The long painful silence between CJ and Tony ( eyes welling with tears) was such a statement during a show that is so full of efficient powerful language. Amazing 👏
@kevwin12 ай бұрын
Toby; not Tony
@LuisHuangSF2 ай бұрын
20:08
@bencaspar4 күн бұрын
@@kevwin1actually, it's Cody. Cody Fiegler.
@r3771-n2r2 ай бұрын
you skipped the most important scene , the one where the president does not let Toby resign, he has to fire him.
@miketurcotte74772 ай бұрын
Or the scenes where the President knows it was Toby and drops subtle hints to him,
@Starcraft88888Ай бұрын
"A lot of people are going to think you're a hero. I just wanted you to know: I won't be one of them."
@senordingdong4827Ай бұрын
@@miketurcotte7477Which ones were they? It's been a while since I've watched it in its entirety.
@ruthmebАй бұрын
@@Starcraft88888 The president is a fool, then
@jackoneill8654Ай бұрын
for me it's "I'm just glad things are back to normal..." and then they see Toby's office being emptied
@Super_MiddlemanАй бұрын
I like it when I see the subtle way the President occasional flexes his power. By purposely ignoring CJ’s question about the military space shuttle he was letting her know that info was above her pay grade without having to actually say it.
@JessePalmer-cp1gmАй бұрын
Or maybe telling her that it exists without actually saying so
@brinkeguthrieАй бұрын
yep
@cmj0929Ай бұрын
@@JessePalmer-cp1gmthat part, because I’d think she’d have as much clearance as anyone else Top Secret if not more
@romanlegion583713 күн бұрын
@@cmj0929that would be considered TS/SCI meaning even having TS clearance wouldn’t be enough, SCI (secret compartmentalized information) requires individuals to be read in in order to maintain limits to who knows what. The phrase “need to know” applies to those who need to know, for those who don’t, you don’t have access. A military shuttle would only be known to select individuals on a need to know basis.
@itsjustme89476 күн бұрын
@@romanlegion5837 SCI is actually 'sensitive compartmented information' and I've held very high clearances for more than 20+ years during my service in the USAF. The existence of a secret shuttle would be compartmented into SAP/SAR as well as 'code word' clearance. I've held TS/SCI/CRYPTO/SAP/SAR and I've also held code word clearance into several R&D projects. The price you pay for this level of access is not fun. The FBI practically living in all of your orifices and speaking to people you forgot you ever knew. The persistent credit checks, electronics that are constantly monitored and every action or inaction being questioned. Example: "Last week, when you were having dinner at 'Joe's Diner' you were observed having what appeared to be more than a casual conversation with a waitress by the name of 'Nadia Orlova', who, by the way is an immigrant from the former Soviet Union. You left a tip totaling more than 6x the bill of the coffee and danish you ordered (I dropped a $50 and didn't want the change). Did you discuss any portion of 'project xyz', during your conversation with Ms. Orlova? Are you having or seeking to have an affair or has she offered you sexual favors?" People wonder why we take security so seriously. Why are we so effing paranoid. How come we are so standoffish. Toby's brother would have been a military officer and that institutional paranoia wouldn't have allowed that information to slip out at all. I mean, he must not have liked Toby very much, KNOWING the level of exposure he would have placed him in. But SCI also applies to what you would think is the most trivial of information and is not always TOP SECRET. A lot of SCI information is CONFIDENTIAL or even UNCLASS marked. Would you think the number of MRE's (yes, field rations) that a particular commissary has carries the SCI stamp? How about the number of gallons of de-icer on hand for a particular type of aircraft for a number of certain squadrons? Ooo, here's a good one: socks. Socks?? Yes. I'll let your imagination work on this one for a bit.
@endalynch2 ай бұрын
Recall back to Ainsley Hayes’ time - when CJ thought she had leaked information to a young reporter and was sleepless. She got an exercise bike into her office. She asked Toby the hypothetical question and later realised she’d done it again. Let’s assume she also asked Greg Brock what such a story would do to the media before an election….. Greg figures out the reality of the space shuttle, then asks Toby for comment as Press Secretary as his second source (which NY Times would demand before printing). Toby realises either he protects CJ and his brother by telling Greg the truth so that the story came from him, or Greg keeps digging, finds a difference second source and publishes - which would leave CJ hanging as the only White House person who spoke to media about it. She leaked indirectly, he then leaked directly to protect her and his brother.
@0u0akАй бұрын
Toby is best fit for the space shuttle leak due to his history of moral idealism, willingness to take risks, and previous actions where he leaked sensitive information for what he saw as the greater good, in this case shuttle safety concerns. Alternatively, as he previously did in a similar situation, he took the blame to protect President Bartlet, following an offscreen intense disagreement over policy and handling the shuttle crisis, Bartlet not showing his usual good judgment (as evidenced by Charlie), leading to Bartlet’s cold treatment. Toby's closing line should have encapsulated his frustration: "A president has to be better than this."
@JamesSmith-xo3vj2 ай бұрын
Charlie and Bartetts relationship is some of the best in tv history
@TheNukewarfare22 ай бұрын
I always loved the SecDef’s “The answer to that would be ‘yes’.” in response to CJ’s line of questioning about the space bomber.
@RauschIronback27 күн бұрын
You know you are in trouble when Agent Skinner from the X-Files is asking you about secret space programs.
@MrTaylor19642 ай бұрын
Some of these episodes were strongly written but ‘Toby’ shouldn’t have gone out this way.
@aph19762 ай бұрын
And how would you have written Toby out?
@MrTaylor19642 ай бұрын
@@aph1976 was no need to write the character out as the characters came to the end of the term, he along with CJ were left to wind up the staff.
@djd83052 ай бұрын
I hear ya, but it was so in keeping with Toby. So fitting. And his fight with Josh later on couldn't have happened without it.
@MrTaylor19642 ай бұрын
@@djd8305 the fight with Josh was in response to his brothers suicide so I think it would have still worked.
@ktwashere56372 ай бұрын
its classic writers needing to create drama so they go for the obvious/hysterical. They should have trusted the show. What made it great were the small dramas.
@A.D.03062 ай бұрын
This is my opinion: President Bartlett gave the nod to the NASA Administrator to give the slip up in front of CJ. Toby was another chess piece in the game. It was the President that was the leak.
@blackcat4859Ай бұрын
That would be a pretty brutal thing to do by Bartlett. So he first wanted to set up CJ and then let Toby take the fall knowing that it wasn't him?
@PearlsandRosesАй бұрын
The President: “Good evening Charlie.” Me: JUMP OUT THE WINDOW, CHARLIE! DON’T TURN AROUND, JUST RUN AND JUUUUUUUUUMP!!!
@captainjoshuagleiberman27782 ай бұрын
Toby's mistake was not to get Bartlett to appoint a superincompetent judge to supervise the case.
@SWOBIZ2 ай бұрын
Toby should have given that final speech to Merrick Garland.
@jamest21012 ай бұрын
Its a hell of a thing to have access to information that could save someone or someone's lives AND NOT SAY ANYTHING! Not just every now and then but regularly... To have access to information that is beyond top secrete not every once and a while but everyday.... And yes it does suck that Toby went out this way....
@jefferynewton3407Ай бұрын
Since you bring this up. What are your thoughts on this exact thing happening during WWII. After Enigma was broken. Not protecting every assest and letting Germany know that their code was broken. To instead appear they got "lucky" at different times. Knowledge is power. But knowing what to do with that Knowledge is the power.
@celticlofts2 ай бұрын
Toby: " I thought about coming as Julius Rosenberg." Ironically he was the conscience of the White House. He knew the difference between right and wrong.
@hellohellohellohellohello-h5l2 ай бұрын
I don't understand the irony. Rosenberg was a Soviet spy. His treason wasn't conscience, it was despicable.
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
No, he just had his own definition of right and wrong and wouldn’t tolerate different points of view. From a military secrecy and national defense point of view, it’s right to keep it a secret and wrong to expose it
@henrybutchy32422 ай бұрын
@Edawgpilot Was it wrong to expose the secret that nsa was spying, en masse, and illegally, on USA citizens within the USA ? When doing bad things to your own citizens, it is important to slap a "Secret" or "Classified" label on it. What they don't know, I can't get convicted on.
@Jmatt4558 сағат бұрын
Here's a tip: When you're seeing someone covertly, don't exit the room until you're fully dressed. Plausible deniability, e.g. "We were just talking", "We were going over plans for...", disappears when you leave the room while you're buttoning your shirt or zipping your pants.
@gregrtodd2 ай бұрын
I saw this when it originally aired and I assumed it was Toby (and I could see his character doing this). Watching it now, cut together like this, especially with the wordless scene between CJ and Toby, I'm in two minds. They are both such great actors, and their scenes were played with such finesse, that I could totally buy CJ being the leak, and Toby falling on the grenade to protect her. They've always had a brother/sister love relationship. Toby would have done it, and CJs expression could be read as her realising what Toby is doing for her, and for the administration. Or it could've been the other way... Brilliant nuanced performances either way.
@henrybutchy32422 ай бұрын
great ... another conspiracy theory masquerading as intellect. Just what our post-truth society needs. Toby said: "I did it." Toby explains to his ex - I won't even falsely lay it off on a dead guy. Toby ain't lieing.
@toobin8r2 ай бұрын
This kinda makes me think that CJ wasn’t aware she was the leak because of how little sleep she’d been getting, but Toby knew, and fell on the sword for her by claiming to be the leak so the Chief of Staff wouldn’t be stuck in a trial and could actually focus on helping the President
@shuttlecrossing70842 ай бұрын
This is either entirely true, or CJ did it on purpose and Toby covered for her anyway because he knew people would assume his brother had leaked it to him. I had suspected that the conversation at Toby's place near the end was going to be where they revealed this. At least it worked out in the end, since the President and Toby are on speaking terms in the epilogue shown at the start of the season.
@tcdan-c2m2 ай бұрын
"Are we weaponizing space?"....well we do have the Space Force now.
@TheStuport2 ай бұрын
No doubt that The Space Force Fleet is painted Orange too!🤣
@Rambam17762 ай бұрын
No we don't. We have a fifth of the Air Force that now has a new shoulder patch. Nothing else has changed.
@TheStuport2 ай бұрын
@@Rambam1776 Of course we don't! That was the whole idea of tcdan's mocking statement. The Orange Twinkie #45 was just making chit up as usual.
@Motherofone22 ай бұрын
"Space Force" run by a freaking toddler hopped up on Sunny D.😅😅😅❤
@TheStuport2 ай бұрын
@@Motherofone2 And Adderall 🤣
@greathornedowl3644Ай бұрын
🤔Werner von Braun "I Aim for the Stars" should have said "And sometimes I hit London" classic line
@Alan_SmithАй бұрын
I honestly think Bartlet and Toby had something to do with it. There is a scene from Season 7, Episode 4 (Mr Frost) were Toby and Bartlet discuss the subpoenas and Bartlet says the investigation into the leak is in CJ, and Toby says they have it wrong. And then that was the end of their discussion. That moment was like an unspoken nod, to get this under control. Just my opinion though.
@heddaleeАй бұрын
NO ONE connected Toby Zielger and the astronaut named Ziegler? No one thinks to wonder about it, or do any homework? That's just....not believable.
@aerbes1Ай бұрын
17:27-19:06 is, IMVHO one of the best post-Sorkin 6/7 scenes.
@CommanderOshawott2 ай бұрын
It always annoys me to no end that they try to keep the secret FROM THE PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF AND NUMBER ONE ADVISOR Like that’s just terrible writing. It’s something that CJ ABSOLUTELY should know about.
@NickdeVera16 күн бұрын
richard schiff is adamant that no way toby would've leaked, i agree, i imagine toby fell on his sword to cover for CJ, the real leaker
@charlievoges46152 ай бұрын
Oh crumbs… I don’t eve remember Toby ‘going out’ this way…., but gings! . this was a compelling program… with things the way they are today …. What a show!😊
@markaous12122 ай бұрын
You needed to add the shouting scene with ITS A FEDERAL CRIME
@shalashaska99462 ай бұрын
I'll say it again, this is totally something Toby would've done. He was the most arrogant person on the show, he always thought he knew better than everyone and was confident he was right to do whatever he wanted.
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
EXACTLY
@karmicbreath2 ай бұрын
Toby was arrogant, but he was never disloyal. Do you remember his speech to the staff about them being a team? In all his time in the White House, he never betrayed the team. He would have at least duked it out with POTUS heavily before leaping to leaking the story. That would have been way more believable and a better story than this whole suspense "who did it?" storyline.
@shalashaska99462 ай бұрын
@@karmicbreath I'm not so sure he would've. He was smart enough to know there was no possible way the prez would go for it and that him leaking it was literally the only way it would get out
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
@@karmicbreath never disloyal? What about all those times he openly defied Leo and Bartlett?
@karmicbreath2 ай бұрын
@@Edawgpilot do you have an example?
@blackcat4859Ай бұрын
I never liked the character of Will as a replacement of Sam. He feels a bit light compared to Josh, Sam and Toby. The actor place his part really well though.
@Gredddfe2 ай бұрын
I think it was really shitty of the press to nail Will with all those questions and be sulky when he didn't answer them. There's an ongoing investigation. I'm not going to let you try to trick me into undermining the investigation by leaking its details. Next question please!
@evankunkle660210 күн бұрын
I Love Watching West Wing TV Show ! I Subscribe related Politics
@nuculearbazooka2 ай бұрын
Never shoulda killed Glen in Walking Dead, never shoulda done this to Toby in West Wing.
@ktwashere56372 ай бұрын
why the President never replaced that snotty guy from the DoD I will never know. As the leader of the party and the President is he really not able to decide who the Cabinet will be?
@Sleepingfishie28 күн бұрын
Why was the Charlie scene in here 😂
@bgold2007Ай бұрын
Why all the calls from CJ office to Brock?
@LeonardBMCcCoy24 күн бұрын
Listen, I get they wanted to end the series on an emotional note: those scenes with Bartlet deciding to pardon Toby are pretty high strung and emotional. However, I disagree vehemently that Toby Ziegler would EVER have done something like that. Even Schiff as noted multiple times that it wasn't in the characters DNA (His exact quote on it is ‘What Was Done to Toby Was Wrong’).
@michaelmuldowney82 ай бұрын
Toby was covering for someone - his brother likely revealed the shuttle information before his suicide to someone who then spilled the beans to Greg Brock. Toby knew who it was and took the rap to protect his brothers family and from CJ getting blamed.
@Arjay404Ай бұрын
No, It was CJ. Just like the US Attorney at the end said, CJ brought up a hypothetical question related to a military shuttle, the only problem is that it wasn't hypothetical and CJ didn't consider if Toby had clearance or not before asking the hypothetical question.
@JanBruunAndersen2 ай бұрын
Someone please fill me in. What was the supposed reason for Toby leaking information about this secret shuttle?
@stephencronin10802 ай бұрын
It made sense that Toby Ziegler was the one who leaked the secret military shuttle in The West Wing for several reasons tied to his character and his motivations: Deep sense of morality and responsibility: Toby is portrayed throughout the series as someone with a strong ethical compass. He often struggles with the tension between government secrecy and transparency, and he feels a profound duty to uphold democratic principles. Leaking the shuttle could have stemmed from his belief that the public had a right to know about such significant military developments, particularly if they posed potential ethical concerns. Personal disillusionment: In the final season, Toby becomes increasingly disillusioned with the administration and the direction of government decisions. His relationship with the administration deteriorates, making it plausible that he would act out in a way that he believed aligned with the greater good, even if it was outside the law. Toby's past behavior: Toby has always been one of the most principled and idealistic characters on the show. He has clashed with others when he felt that policies or actions compromised the administration's integrity or values. His decision to leak the shuttle fits his long-established tendency to make morally-driven decisions, even when they are personally or professionally costly. The leak was framed as a desperate act: The revelation of the military shuttle was presented as a decision made out of a sense of hopelessness and frustration with the political system, which aligns with Toby's character at that point. He felt a need to do something drastic in the face of what he perceived as moral compromises, and leaking the shuttle was his way of taking a stand. In short, Toby's character arc, his growing disillusionment, and his deeply held convictions about transparency and morality made him a fitting choice for the character who would leak the secret
@JanBruunAndersen2 ай бұрын
@@stephencronin1080 - I can understand all that, but I cannot understand what good it would do the public to know about this secret shuttle. It is a given that all governments have secrets, so was Toby so innocent and blueyed that he believed (t)his government would be different?
@Abhorrence3532 ай бұрын
@@stephencronin1080 Hi ChatGPT
@Hasturoth2 ай бұрын
@@JanBruunAndersen There was a leak aboard the ISS and no other shuttle was available to go up and fix the issue. It was strongly implied that the government would rather let those astronauts die then reveal the existance of a millitary shuttle.
@aidan34222 ай бұрын
@@stephencronin1080 If I wanted to know what ChatGPT thought I would ask it myself
@patwill95 күн бұрын
10:39 Josh has been up all night, doing coke and rewriting the messaging plan. Which is how most presidential campaigns work.
@ReaverLordTonus2 ай бұрын
There were times I wonder if Toby took the Fall for CJ.
@A.D.0306Ай бұрын
No. He took the fall for the President. That's why he pardon him in the end. It was for all is screw ups. President call in a chip.
@cubswin38382 күн бұрын
Toby let people through through rough.
@theboss162523 күн бұрын
So did Toby do it or not?
@jalabi99Ай бұрын
1:16 TIL that Elisabeth Moss was on TWW - and that her character was getting it on with Charlie ... I should catch up 🤣
@iluvsakuraandsyaoranАй бұрын
their relationship was a big thing in season one!
@stevethomas22852 ай бұрын
Could there be more ads?
@Thechinkills2 ай бұрын
Toby 😭
@michaelvidal1971Ай бұрын
How was Toby's attorney able to get into the White House and to the Roosevelt room without an escort or permission from Toby.
@iluvsakuraandsyaoranАй бұрын
why do the comments in here hate Toby so much omfg. i love that sad little man. and i think this plot line was dumb as hell. i think under the right circumstances i could see both CJ and Toby being the leak, but I don't think it would play out like this.
@panaderofilmsАй бұрын
Did you hear about Pluto? That's messed up...
@leonkernan2 ай бұрын
Nothing launches from Vandenberg without being seen by half of California. This whole storyline was stupid.
@kyle381000Ай бұрын
I wondered about that myself. Just didn't make sense.
@Mik3Easter2 ай бұрын
Toby was the most arrogant, my-shit-doesn't-stink, holier-than-thou character on the whole show. I don't know what y'all are on about: this arc totally fits him.
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
EXACTLY
@rt85322 ай бұрын
Totally agree!
@brandonjones80592 ай бұрын
lol finally someone with some sense
@cameronwoodward11402 ай бұрын
I agree and hate it
@flyoma2 ай бұрын
I agree with you. Completely. Glad you said it, I was about to say the same.... he got overly preachy.
@UltimaKeyMaster15 күн бұрын
So...is...there a reason Toby did this? A half hour and I understand absolutely nothing about this entire arc. Toby seemingly leaks random classified info, shrugs and goes "yeah I did it" and is totally willing to just let the entire staff implode over the consequences of it?
@Depositron2 ай бұрын
The scene between Charlie and Bartlet never sat well with me. It’s a great scene, and j guess this was the beginning of Bartlers old man statesman arc but still seemed a little out of character. It was his delivery more than anything that rubbed me wrong.
@Teladian229 күн бұрын
This failed to include when they told the President and his best line
@varunhebliАй бұрын
If toby did do this, it was a little bit to teach Josh a lesson
@EnSerio712 ай бұрын
If there wasn't a leak would the astronauts die because it would of remained secret? 😅 That would be criminal.
@Arjay404Ай бұрын
Probably, as there would be no way for them to get to them with the military shuttle without a bunch of other countries finding out.
@rmwein1948Ай бұрын
Great TV
@KnataGuy2 ай бұрын
I hate everything about this story line. Poor Richard Schiff…
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
Why? Its completely within Toby’s character as the holier-than-thou, I-know-better, idealism over everything else radical that he is
@KnataGuy2 ай бұрын
@@Edawgpilot well, because it was the opposite of what you just said. Lol. Richard Schiff hated it too so yeah…
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
@@KnataGuy you clearly don’t understand Toby’s character…remember he’s the guy always trying to hold his own personal ethical compass over Bartlett
@KnataGuy2 ай бұрын
@@Edawgpilot so, you know more than the guy who played the character? K. You have no friends, do you…lol
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
@@KnataGuy no need for insults. Richard schiff may disagree, but that doesn’t make him right. Toby is holier-than-thou, thinks his shit doesn’t stink, idealist, and his radical candor often gets him into trouble
@TheBroz26 күн бұрын
While it’s a shame they did this to Toby I do think it was fantastic television.
@dealinginfictionАй бұрын
The writers did Toby dirty with this story arc. His character is such an idiot.
@RobotMetalheadАй бұрын
I always liked CJ, but her interactions with Will after Toby was fired were frustrating. I hated it.
@vdoggydogg3922Ай бұрын
Josh was pretty wrong to call them like that.
@edtrine8692Ай бұрын
Senator, do you also swear to tell the truth?
@kyle381000Ай бұрын
Toby was always a self-important sanctimonious condescending character for the entirety of the series. This was just the culmination of it. Bartlett should never have pardoned him.
@VinceLyle216128 күн бұрын
Looks like the country could have used an eccentric billionaire who could shoot rockets into orbit. Too bad they didn't have one back then.
@avaexistsuwu2403Ай бұрын
A kindly old well meaning president and a relentless assholic Republican Congress. It's almost profetic.
@VinceLyle216128 күн бұрын
Which country run by corrupt oligarchs was Bartlet getting his money from?
@jtthompson05202 ай бұрын
Toby was truly the one unlikeable character throughout this show.
@bellafoxygobble33762 ай бұрын
they did Toby dirty with this one. It was so out of character.
@Edawgpilot2 ай бұрын
It’s completely within character for him as the holier-than-thou, tunnel-visioned chief idealist of the group
@rt85322 ай бұрын
Totally something Toby WOULD do.
@SpecialJay2 ай бұрын
This was so badly written and marked the point the show started to go downhill. Toby totally out of character
@calamitysam49312 ай бұрын
CJ was the leak. Toby took the bullet.
@danielhamilton11302 ай бұрын
I dont think so
@Lio0329802 ай бұрын
It was known that Toby was the leak because his brother told him about the spacecraft. Toby's brother was an astronaut and was privy to the info about this ship somehow. I've been looking for the scene where Bartlett actually berates Toby and that even if people outside thinks he's a hero for saving the astronauts who were brought back home, Bartlett will not be one of them.
@LordOfNothingreally2 ай бұрын
This is my headcanon. It makes it more poetic, and fit better with their characters. CJ was just as moralistic as Toby was, but she was also more impulsive about it. Also, the character flaw of CJ allowing her friend to take the fall so her star could continue to rise would riddle her with shame and regret that might've been played out beautifully, and when asked why Toby could say to balance out his own shame for not having the courage to leak the info himself
@JamesSmith-xo3vj2 ай бұрын
CJ was the leak
@JessePalmer-cp1gmАй бұрын
Nope. Go to 21:20 where cj gives Toby a “ how could you” look
@RevanHornerАй бұрын
Nope.
@nathansnerdynook2 ай бұрын
Because when I think about the Space Shuttle leak, I think of Charlie sneaking out of Zoe's bedroom. 🙄 The only thing stupider than the AI running this channel is the people who thought it was a good idea to put an AI in charge of this channel or anything else.
@DGNYY27Ай бұрын
such clunky awful dialouge. post sorkin is total dogshit. aaron called Richard :"i heard whats happening to your character and I'm sorry"
@Rubio8172 ай бұрын
Toby was always my least favorite character in West Wing
@ruthmebАй бұрын
No accounting for lack of taste.
@malikashiqui2 ай бұрын
😅Call Elon!
@imcallingjapan21782 ай бұрын
Aaron Sorkin couldn't create a character as shallow as that.
@michael_horsley2 ай бұрын
How old was Bartlett's daughter? Hmm, Charlie was having a relationship with a minor.
@ZacharyhoughR2 ай бұрын
She was enrolled in college, and I believe was already taking courses. I believe she was 20?
@ZacharyhoughR2 ай бұрын
And that was in s1
@borisfenestra2 ай бұрын
She graduated from college in season 4, so she's probably 24-25, somewhere in there
@LandotheDrummer12 ай бұрын
I think she is supposed to be 17 in season 1 because during the MS reveal, Charlie talks to Leo about the medical forms for Georgetown, and says that you have to have a parent sign it if the applicant is under 18. So it's feasible that she was 20 or 21 when she graduated at the end of season 4.
@LordKalte2 ай бұрын
She was born in 1980 and so was Charlie. They're the exact same age. Even so, her character was 19 the first time she appeared in the show
@bgold20072 ай бұрын
How many wrong discussions of the leak will there be? I believe what I've read in the shorts. That Toby's brother leaked to Toby and Toby covered for him to protect his memory. See after 30:00
@swainscheps2 ай бұрын
Way to not look suspicious, Toby - 4:50 And not for nothing - how is it Toby gets fired and indicted for making this public - but the dipshit Kelwick accidentally mentions a ‘codeword classified’ secret and faces no repercussions? Then Leo and Bartlet pretend it never happened - it’s a ridiculous sequence - a ridiculous storyline, unworthy of tWW. Toby doesn’t like the heat in CJ - which is why he confessed, right? So why put her in that incredibly awkward and legally precarious situation of telling her in private? Great dramatic moment 🙄but makes no sense This is when the show began its death spiral.
@gregrtodd2 ай бұрын
I saw this when it originally aired and I assumed it was Toby (and I could see his character doing this). Watching it now, cut together like this, especially with the wordless scene between CJ and Toby, I'm in two minds. They are both such great actors, and their scenes were played with such finesse, that I could totally buy CJ being the leak, and Toby falling on the grenade to protect her. They've always had a brother/sister love relationship. Toby would have done it, and CJs expression could be read as her realising what Toby is doing for her, and for the administration. Or it could've been the other way... Brilliant nuanced performances either way.
@jimbass1664Ай бұрын
Great acting that leaves it up to the viewer. I agree with your theory about it being CJ though.
@blackcat4859Ай бұрын
Rewatching it now and I can see how CJ could be the leak. She got the champagne out and said that she was about to get arrested. The only thing that doesn't fully add up is how quick CJ would then accept Toby taking the fall.
@jimbass1664Ай бұрын
@@blackcat4859 Two things did it for me. CJ telling the reporter to name his source which I don't think she would have done if it wasn't her. Also the look she shares with Toby when he tells her he confessed needs no dialogue. Janney and Schiff don't need no words.
@WolfRamAndHartАй бұрын
That scene with CJ and Toby, caused him to crack. Hee was the main leal When he finds out the consequences were more than saving the astronauts lives, nd that it was effecting CJs mental health, he confessed. She doesnt recall being any part of it. Im still unsure who leaked it to Toby, probably his astronaut brother.
@blackcat4859Ай бұрын
I just remembered one of the last scenes oI Bartlett in the Oval office. The paper with the pardon for Toby on the desk and he waits until the last minute to sign it. If they set Toby up or it was actually CJ that leaked it wouldn't be that hard for him to sign the pardon