Texas pastor explains why he wants Gateway Church to tell the truth about Robert Morris' allegations

A former pastor at the Gateway Church in Southlake said he believes past church leaders knew of disgraced founder Robert Morris' alleged sexual assault of a 12-year-old girl and assisted in covering it up.
Stephen LeBlanc, who is now senior pastor of the Sherman Bible Church, said he feels betrayed by Morris and doesn't believe Gateway is taking responsibility for its now-former leader's alleged actions.
Morris resigned from Gateway last month after Cindy Clemishire said he had sexually assaulted her for years, beginning when she was 12 years old in the 1980s.
In a statement Wednesday night, a Gateway spokesperson said: "The sexual abuse of Cindy as a child by Robert Morris is unfathomable."
"The elders are committed to finding the truth and holding people accountable," the spokesperson said. "Regrettably, prior to June 14, the current elders did not have all the facts."
LeBlanc, who said he had known Morris since the late 80s and accepted a job as a pastor at Gateway in 2011, said he had no idea the details of Morris' alleged sexual assault, despite Morris' frequent invocation of his past "immorality."
"It never in a thousand years would’ve crossed my mind to say 'Let me ask you, Robert, what was the age of this person?'" LeBlanc said. "It was always framed as indiscretion with a young lady. And when I hear young lady, I don’t think 12-year-old. I don’t think anybody does."
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[@guriausa]

This interview was extremely well done. The interviewer didn't ask baiting questions or put down Christians or the church. The pastor being interviewed was clear and concise as well as biblical.

[@elitestructures4997]

Agreed. That was well done by the interviewer.

[@susandickens4555]

That's my opinion. AN the Lord Jesus's love too. Repent an be a child of God. Listen to Billy Graham excellent teacher sent from God. Alot of pastors are not called or chosen . They see it to be a money operation. God help them on judgement day

[@fatumataholloway4897]

The predators leave from one church to another!

[@fatumataholloway4897]

Christian are to hate what God's hate. This man is right. According to the Bible freely you give freely received. Churches are not supposed to demand money from its people.

[@BenCotten]

So much intelligence and strong character in this pastor too. This guy will likely never be famous, or infamous, but is a great example of so many pastors I know.

[@tammy9497]

Wow. God bless this man for speaking out and for standing for what is right.

[@starsalign9336]

Wow, exactly what I was thinking and feeling. He's so articulate and makes so much sense.

[@juliedavis3118]

He’s a great man, he married one of my dear friends I graduated HS with from Shady Grove Christian Academy. He and his wife are good people, very proud of him!

[@BlestinTexas24]

That's what I say too.. So clear and direct. One can see and hear his righteous anger and hurt. Morriss hired a high powered law pain. Why would he need to do that?

[@iaingraham7586]

@@BlestinTexas24 I'm glad he is speaking out in support of Ms Clemishire. The elders at Gateway and Shady Grove Church post 1986-1987 will face a question besides being asked what they knew and when they knew it. They will be asked , what they tried to find out in terms of details if indeed Morris had disclosed to them that he had a moral failing in his past. (his term and not mine) The elders had a right and responsibility to ask hard questions in that situation. Elders have a supervisory role in terms of church affairs and officials. I should note that to the best of my knowledge, none of the elders have been charged with a crime ; and don't have a civil judgement against them in this situation. Gateway is not now defending Robert Morris from a moral standpoint per their second statement on Clemishire's claims of abuse issued on or around June 18, 2024. They have accepted the resignation of Morris as their Pastor., (though he has not been charged with a crime) and apologized to Clemishire for what she endured.

[@jennifer5416]

I agree. You can tell he was spirit led.

[@EuniQview]

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" Thank you pastor for your integrity 🙏

[@carriemccurley-th8gn]

This!

[@anamariamorris7376]

Integrity? You do not know him

[@jm1733]

That verse is referring to receiving the Spirit of Christ, hearing the voice of the only Good Shepherd and being set free from the counterfeit religious system that includes all of christianity where people gather to hear the voice of a MAN in place of Christ....also known as an antichrist. As it is written, let God be true but every MAN a liar. Rom 3:4

[@CarlaJackson-f1m]

You misquoted and taken the verse out of context.

[@nk5850]

Well spoken! EXCELLENT INTERVIEW. Every Christian, every church member, every FORMER church member and every pastor needs to hear this.

[@bobbiejoyce1402]

EXCELLENT interview. This pastor has a heart for Almighty God and his Lord Jesus. Very courageous.

[@devinmercer9150]

I was blessed enough to have him as a pastor for 3 years, and he is the real deal. He and his wife has created and raised a family with beautiful hearts and a love for God. ❤

[@amandagarthe6416]

I agree

[@fatumataholloway4897]

He has some nice points. This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.”​-JOHN 17:3. To have ever lasting life Christian needed to have accurate knowledge of Jehovah and Jesus. Surely not everyone will be a Jehovah witness, but they will have the heart of a witness . Keep doing what is right in Jehovah eyes.

[@fatumataholloway4897]

Knowledge from the Bible can also save life. The first Bible writer, Moses, stated: “It is no valueless word for you, but it means your life, and by this word you may lengthen your days.” (Deuteronomy 32:47) Can the Bible really lengthen our days? In what way does it mean our life?

[@fatumataholloway4897]

I am with this pastor,, he is telling the truth.

[@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242]

I love your closing remarks! This is what we need in the church.

[@Donna-hz3vi]

I am so thankful this man of God is standing strong for the Truth. God bless him.

[@KydSyster20]

Finally!!! Someone standing in scripture and morals….Seeing how they didn’t handle that situation just biblically disqualifying that security guard from service…..I also appreciate dispelling the prosperity “gospel”….

[@bitrudder3792]

Exactly - God loves a cheerful giver, not a coerced one.

[@bitrudder3792]

And I wonder how many secrets that security guard had to blackmail with.

[@sidneyhill7834]

What does gospel mean

[@CherylSmith-ku4qn]

@@sidneyhill7834 good news

[@dawnjohnson5787]

The good news about Jesus Christ. That He died for your sins and is now seated at the right hand of the Father interceding for you and I

[@Singita.S]

Glad he mentioned the tithe thing. The pastor came to our church (Rhema) in South Africa last year (2023) teaching about tithe. He was twisting scriptures and putting guilt in the hearts of those who have no knowledge. It was the most disgusting sermon I’ve sat in.

[@DerickFaisonSpeaks]

Can't conflate those issues. That's just an opinion and a viewpoint.

[@mariag3605]

​@@DerickFaisonSpeakswhat are you trying to say? I can't tell if your agreeing, or disagreeing, with the commentor...

[@benjiradach1361]

It was one of the things I heard about 8 years ago when I first listened to a Robert Morris message - I stopped listening to him after that. While I give and have given at least 10% to my current church, Morris's compulsion around giving (which clearly contradicts scripture - "...not under compulsion...for God loves a cheerful giver...") was my issue with his preaching.

[@johnnysaucedaiii8177]

😂

[@DerickFaisonSpeaks]

@mariag3605 neither. Just stating an opinion.

[@EM-vb8gx]

Thank you for this interview! This is a high value pastor that’s hard to find these days. I would definitely go to his church if I lived in TX. God bless him!

[@cynthiawoodburn977]

Wow! Wonderful interview. Pastor you are spot on in everything. Thank you for speaking up!

[@CJ-ri9vl]

This is what integrity looks like and sounds like. When you as a person in ministry stand up against evil deeds. So many lies. Thank you, Sir, for your honesty.

[@SherriNDallasTX]

Wfaa so glad you are continuing to give this story coverage and give us new updates. Thank you❣️

[@mattgiant8836]

Morris called her 'a young lady', claimed she was flirtatious (!) and they call 4 years of abuse a 'moral failure'...all signs of downplaying the actual CRIMES he committed and signs of being unrepentant. I get angry too when I hear these things. No accountablity. And if anything is needed in church and in our lives it is accountability.

[@marcyanglin1741]

The whole thing is repulsive. I thought he was such a great preacher. I'm disappointed. God help him.

[@TrustJesus333]

I have experienced something similar. Have lost ALL trust in men, including Christian men….shared with a Christian woman, she supported the perpetrator. I do not desire to be part of a church. Thankfully, I have not lost my rock-solid faith in God and His Truth.

[@jenniferkeeponfighting7561]

Same!!!!! They played his video in my church after we'd mentioned the initial findings, they still played him, I was just sick over it.

[@Star-Mac10]

May the Lord heal your wounds. In Jesus' Name, Amen.

[@bitrudder3792]

It seems that Satan infiltrated the church from the start, creating a hierarchical structure that set the perfect stage for this kind of abuse, squelching the work of the Holy Spirit, as well as destroying the priesthood of believers who can preach the gospel, baptize people, pray with them as they receive the gift of tongues, lay hands on the sick to heal them, cast out demons, etc. Why does the church look so different from what Jesus said it would look like? It could be argued that 😢it started seriously with institutionalization of the church.

[@wendyrucker]

​@@bitrudder3792this comment is so so true!!!

[@HappyPenguin75034]

No desire for Church? That’s against Christ. Gateway is a false Church anyhow so losing faith in that isn’t your issue.

[@undefineddomi2267]

Excellent explanation. Thank you Mr. LeBlanc for speaking the truth in love. You speak with authority and humbleness at the same time. You have a gift from God to do so. Many blessings

[@Jacubamustoff]

Yes and T.D. Jakes should be removed from TBN. Tithing needs to be done without expectations.

[@mandybald4042]

I absolutely disagree! We can expect that it will be given back to us . Give and it shall be given. What about: "Pressed down, shaken together and running over."??

[@apparentlybfb7754]

@@mandybald4042 blessings aren’t guaranteed! You can give and your car break down or fridge will go out! Q-how does widows or disabled in the community get fed, bus passes get handed out, one time utility or rent get paid, prison ministry get done! Giving from the heart whether it’s $5 or $50!

[@StayInTheWord]

@@mandybald4042You are twisting God’s word. You cannot take one verse and build your theology. Read the scriptures in its context.

[@ChairmanTrump]

Almost all preachers are false here in America. Especially those who bring in politics and personal beliefs into the church. We don’t need your personal opinions

[@kkbattle3536]

@@StayInTheWordthat scripture is not a twist, it’s God’s word. Even in secular spaces, if you plant a seed or invest your money, there will be a return. It’s a spiritual law. You don’t have to do it, but don’t condemn those who do it and are prosperous.

[@devinmercer9150]

I want to say something about the personal experience i have had with the man speaking in this video, Pastor LeBlanc. * But first, I'll briefly tell you how we crossed paths... I was on staff and volunteered at Gateway in a few different departments for over a decade. I always worked at the café or within the childrens department on weekends (as well as throughought the week), which worked well for me because I didnt mind missing the weekend sermons. When listening to former Pastor Robert Morris speak, I would get a feeling in my gut that I am familiar with. And so I never got anything out of his sermons. 🙏Then Pastor Stephen LeBlanc came on staff and preached every Tuesday night to a group mostly comprised of 18 to 30 years old. God bless this man. I attented every Tuesday while he was there. He is so passionate about being a vessel for God, and his whole face lights up when he talks about the Lord, and of course his wife and kids. He has a way of bringing scripture to life and when appropriate, he knows how to sprinkle in his sense of humor in certain messages. This is a man of integrity, a kind man, one who really puts aalot of thought and prayer into his decisions, and I wholeheartedly trust him and it it makes me sad to see the hurt in his eyes. I hate that anyone has send any negativity his way, but he did this knowing that would happen. I doubt he will see this, but if my some off chance he does: Pastor LeBlanc, I want to thank you for being the safe space I needed for a time to learn how to grow my relationship deeper with God, and for all the laughs, wisdom, and hope you and your wife provided during yourr brief time there. And thankyou for what you said in this interview. I was SA'd when I was 5-6, and you were correct in saying it alters the trajectory of your life. I have PTSD and still need therapy thirty years later. So THANKYOU for speaking up for all children who arent able to themselves.

[@valeriehancock1724]

You should send this to him. God Bless.

[@devinmercer9150]

@valeriehancock1724 I don't have his current email, unfortunately. I wanted him to know what a difference he made in my life.

[@KimberlyStringer-th8gu]

This BLESSED ME.THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP!❤

[@CindyBailey-ot9io]

I went to RM church once. I don’t live in Texas but read his books, listened to his sermons. When this information came out my heart was sick. One of the worst things to happen in my family was my dad being abused by a “pastor “….leaving a ripple effect to this day through our family. The abuse of power, the lies, the masks, all of it is sickening. I am so thankful for the love of Jesus and knowing He is not ok with any of this, and one day all things will be made right.

[@wejpasadena1]

Great interview…I don’t know thus man but he comes across as humble, sincere, and a lover of truth.

[@kittylemew]

This was an excellent interview. Thank you!

[@Denise-yj3se]

Great interview. It’s good to see a pastor of integrity

[@childofGod1111]

A Pastor of Integrity would follow the scriptures and not pick and choose. I understand the outrage, without a doubt. I'm with everyone in it, however, a TRUE man or woman of GOD would be taking this Pastor and loving him, making sure he is not disgraced and remembering he is just as much a Dearly Beloved as the victim is.

[@Kylieetomatiesss]

This man truly reflects the fear of God, may God continue to give him wisdom in all of this

[@Discernmentlab]

This man is a true shepherd of the flock and says the truth. Phenomenal interview.

[@Rileysmom4]

This is the best interview I’ve seen on the situation. Thank you. I’ve been so angry.

[@devinmercer9150]

@Rileysmom4 Pastor LeBlanc is the real deal. He always directs attention towards the scripture, and doesn't act like an idol of sorts. I've been lucky enough to attend his sermons for about three years. If anyone gets the chance to visit where he preaches now, I would definitely not pass that up. Again, he has no ill will. He just wants justice and accountability taken...and you can tell it just breaks him that any of this was happening in the first place. This is a deep wound for alot of people. Thankyou Cindy for speaking up!

[@alwaysworking5077]

What is his church called?? We're looking around for other places and would love to visit his​@@devinmercer9150

[@grannyjclay-joannieholdhus925]

Thank you, Pastor LeBlanc. It is incredibly refreshing to hear other pastors stand on the Truth. You have blessed me and perhaps many, many others.

[@pattijones8557]

Thank you, Pastor LeBlanc for sharing your heart in this matter. My husband and I went through a similar situation at our church we were at for 28 years. We actually left the church and moved a state over to flee from what the church staff was doing. God has watched over us in our move and found a place to land after the upheaval. Praying for you as you are going through this difficult time.

[@LesEvans-i2v]

I agree with the call the police. It shouldn’t even be difficult. A child is involved. None of us are qualified to deal with that properly. And, sometimes members of the church might do things the church isn’t aware of. But, when things unravel, the church might suffer. Transparency, is the only safe solution.

[@lauracde4414]

I’m so thankful for this pastor’s understanding of the issues involved and his advocacy for survivors. If he’s exhausted after two weeks of fighting for victim rights in this case, imagine what it’s like for those of us who have gone through this alone in silence with the perpetrator never admitting his crime, the church believing the pastor instead of the victim, and the victim being shunned by the church. Churches often are so concerned about ministering to the perpetrators and their families that they minister so poorly victims and their families. But God has always cherished the oppressed, the victimized, the powerless and the weak. And He sees and hears and knows all. God has begun cleaning out the temple and restoring His Church. Praise Him for that!

[@isabelmariah]

Wow I’m actually impressed with this Pastor. He answers questions so effortlessly and makes so much sense. I also love how he reminds people that God gave us free will and loves us regardless of what we give

[@patticook4081]

I attended that church twice in Frisco and my spirit told me no. Never returned

[@johnnysaucedaiii8177]

😂😂

[@SanctifiedLady]

I told care of the music directors mother in the nursing home in Celina. He was nice but he knew the reputation because he didn’t want his elderly mother to say where he worked 😂

[@lucymane3628]

Same. I went once to the one in GP and south lake. Never went again

[@lovekoko200]

Wow. I have never been this impressed with a postor. What integrity he has and he is so well spoken.

[@ChildofGod98765]

There are so many different obstacles that I face as a single mom. Some days I want to give up. God give me strength. I’m struggling to make ends meet. Both of my sons are special needs and require much from me. I keep faith because I know that God will provide. So as I struggle to buy groceries for my children, and as I struggle to pay rent every month. I turn to you Lord Jesus help me.

[@GaryDeb7716]

Praying you can find a job that will sufficiently support you and your children 🙏. Keep the faith ❤

[@thechildlessmillennial1538]

Reach out to some food banks for help with groceries ❤❤❤

[@michelerivera2330]

Judgment begins in His House. We r a Nation under Judgment

[@kathleenking47]

Until we clean it up 1 peter 4:17

[@KansasMiss-mf4bj]

After Robert was found out, he only took 1 month off for restoration. Not 2 years as Shady Grove had told Cindy’s parents. That’s in Robert’s book.

[@a2j457]

Is Shady Grove Baptist?

[@KansasMiss-mf4bj]

@@a2j457 I have no idea. I think they folded into Gateway.

[@Lifer-m7s]

KansasMiss... are you sure about that? I personally know a lawyer who was at Shady Grove when this took place. He would advise you otherwise. Becareful of your tongue James 1:26

[@KansasMiss-mf4bj]

@@Lifer-m7s Am I sure about what?

[@trulyso734]

@@Lifer-m7s whats wrong with what she said?? Bizarre

[@mudfan061]

This is a man after God’s own heart.

[@MyAnchor619]

I started GW it's opening weekend in Southlake, became a member and attended until 2013. I'm frustrated with myself for having stayed so long as I literally sat in the new church so many times feeling something wasn't right. I would often hear RM tell a story and think to myself, "I wonder if he's making that up." Something was off. I didn't trust the elders who used to walk around and shake our hands. I distanced myself from GW & RM in 2013 and found out how wrong his teaching and theology was. Now? I realize what that "off" feeling was. The church was founded with this lie. I would like my tithe money back, Robert Morris. You know, all the money you guilted us to give even asked us to sign a contract at the beginning of the year what we would tithe, and when I couldn't give a few months, I received a letter reminding me of my contract?

[@Monorail-Beyond-the-Veil]

I had NO idea members had to actually sign a CONTRACT with the church to pay tithes. WOW - I would have walked right out that door right then. I am glad you realized something wasn't right and finally left.

[@michelleberntsson2314]

You had to sign a contact to tithe ? That is absolutly crazy and unbiblcaö and very much ungodly control God actually told me 1 year ago there would be a run on the churches to get their tithes and offerings back once people saw the corruption and unerstood how they had been manipulated and deceived Giving is between us and Jesus and it is as the Holy Spirit leads and with a joyful heart

[@michelleberntsson2314]

You have discernment ! I hope you can trust your discernment in the future despite what everybody else is doing and saying . I have been there too

[@katcraig7525]

I can't tell you how many times I would hear Robert tell a story & think to myself, "I don't believe that."

[@michelleberntsson2314]

@@katcraig7525that is very often a jezebel spirit in operation

[@BerniceGreenwood]

Yes God bless this man for speaking the truth. We need more men in churches like him. Bernice

[@Del-Scent]

I'm fortunate to attend the church where this man is my senior pastor in Sherman, Texas.

[@fishincognito]

Thank you for speaking out. It is a blessing to have Godly Christian leaders who are willing to speak up for those who have been victimized. The Holy Spirit is a spirit of power and of truth!

[@dinahlopez6408]

So refreshing to hear this man of God speak, we need more godly men & women like this.

[@faysheridan2192]

Pray for those pastors. None is perfect. We all have fallen short.

[@Rose-Rae]

I'm so very grateful for the truth spoken here by this man. Especially regarding morality and tithing. He has no idea how I needed to hear this. Thank you Jesus.

[@wlknonsonshine]

Well...he could have said more. The misuse & abuse of the 501c3 is beyond beyond.

[@friendoflife2416]

Yes- absolutely! All the visiting pastors are telling the congregation " you will get through this". They need to tell the members " You have been lied to and used ". They need to bust open the elder body and find some new men of God who will have the fear of the Lord and not be so willing to lie and hide just another double-talking pastor.

[@deniseellenburg649]

This man is an excellent speaker and communicator who has God's word imprinted upon his heart and the correct Biblical view concerning Morris and handling of the situation by the church he pastored. His actions absolutely disqualified him from serving as a pastor ever again.

[@deannadeason1850]

We need to be lead by Example This man is exactly that. Thank you🙏 May his hand always be upon you😇

[@carriemccurley-th8gn]

“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law-justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things." Matthew <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1403">23:23</a>

[@trulyso734]

Addressed to the prosperity focused /centred teachers right?

[@carriemccurley-th8gn]

@@trulyso734 Yes! 💯percent.

[@theresap3467]

Shudder! 😯

[@rachelabate2401]

Finally, a man, a preacher that fears God.

[@lynnwillis4332]

There is a level of arrogance in Morris like a have seen in few people. Knew this the first time i heard him peach.

[@mrnice111]

I went to gateway for a year or two and left but was never comfortable with Morris because of his arrogance and bullying. I did not realize he was a predator but I knew there was something twisted about the way he spoke of how immoral he was. I now realize he was just bragging.

[@boonieloo4792]

Yes!! Don’t keep it In-House!! So glad this Texas Pastor is being so open and HONEST!! As well as very logical!! John Paul Miller from Solid Rock sounds horrible like Robert Morris. Speak out people and hold your fellow church members responsible.

[@sophiewiseman5842]

God bless this man for his integrity and standing up for the truth. And for his respect and compassion towards victims of these terrible crimes.

[@standinhim777]

Really appreciate this pastor"s straightforwardness and righteous indignation about the way Gateway has handled this situation so poorly. "integrity is not hard to prove if you have integrity". No lament for this sad situation by church leadership. Thank you, Pastor, for speaking the truth and protecting the innocent, encouraging people to find a church that does not have heroes but a church that has a high view of God which means they have a high view of Scripture. This message is so encouraging to me and I hope to the Body of Christ ❤✝️

[@michelebreen1705]

So much truth in this interview 🔥🙌🔥

[@jessk5527]

I am a current member and am so sad… i read about the leave of absence- but, they are still on staff. My husband says we should make a clean break. I’m just broken and really mad. As a survivor of abuse im also very sad that this was hidden and lied about. I am so grateful you have come forward. Thank you Cindy for coming forward !!! I may so grateful for you !!!

[@ajackson1313]

So sorry for you and your abuse. I really enjoyed listing to him on KZbin. Loved his teaching. So now I question everything.

[@karlamariselabarth690]

It is about Jesus and not about the pastor!! Thank you for having the courage to speak.

[@theresap3467]

Finally, someone that says what needs to be said. Thank you for "speaking the truth in love." It is evident that his perspective is deeply rooted in scripture. And yes, if you know Anyone who has had this happen to them, call the police. Again, call the police, because it is the surest first step in healing. To Not call the police, tells the victim, "It's not really that bad, just deal with it." As long as adults around them hide the assault and don't call it what it is, they are protecting the sin and the sinner, not the victim. Blessings!👏

[@billygarcia2036]

Very Very well said 👏 👍👍

[@MiraclesandRecovery]

"Thank-You" for putting these feelings into words so I can understand my confusion of painful emotions

[@jenniferolson1035]

What an example of godly biblical leadership. I’m so glad to see this.

[@victoriacuddy]

This is a horrific sin Robert Morris has committed and what is so horrific is how he has treated his victim. This lady needs to be compensated monetarily for what Robert Morris has done‼️ He has minimized this wretched sin along with many in the church

[@GaryDeb7716]

How could you put a price tag on losing your innocence to someone you thought was a man of God? What’s it worth? Priceless. I am heartbroken over this especially because my granddaughters go to church at Gateway. I pray for all involved especially the victim and Robert Morris’ family. I’m sure they are all hurting 💔😢

[@thomasmedlin2881]

Robert Morris is a master manipulator.

[@pgcfriend]

His wife knew about it and stayed. This is a part of why folks are leaving these empires called churches. Too many coddle and protect these criminals, and blame their victims. So many nasty men like Morris are being exposed in Oklahoma almost weekly that are church leaders. After decades I have sadly concluded that the institutional church as a whole is unsafe for women and children.

[@victoriacuddy]

That is not how I met that at all😳‼️

[@drums3269]

For this reason, and because the church gets involved in politics, is why people turn away from religion. It's not even about the message of the Scriptures anymore.

[@trulyso734]

Yes, I may be wrong but have observed the worship of world affair politics is huge in America and like global churches. We should fix our eyes back on Lord Jesus Christ alone as our saviour deliverer in all things and that way, we wont find ourselves led to compromising our faith with all the not like minded others in the political field.

[@HappyPenguin75034]

That’s not why. Christ said why - they hate God. A called believer remains.

[@M58West]

Why shouldn’t Christian’s get involved in politics?

[@HappyPenguin75034]

@@M58West why? They are proclaiming they won’t lie. Politicians lie more than they breathe. A Christian desiring political roles is going to get blasted long before election. If someone says will they vote for biblical views - they have to say yes. They won’t say it.

[@suzifloren6090]

GOD bless this pastor. One in a million no doubt. Some are blessed with righteousness and some are tagged with bouts of temptation they find difficult to overcome.

[@Cher1924]

99% of churches preach the mandatory tithe. I have been a Christian for 42 years and have lived in many places and attended numerous churches and every single one preaches the tithe. I’m not a theologian but I know we are to give according to what is on our hearts and our income. It’s just that simple. Yet I have been shamed shunned and persecuted for this belief and I don’t care because I have peace with the Lord and I am free to give or not to give.

[@oztheberean]

These 99% churches teach this because 99% of us don’t read and study the scriptures for ourselves. Tithing is NOT a mandate and never was in the NT. It’s very plain if you actually stop and read uninterrupted.

[@elizabethcurylo6158]

@@ozthebereangive money those around you who are in need ! Jesus likes that ! We are giving to those expensive buildings that are empty during a week

[@darleneadams3807]

There is no guarantee of anything in life. God is not a slot machine for all good to come our way! We still need to have faith in God.

[@JosephMusonda-j3b]

Amen no preacher is telling me there curses to deal with in my life when Jesus dealt with that for me on the cross.

[@carriemccurley-th8gn]

There is no way all of the elders didn't know. They are not only ignorant and unwise in the scriptures, they are complicit in crime. True repentance leads to reconciliation which Robert and Cindy do not have. “But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning” I Timothy <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="320">5:20</a>

[@KansasMiss-mf4bj]

@@carriemccurley-th8gn Tom Lane knew because he responded to one of Cindy’s emails to Robert in 2005. Olen Griffey knew because he was the Pastor of Shady Grove Church who covered it up. Olen is an Apostolic Elder at Gateway.

[@MTknitter22]

I also find it hard to believe James Robison hires him, was helping rehab him yet never insisted on getting the whole story. It was the responsibility of those elder ministers to make sure they knew the WHOLE story.

[@KansasMiss-mf4bj]

@@MTknitter22 I agree with you. They are all trying to CYA.

[@starsalign9336]

@@KansasMiss-mf4bj is Olen Griffey still an elder at Gateway?

[@KansasMiss-mf4bj]

@@starsalign9336 Reportedly he is an Apostolic Elder at Gateway.

[@ilovebuyers]

Robert Morris need to confess publicly.

[@Monorail-Beyond-the-Veil]

Too little, too late.

[@ilovebuyers]

For the victims sake!

[@ftmb1022]

He said what needed to be said!!! Amen, I fully support this message!!!

[@Ruby-wise]

Thank You!,, Galatians 3..certainly backs up in statements..no more curse connected to the unbiblical tithe teachings. ,!

[@michelebarrell914]

Thank you for such clarity

[@ahi1526]

Thank you for speaking out. I haven’t been able to go back and I knew in my heart what you said was true without the proof . It is really helpful that you’ve spoken out.

[@sandraowen6783]

This is just disgusting that the lawyers of Robert Morris and his Church are blaming the 12 year old for HIS PREVERTED ACTIONS! It was also NOT a "moral failure" that makes it sound harmless! CALL IT WHAT IT IS SIN! DISGUSTING PERVERT! He should be LOCKED UP!

[@guadalupeeg5034]

They say they didn't have an idea, and yet, Gateway Church has settled other cases of abuse, and offered Cindy fifty percent of her claim and an NDA.

[@martaaltheide5146]

Those that put their trusting man, are cursed. Trusting Him alone. That’s why the church as a whole is as it is. God does not dwell in buildings, He dwells in us. His Good And Perfect Will be done.

[@tonyhinrichs3565]

There are no more curses for saved Christians.

[@nword5999]

It's righteous to give good counsel to the faithful, and speak to the world on this topic honestly on what your experience was in attending and serving this church. You will gain enemies, no doubt.... but it is the honorable course. Thank you for the courage and witness.

[@twig1960]

The last two minutes of this are GOLD ❤

[@holylandfan3275]

He said victims. Plural. If I’m not mistaken, Cindy mentioned a sister in a quick sentence in an interview. I wonder if her sister was so assaulted? But, I think they may be aware of someone else (whoever it is), that hasn’t come forward yet. So sad. 😞

[@charlesm.butler1015]

I just got through listening to your interview and I would like to thank you for your transparency and vulnerability. I am so glad that God led you back into the pastorate because we need men like you who expound the Word and have integrity. As I am still pastoring in my 80's my desire is to finish well.

[@nicollecampbell]

Thank you for your honesty

[@johngatsby1473]

Its played out people. The man made a HUGE mistake against a child MANY years back. He got his punishment and repented to God. God has forgiven him but for some reason MAN CAN'T. Let me say a few things.... Forgive those who trespass against us. According to the Bible, Jesus says in Matthew <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="374">6:14</a>-15 that if you forgive others their sins, God will also forgive you: "If you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you" Go ahead folks...cast that stone....im sure youve been perfect ALL YOUR LIFE.

[@linalesia5188]

Its not often you hear a Pastor talking about tithing the way this Pastor does. So many Christians are guilted into giving money to church. We are not talking about the mandated 10% here; we mean those envelopes that are collected at every Sunday service. How are they different to the sale of indulgences in the Catholic Church in middle ages? We all know what all that led to in the history of the church.

[@oztheberean]

The tithe is not mandated either, so it’s even worse. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@wlknonsonshine]

Is it not concerning that he didn't have a problem with the amount of money the church is raking in? Do you understand how all of this affects the community?

[@christinepaulson3779]

Praise God for the integrity of this Pastor being interviewed and choosing to come forth in truth for the victim and the church as a body of Christ! Mark <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="261">4:21</a>-25, ….”Is a lamp brought to be put under a basket or under a bed? Is it not to be set on a lampstand? For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.” Then He(Jesus) said to them, “Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.”

[@dhenxxii6504]

“JESUS is our greatest blessing”

[@BoostMobile-t2g]

I love what this man is saying. The Bible says those that are lead by the spirit are the sons of God. People listen to your spirit before doing things.

[@margiehankins-jerde6094]

This Pastor is a real Christian. He is absolutely right in what the prosperity churches preaching. And this person sleeping around. Wow.

[@fatumataholloway4897]

This pastor is a true Christian. He loves Jehovah.and his son Jesus. Thank you my brother; Keep speaking out. America is with you

[@babe101103]

I don't understand this. When a fellow brother is in peril, their Christian brothers just abandoned him. No council, no words of encouragement; just complete excommunication, this is not the way how Jesus would handle any situation. Jesus taught us to have mercy towards each other and forgiveness.

[@robertherrera1234]

Tell us you don’t read the Bible without saying you don’t read the Bible!

[@Billvardy]

You are absolutely spot on. This pastor should’ve been one of the first to reach out to Pastor Morris. While in Gods service Pastor Morris helped many people come to Christ and many return to Him. I won’t go through the list. while He served, God blessed him with the ability to touch others. Now that He has stepped down some pastors have abandoned him as has some of the church leadership. I certainly don’t call this Christian love or the example of Christlike love.

[@Billvardy]

@@robertherrera1234- explain ?

[@Landis_Grant]

I always had discomfort with Robert Morris.

[@nooneinparticular1685]

I agree. Went to gateway as a preteen and in my early teens attending regular Sunday service and something always felt off to me there.. Never felt like home like other churches have.

[@maryeconomou6573]

God bless you for the truth.

[@julesadames1179]

I would love to go to this pastors church. He has said several times, The Bible is clear, he has a strong conviction for the truth. God bless him. Thank you for speaking out.

[@aprayerawaywpastorshon9429]

Thankful for someone making a stand for Righteousness and Holiness according to scripture!

[@kimtonearts]

Thank-you, Brother Stephen, you've helped redeem my faith in Pastors. 💫🕊️

[@Doug-f8w]

LeBlanc should tell you why he left the church in Amarillo, he didn't leave on his own he was asked to leave. He never should have been the senior pastor there

[@Monorail-Beyond-the-Veil]

Please tell me more. From what I understand, neither Robert Morris OR STEPHEN LEBLANC should have ever been pastors.

[@Monorail-Beyond-the-Veil]

@@zanelatta1451 You're the 2nd person to mention him pulling a you-know-what on a youth worker. Now I want to know the whole story. I met him when I attended Shady Grove - and all I remember was how rude he was.

[@stephanieallangarman5598]

@@Monorail-Beyond-the-VeilGOSSIP and BACK BITING 🤷🏻‍♀️🤐

[@Monorail-Beyond-the-Veil]

@@zanelatta1451 But why was he fired from the church in Amarillo? 🤔

[@turquoisemama33]

Yes, Thank you for such an excellent interview.

[@fitrunner1317]

God bless him for speaking and telling the truth, the biblical truth. And for speaking out.

[@Chuck-es8ix]

How do you know it is truth

[@suzannemiller6028]

Thank you Pastor Stephen for your honesty and sincerity. Thank you for standing up for Truth.

[@SherriNDallasTX]

Wfaa so glad you are continuing to give this story coverage and give us new updates. Thank you❣️WFAA what is date this interview was done? I'm only seeing date posted on KZbin

[@carolthornton5519]

This was done July 3rd. I attend Sherman Bible and Steve is our pastor. We are blessed to have him shepherd this congregation.

[@SherriNDallasTX]

@@carolthornton5519 thanks so much! It's longer ago than I thought. Really wish posters would always include interview dates in the reading or at the least, the description. Praying for your pastor and his family!

[@belindadixon7861]

Thank God for a man that will stand on Gods word. And thank God that as you grow in the Word you learn when a teacher is false.

[@user-hk8gp7ui6s]

Thank you for sharing this.

[@jeffhoneycutt18]

God's Word IS the Final Authority, Not the Police, Not the Government, Not Pastors, Leaders, or even Presidents. God's Word does not change for ANYONE!