Western Forces drive to Washington, D.C. | Civil War (2024)

[@Stinger522]

0:05. When Raptors are at play, bandits stay away.

[@Stinger522]

@@jamie5361 I agree.

[@daCanadainCanuck]

unless the bandits are also raptors.

[@scottishd0g87]

Unless the bandits are China.

[@unflexian]

nah if you're not a Chinese balloon you'll be safe​

[@usmcdevildog3497]

Never gets old seeing military forces mobilizing like this, jets going by first, then choppers going in while armor snakes it's way forward.

[@neofulcrum5013]

I really hope there’s a comic or two on the factions

[@SpencerPease-gy5bq]

If there is it’ll be by Image or Dark Horse Comics I can tell you that with near certainty

[@Chicano_pistolero]

I wish they'd take the IP and make a series out of it or a couple different movies set in different areas or times during the conflict

[@ItsJuju09]

I hope we get like a series or prequel that shows the perspective of a combatant within each faction. Feel like it would do well with good writing.

[@whitelabrat]

The point was to avoid getting to deep into the politics. Its not relevant. War is about power or resources... civil war even more so. Anything else is a side show.

[@bishop51807]

​@@whitelabrat The movie wasn't even about war, that was a plot device. The film was more about journalism and how we perceive it. "War is politics by other means" -Carl von Clausewitz abridged quote

[@luisprieto3582]

This scene was loud as hell in the cinema

[@Stinger522]

Regular or IMAX?

[@luisprieto3582]

@@Stinger522 Regular

[@Stinger522]

@@luisprieto3582 I saw it in both but IMAX had the better sound.

[@luisprieto3582]

@@Stinger522 Cool bro, i wish i could've your luck to watch it in imax

[@bwer123gt]

Texas and California Air national guard doesn't operate F-22s So either units from the big air force defected or Hawaii is part of the alliance

[@bradmikkelsen8960]

I guess many regular bases defected, especially once already in the states.

[@Hyperion21x]

They're not national guard at 0:20 the emblem on the front of the Chinook is for the 1st Cavalry Division, a lot of people seem to think the WF is just Texas/California national guard but that wouldn't make sense for logistics or strength if you actually think about it.

[@OnePlayer480]

It's said in the movie that large chunks of the loyalist states didn't side with the President, the ones that did were hardcore loyal to the state and just the state for "reasons" that the movie didn't explain besides fanatism which is why you can see them outclassed by the people who put their own interests or family or ideals about what the country has to be above the state, so the F-22s are most likely from some non-loyalist airbase in one of those loyalist states that didn't side with the Gov. As you can see, the movie implies that once the ball started rolling against him, everyone either switched sides or went from neutral to actively rebellious for again, "reasons" that are not fully explained because the movie is about journalism. And it makes sense. If you look at faction maps from some of the middle east you will see states supporting X cause but they are filled to the brim with holes that do not support that cause, and the same happens with the unallied states, they have spots that support X order they are against. And then you get multicolored spots here and there which are rebels fighting against rebels and other rebels and the state and so on because of conflicts of interest and so on. And the maps end up looking like waves every few months due to how drastically they can change.

[@Redneck2393]

@@Hyperion21x According to movie lore, large numbers of the military changed sides, so maybe the 1st Air Cav or part of it decided to defect. As for overall strength, both states have a combined land force of over 36,000 personnel, and both states do have heavy equipment like Abrams tanks and Apache choppers. And that's without mentioning the numbers of defecting US military units like (Presumably) the 1st Air Cav or all of the volunteers joining the WF. I imagine also that other states not in the WF but sympathetic to their cause would send material aid and maybe some volunteers of their own as well.

[@justinegonzalez6461]

At this point of the film, it is explained that most federal forces had already surrendered, switched sides - leaving very little loyalist forces left in DC to protect the President.

[@simpleman8236]

I’m not sure how both side able to identify each other, they use same camouflage

[@phillipsmith4473]

Probably arm bands

[@frdrsch]

They just ask "What kind of american are you?"

[@Silvreina]

@@phillipsmith4473 We know which side will use the red armband..

[@ssww3]

Patches

[@OnePlayer480]

That's kind of the point too. Just like in other civil war conflicts, sometimes it becomes real difficult to notice who's with who because they use the same fitting gear. In places like the U.S. it would be extremely messy due to the surplus of the same type of gear, cheap recreations, airsoft props, etc, in a war you repurpose anything and everything. Crossfire would be insane and also people getting shot due to the confusion of whether they are armed or not because it might look like a real gun or something while they are just using toys or trying to move away their military nerd stuff that doesn't work. Also the unironical "Rambos" or "Wannabe Rambos" trying to save the day or be the heroes even if their gun is pure airsoft or just non-lethal ammo. Insanity.

[@AdrianMartinez-ho6db]

This is military ASMR at its finest 👍🏾.ignoring the context of why and what came next 😂

[@loonalover69184]

How do people keep getting good clips from the movie?!?!

[@Stinger522]

It is available on Amazon Prime.

[@YukonSteamTurbinePropeller]

This so would've been a great series instead of a movie

[@camward9293]

0:10 Not really sure what the point of that roll was lol

[@Sky-Bananas]

Prolly spotted the press down there recording

[@Stinger522]

​@@Sky-BananasEven during a Civil War, fighter pilots still have to do what fighter pilots do best. Show off.

[@joshispro345]

to look cool duhh

[@rafaelomansan]

To raise the morale of the troops on the ground.

[@Stinger522]

@@rafaelomansan Raise morale, look cool, and show off, all in one go.

[@Komyeta]

Ace Combat ftw

[@orcunciftci1691]

What about US navy? If I recall correctly, no reference has been ever made as to its side. Considering US navy has the second largest air fleet in the world as well as an army in itself which does operate a separate air fleet, the navy is strategically vital for a victory. Of course the land forces has cleared Washington DC, but we do not know how a loyalist navy would respond

[@alexsutherland5331]

I wish I want to be the WF Army

[@LibertárioAncapistão]

*Let me see if I understand, only the state of California and Texas joined together against the federal government, I haven't seen the movie yet!*

[@joshhumbler4197]

No California and Texas allied together, but also the southern states became "the Florida Alliance". It's funny cause you would think the southern states would have gotten to Washington first seeing how they had more states, people and were closer to DC.

[@dawsonkozel4171]

@@joshhumbler4197 doesn’t mean they have the military ect, I think early on DC also severed Florida’s supply lines

[@whitelabrat]

@@joshhumbler4197 Its just manpower and money to drive the war. The whole South doesn't match California in economic power let alone. California alone is 15% of the total US GDP. With Texas they are 24% of the nations GDP.

[@right584]

​@@dawsonkozel4171most of the military joined the revolution so it really didn't matter what state had

[@pavehawk10]

Looks like NC and SC fell pretty quickly

[@jordanwilliams2557]

The U.S. evacuating Vietnam be like:

[@HammysWorld91]

I wanna know what lead up to this or what caused it

[@pavehawk10]

President Committed treason

[@Stinger522]

​@@pavehawk10 And wanted to make himself king.

[@augustusnafrada2811]

So basically the people of America were unhappy when the president was on his 3rd term and made the country an authoritarian dictatorship regime. This caused many states to secede from the president and form their own groups and alliances. The groups consisted of - the western forces (Texas and California) - the Florida alliance (most of the southern states) The new peoples army (most of the north western states) Those who were loyal to the president were the loyalists Fun fact: the western forces consisted of us military units who rebelled against the president, one of those units were the 1st cavalry division

[@Stinger522]

@@augustusnafrada2811 The NPA should've called themselves the New People's Republic or Federation.

[@augustusnafrada2811]

@@Stinger522 makes sense, but also I guess it depends military wise because some of the factions are military forces as well

[@irishv1rginian]

Bit flat for Charlottesville

[@pavehawk10]

Yeah and they never showed the city

[@JarodFarrant]

I bet you any money after this movie the states of Alaska perhaps New England joined Canada 🇨🇦

[@raynes6286]

Alaska is mentioned as a ‘neutral territory’.

[@uglyewok6715]

Such a joke…California and Texas fighting together

[@pavehawk10]

He probably ordered air strikes on them. It’s explained in the movie

[@whitelabrat]

They make up 24% of the nations GDP. They are the economic powerhouses. If a president is threatening trade or to mess with the economy they are natural allies. Remember wars are about money and power. Everything else is just clown circus. Sure people can talk about the border or whos a snowflake this week but in the end its always about economics and who controls the economics.

[@scootersbooters1365]

It’s probably not just those two I imagine it’s most of the US against the federal government and it’s Texas/California spearheading it

[@monkhead7217]

Yeah the armies will fight together because no matter what state you are in, you are brothers in the military. Only civilians will fight over what’s a better state

[@jeffbo8748]

It’s not impossible. You’d get a similar response from someone in the 1920s if you tried to tell them that Britain and America would team up with the Soviet Union against Germany.

[@bryank5932]

Unarmored tan humvees in an urban environment, because hillbilly armor and spray paint don't exist in this world apparently. And the shithooks left their collision lights on while infiling at night lmao. So glad I didn't pay to watch this shit and get to watch it for free here.

[@paulhui3282]

Is that really that unrealistic? The paint job point is kinda silly since the rebel forces are from the west, and probably spent the first half of the war fighting in the very sandy American southwest to link up their states. After that, it makes sense that wider spread repainting would be difficult for a rebel military after many years of destructive war. Hell the U.S. military with all its logistical might was unable to supply its soldiers with the proper desert camouflage for desert storm with 6 months preparation. In comparison the western forces had more immediate issues and less logistical capacity

[@SabeSilver]

So what I've noticed in the movie, the Western Forces are; A big chunk of Marines Army Special Forces or Rangers (?) 1st Cavalry Division (the only noticeable unit) Some contingents of the Air Force

[@devantaraazof4365]

I really wish the movie showed what happen to the US after the president dead

[@aizen_world]

remember what Sammy said "as soon as the president dead they'll are turn on each other"

[@Stinger522]

@@aizen_world I think the Western Forces ultimately won the Civil War.

[@sovietbear5829]

Look at what happened in Libya

[@Stinger522]

@@sovietbear5829 Still fighting today?

[@Lancaster604]

Civil War is basically Syria. You got the loyalists serving President Assad, the Free Syria Army fighting against the president, you got the Kurds and the communists trying to carve out their own slice and then you got ISIS and Al-Qaeda trying to establish Sharia Law. In the movie you got the president, you got Western Forces fighting against the president, you got the Florida Alliance who are fundamentalist Christians, and then you got the commies on the Northern states based out of Portland.

[@ColonelPeppers]

They made the Western Forces OP. They had APC's, tanks, choppers, Raptors, literally everything. While the Loyalists had nothing from the looks of it, even though there were several armor depots in the Loyalist states, Virginia alone has four depots. Its like they made them weak on purpose.

[@sergiohelgueramartinez7479]

A) The fact that a state might be shown as loyalist may not mean anything, modern civil wars are a lot messier than "this state is in this faction so everyone and everything in that state joins that faction". Just look at stuff like maps of the Syrian or Lybian civil wars. B) You are ignoring the fact that the movie's point isn't "This is what we think a real second civil war would look like" , the movie's point is: "We are going to put what you tend to see in civil wars out there in a USA context so American audiences will be shocked into caring about it."

[@katiesims3075]

You’re also forgetting a majority of the loyalist surrendered. The only loyalist that didn’t surrender were hardcore soldiers and a handful of secrete service in DC

[@copperman6778]

@@sergiohelgueramartinez7479 I have some doubt that the movie's goal was to showcase civil wars in an American setting; if it was, they did a terrible job. There is practically nothing to relate to other than the fact that the equipment and geography is American. There is little actual politics showcased in the movie, ergo, there is little incentive for Americans to believe that they should care about civil war in America.

[@sergiohelgueramartinez7479]

​@@copperman6778I'm just saying it's the goal, not that they did a good job.

[@johnbrinsmead3316]

Guess that's how they got themselves in the position to assault the loyalist capital.

[@dannylo5875]

The President must have done something completely unconstitutional...

[@f-86zoomer37]

Yeah he did. It’s stated in the movie that he orders his troops to shoot journalists on sight in DC and also stayed in office for a third term. That’s why when you see loyalist soldiers being captured either by unorganized rebels or WF, they are immediately executed on the spot. They must have done extremely terrible things as well beyond not following the constitution. You even see the WF soldier shoot an unarmed Secret Service agent. There must have been some very bad blood and baggage.

[@rbclc]

Disbandment of FBI and prolonged of his term of Presidency (3 times) .

[@hectorsanchez1377]

@@rbclcalso ordered air strikes on american citizens.

[@smoketinytom]

@@rbclcjudging by the behaviour the FBI throughout its history, it’s disbanding would be a benefit.

[@rbclc]

@@smoketinytom Well one of their function is to to prevent the government to abuse their power to restrict constitutional right of U.S Citizens.

[@jacobcave1587]

1:24 Jesus Christ that’s a lot of chinooks

[@pavehawk10]

Well most of the military sided with the rebels

[@bustasmoke]

this movie should be a series

[@uncleraze3427]

Yes, I agree, the plot of the film is too rushed

[@PerssTheMerryMan]

Ah yes, here we see that the Western Forces have been severely depleted after the very great defeat they have suffered earlier at the hands of the loyalists

[@brennen_irl]

The WF are the ones that pushed the loyalists back and killed the president.

[@pavehawk10]

That was a load of crap you could tell even the president knew he was numbered

[@Rimasta1]

I like how in all movies F-22’s will be flying real low instead of at 40,000 ft. I guess that’s not exciting. Also, sleeping on the ground when vehicles are moving right next to you (no ground guides) is a great way to get run over. Last, I am in awe that the 47’s weren’t crashing into each other with air traffic control like that. I wish I knew less so I could enjoy this scene instead of noticing all these errors.

[@jaketan99]

Yep same, also do you think army soldiers would sleep in tents? Cause we usually sleep in a poncho and wooby for about a week or 2 just waiting.

[@whitelabrat]

I thought about that also and assumed it was a morale gesture especially with the friendly wing wave. But yea they should be at high altitude providing cover for the staging area and operation. And I thought of the sleeping on the ground also, I assume when he fell asleep no one was driving and no one bothered to wake him. That tracks.

[@nukepuke932]

My issue is that the city still has a functioning power grid. If I were invading a city, one of the first things I'd do is disable all utilities. Guess that's why I'm not a military strategist.

[@DngrDan]

I was on a FOB last year. Dudes were going 40 kicking up dirt past little tents on roads 3 meters wide. Anyways, it's a movie. Suspend your disbelief Mr military guy

[@Rimasta1]

@@DngrDan oh you’re right, I thought it was a documentary. Thanks bro.

[@JarodFarrant]

Wonder how many states bordering Canada would join the nation after all this?

[@theyesntultra7742]

Definitely Washington

[@JM-hl9id]

@@theyesntultra7742 nah according to the lore much of the northwest is controlled by "Portland Maoists," (take it with a grain of salt but I've seen someone/some source say it was protected/supported by China) so clearly in this timeline the leftist factions in the country grew considerably and also benefitted from the civil war

[@pavehawk10]

Most of them were part of the New People’s army.

[@SabeSilver]

My headcanon is that Canada would be a neutral party leading a UN Peacekeeping Mission

[@edwardglickman6426]

Need a book. It would make good reading.

[@loganryan1431]

Those two jets remind me of my buddy and I being pilots in Battlefield 4 lol

[@urmomgae577]

Quality over quantity

[@right584]

They had both since most of the military joined the revolution

[@urmomgae577]

But their numbers were smaller than the loyalist army

[@monkhead7217]

@@urmomgae577would you believe what the president say?

[@markusmeldre]

i loved this sequence

[@IDapto77]

California couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag right now.

[@patefreeman1106]

It government couldn’t but not the population and military.

[@augustusnafrada2811]

If you think of it this way California has the most troops and Texas has the most guns

[@vermas4654]

1:02 is that a kamaz or an iveco?

[@charles07km83]

Its a LTV light transport vehicle of the us army

[@right584]

Doubt it but if it was it's a hint that Russia is supplying and supporting the revolution against the president

[@tieradlerch.217]

I like how civilian got entire army equipments including jets

[@right584]

Most of the military and national guard joined the revolution against the president

[@mrrodeo6330]

I think they are the national Guard Texas and California I guess they disbanded from the us army and fight against them idk but that's probably why they have all of the Chinooks f-22s and the same camo with gear

[@right584]

@@mrrodeo6330 most of the military joined the revolution against president

[@monkhead7217]

This ain’t civilians, these are actual soldiers. In a real American civil war, it’s not civilians fighting. It’s soldiers or militias

[@tieradlerch.217]

@@monkhead7217 well that interesting