longer apply, while "the moral law doth for ever bind all". The prohibitions of practiced homosexuality, incest, beastiality etc. are part of the moral law. Therefore it says in the New Testament: " Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, *nor men who practice homosexuality*, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God" (1Cor 6,9).

[@TimotheosCauvin]

I never caused a war. Nor do I hate homosexuals. I have gay brothers and sisters in Christ who live a celibate life, and I have gay friends who live in civil partnerships. I treat both groups with love and respect, even though I earnestly believe, that the first have chosen the better, more godly path. Neither do I believe myself to be any better than my homosexual fellows. It says in the NT that "* all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God*, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom 323,24)

[@mortyjames5897]

TimotheosCauvin Is your only reasoning for believing that being gay is wrong because Leviticus said so? the same man who believed people should be stoned to death for working on a Sunday? I still fail to understand how your morals are logical in any way. You think being gay is wrong. ok. 2 men loving each other is a sin. fine. Joshua sacking the city of Jericho and murdering all the inhabitants regardless of age or gender. Christian hero?

[@TimotheosCauvin]

The Greek word is *ἀρσενοκοῖται* (arsenokoitai) and it literally means "A man who lies (i.e. has intercourse) with men". It's a composite word Paul built from the Greek words used in the Septuagint version of Lev 18,22 and Lev 20,13. Hope that helps.

[@TimotheosCauvin]

First of all, the translations differ in wording not in content or meaning. Whether we say 'fornicators' or 'the sexual immoral' or 'people who have sex outside of marriage' is a mere matter of epoch, style, and/or audience. The direction of impact of the text is clear nevertheless. The same is true for the term 'arsenokoitai'. Whether you translate it as 'sodomites', 'men who sleep with males' or 'men who practice homosexuality', the prohibition is clear: Don't have gay sex! You see, it's not a matter of translation per se, but of choice of words. But if you want to serioulsy check any translation you will have to learn the language for yourself.

[@michaelgabriel7919]

I love this scene! Dark Bartlett! That look at the end... "... in this building, when the President stands... nobody sits.". This is Sorkin and team... AT THEIR BEST! I just wish there was a real Democrat capable of that kind of smack down (no slight to President Biden intended).

[@MrAdaLovelace]

@cardsmoviegal Thanks, cardsmoviegal. I hadn't thought about the context, and you're right. I appreciate the insight. I'm looking forward to the day when Christians appreciate love in all its forms

[@kentashcraft]

I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but Aaron Sorkin wrote this scene based on the "Dr. Laura letter," which became a viral email in 2000. He didn't know who had actually written it, but used it in his script, figuring the author might come forward after it was aired. Having been the author, I did, and the result was that Lorimar Productions paid me (an undisclosed amount). To those of you who have praised the satire herein, I'm flattered, but I'm hardly the first to do this sort of thing. Clarence Darrow used the same technique to dismember William Jennings Bryan in the "Scopes monkey trial."

[@inwalters]

If true: How she should have responded - In the book of Acts, the Apostles discussed the question of what parts of the Jewish law Christians had to follow. after praying they got their answer and sent out a letter to the Church that said in Acts 15: 28-29 "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things." So Christians don't have to follow ant other parts of the Jewish which might have been appropriate for their situation, but aren't for ours. So quit cherry picking and making a fool of yourself.

[@markwebster3105]

Just love the narrowing of his eyes as if to say "I DARE you to remain seated".

[@Afinati]

I love watching this scene... and I really love the Mass Effect references too. Lol The president, whoever she/he is deserves respect. I can't imagine that a person who knew she'd be in the presence of the president wouldn't know the protocol... or even more, would be self-absorbed enough to make a point by sitting. People....

[@Psykolord1989]

Unfortunately, I have a problem. My mother wears fabric of two different kinds of thread, but she also plants different crops side by side. So do I have to burn her at the stake and bean her with stones while she burns, or can I save time and cover some rocks with tar, light them ablaze and THEN throw them at her? I could use some advice guys.

[@rdaffron]

Have always LOVED this clip as a TOTAL representation of what the GOTP really is!

[@jabrolter15]

A speech like that and Rob Lowe just needs to have his god damn crab puff. LOL!

[@OokamiDiamond1992]

EPIC. my favorite topic to debate is religion (not to down play it, but rather share views on the matter) and I am definitely referring to the statements in this clip and hear people argue against it (if that's even possible).

[@Adski91]

@Jables006 I think you should perhaps insert the second quotation mark so as to not mislead people into thinking that Paul has written the "Don't judge Christianity... etc."

[@CrypticSS]

@donnyreb you are too clever. I'm glad there's somebody like you posting here, to tell other people how to be good Christians, and even tell everyone else that they should be Christian. -and of course there is only on way to be a good Christian, and everyone else is wrong! So full of dignity and piety, and so many other wonderful characteristics. You are a great person. Thank you so much for contributing your meaningful comments.

[@TheEdmondsMartialArtsAcademy]

@MrMaxTruth - So...You agree with Dr. Laura?

[@ReubenWalton]

3:30 what does he mean “That’s how I beat him.”?

[@KimRN1991]

President Bartlet couldn't remember how he defeated an opponent in a school board election years prior

[@MrEdmundSax]

You damn right. I'd be afraid of instant smiting for enjoying fireman time with this video. God's smitemanship isn't to be underestimated.

[@ThulinMartin]

I totally agree.... I have no idea... Unless its for comfort, thats what ive always thought... You and me just proved that we cannot trust and should not trust what is written in there. Im glad we sorted this out.

[@OeditpusRex]

@VBAadmin That depends on who's addressing or referring to them. In most U.S. news media, the honorific "doctor" is used only for people with doctorates in medicine.

[@dardo1201]

I somehow have the urge to start bingewatching this series :/, should I feel bad for never having watched it?

[@nder1477]

LMAO..Adored Rob Lowe's crab puff comment at the end (Leviticus 11:9-12). hahaahha...priceless!

[@kak4191]

My mom called me up one night while she was watching this show and she backed up the show to this scene and I clapped and I now I have the link to send to people.