What a MESS - Ryzen 7000 Laptops Aren't What You Think

[@TabalugaDragon]

You should also mention Nvidia's scam. They pretty much fully brought back M GPUs to laptops without bringing back the laptop name. Now, if I want a **70 class GPU laptop I need to buy a 4080m one, and it's ONLY installed in premium models, whereas you could get a 3070m(less cores but still based on desktop 3070) in budget laptops like Asus TUF, Nitro 5, HP Omen and Legion 5\5 pro. I hate Nvidia, and honestly so should everybody.

[@zzzzsssz]

amds worse they provide terrible value cpus and gpus

[@miyagiryota9238]

Agree nvidias terrible overpriced

[@maximus3294]

@@zzzzsssz blanket statements are never a good idea. rdna2 GPUs, especially in the lower to mid-range, are a much better value, and in my opinion the best values for just gaming overall. rdna3 is definitely in a bit of a rough patch. as for Ryzen: the original zen 4 CPUs are a tough sell to be sure. Platform costs are real. Considering the new models that are coming out nowadays, though, that could very well change. the non-x models are already a better value. nowadays am4 is a pretty good value too with the likes of the 5600 or 5800X3D

[@mikeymaiku]

@@maximus3294 im sorry i didnt know the bang for buck market was a mess You got anything new for the last 10 years of pc development?

[@animemerbd2113]

Thing is, nvidia in all their shittyness still provides better reliability for those who use their cards, especially in the editing field, they have(or at least had) much better drivers than AMD and definitely intel, so people like me, who are casual gamers but also does editing works, nvidia is usually the inevitable choice, for the simple 'even if it is overpriced it will still work' logic I'm not up to date with tech news though so I'm not sure if AMD drivers are still as bad as 3 years ago when I built my pc, but I hope that both AMD and intel gets their drivers sorted out, Nvidia does deserve an awakening after all

[@ChrisM243]

I am really curious about the performance of these 12 CU of the 7040 series iGPU. I hope we might see some great improvements there.

[@vmafarah9473]

just above gtx1060 performance expected with a faster RAM.

[@ChrisM243]

@@vmafarah9473 More than enough for some light 1080p gaming or Indie-titles.

[@vmafarah9473]

@@ChrisM243 680m igpu with faster ram when raytracing set to high in spiderman is faster than laptop 3050. I dont know why?

[@markpeene4757]

I read there will be 7500mhz lpddr5x ram availble for the 7940hs variant with 12 cu at 3000mhz so that seems really good for the igpu performance

[@azraeihalim]

@@ChrisM243 Vega igpu in R7 5700u already can do that.

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

I’m fine with the naming scheme, for example you don’t know the R7 5700U is zen2 despite being branded as 5000 series. However, I know computers well, and for someone who doesn’t this looks like a death trap

[@prozoomy]

Agreed but it's still a mess..

[@racerex340]

I think people need to put the last few years into perspective. The pandemic caused an enormous explosion in client computing needs, desktops, laptops, PC gaming industry practically tripled in less than a year, combining that with manufacturing and availability issues, and you had a recipe for serious trouble. At the same time, AMD managed to finally surpass Intel in many areas of performance and efficiency, partly due to Intel's incompetence, but more impactful was TSMC's continued process node improvements coupled with AMD betting on chiplet technology. The chiplet CPU architecture is both the reason why AMD was able to destroy Intel on price while still remaining very profitable, yet also be their Achilles heel. AMD's decision to basically focus on a single 8-core core complex chip per Zen evolution across their entire consumer and datacenter product line (excluding zen4c), when you combine that with the fact that TSMC can only make so many of these chiplets, the fact that their Epyc datacenter chips carry much higher profit margins for those same components, and finally the fact that AMD now has to share TSMC processes node manufacturing capacity with Intel, Nvidia, Apple and others, it was always going to create a bottleneck. With only one source for any Zen 4 CCX's across those product lines, they don't have enough to fill out an entire portfolio stack, at least not without leveraging TSMC's previous process node manufacturing capacity. When TSMC launches a new production process node, it's not like they phase out the previous node, those factories and manufacturing production lines are still fully functional and have honestly just begun to enter their most profitable manufacturing phase, as yields max out, and it's not like there is a shortage of customers looking for 7nm, even 10nm products, new process node wafers are produced on entirely new and standalone production lines. So, AMD, rather than cannibalizing their high margin 4nm and 5nm datacenter stock just to flesh out mid-range and entry level products, they're using the previous Gen Zen node capacity to get products into those price points. Trust me, if TSMC could supply more Zen4 CCX's, I'm sure AMD would prefer having more current Gen Zen in their current offerings. TSMC also needs to be cautious, it would be a huge mistake to invest in 10 additional fab factories only to have demand collapse, they'd much prefer always having to turn away half of potential buyers while increasing prices (profits) than end up with excess unused capacity. So, to summarize, Zen chiplet architecture of nearly every using ryzen and Epyc processor using the same 8-core CCX was genius, as was betting on TSMC, growing their business by 10X in 8 years, but now they're competing for limited TSMC production capacity with their primary competition, so they're forced to be creative to fill out their portfolio. It sucks, but nothing we can do, alternative is to just not launch new products in those segments and watch Intel capture all that revenue.

[@samgoff5289]

@@racerex340dude if you want to write a book don't do it in the comments nobody is going to read that jfc

[@racerex340]

@@samgoff5289 I sometimes forget that anything more than 15-20 words intimidates some of you. Next time, I'll keep it super Dr Seuss level, just for you, I'll use small words, lots of pictures and emojis. 💩 🧠 Maybe stay out of the comment section of tech KZbin videos, KZbin kids might be more your speed.

[@racerex340]

@Silver Joystix dude, you weren't forced to read anything, KZbin only shows the first 5 lines of a comment, if you didn't want to read anything longer than a few words, why the hell did you click "read more"? I've been in enterprise IT for 25 years, I can't help but to be verbose, detailed and articulate. Someday you'll grow up and likely be required to communicate in full sentences too.

[@burtonyan8467]

I'm excited about the 7040 chip. Hoping to get a laptop with that this year if it's available with the right spec.

[@arx117]

I more excited with 7740u

[@ravenclawgamer6367]

Just hold on for the second half of this year for Intel's Meteor Lake chips. Intel Altera is the industry leader in FPGA tech far outperforming anything from Xilinx. Moreover, 14th gen is supposed to be a another significant architectural overhaul.

[@theexile4694]

@@arx117 There is no AMD 7740U APU.

[@skshandilyamari]

Good that I picked up a zenbook with a 6800U. It is definitely a great buy. I am extremely happy with this .

[@snajperSLO]

Don't think I saw any other laptop (in stock or available) with the 6000 series than the Zenbook or Vivobook around here... It's still a nice piece of HW, have fun using it... I went with the Vivobook (5000 series) with dGPU for Photoediting... It's just a fat Zenbook without the premium design :)

[@zeustasskeifel6980]

Same bro. Just bought it yesterday and Im happy I did

[@arx117]

@@snajperSLO in my country only Asus, HP and Lenovo has AMD chips. Lenovo is low quality, Asus is overprice but HP is good price.

[@snajperSLO]

@@arx117 I went with an ASUS for 830€ (5800H, 16GB, 3050 and 14* OLED) Did not find anythink close for that price…

[@uhohwhy]

hobo

[@samal90]

Kind of sad that by the time these become widely available (late summer 2023), we'll start to talk about the Ryzen 8000 series and Strix point APU.

[@mc_sim]

You are wrong - they are still not widely available. 😂

[@jaidenshutt705]

@@mc_simpain

[@theexile4694]

The 8000 series are just a refresh of the 7000 series. So just save yourself some money and go with 7000 series parts.

[@rurutuM]

this makes it easy for consumers. just find models with 4 in the 3rd number. don't even look at anything else

[@samgoff5289]

Yea that is not easy and a stupid way to name things..goodluck trying to search online without being able to sort the list by the third number in the name

[@MyLeoOne]

I like the fact they add the Zen generation in the name. I also like they change numbers based on the year so you can tell how old the actual laptop is. I assume they improve the older processes and generations. Before I would have had to search the laptop's model number to know when it was launched. This way it's easier to weed out old designs when helping people shop

[@PMARC14]

For unsavvy people despite architecture confusion, it makes more sense, bigger numbers in every column is a better laptop cpu simple, if still a bit confusing based on order. For someone savy or willing to quickly search up it is pretty quick to get. And weird configs probably won't come up anyway

[@Safetytrousers]

You need a chart to work out the code. Buying something shouldn't involve solving a puzzle.

[@OverruledDood]

@@Safetytrousers Buying electronics should always involve research unless you have zero respect for your money.

[@Safetytrousers]

@@OverruledDood Laptops, especially cheaper ones are much more likely to be bought by naive people than PC components are. My first laptop was bought not knowing what CPU was in it.

[@Nersius]

New naming scheme is excellent if you know the convention, horrendous at a glance.

[@tianmul8134]

If you are wondering how 7600M XT is the same thing as 7700S, you can check 6600M and 6700S.

[@anhiirr]

XD sort of like the x580 and 5500XT its an AMD ting.

[@outcast6187]

3:50 I actually like the naming scheme, you can get a fairly accurate idea of what you are getting if you know what to look for in a single number, and the longer and more detailed the processor model number is the easier you can Google it and find out more specific specs... MOST laptop buyers are business people who just email all day or grade schoolers, they have no idea and don't really care what they buy, but now the option is there to know exactly what you are getting in a single model number string for those who actually truly care. Great job explaining it BTW.👍

[@Goodmanperson55]

This is actually a fair take on it. It's always been a balance of creating a scheme that is easy read and one that shows as much info as possible. But I do think AMD really dropped the ball on this one because the main problem comes from them having to cram all of these Zen generations onto a single 7000 series.

[@green_block]

Zen2 competed with 9th gen Intel. After looking at AMD’s marketing, if Intel tries to rebrand their 9th gen i7 chips as 13970 or something like that there would be riots in the online spheres. Every single KZbin channels will be calling out the shenanigans. But now since it is AMD, most people are fine with it.

[@TurboManTom]

You're acting like this is way more complicated than it actually is

[@fish3010]

++ people complain for the most useless things. At least the naming scheme is straight forward.

[@TKOgamer]

I'm okay with the naming if they don't start changing it again right away. We already had an issue where people were buying laptops thinking 2000, and 3000 laptops were using the same chips as the desktop 2000 and 3000. I do hope they put more effort into clarifying which generation is being used tho. If Zen 3 laptops are priced well due to the increased supply from moving focus away from Milan based Epyc chips along with the maturing 7nm and 6nm, I hope it would lead to a better market. Would love to have access to Zen 4 laptops, but I'm sure they'll cost an arm and a leg. At the same price, definitely Zen 4, but if it means saving several hundred dollars, Zen 3 seems like the better option. Shame though since Zen 4 seems like a beast in Laptops.

[@chrisvanhorn]

Your sponsor spot for the Fractal Ridge mentions the case includes a PCIE Gen 4.0 riser cable, but that is no longer the case. They changed the published specifications to say 3.0.

[@FreediiFree]

To AMD's credit, while the naming scheme is new and will cause confusion at the start, the information is written out so that if you know what you're looking for you can immediately see what kind of AMD processor is inside. This is assuming the old and rebranded chips have been optimized to work well on modern hardware and AMD isn't increasing the prices simply because it has a 7 at the front of the name (i know, wishful thinking there). There are folks who want a bare bones PC for simple tasks. I figure old processors are better in a purchased laptop than stuck in a warehouse never to see the light of day.

[@epmcgee]

Yeah, if you'd taken a look at the information AMD released this video doesn't tell you anything new.

[@ABaumstumpf]

"This is assuming the old and rebranded chips have been optimized" Yeah no. It is the old architecture - even Zen2.

[@jeffersonmp4]

You should expect the opposite. They will not be optimized and of course will be more expensive just because it has a 7 in the name

[@stevejo5300]

@@ABaumstumpf nope, it is optimized. Here in Indonesia, there were some tech reviews that review the new 7020 series and surprisingly it's a min. 15% faster on Cinebench and Geekbench compared to the 4000 series which also Zen 2.

[@erkinalp]

Not rebranded, but more like the bad bin with new instructions not performing well.

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

I’m really hoping for a RYZEN 7 7840U in the next GPD Win4 handheld gaming pc for Christmas 2023.

[@JBrinx18]

The naming for AMD CPUs I think is actually a little better than before. It's very much not obvious that odd numbered CPUs 5700u vs 5800u were using last gen architecture. The third number being 4 for Zen 4 makes more sense, but perhaps it should have been the second number? I think availability is much more concerning. I definitely want a Phoenix laptop with 1060-1070 like integrated performance, but it seems like it'll be very hard to obtain. I also am somewhat worried about RDNA 3. It's clear they didn't expect the architecture to fall so short in efficiency and performance

[@KellyWu04]

I’ll prefer architecture as the first number since I’m not sure what the year has go to do with anything.

[@Vengir]

They couldn't use the second digit, because then the series would only top out at 7495. To customers well familiar with the "third digit from the end is very important" rule it would not look very appealing next to Intel's 12500 and up.

[@green_block]

Zen2 competed with 9th gen Intel. After looking at AMD’s marketing, if Intel tries to rebrand their 9th gen i7 chips as 13970 or something like that there would be riots in the online spheres. Every single KZbin channels will be calling out the shenanigans. But now since it is AMD, most people are fine with it.

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

the zephyrus duo 16 looks like a perfect mobile workstation laptop. 16 cores and 2 screens. Holy crap there it is, my next laptop. Nice suggestion.

[@jimatperfromix2759]

I agree, I think that will sell well if they don't overprice it.

[@Kamaldhillon81]

The 4nm chips ex. 7640HS can do 4K at 240 Hz , thats crazy amount of GPU power.(regular use framerate, not gaming)

[@SnoozinFox]

I like AMD's new naming system. Each number has a meaning, unlike Nvidia and Intel where it's all arbitrary. As long as I can show a customer a graph to explain the names, then I'm happy.

[@samgoff5289]

🙄

[@baoquoc3710]

Sounds like someone hate the duo so much that willing to praise the others bullshit is better?

[@johnnyxp64]

The 7xxx series has a naming code you can understand what is what. Intel is mixing up the numbers to confuse buyers and nvidia scams with watt and not M badge. AMD Ryzen laptops have only 1 negative imho. Availability! We need way more companies don't make enough.

[@DigitalJedi]

This naming scheme feels like a way to shove older designs into new names. Some of these chips should have been named like refreshes of their actual generations. So, a 7x20U chip could probably just be a 4x50 or 5x50 instead, and a 7x35 feels like a 6x50 or 6x70.

[@zihechen3111]

Those chip will go to customers hand. It’s basically amd telling u if ur not smart and don’t do enough studies, prepare to get fked😅

[@fissavids8767]

I almost bought one until I finally figured out what i was buying was a 5000 zen 3 refresh. I feel very home in desktop chips but trying to figure out the mobile market is very very hard. It's like nobody cares about mobile chips. Intel's naming scheme is just as bad honestly

[@user-hi9yx2ns1l]

Ir would be good if they use the last number for the iGPU instead of useless "feature isolation", ie: 0 for Vgea, 1 for RDNA2 and 2 for RNDA3. I would rather get a Zen2+RDNA3 compared to a Zen4+Vega for an UltraBook or Tablet. Gaming Laptop can go Zen4+Vega cos there will be a dGPU anyway.

[@StaySic4Ever]

As if mobile parts names from all brands cpu/gpu isn't a mess in general though. Not just namings even but also cores/clocks and TDPs too. So some general research always good to do no matter if you're tech savvy or not. It will also matter how they all stack perf/effi/price wise. So if it's really well and reflects gens good, ok then, on the other hand just get latest gen. Personally I'd like to see a 3D-cache SKU though. Probably along with higher dGPUs range later.

[@davidgunther8428]

The Zen 2 7020 series are NEW 6nm designs, not rebranded older chips. It could be overwhelming, but the name does tell you exactly what a CPU is.

[@stevejo5300]

yup, here in indonesia, it shows improvement on performance, efficiency, and battery life compared to the 'same' Zen 2 4000 series.

[@JingSkyJoker]

I am also waiting for 7840U as capable allrounder and power efficient CPU for laptop. I hope they had their product in mid 2023. The new Amd number scheme is better when comparing to old scheme for me. As they have generation indicator, I don't need to remember or find spec in wiki too much.

[@Matthew-dp3hf]

It would be really cool, but you can't even find 6000U laptops right now. I think the reality is that 7000U is not going to be a thing for a while, maybe even as late as 2024.

[@ohwow2074]

I'm actually going to find and get a laptop with 7035U which has 8 Zen3+ cores plus 3.3 TFLOPS of GPU power. It's pretty decent.

[@atom4He]

We all look carefully at number 3 and do not buy the old crap amd will be punished with money.

[@daviddouillet4138]

Just got a 6800H+680M thin laptop so I am not in the market. But the lower end chips looks powerful enough and efficient enough for students or office workers.

[@ricardorocha4436]

AMD Phoenix and Dragon Range will be the best laptops CPUs this year. But is the fact that will be so hard to find one is a great shame.

[@double0cinco795]

I like the new naming scheme, where the architecture is explicitly in the name. All companies have had different architectures used within the same generation before (except maybe Intel? But they are also kings of long confusing names). If they keep this scheme up, it will be nice knowing the architecture just by the name.

[@MsMonster128]

13400/(f) and i3s desktop are going to be based on alder lake and not raptor lake

[@Jimster481]

Intel literally has 2 architectures on 13th Gen chips right now. Some chips are still alder lake and others are raptor lake. They have done it several times.

[@arx117]

For me I prefer more easier name to remember They should rename it like this 7450 7 = year generation 4 = zen generation 3 = Ryzen family 0 = stock speed U = Ultrabook

[@Jimster481]

@@arx117 that's a better naming scheme tbh

[@MurdahBassRecords]

Yeah i dont get why this dude so burnt over this. I dont give a fuck. If i want the best cpu i just google (top 3 gaming cpu benchmarks) then i pick one. I just got an alienware m18 with a 7945hx. It was 400 dollars cdn cheaper than the i9 13980hx, and it was on sale for 200 bucks cheaper as well and is better than the intel chip accept the i9 beats it by 13% in single core. 🤷‍♂️ i wanted the intel at first but couldnt justify the cost. Not a fanboy. I just like good shit for a good deal. Ill buy amd or intel. Idgaf

[@pauljohnsonbringbackdislik1469]

I get that consumers (and audience) is confused when there are too many options. Unlike with Intel where i3/5/7/9 are roughly telling us what to expect from the laptop. But if we are being honest... it is never enough. Every laptop has to go trough benchmarks and WE need channels like @JarrodsTech or @LinusTechTips. Shittin' on naming scheme adjustments... In the laptop domain it makes less and less sense.

[@siyzerix]

Except they kinda don't call out nvidia's and amd's laptop gpu BS as much? The rx6800m is not based off a rx6800. So thats a BS name right there. Nvidia now not putting high end desktop gpu's in laptops is just BS again.

[@cornpowder4425]

Your reporting is my favorite among the Canucks. Thanks for clearing up some of the mud and helping us understand the laptop market a bit more.

[@NinjAsylum]

I really dont understand what is so difficult to understand about AMD's naming scheme. It seems pretty straight forward and extremely simple. There's nothing complicated about it.

[@samgoff5289]

So you find it easy to understand but can't figure out why it would be confusing to people especially those who don't follow tech 🤔

[@willgart1]

the name must be improved. in fact we have to read these numbers in the reverse order... 7945HX = HX5497 higher performance tier for a 16 core zen 4 cpu in 2023.

[@NootNoot.]

It could be worse... like how the 5500U and 5700U were the 4600U and 4800U respectively (Zen 2 v s Zen 3) or how in desktop currently some Intel 13th Gen lineup have 12th Gen parts (AMD also has this with mobile chips in desktop cpus). Confusing naming scheme, although at least it's presented to you and you don't have to dig into the spec sheet (finding architecture or cache count)... just the naming scheme doc lol.

[@beigebox1990]

If they want to reuse old chips, it would have been simpler to just say: up to 4c/8t: Zen 2 (Mendocino) | 6c/12t: Zen 3(+) | 8c/16t (ULV): Zen 3+ | HS and HX series: Zen 4.

[@NeblogaiLT]

Different sockets require different laptop models, so with the scheme you propose, AMD could not offer much variation of chips in the same laptop model. Mendocino is FT6, Rembrandt Zen3+ is FP7, Phoenix can be FP7, FP7 R2 and FP8, while Dragon Range HX series is FL1.

[@atranimecs]

Hopefully this will drop the 680M laptops, been waiting for them to drop in price.

[@nrgamingtech2797]

In terms of naming, at least AMD will follow a pattern and they provide the codex for it. Meanwhile at intel, how tf is an i5 11300H a 4 core and the i5 11260H a much faster 6 core, and they all launch with 4 digit units like 1135G7 for example

[@stevejo5300]

yup, and he's go away pretending it's 'fine'😂

[@Xaluber]

I actually don’t find this confusing at all. It’s kind of refreshing to see exactly what you’re getting spelled out in the model number. Before you didn’t have an easy way to know what architecture you were getting (ex 5700u vs 5800u).

[@emlyndewar]

It’s only useful for people who are heavily invested in the tech space. For Joe Average, it’s a disgrace of a naming scheme.

[@Xaluber]

@@emlyndewar The average Joe doesn’t have a clue what any of the model numbers mean regardless, so that’s irrelevant.

[@perrytilton5221]

Wish I saw this before 3 days ago when I purchased a laptop running a 7735HS. The naming is a stupid way of literally throwing old chips into new computers. I don't delve in the computer realm very often, but last I checked in the 6k and older chipsets the higher the number is better, and always ment the latest generation; no matrixes to tell me what bingo cells means what performance. I am rather pissed I bought a Zen 3+ chip rather than a Zen 4.

[@gustersongusterson4120]

The consumer electronics industry is expected to have severely diminished demand in the third and fourth quarter. Lower availability is the only thing that they can do to keep prices close to MSRP and avoid the other issues low demand would entail.

[@deadinside777]

AMD has always done this. Shoving in older gen chips into their newer laptop lines. One of the reasons I have always been ambivalent about getting an AMD powered laptop.

[@silv3rArrow]

When I got mine I had to wait and wait for reviews on benchmarking etc. No point "pre-ordering" machines like this without seeing actual numbers.

[@kevinguise5024]

Good video. My first time watching you and I was really surprised by your voice. It's an amazing radio voice, which has ASMR qualities to it, and you are so well spoken. I wouldn't be surprised if you do voice over work. Really enjoyed the info about the AMD graphics chips. I didn't know they were rebranding old chips to basically deceive buyers. You would think consumer protection agencies would be on top of these types of shenanigan's.

[@handlemonium]

I'm really interested in seeing how the current G14 6900HS + 6800S model stacks up against a 7940HS + 4060/4070 Mobile. Cuz if the MSRP of the 2022 model gets cut in half with 70% the graphics grunt then I might as well get that 😏

[@tams805]

Sorry, but I don't agree at all. The naming scheme is fine enough, while keeping a lot of detail in it (and therefore being honest). And there's nothing wrong with using older architectures in there as long as they are clearly demarked (which they are having their own number in the product name). The older architectures are also used for SKUs that most buyers won't care about the architecture for. And the 7045 series have a gen older iGPU is fine considering they are designed for laptops that will have powerful dGPUs.

[@commanderoof4578]

This has been know for 2 years at this point If it was going to be changed it would have been The naming scheme makes it without a doubt the easiest way to know exactly what you are getting And if your smart enough then in a few years after a few generations of this naming scheme, the smarter people among the tech world will be able to get more performance or identical performance for the same price Reason being 2 iterations of essentially the same CPU can exist at once with the only difference between manufacturing year and or iGPU generation And if you dont use the iGPU then you can get a better CPU side chip and use the dGPU

[@tony.cortez]

This is similar to 5800u and 5700u, I was about to buy the 5700u thinking that it is great that its new new. Then did some research, found out it is like a rename of the 4000 version.

[@NeblogaiLT]

It is not just a rename of the 4000 version. Among the differences is improved battery life for the Lucienne (5700U/5500U/5300U), and better SKUs (for example, 5300U is 4c8t + @1.5Ghz, compared to much weaker 4300U 4c/4t + 5CU@1.4Ghz). Also, there is only a slight performance difference in U-series Zen2 vs Zen3 in single-threaded tasks, and no difference in multithreaded. The whole Zen2 vs Zen3 issue in U-series is hugely overblown, and Lucienne there was a good choice.

[@emlyndewar]

It wasn’t a good choice. AMD could have literally put a non-functioning piece of human excrement in the CPU slot, and you’d still have fans defend the decision in KZbin comments. It’s laughable how marketing teams have managed to mold the perfect fanbase so easily.

[@tony.cortez]

@@emlyndewar huh? I’m also using m1 pro 14” MBP. Not a fan, I’m just here to say my opinion.

[@SyntacticSyntax_]

@@emlyndewar dudes you sound like you own userbenchmark that make it like his family got killed by AMDrones as he calls it. Did they got yours too? Fanboying any company is bad regardless. Your pure hatred seems like you fanboy the other "company". That's the thing that makes you laughable even more.

[@NeblogaiLT]

@@emlyndewar All I can say after reading your comment, is that you know little about tech, as if you did, and wanted to prove me wrong, you would have put up comprehensive benchmarks. Instead, you are fooled by something as unimportant as words 'Zen3 vs Zen2'.

[@engineering_guy]

Dimitrys creativity in ad spots is the only reason why I don't skip over your ads...man..that guy just goes over and above...so ridge!!

[@ConsciousSonder]

Looks like the AMD cpu versions of Lenovo’s legion line up are out. With Nvidia graphics only so far. Alienware is starting to ship all Amd systems though.

[@theBartSimpson]

I am thinking of getting Legion Pro 5 with Ryzen7 7745HX and rtx4060. Still very unsure about getting AMD when comparing to the Pro 5i Intel variant with i7-13700HX/rtx4060 which costs about $140 more at my location.

[@ConsciousSonder]

@@theBartSimpson I just returned mine. Not because it wasn’t a great laptop, just because I didn’t have the time to use it. Lenovo is great. If you buy one, you have thirty days to change your mind and send it back for free, and no restocking fees either. I’d say go with the Pro 5 and if you don’t like it, send it back.

[@theBartSimpson]

@@ConsciousSonder Thanks for the honest advice brother! I really appreciate it! I am a software developer and I require a decent machine for my personal projects and learning and also occasional gaming. Honestly, I do not require necessarily a quite high end one but a bit future safe machine doesn't hurt considering how inefficient the newer Windows OSs and other tools are. MSVisual Studio pushes my current i5 11th gen upto 100%CPU utilisation. A good GPU also allows to play games at higher settings. Legion checks all: -good build quality -future proof configuration -minimal design tone The components are top notch with no compromises such as the Qhd screen, great keyboard, Intel WiFi card, faster 16gb ddr5 5200MHz Ram, 1080 webcam, 3 years warranty by default and extended Accidental cover at extra $35. At the same time, the other brands may provide good specs at lower price but there is always a catch. Either the screen quality is not upto the mark or the rams are slower or the WiFi card isn't the cast Intel one. So it looks like that the higher price of Legion is somewhere justified. My only confusion was that whether the AMD R7 7745HX processor be good enough for next 5 years as there are cheaper options offering Intel i7-13700HX, which certainly is more powerful and the rebranded previous gen's flagship 12900 but thinking of skipping it as I might not be able to utilise its full potential and rather go with 7745HX that also looks like a good enough, powerful processor.

[@mat_max]

I can already see oems pairing the 7645hx with only 3060, 3050s and 6500xts

[@yogiwp_]

Naming scheme makes sense, but maybe I'd swap segment and arch. It's just a coded name, what's so confusing about it. You get the full information by decoding 4 numbers + a couple of letters, this is good. Hoping more companies to follow. As an engineer I label things in similar way, just come up with a rule and stick with it.

[@Safetytrousers]

You need a chart to work out the code. Buying something shouldn't involve solving a puzzle.

[@yogiwp_]

​@@Safetytrousers Why do you need a chart, the numbers have all the info: - _ _ 4 _ = Zen 4 - _ 7 _ _ = Ryzen 7 - _ _ _ 0 = base model What could be simpler than this? With previous naming like 5700U & 5800U you won't know that one is Zen 2 while the other is Zen 3 without looking up or memorizing.

[@Safetytrousers]

@@yogiwp_ The way you said it makes it sound complicated. I've been on AMD since the 1700x, but I get confused what Zen number means what gen. And what does base model mean? Heaven knows what someone who doesn't watch a PC tech video almost every day like I do is meant to think of it.

[@Safetytrousers]

@@yogiwp_ Zen 4 is 7, so simple and clear!

[@stevejo5300]

@@Safetytrousers that's not clear for most of consumers. If you look at the past, AMD has their 5000 series divided by Zen 2 and Zen 3 arch. It's not hard to remember the 3rd number as the arch identifier (before this, the 3rd number is kinda useless) and also it isn't a rebranded chip, because now it has a new process node (6nm instead of 7nm) and a new memory controller (DDR5), so you can't just say it's "rebranded" chip.

[@flemlion13]

At least you don't have to google anymore to know the the architecture, like between Zen 2 and Zen 3

[@i0001w]

IT is not confusing, it is very detailed. Intel they sell you the same with new branding and Hi max watt.

[@green_block]

Zen2 competed with 9th gen Intel. After looking at AMD’s marketing, if Intel tries to rebrand their 9th gen i7 chips as 13970 or something like that there would be riots in the online spheres. Every single KZbin channels will be calling out the shenanigans. But now since it is AMD, most people are fine with it.

[@siyzerix]

Indeed. the hypocrisy is real

[@spookyskellyskeleton609]

@@siyzerix you have autism don't you, isn't 13500 and below all rebrands of 12th gen lmfao

[@siyzerix]

@@spookyskellyskeleton609 And the idiot seems to miss the point. While its known intel's using 12th gen. Hardly anyone knows amd is going all the way down to zen 2 for their so called ryzen 7000 mobile cpu's.

[@spookyskellyskeleton609]

@@siyzerix and the semen waste seems to miss the point,zen2 is still capable and amd isn't that dumb .They will price it cheaper much cheaper

[@spookyskellyskeleton609]

@@siyzerix keep scking and coping you closet gay🤡🤡😂😂

[@cds5067]

Data Center gigachads carrying the entire pc industry

[@Stevenx01]

I disagree on the CPU naming scheme. The current situation is pretty messy: for example, In the same Ryzen 5000 series there are two very different architectures mixed altogether. Portfolio model year Well, starting with 7 and associating with 2023 is not the best, but I appreciate that every year that number will go up to better understand the production year. 4/5 Market segment I don't understand why occupy 4, 6 and 8 slots when there's no real item there. Just leave it empty for further models! But still, it's easier to understand its segment capability. 4/5 Architecture Well, there's no room for intermediate architectures, maybe they'll discontinue them, but that's a big plus. It's very hard for a customer understand the difference between a Ryzen 5 5500U and a 5600U. Now it will be easier to spot the most important number of the name. 5/5 Feature isolation That's useful to understand the performance level of the CPU, relatively on its segment. Instead of going with 5500U then 5600U then 5625U. 5/5 Form factor/TDP Are they discontinuing the "H"? Well, nevermind. But the "C" is definitely a waste of space, guess "the Big G" enforced that useless scheme. 4/5 So, with this new way it should be easier understand what are they buying.

[@epmcgee]

Video: Ryzen 7000 laptops aren't what you think Also video: demonstrates what marketing AMD has already released So where's the part where they're not that?

[@theexile4694]

RDNA 3 APUS: AMD Ryzen™ 9 7940HS - 8 CPU / 12 GPU AMD Ryzen™ 7 7840HS - 8 CPU / 12 GPU AMD Ryzen™ 7 7840U - 8 CPU / 12 GPU AMD Ryzen™ 5 7640HS - 6 CPU / 8 GPU AMD Ryzen™ 5 7640U - 6 CPU / 8 GPU AMD Ryzen™ 5 7540U - 6 CPU / 4 GPU AMD Ryzen™ 3 7440U - 4 CPU / 4 GPU All other SKUs are using RDNA 2. 12 CUs (GPU) = Performance slightly better than an AMD RX 570 GPU.

[@RS-handle]

got more confusing watching this. trying to find out whats the latest AMD CPU for thin and light and looks like even the new releases ones are zen3. so the question is whats the best AMD laptops we can buy now !!

[@NicholasFlamy]

3:28 No actually, it's not worse. It completely fixes the sh*t with the mobile 3000 series being Zen+ and desktop 3000 being Zen 2 and mobile 4000 was Zen 2 but mobile 5000 is sometimes somewhere in between Zen 2 and 3 but 6000 is Zen 3+, BUT NOT ALWAYS.

[@AzVfL]

People waiting for the Zenbook 13S 2022: guess I wait another year

[@themodfather9382]

The naming scheme isn't complicated at all.. 7540u. ryzen 5 zen 4.

[@edwinbradford]

You explained it really well... and I'm totally confused.

[@mecha-sheep7674]

Laptop CPU have been using stupid names for years. The only reasonable thing to do is to google them when you are purchasing a new laptop. Which should never happen more than once every five years anyway.

[@FarabiIbnMosharraf]

I prefer this naming scheme. Makes sense if you just look at a chart

[@ravenclawgamer6367]

It's surprising to see AMD's leadership willingly giving their lead back to Intel without any effort. I'm really missing the enthusiasm from AMD's side for their future product lineups, which they had when they were the underdog. Now it's more like AMD is saying to Intel, "Sir, I've ruled and kept your (X86) kingdom in your place, hoping to see the day you return back with full power and enthusiasm. Now that you're here, my joy is done, and I shall take my leave." And there's one very important thing to keep in mind, Intel's leadership isn't planning to slow down at all, so Intel will keep on getting more and more ahead of AMD, leading to better products, but wallet ripping prices, just like what Nvidia's currently doing. So I hope AMD better wakes up from their uninspiring sleep. Edit : I feel as if AMD spent everything they had for research in acquiring Xilinx and Pensando.

[@gageracer]

I've come to conclusion that more core matters for gaming cause you don't just run the game like a console anymore. I have Spotify, Firefox with a KZbin video and another browser to search for the game I'm playing that has ad block. Game you play might also have extra software running that is unoptimized, I'm playing wow and the add-ons are Lua programs running in single thread. When I raid, I see 20 fps with all this running with 6 cores. Gpu stays 45% usage and cpu goes full nuts with 91°C. No matter what I do, like lowering the graphics and even resulotion, I get the same experience.

[@jimatperfromix2759]

Yer gonna need to choose between a 8-core 7940HS that you can run practically forever on battery, and a 16-core 7945HX that runs like a slightly-slowed-down desktop Ryzen 9 7950X3D but that only runs 3 hours on battery and then plug it in after that. The reason I compare it to the 7950X3D (and not the 7950X) is that on a relative-to-its-CPU-speed basis, the 80 MB of L2+L3 cache in the 7945HX is somewhat analogous to the 144 MB of L2+L3 cache in the 7950X3D. That 7945HX is gonna rip as a gaming machine, when coupled with a good laptop dGPU. Do you think that it's an accident that the formal name of the 7945HX is only a nickel off from the name of the 7950X ? Brilliant product naming by AMD. But the secret for in-the-know AMD aficionados is that the 7945HX should probably really be named something like, say, 7945HX3D ! It has a pretty-darn-good version of what amounts to 3D V-Cache. Plus you don't have to pay for an expensive tower and more expensive tower motherboard - since that comes with the laptop, and the penalty is only a somewhat slowing down of the 7950X CPU in order to be cool enough for a laptop fan to handle.

[@jimatperfromix2759]

Hey @gageracer, I did a little bit more research since I'm pretty much on the horns of the same dilemma. Specifically, I got some estimated performance details for the higher-end 7045HX series CPUs. Hardware Canucks says that the 7945HX does Cinebench R23 multithreading 1.78x faster than the well-known 6900HX part from last year. Well it looks perhaps better than that with new evidence. I prefer the performance test Passmark CPU Multithreading test, mainly since it uses an average of a broad set of benchmarks. But no results yet for the new 7945HX. But there are results for what looks like an engineering sample (sample size = 1) of the 7845HX that has 12 cores and 24 threads. This scores 46791 on Passmark CPU Multithreading, compared to 24562 for the "already sweet" 6900HX from last year, a ratio of about 1.9X. But that''s a 1.9X improvement already just going from an 8-core 6900X to a 12-core 7845HX ! Now granted, the person doing the testing of the solo data point for what looks like an engineering sample, might be a master tuner. But still, that's pretty impressive even after knocking off a few points for when more samples arrive in the database. And adding 4 more cores when you go from 7845HX to 7945HX just gives you one last performance bump, which can't be more than an extra 1/3 but is likely to be more like 1/6 since those last few cores slow down average clock speed over all cores. Let's discount the 1.9X to 1.8X for starters, then add 1/6 factor to that (0.3X) giving 2.1X. So optimistically, the 7945HX might run multithreaded CPU tasks almost 2.1X faster than the already good 6900HX CPU part - depending on the mix of threads being run. In round numbers, call it a doubling, giving an estimated Passmark CPU Multithreading score of 49124 at this point, before it's ever been tested. By the way, the desktop 7950X chip hits 63430 on the Passmark CPU Multithreading test, so by our estimate, the baby 16-core 7945HX chip might attain about 77% of the CPU throughput of its 16-core big-brother desktop chip. The desktop 12-core 7900X hits 52109 on the Passmark CPU Multithreading test, leading us to believe that the baby 16-core 7945HX might be able to attain about 94% of the CPU throughput of the 12-core desktop 7900X. Bear in mind though, that the complicated calculations I just went through are based on a single engineering sample of the 7845HX CPU, such that you should take it all with a large grain of salt. Nevertheless, it's exciting to think that a 16-core AMD laptop chip might be able to come within shouting distance of a 12-core AMD desktop chip of the same generation. All this is made possible by AMD extending the core/thread range from 8/16 all the way to 16/32 in its top-end Ryzen gen 4 CPU parts. Also bear in mind that none of these cores/threads are Efficiency cores/threads - rather, they are all effectively Performance cores/threads (in hybrid terminology). In a year or so (it is rumored) AMD may also release hybrid-architecture CPUs as well. But for now, Intel does not offer a 32-thread all-Performance-core CPU within its range of laptop CPUs.

[@bungusgaming2538]

the naming is deffinetely misleading, but I think its debatably better than calling a zen 2+ chip ryzen 5 5500u when it seems like it would be zen 3 like the 5600u, atleast you can easily tell for the most part what architecture each cpu uses now althought its a bit wierd that there is a 7045 series despite it not being zen 4+ somce that obviously not out yet maybe they shouldve had a different lettering and kept it as 7040 but idk

[@eray3480]

I am learning english now, and you are best for that because while you are explanin your idea, you show what are you talking about. Thanks for explaining.

[@jadadpe3873]

While the naming and lower tier of ryzen cpus for laptops might be pretty terrible, I'm relatively hopeful for the HX series cpus considering the efficiency amd has shown with the 7000 non-X desktop cpus. I actually think they have potential to take the laptop performance crown from intel because of it. GPUs are another story though.

[@NeblogaiLT]

Be very hopeful about wonderful battery life of monolithic 4N Phoenix die based 7040 series, but not 7045 HX, which uses a chiplet design, with lots of cache, and is a variant of desktop SKUs. For these, just achieving decent 5-6 hour battery life at light tasks would be good outcome. Lets see how it turns out, initial reviews are not very far away.

[@Blu0tuth0ninja]

while this does change the convention, this does allow a knowledgeable consumer to quickly understand what they are buying, without having to pull up google for specs.

[@dragonl4d216]

I just got a Huawei Magicbook X 14 that comes with the 7840HS (8 core Zen 4/ RDNA 3) for $700. If you are going to visit China, definitely consider getting one of these.

[@nicknikes1557]

I wish they would just make a giant lineup of mini PCs so they don't have to put a display or you could just plug it into your TV and have a PC I think those would sell really good just to use up all the leftover older SKUs

[@jimatperfromix2759]

@nicknikes1557, what you noted (and also mentioned by @lubossoltes321) is a big trend that I think we'll see more of soon. How many people just by a laptop because that's what people buy these days, but have no need at all to be portable? The outfits like Minisforum and Beelink do a good job covering the space with a wide variety of CPU options. Add the new M2 Mac Mini to that, and I see the tower PC as becoming something that is so 2010s (within a couple years) except for the most zealous of gamers and people that need a true big workstation for their job.

[@joevwgti.]

I'm curious, beyond a spike in stock price, what was the point of the announcement? You can't buy any product/laptops with these cpu's. Why did they not work with their hardware partners for a release date timed to their announcement?

[@alexauga]

It’s all about speed to market or perception of this, the CPU market is very competitive at the moment between Apple, AMD & Intel although AMD seems to be two steps ahead at the moment above the rest IMO

[@henryhogge8422]

What's with the melodrama at 3:20 he already answered his own question 2 minutes earlier

[@teeh.2939]

dang, this info is lit. I ddnt realize that numbering scheme has something to do with everything!

[@Jimster481]

Well I actually think that this model works much better than before. Because now you can know what you are getting as long as you understand the formula. This has to do with marketing because people don't understand anything and they won't spend much money on a laptop or desktop with an older chip.

[@TheDude50447]

Yeah its a bit scammy to rename everything back to Zen 2 as 7000 series. Manufactures have taken full advantage of that and branded machines with several year old hardware with a Ryzen 7000 sticker. On the other hand none of these chips are bad if the price is right this isnt so much of an issue. I actually thought it was worse when they put Zen 2 chips into the 5000 line up. For example 5600u was Zen 3 and 5500u was Zen 2 and unlike in the new naming scheme there was nothing in the name to reflect it back then.

[@danieltrump7081]

just FYI AMD hasnt been capacity limited on production of laptops for a while now. The substrate limitation was freed up years ago, and there was only a wafer shortage for a short time period. the main reason why you don't see many AMD laptops is not AMD deciding not to make that many or to "focus on datacenter", but is OEMs not building support around AMD products and poor consumer sentiment/mindshare around AMD products.

[@robertstan298]

Meh, it's not as big a issue as you make it out. New laptop designs or refreshed designs sporting year(s) old CPU/APU/GPUs is nothing new. As for Zen2 in 7000 lineup you're kinda mincing data, Mendocino is a NEW product, and it's only for ultra budget designs or chromebooks. Zen2+RDNA2. Athlon/Ryzen 7120-7520 family. Also this isn't really AMD's doing as much as it's the OEMs and ODMs requesting it. I highly doubt someone in the market for a > $1500 laptop would confuse a 7320U (4 core budget Mendocino) for a 7840HS (premium 8 core Phoenix). You speak of "technically" AMD beinh able to launch a Zem+ "premium" "7915U"... except there's no sign of them doing anything even remotely to that. Even last years Zen3+/6000/Rembrandt refreshes/rebrands don't see ANY high-end part. They top out ar 7735 U/HS. 78xx/79xx are clearly reserved for only the best and newest (Phoenix Point/RDNA3 and Dragon Range/DTR, both Zen4 based). Also the fact that DTR chips like Dragon Range/7045 pretty much RESERVE the "HX" suffix in the entire line up, where others are just U/HS type thin and light chips. There is no confusion, HX in the 7000 series means 55W+ desktop-like power houses for big form factor or ultra premium laptops. And at the end of the day, if it helps AMD gains a more balanced market share vs Intel on laptop, I'm all for it.

[@hoangd4132]

found a delusional AMD fanboy thinking they give a shit about customer.

[@SLPCaires]

if you got all those old cores that you need to shift, WTF else you gonna do? Your graphics made it super easy to understand btw... :D

[@raulatencia3089]

Your explanation has really helped me a lot. Thanks.

[@chrisgoulet6621]

Never really been into the mobile market honestly. Interested me, like laptops and handhelds looking at the new ally x coming with the same Z1 extreme? Really confusing market. I’ve always had desktops just built a new rig with the super 40 series little while ago been amazing. Working on another house so i find myself away on the weekends bored pc is my only gaming system wife has consoles. Ended up with a steal at my local micro center yesterday. Lenovo LOQ Ryzen 5 7000 series, 16 gig ddr5 5600, rtx 4060, 1TB ssd for 749.99 and I actually didn’t even pay that cause the wife let me trade in our old Apple Watches that been sitting in the dresser since we got new ones. So I got like 570 off the 750 so I paid brand new for 170 bucks. My main rig blows it out the water, but can see myself doing some light gaming away from home in the city working on the other house in NH at night instead of staring at my phone lol😂 even when we move and I don’t really have use for it probably going to give to my wife so she can have a pc at her gaming work from home/school office.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

At least the naming doesn't require a sun dial to figure out now. It is easy really

[@samgoff5289]

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[@alexs.2069]

Generally it's good that it is transparent. But putting the most important number in 3rd place is really bad

[@vanceg4901]

Currently have a Lonovo IdeaPad 3 AMD 5000 Series integrated graphics laptop. Interested in what the price will be for 7000 Series integrated graphics laptops coming later this year.

[@me-hk4ic]

wheres the high end AMD advantage laptops at? we need somethin to save gaming laptops this year..

[@HardwareCanucks]

AMD has essentially exited the mid to high end laptop GPU market

[@aky19832001]

Stay away from anything, Asus. Absolutely stay away from any AMD processor paired to Asus laptops or motherboards.

[@elementx8046]

Why?

[@krazyolie]

The 7040 looks promising but a bit moot until it’s actually available, which sounds not soon. Definitely targeting the premium thin and light/ MacBook Air competition market there.

[@shaolindonnie]

no problem for me.. and that is in south portugal where i live.. got a lenovo legion 5 ,all amd at radio popular here..went perfect

[@MnemonicCarrier]

I want a laptop with a 99.9Whr battery, a Ryzen 6800H, 2 x memory slots, user-replaceable WiFi module, 2 x m.2 slots, a 500 nit 165Hz 16 inch panel that has a 60Hz option, very simple and plain white back-lighting with accurate brightness control, at least one USB 4 port, runs cool and quiet, and has good Linux compatibility. That is all...

[@csl750]

i dont understand what the issue is with the naming convention... seems straight foward easy to understand.

[@uninsignificant]

Personally I think the present naming scheme is better as it presents most of the important informations. It might be a little hard to grasp but its actually clear.

[@NeblogaiLT]

But it does not present some of the most important information. For example, for U-series, CPU core generation does not really matter much for most users, and what matters is tech process (an APU made on N4 will be able to run at 15W at way higher clocks, than an APU produced on N7), and iGPU+VCE (en/decoder engine). For example, 7020 series for this year is not the Lucienne die with Vega iGPU, and old VCE- but tiny RDNA2, plus modern VCE, capable of AV1 decode. 7030U series, on the other hand, have slightly better Zen3 cores (who cares), but VCE on it is old, so not really recommended, unless you get it in a really cheap laptop, or with a new dGPU.

[@sounghungi]

Well it's better than what we got from Intel were you had Ice Lake which was 10 nm up to 4 cores and Comet Lake which was 14 nm up to 6 cores. I think the naming is a mess but it's would be more confusing having Zen 2 with updated I/O and ram compatibility still listed as 3000/4000 Ryzen.

[@siyzerix]

Oh you think AMD is not giving you 4c? Look up the ryzen 5 7520u

[@sounghungi]

@@siyzerix Never said they weren't. Just said that the name scheme is this messed up because they have Zen 2 parts that have an updated I/O so Ryzen 7000 with Zen 2 uses ddr5 while Ryzen 4000 with Zen 2 only support ddr4

[@siyzerix]

@@sounghungi Its still AMD selling you 4c/8t ryzen 5 cpu's. Its just a ryzen 3 5300u thats updated

[@sounghungi]

@@siyzerix Yeah I understand that. Never said anything about that. Personally I think 4c/8t is fine for laptops especially cheap ones.

[@siyzerix]

@@sounghungi Then call it a ryzen 3. Not ryzen 5. Ryzen 3 is meant to go into cheap laptops.

[@mli3793]

Stuff like this is partly why I bought a MacBook. It was a total mess to get a decent PC. I actually never managed to and had to return 4 of them before I gave up. Bluescreens, 3 hours of battery life, crap usb 4 drivers, lies all around, 200 nit screens. Screw these PC companies tbh

[@DSS553]

The way AMD is doing it, you can see which generation of CPU a particular model is from. With Intel you can't, I bet most consumers aren't aware that every 13th gen CPU from 13600 and below is not Raptor Lake, but Alder Lake. Yet no one is calling Intel out on this, AMD are apparently the bad guys.

[@DSS553]

@Garrus Vakarian That's a good point. I don't know why, it does make it look like they're trying to downplay the CPU gen for the performance class. I'm just pointing out that at least AMD gives us that information while Intel is hiding it by rebranding Alder Lake CPUs into "13th gen". AMD's way of doing it is not perfect, but at least it's not as misleading and deceiptful as what Intel is doing. Nvidia isn't much better either, with the way they tried to rebrand a 4070 into "4080 12GB", until everyone called them out on it.

[@stevejo5300]

@Garrus Vakarian I think they're still consistent with the old numbering scheme (Ryzen 5 shown as 5 on the 2nd number and Ryzen 9 shown as 9/8). If we look at the past numbering scheme, the 3rd number sometimes serves as nothing rather than just pick-a-number number tho

[@BriefNerdOriginal]

I'm genuinely waiting for a full AMD mini PC that might at least compete with my current Intel 10th gen w/ RTX2070S.

[@AhmadQ.81]

mini PC from amd with 7945HS + amd discrete mGPU with advantage memory sharing. wow that would be a killer mini 🥲😅

[@BriefNerdOriginal]

@@AhmadQ.81 let me know if you spot one 😉😎

[@rjpajaron]

I actually agree with AMD. Marketing wise, no OEM will produce new laptop with Ryzen 2000 or Ryzen 3000 or Ryzen 4000 on it and considering that AMD is now harvesting old "Zen" with refresh with latest lithography, this make sense. People and store folks will be able to communicate the difference. i3, i5, i7, i9 means nothing but bullshit. Like AMD's r3, r5, r7 and r9. It is pure marketing brinkmanship.

[@MegaManNeo]

Wasn't the whole point of Ryzen 4000 or 5000 in laptops (not sure which one) to unify the laptop and desktop variations of CPUs? If the past years should have told AMD anything it's not to confuse customers.

[@hoangd4132]

unify ? they always have 2 different designs for laptop and desktop. this year they bring desktop chip to laptop while rebrand every single old laptop chips.

[@AchiragChiragg]

@@hoangd4132 I think he meant unify the architecture generation. Like the laptop CPUs were always 1 generation older in architecture even though they were the same series(5***, 4***, 3*** etc.)

[@knack6157]

So, They launched new CPUs in almost the end of 2022 it will ship at the end of 23 so we are getting after 2 years ?

[@lubossoltes321]

Looking forward to 7x40 ships. I hope there will be enough laptops for those. Also MiniPCs like Minisforum/Beelink and the like.

[@Cuirenteria]

Yup, im saving for the 7040s chip on a minipc.