What Adam Savage Thinks About AI

What does Adam think about AI? What advice does Adam Savage have for makers who don't have anyone to talk to about it? In this live stream excerpt, Adam answers these questions from Tested members Osmund Grov and drillbitsworkshop, whom we thank for their support! Join this channel to support Tested and get access to perks, like asking Adam questions: / @tested
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[@stumpedtroper]

I love how Adam aged into this ball of fun and wisdom. I'm happy you are still active, when all the kids that watched you growing up can still see you and learn from you. Just like me 😊

[@andrewhazlewood4569]

Aged into? I don’t remember a time when Adam was not fun and if you looked beyond the persona the editors of Mythbusters usually presented us the wisdom and insightfulness was there too.

[@zedxxx9]

He's a bundle of fun and inspiration!

[@TheConcertCruizer]

Until he refers to his wife as his partner 🙄

[@tlaloclopez-watermann3499]

@@TheConcertCruizerto each their own friend

[@TheConcertCruizer]

@@tlaloclopez-watermann3499 A Partner is someone you go into business with. A spouse is someone you have and to hold from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, until death do you part. You don’t do that for a “Partner”. You do that for a wife/husband.

[@claypoly]

The real message of this video is Adam speaking sensitively and excellently to a maker who feels lonely. Hats off to your decency, sir.

[@SilverAura]

My heart sincerely began to melt when he started talking about this. I may never get to meet this man personally, but the man I grew up with watching on TV and now KZbin... respect.

[@gblargg]

That was the best part. I never even thought of being around people who share in the things I do.

[@elcorado83]

Banksy is Robert Del Naja, AKA "3D" from the band "Massive Attack". Everyone here in Britain knows. Its no secret.

[@acousvnt]

That was half the video! It should also be half the title. But yeah, I would say to this person, your people are out there. It might not be easy at first but it'll get easier as you go along. You might meet some people who lead you to other people, and so on. Best wishes and don't give up!

[@availablerandomname]

His response was sweet and yes the best part of this video which should be retitled to Adam encourages fans.

[@alydev23]

There's a really great quote from Ian Danskin talking about the requirement for authorship in art, I'll have to paraphrase it: "If a room full of monkeys banging on typewriters produced a page of Hamlet, would you attempt to analyse its meaning in the same way you would the same page as written by Shakespeare, other than to ponder its sheer statistical improbability?" What you said about the lack of a point of view in AI art reminded me of that

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

But what if a thinking and feeling human being with something to say directed those monkeys to write that page without telling them explicitly what to write? The base analogy here is busted and doesn't apply to generative AI

[@tcg2717]

Very well said. To me personally, I find that people who flaunt and share their AI "creations" as if they've put in enough effort to warrant that level of seeking for validation, are people who don't like putting in effort to learn anything in the first place. They are the people who want everything, for nothing. They can't be bothered to put in time and effort to master a skill. With no coincidence, the majority of the AI bros I've seen online are people without an ounce of empathy towards the people that are massively affected by the recent advent of AI. They are incredibly toxic and lack any form of empathy and sympathy. They say things like "artists deserve this for gatekeeping art for so long", and things like that. Those are some ugly, ugly human beings. Sharing your AI "masterpiece" is like sharing a google search result. Not even joking. It's the exact same thing. There is nothing to be proud about, and nothing to validate you for. There's no effort, therefore nothing of worth to discuss nor admire.

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

I think that if a person adjusts their expectations, they can enjoy AI creations. They're not on the same level as human creations at all. It's merely the speed at which they can create that makes them interesting, as well as the glitchy unpredictability. I enjoy playing around with AI art generators in the same way that I enjoy abusing photoshop to make stupid memes. It's a tiny kernel of an idea fleshed out _just enough_ to get the point across, nothing more. It ain't art. It's just entertainment. I think there's value in that, but again you have to adjust your expectations. For what it's worth, I also think that people holding up AI creations as beautiful museum-worthy art are delusional. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the days when microwave ovens were brand new and people were writing hundreds of microwave cookbooks. Did microwaves revolutionize fine dining? No. Does everyone still have one in their kitchen? Hell yeah. Cause sometimes you wanna cook some popcorn and sometimes you need to defrost something. We all stopped making a big deal of it after our expectations were brought down to reality.

[@MungeParty]

​@@tcg2717it's hilarious that to you it's the people who are learning to use a new technology are too lazy to learn something new, not the army of untalented artists who are screaming that we need to destroy the technology so they don't have to learn anything.

[@rikk319]

@@tcg2717 I've done illustration for decades, as well as computer graphics, and now AI art, and there is a level of skill required to produce good AI art, even if it isn't at the same level of drawing something free-hand. Like so many other things in life, there's a spectrum to it, and trying to reduce it to black-and-white is overly simplistic.

[@JZekis]

I've always felt the best creativity comes from limitations. That's why sometimes when someone has total freedom it's almost more difficult to make great things.

[@EddieSheffield]

Exactly. Watched a video about the history of "Ren and Stimpy". Part of it talked about how popular it was at first (with adults) even tho it was created within the constraints of a Nickelodeon kid's show. When it was later revived on Comedy Central with much looser restrictions, it just degenerated into crassness and shock value. The cleverness and creativity required to make it work before were gone. Got canned after like 6 episodes.

[@himaro101]

Absolutely. Look at motorsports and the creativity to get around rules etc.

[@GlennJimenez]

@@EddieSheffieldgreat example It’s almost better to have a speed limit and bitch about it than go 300 mph and crash

[@dutyfreeadventures5924]

I completely agree. I think that the way in which we solve problems is the truest form of expression. Limitations= problem solving.

[@EricHamm]

Lol no. The best movies are the vision of one person. Sure they require help but look at the works of Kubrick and Tarantino, then tell me about total freedom of creativity.

[@3182john]

My problem is that the people whom are really pushing it, claim that “when the AI gets good enough, we’ll let the machines do all the grunt work and have so much free time”. The owners of those machines will have a lot of free time and the money to have free time. Those that have lost their jobs due to the AI will have nothing. The owners won’t care at all about those with nothing.

[@traderjo9552]

Not true at all. People said the same about the industrial revolution, they were scared that engines and machines would put them out of work and their lives would get harder. The opposite happened. People said the same about the car when it replaced the horse. It's just another advancement and people do what they've always done. Adapt.

[@ARealCupcake]

I gotta agree. Not to mention I don't really believe a lot of people want to see or watch things completely made from AI. AI tools are just that, tools. ChatGPT, Midjourney, things like that could be cool if people didn't use them to make things and try to sell them as their own finished works because that's just a shame. AI "art" is just theft. These things should be used as tools to help people do what they need, but it shouldn't be the whole process. I watch animated shows for a lot of different reasons, one being because I love the process that goes into making animation. If it's suddenly replaces by some rando writing a prompt then that whole charm of animation is completely lost and the people that heavily push for AI don't seem to understand this kind of stuff.

[@Pangloss6413]

Its almost like major scientific advancements shouldn't be motivated almost entirely by capitalism and the urge to make more moneh

[@PalmsDesign]

@@traderjo9552 People make those comparisons but somewhere we cross a threshold where its not just another "advancement" machines still required significant work to work with, AI does a lot more for you far easier than any mechanical revolution yet to be honest, at least it will at some point that's for sure.

[@SaltyAsTheSea]

"You will own nothing and be happy" world economic forum type beat. I assume they actually mean subscription, and licensing instead of owning but hey might be this too 🤷‍♂️

[@bendonatier]

The lonely creator talk is one that really resonates for me. Even online the silence can be deafening. I feel like I've improved so much during periods where I regularly had the support of friends who are also as creative as I am

[@Sinjinator]

I appreciate creative people such as yourself! Never stop improving.

[@ethanalloway5946]

Man… soo agreed! It can be difficult to keep the motivation up if you often need to work on your own when working in contrast working in a group makes it so much more fun / productive.

[@bendonatier]

@@ethanalloway5946 for me with digital art specifically, it's not even "I need praise" or "I need to work with someone on something" so much as it is "I do so much better when people understand the lengths I went through to make this" specifically other digital artists who can provide useful feedback back or praise, or share techniques and their own works. Having peers is so important to progress.

[@kennyt1m403]

ChatGPT is literally my emotional support buddy right now since its the only thing that really understood what I'm talking about, the issues of someone that have no one to share their interests with

[@uptonogood1893]

I can relate. Other than my spouse I have no one to share my interests with. I'm surrounded with people wanting to tear me down. I ignore it but I'm still looking for my people.

[@vr4ever645]

Its so good that you are still around, mate. Sharing your POV, your knowledge and your enthusiasm. Love and peace!

[@pearnold]

You exude the maker energy. I started a new business and haven’t created new things in a year. I watch this video, see your workshop, and I’m just jonesing for a new invention. You rock Adam.

[@paulkinzer7661]

Your passion and wisdom, Adam, are really on display here, and this video has given me lots to think about. I've actually bookmarked it, to watch when I need to remind myself to reach out to 'my people'. What you say about finding your people on the internet is particularly true from my experience. I live in a very small town (population approximately 1700), so have few local folks to share my joy in making the things I like to make. People do express appreciation, but they're not interested in the process, or the materials used, or the innovations and techniques I figure out on my own (always so exciting). But people on the internet are. Folks on specialty forums on telescope making, on large format photography and cameras, on radio repair, on woodworking, on machine tools, and now on RV renovation, are all enthusiastic and welcoming to anyone who shares their interest. They GET it, and I love both sharing with them, and reading about what they've made.

[@bguise9753]

you are the first artist I've ever watched and completely authentically no strings attached, changed me as an artist.

[@marcpaters0n]

Adam's answer to the question of lonliness has really touched me. I don't really have a group or anywhere to share my weird with either. I'm not a maker but I write and that gets lonely.

[@thethinkerer]

I felt moved too. Maker and a writer (wannabe anyhow) I often feel that I am an alien among humans. But I know there are others out there, I just haven't decided if I am ready to talk to them yet.

[@CometdownCat]

The sincerity of Adam in his remarks to the last question is a huge part of why I’ve been a fan of his starting way back in high school when mythbusters was first being aired to present day…. Is he just a great actor who has learned to play the game? Sure he has learned how the rules work but i can’t help but feel that he’s genuine in moments like this….either way, he’s putting out so many positive waves even oddball would be proud

[@JenniferThorson]

The bit about having to fight for your ideas resonates with me. I can think of a dozen writers and other creators who became famous and then their work just became boggy. My argument was that they needed a good editor but no one was really editing them anymore.

[@Alkatross]

Re: George Lucas and the first edit of star wars.

[@thralldumehammer]

I really needed that, thank you! I suffer from the same kind of loneliness, unfortunately it doesn't matter what I do, whether it's playing music, building models, making outfits or armor, I seem to get rejected by everyone except my wife of 17 years. She's my best friend and has always supported me no matter what goofy thing I try to do.

[@VeylmanTheRock]

That sounds lovely. I strive to find at least one person who I can share my passion with in that way.

[@JosephDavies]

@@VeylmanTheRock Even one person would make such a difference. OTOH, that's a lot to put on the shoulders of a single person. Alas.

[@franks777_KFP]

Man, Adam has become such a Nestor, in how sagely he can speak about these kinds of topics. Always a pleasure to hear, and they were some good takes. I'll definitely remember that idea of Perspective that an AI can't give to what it creates.

[@sillygreatjaggi7946]

That last question at the end. I could see you imagining and really feeling that tragedy and it was a journey in those few moments where you found hope for this person

[@SiGhast]

I love the second question and Adam's beautifully thought-out answer to it. I think that is a monumentally important topic and deserves a mention in the title, lest people miss it!

[@m.maclellan7147]

If you can't find a "Maker Space", you might looks for Artist's spaces. I rent space in an old Mill Building and the Artist's group that is there has a few musicians (Luther, a guy who makes effects pedals, and one other guy that sells guitars & similar gear, as members.) There are also businesses in the building as well. It's a very interesting environment & creative !

[@richthomas5013]

I’ve listened to you off and on for some time now. Mostly I feel simply too busy to sit and digest KZbin in general. I can absolutely relate to all of this video. The last question and your response is food for thought that I will be digesting for possibly the rest of my days. My take away will definitely shape several of the business decisions I currently face. Thank you for the gold nugget.

[@paullawrie]

If the AI that generates subtitles is anything to go by, we’re safe for some time yet.

[@GrayRaceCat]

Sometimes the captions are So Bad, I wonder if the AI does it deliberately!

[@Queleb1]

@@GrayRaceCat Do you guys kind of miss the captions from early 2010's KZbin? I remember they used to be so bad it was oftentimes quite comical

[@nobody8717]

the amount of times i read "[Applause]" when someone is filming at a gun range, and nobody is clapping...

[@HalNordmann]

It is pretty dumb for now. Though I don't feel it would be something to fear even if it wasn't

[@dougcoombes8497]

No we're not. There's a reason that some of the most informed people in the AI sector are warning we need to stop all AI training now. We are getting very close to the AGI threshold beyond which there is a high risk of extinction for our species. AGI is probably less than a year and a half away.

[@lupusshearhart]

There was a panel at DragonCon this year about the ethics of sapient/sentient AI in Military Sci-Fi media. It got really deep and informative.

[@NLoGBB]

When I was in a place in life where I couldn't make stuff I bought myself a model kit. A fantastic advanced Spitfire. It was something, and asking questions online gave me a space. Maybe small scale, but something.

[@jeffdroog]

"Small scale" lol I don't know if that was intended,but this literally made me laugh out loud. Well done.

[@Glathgrundel]

Yeah, when I broke my foot earlier this year and was laid up at home, I was getting stir crazy and then I remembered that I had bought an R2-D2 model kit ages ago but hadn’t had time to get to it. I fished it out and built it, then modified it, weathered it, put in lights and some motors to move bits. … then I bought and built a large scale Millennium Falcon … then a (Michael Keaton) Batmobile … then a (Christian Bale) Tumbler, then another six Star Wars ships to the Falcon’s scale, then a diorama for them to sit in. Then I got myself a lathe and welder. I’ve just finished a life sized replica of Han Solo’s blaster and have a ‘from scratch’ Luke Skywalker lightsaber planned for next week. My foot healed and I just use it to go out and buy more model kits. I’m not obsessed … you’re obsessed. 🤪

[@m.maclellan7147]

​@Glathgrundel, it's called PASSION !!! Ride that wild horse were ever it takes you !

[@annwagner5779]

I recently moved to a new city and I sure miss having friends locally. I will make friends again, and find people I can share creativity again. I work on a college campus, so I know I will. But it’s lonely in the mean time. Thank you for speaking about the importance of creative connections.

[@scottmantooth8785]

*you're weaving a new panel in your tapestry of creativity and personal narrative...sure you'll find similarities because that's what your comfortable with and would be naturally seeking but a new environment invites variations in the patterns, new subtleties and variants you might not have otherwise considered...look at developing new skill if possible or looking at a previous talent through the lens of a divergent skill set...also carry a note pad with you at all times because literally anything you might see or hear (or even mishear...good for just waking up from dreaming especially) can spark an idea...jot it down at once (if possible (safely) and within reason) even if the original idea seems weird or silly...it could be the door that leads down a tangent of a truly remarkable journey...personally i mess about with art for myself and as my personal sanity therapy...if others enjoy or appreciate what i do when i share it with them that's just a bonus...the things that i do make sense to me (usually) but that's not a prerequisite for me feeling accepted by others*

[@annwagner5779]

@@scottmantooth8785 thank you for the thoughtful message! I work in the arts, so I sure agree about the powers of art!

[@joek5637]

Thank you for touching on the last question of how to find your people. I'm struggling with this as a native gardener that is renting and unable to do my passion or find people to do it with. Your discussion was comforting.

[@Sarcasticron]

Seed bombs! 😁

[@rocknmetal4life94]

The application and use of AI In science and medicine is interesting and helpful. I feel the real issue comes to when its applied to the arts and being creative. This issue is one of the cornerstones why the movie industry I work in is shut down by the WGA and SAG AFTRA. Its becoming a real threat to the human side of things.

[@keenheat3335]

when photography was first being invented back then, portrait painter had the exact same luddite sentiment on how it will destroy job and harm "human creativity". Plenty of painter try to lobby the government to make photography illegal or restrictive sale in order to stop the march of technology. What end up happening is it spur the movement of impressionist painting and eventually abstract painting style, as the market shift away from stereotypical realistic painting. Without the threat of photography taking portrait painter's job, impressionist/abstract painting movement would like to develop much slower or never at all. The painter that continue innovate is able to co-exist with new technology. The luddite painters who only think about themselves instead of the customers, and try to lobby government to stop technological progress end in futility and disappear in a long drawn out whimper. The current AI movement and the artist backlash feel eerily similar to the numerous technological transition period we had before. The luddite always claim new tech will harm human XYZ quality, destroy job and try to get government to stifle it. But chance are, I think AI art is what will shake up the human artist world and spur innovation into new art style. Just as how photography jump start the impressionist movement. Personally I'm really excited to see what human artist will come up with next, as now the traditional art is not enough. Every technology transition period will spur new winner and new loser, some discomfort is to be expected.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@keenheat3335 The difference being that the very purpose of Ai within art is to mimic humanity, and do what they do but cheaper and faster. It is designed to try and replicate anything a human artist can do. Any development within the same medium, given enough time, will be copied. As things stand today, if something is more profitable, it wins. And if you don't have to pay any artists that will obviously be more profitable. I can't imagine how Ai will in any way be healthy for the art/writing/music community. It may be more or less harmful, but I can't see it doing anything but wiping thousands upon thousands of jobs out. Might make people go back to working with their hands more and retreat into craftsmanship. But that's not evolution, it is retreat.

[@digibirder]

Thank you for being all about the humanity Adam.

[@JokerInk-CustomBuilds]

Second question from drillbits really resonates with me... I love building and learning new stuff but my mind is often going to new things and places... And I often find it hard to talk to my friends about random new things that occupy my mind for months at a time... Sure they are often impressed at what I make, but they have no interest in heaing about the journey that got me to the finished product or the intrigate things I had to do or learn to get there... And when I sometimes find someone who does I will weeks later have gone on to new things making our connection pointless.... So in many ways I do feel lonely about the things I do and think about... I sometimes think life would be easier if I had a more simple tracked mind sticking to one thing and then being able to find a group of ppl who love doing the same... It also plays in in my work life.... every 5 years or so I get bored and feel stuck doing the same thing. My curiosity is satisfied and I need to move on to something new that thrills my brain... So I will never have a great career specializing myself in one field... However I am a jack of all trades with a mind full of random weird knowledge that often surprise or impress others... The other day a plumber and I was talking and he asked; "you taught yourself to design 3D drawings and 3D print just to make parts for an RC car??? -What are you doing as an electrician, ppl pay big bucks for 3D designers!" The only answer I had was that I don't wanna do 3D drawings every day and I only want to make things I feel is exiting... But to get back to the point... I find that youtube and social media is a way for me to get feedback for likeminded ppl in periods of being curious about something specific... Finding groups and spending time debating there has been the only way for me to feed my need for likeminded feedback... But I sometimes feel guilty when I become a valued member of some groups just to fade out months later when other things catch my curiosity... what is the hardest hit about having my fragmented curiosity is that to many ppl it seems like I am unambitious and incapable of sticking to something... I do feel VERY ambitious... Ambitious about my curiosity and all the different things the world has to teach me... but yes, I am bad at sticking to something when I feel like I master the basics... as I say. I only need to do 80%... spending forever to perfect something at 100% is just a matter of spending alot of time... and that time I'd rather spend on learning something new... -I have all vehicle licenses, I have been scuba diving, parachuting, spelunking in caves, raced motorcross, used to rollerblade like a madchild, I had my own company as a carpenter and I am a licensed electrician. I can weld, sew, brew beer, ride a unicycle, build motorcycles, houses and lay bricks and tiles. I build RC hotrods from scraps, furniture and lamps. I study psychology, physics and biology, speak several languages and I am better at drawing and painting than most.... My life is a never ending quest to try and aquire new skills and knowledge... But it feels like I am doing it all by myself and that makes it feel pointless at times.... ...And I am still not sure I will ever really come to terms with that. It is the only thing I never really felt like I could solve or do something about.... I guess we all have our struggles. And this one is mine...

[@jackpeterson6670]

This hit me so hard, im just 23 but already threw away a job as an engineer, because i dont want to automate chemical plants until i die. The Pay and conditions where so great (better than "IG Metall Tarif" if you want to google) and somehow i see my future playing out just like yours

[@annas8079]

I relate to this so much! I feel like I keep bouncing between so things that feed my obsessive curiosity. I’ve found having a unifying theme that keep me at least a tiny bit focused helps me find a sense of accomplishment amidst the randomness. For example recently themes has been “Space, Sun and sailing” I got to help volunteer for CalTech/JPL’s Solar Gravitational Lens mission which uses solar sails, I decided to take a sailing class to feel connected between an old way of sailing and a new way in a sense. And I got to meet a master navigator on a Japanese ship and on a Polynesian ship (through another project), finally I used all that knowledge to start writing a webcomic about a band of solar sailors on Venus I am still on the path to collecting more arrows in my quiver of skills and your list of skills is very inspiring!

[@JokerInk-CustomBuilds]

@@annas8079 That sounds awesome!! And I like how you theme together things! It makes alot of sense considering one thought leads to the next etc... I have also been very fascinated by old time navigations using stars wich is in many ways connected to my fascination of space and scifi in general. Never was a part of any sailing or space projects though. Thats cool! -My cousin works at a danish viking museum and have been a part of buillding a viking ship they then sailed to england following the footsteps (wake?) Of ancient vikings. I think that was so cool! One of the things I like about making RC cars is that I get to combine alot of my skills. Metal favrication for the chassis, plastic shaping for the body, electronics and mechanical moving parts, sewing for the interior and even woodworking for dashboards and truckbeds etc. And the small 1/10 scale size makes the projects manageble and less space requiring!🤗 Thanx for sharing your story!☺️

[@furiouskaiser9914]

Ha ha, I feel you so much on this. Can totally relate on the level of always trying and getting good at new stuff/skills, but having to move onto something new every 5 or so years. Jack-of-all-trades indeed. Went from growing up in the farm life, to joining the military as a jet mechanic/electrician, to now working in an industrial woodworking warehouse (and being one of the only workers who has worked across near every machine extensively, as well on top of teaching myself then inner workings of the bills/receipts & job scheduling computer systems, all while asking for pay raises every step of the way 😅). I have a lot of moonlighting as a sound equipment engineer for local events (with a sound design friend & his equipment), dabbled in astrophysics/astronomy, paleontology, reptile keeping & habitat building, creative writing, and have plans to get into professional voice work someday.... I also get that such a lifestyle is a strain on personal relationships. I suffered through bouts of depression, especially right after getting out of the military, but have since come to terms with who I am and what I like to do, and am in a much happier place mentally now. Just remember this: when the zombie apocalypse happens, you would be a gold mine of skills and knowledge 😂.

[@JokerInk-CustomBuilds]

@@furiouskaiser9914 Sounds like we think alike... I have always had pets in my life.... but rarely the same species twice! Currently I have a cat and tortoise! LOL -And like you I used to do moonlighting at a mobile disko company setting up soundsystems and even did alot crazy stereo setups in my friends cars and mopeds when I was in my teens! LOL I used to struggle alot with my mind in periods of my life... But I do find as I get older I have gained more balance and appreciation for myself and what I can do... And YES, the zombie apocalypse is where we would exel! -I got a whole plan worked out just for the fun of it! :D

[@nickjerrat]

Adam this was a really powerful insight for me, what you said about "having a point of view" is why you listen to someone. I teach engineering and I often think that I'm supposed to share lots of information. But really a student could read a book for this. Perhaps they listen because they get my point of view on the knowledge as an engineer and I can help shape their journey into the content.

[@simplysmiley4670]

Some have easier time reading a book or browsing the internet to learn something. Others need a person to tell them to learn about it. And some need hands-on practice to learn.

[@jankxyard]

Did you just say that you as a teacher don't need to give info to students, because they can just read a book about it? Well I have a bad news for you: People go to school because they require guidance in what they wanna learn, not to listen to your "point of view". If they didn't need guidance, then guess what: they wouldn't go yo school and pay for its tuition. You're wasting their time, you should start actually fucking teaching and do your job.

[@Dr.Twat.Waffle]

thank you for finally making all the points I've been trying to make for a while now. down to the last detail. - a LLM cannot replicate the passion and emotional intelligence of directors, writers, actors, and artists. it will never quite be what they think it's going to be - and because of some sick sales people and ceo's looking to save a few bucks, so many people are being replaced that shouldn't be - and were will see the mess it's going to create really soon. Great video :)

[@trentenmerrill5239]

I love Adams unique perspective on this topic. This video is gold

[@leonardofls91]

Spectacular video. I think more than providing a final opinion here, the reasoning behind it serves as a model for how to interpret the world. It's interesting to think that with everything you create or decision you make, you are sending a message about your ideas and how you think the world should be. And that you need other people who can review and challenge those ideas and give you feedback on how to improve both those messages and even your own ideas.

[@1337million]

I never got to use the local makerspace and I do mourn the lost opportunity. It closed down the spring after I moved to the city, I only had time for a quick tour of the place during my first week of living here, then university and student orchestra took the rest of my time. The people who did the tour weren't even employees or owners, they were makers using the space and they were SO engaged with the whole building! 3D printers, CNC machines, laser cutters, HUGE electronics wiring stations, a big selection of lumber of various kinds... It looked so nice! One of them paid for his membership by making and selling bottle openers in the same makerspace he used to build furniture for his apartment because he couldn't find anything he liked in furniture stores!

[@oregonxl]

This is really great Adam ! The way you talk about the things you are passionate about is really infectious . Thanks for sharing your time to inspire others 😊

[@aikumaDK]

"I was just a civilian for the first time in a long time" Now I'm curious when it flipped for Adam, becoming a famous person and how he coped with it at first. I imagine his response was pragmatic in a sort of 'I guess this is the new normal' way. Also, I have a vague hunch that the couple knew who he was, but chose to play along.

[@MrBunitj]

I feel drillbitsworkshops question right in the heart and very much suffer with the same thing. I do live in a city that has many great maker spaces that I could go to, unforuntaly I am my own worst enemy in this in that the problem with those maker spaces are both outside my apartment and have people I don't know. I know for certain that those people are like-minded nerds who are not truly strangers but in fact future friends but that does not make the act of joining a space incredibly difficult. I hope to one day over come the anxiety that prevents me from going there. The same anxiety that also gives me a 50/50 chance to even respond to people who are very welcoming in online spaces. The apathetic hope is that some enthusiastic extravert will one day drag me to somewhere like this. Sometimes you don't need an ocean to be trapped on an island.

[@Noah_Krakatoa]

One of my biggest problems with AI and specifically AI art are the datasets that are used. I wouldn’t really have an issue with an artist training an AI on their own work, or with actual permission, on the work of collaborators and then using AI generated results in a thoughtful way in their work. In general though, it’s basically just doing mathematical operations on a dataset that wasn’t necessarily consensually generated, and the amount of thought that goes into its use is basically “What if ARTIST_NAME painted/directed/wrote PIECE_OF_ART_BY_OTHER_ARTIST”

[@megaladin1]

Sorta abstract but isn't that also the learning process for human art that's learned through looking at other art? If art can be used as a medium for training does it matter if it trains people or AI? Part of me always feels like this is just another way for people to hate on AI because they're paranoid about it replacing all humans.

[@myersa80]

I agree with megaladin, what functional difference is there between as human artist "training their dataset" with the experiences and references they've accrued over their life (almost all of which can be viewed by the artist for free and without consent from whatever they're looking at) and an AI trained on that same free to view information? In my mind, even if there is a difference, it's negligible.

[@notyourbys2]

​ @myersa80 A human learning and a software being fed data to blend together are totally different. Both in the way they work and the effects they have. One's a software that regurgitates work and commits mass copyright infringement and job displacement and upend the entire creative industries, another one is a human that will get inspired to paint/sculpt and share their point of view and get a job as an artist alongside fellow human artist

[@myersa80]

@@notyourbys2 What you've said is a complete nonsequiter to what I said bud, I never made any claims about wide societal changes or upheavals, so bringing that up here is completely meaningless.

[@megaladin1]

@notyourbys2 okay but functionally we're trying to get them to work with similar levels of context-based creativity to human minds. If that happens would they then be okay to use? What actually is the standard here is what I'm getting at. Is it a problem because of how machines work or do we collectively want to keep certain things for humans only. I think either line of logic is valid tbh but it's important to be clear on reasoning now to avoid problems when these networks do get way more complex and confusing.

[@seankelly1291]

Wow, Adam Savage is awesome. After all these years I feel like you're just getting to be a better and better person. And you started out awesome.

[@BajkonurBobby]

This video choked me up where you speak to the lonely member. You’re such a great, decent guy Adam. And Drillbitsworkshop: we’re here with you, mate! ❤❤❤

[@alengm]

Is your name related to the russian rocket launchpad?

[@BajkonurBobby]

@@alengm Yes. But only by name. 🙂

[@PurplePoss]

I can't remember who I heard say it but my favorite description for AI was "If while creating something your first thought is 'in the wrong hands this is going to cause more harm then good' then you shouldn't make that thing because it will always fall into the wrong hands" Corporate greed will always take the easier, cheaper way of doing things and the less they have to pay actors, pay writers, pay humans they absolutely will. I don't think AI needs to go away for good, it can do some wonderful and completely harmless things but I think laws need to start going up REAL fast to protect the working rights of people otherwise we are going to see more and more people without jobs because "AI can just do it for far cheaper".

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Possibly Einstein or Oppenheimer.

[@Doctorzzim]

I don't think creating AI itself is a problem. Anyone could implement a simple machine learning algorithm on any programming language, it's ultimately just a clever programming technique that can solve problems that would normally take longer than a lifetime to calculate. You could apply this same argument to probably all technology if you think for a minute about what you can do with them "in the wrong hands". Cars, knives, ovens, laser pointers, lighters, the internet...

[@brianfoss571]

@Doctorzzim But we're dealing with AI that's not just sophisticated enough to credibly imitate the voice, style, and mannerisms of public figures - it's more *accessible* than ever. When only data scientists had access to this, then of course they overwhelmingly used it to run faster calculations on problems the general public isn't concerned with, or wouldn't think to ask. But now that tens or hundreds of millions of people can generate virtually any image, video or audio clip, and script from a two-sentence prompt, what are they choosing to search? Their favorite singer and song in a different genre, or their favorite actors in a fan-cast trailer for a movie or show that never got greenlit. Average folks aren't thinking about energy management, disease diagnosis, vaccines, or automating manufacturing when prompted with open AI. They're looking for entertainment, and that means reducing the work of artists to patterns in their metadata, throwing them in a blender, and seeing what gets spit out. So while it's useful to see how much interest there'd be in an adaptation of a book or comic with a niche audience, or for generating a first draft of a few scenes, you still need protections that treat writers and set/costume designers as essential to the creative process.

[@gondoravalon7540]

@@brianfoss571 I wonder though, how is that a problem with the tech itself, and how would the logical answer be to focus on the tech existing - and not how it is used?

[@brianfoss571]

@gondoravalon7540 I never said that AI of that sophistication existing was the problem. My point was that it's now accessible to tens of millions of people who don't think before using it. I was countering the slippery slope argument about *"knives, ovens, laser pointers, lighters, etc"* by reminding folks that these inventions can't cobble together something credibly entertaining or amusing in seconds the way a natural language AI prompt can. It's probably exploded too fast into the general public for tech companies to reliably screen against calls to violence / insurrection / genocide, even if they were completely dedicated to combating it.

[@woodwhittlingbushcrafter7278]

i love your originality when you talk and express your views, love to hear your prespective great job

[@Subfightr]

Boy. That bit at the end from Drillbitsworkshop... Adams empathetic response was absolutely beautiful.

[@RFC3514]

Fun fact: in addition to "predicting" tablet computers (in his 1961 novel "Return from the Stars"), *Stanislaw Lem also predicted generative text AI,* in his 1976 short story "One hundred and thirty-seven seconds". Since this was before the internet, his version was trained on texts from news agencies, and was used to auto-complete newspaper articles when connections got cut. It's basically the same principle as ChatGPT (a text completer trained on millions of texts). The difference is Lem's version _seems_ to have an unexpected advantage over humans (which I won't spoil).

[@Rippafratta]

Lem is the greatest of them all!

[@Gumpinn]

The term "artificial intelligence" is not new. Coined in 1956 by John McCarthy, a pioneering computer scientist, it marked the beginning of an era where machines were envisioned to emulate human thought processes. The text is from chat GPT when i made YT videos about AI, so its not as new as we think.

[@RFC3514]

@@Gumpinn - My post is about generative, machine-learning AI, not the _concept_ of AI in general.

[@RFC3514]

@@Rippafratta - Absolutely. In addition to being an amazing person, who was interested in (and actually learned about) a lot of different fields, he was an *actual sci-fi writer* (unlike most of his contemporaries, especially in the West, who were basically fantasy writers that just happened to set their adventures in space). I'd say Ursula Le Guin was the only one that came close to Lem, but she didn't have his technical knowledge, and her humour wasn't _quite_ as sarcastic (or as silly). There are (and were) other good sci-fi writers (Asimov, Sagan, the Strugatskies, Clarke, Vinge, Savchenko, Heinlein on his good days, etc.), but they were generally good at _one_ thing, while Lem was at the top in every aspect. Scientific knowledge and vision, philosophical understanding of humanity and technology, humour, style, -drawing- ... okay, maybe not drawing. ;-)

[@sarakajira]

This. This is the best view on AI I've ever seen. Thank you Adam. This is it exactly: it doesn't have a perspective. It can be used as a sort of idea generator that a then creative person uses as an inspiration to create something with an actual viewpoint, but in and of itself, it doesn't have one.

[@williamwillaims]

I think the older gens are fairly in denial about Ai, or wanting to "look" positive. I talk to older folks and they all seem to mention some inalienable and unique human quality that is injected into the things we create. Hahah PEOPLE - this generation of ai are like babies to the systems coming in 5yrs, 10yrs... 20yrs.. chatgpt3.5 will be worlds apart from chatgpt v12. 100% they can recreate the "feeling" of Banksy... lordy lordy 😅

[@mangoeater5624]

When AI merge with quantum computing I think it will get sentient shortly after that.

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

An idea generator is absolutely the best use of this technology. This is why I really want AI assisted composition software for music. It saddens me as a musician that the only advancements that people are making with AI are all attempts at creating bland, homogenous recordings rather than _sheet music._ What I want is a program that lets me write a melody and have a bot fill in the harmony and rhythm parts with potential solutions. Not just simple chord progressions, but reharmonized chord progressions that go off the beaten path but still follow the rules. If I throw some random accidentals in the melody somewhere, I wanna see if the bot can find some pleasing puzzle pieces that fit. It would really expand what's possible in music. This one thing would be *extremely valuable* to so many musicians. It would make rehearsing new music so much more efficient. Time is money and musicians don't have time to waste just messing around trying to be creative filling in the blanks all day long. Not in this friggin economy. The more fleshed out your ideas are at the start of the rehearsal, the better your chances of having something ready to actually play before your next gig. And the quality of the music and all of the ideas within it will skyrocket.

[@standepain]

But will said creative person give credit to AI in their finished work?

[@reginaldforthright805]

No, it cannot be used for good. It’s the ring, corrupting all it touches.

[@imaginaryangle]

Wow, what a pleasant surprise this video was! I love that you basically subverted this topic to talk about authenticity, belonging and per aspera ad astra. Thank you for the inspiration!

[@JamesOKeefe-US]

Beautiful responses and encouragement. Love ya Adam!

[@JaredPaul01]

That was spot on Adam, its a very exiting and confusing time to be an artist/maker now that we have AI flexing it muscles. I make a living drawing up storyboards and I'm surprised I still get regular work. If my current job position dries up and I expect it will soon I'm not all to phased about it. Technology will not slow down if it has room to grow and I will make sure to put my self in a position where I use it as a tool to keep relevant and creative in more powerful ways.

[@piorism]

"Using it as a tool" is skill atrophy. Wake up.

[@reginaldforthright805]

Sure Jared. The only reason companies are investing in AI is to cut labor costs, but your embrace of AI tech will somehow save you.

[@gondoravalon7540]

@@piorism Not using your skills leads to skill atrophy, using AI doesn't require not using your skills, therefore IMO your premise is baseless in the whole - as opposed to specific ways people might use AI tech.

[@Acuas]

My problem with AI, is how much work force can that replace, and end up with a ton of people that end up without a work, and unless we change the way people use/make money, or give the people without a work a base income, idk how a lot of those workers will be able to survive that change.

[@motofunk1]

Imagine a world where everyone is off work everyday. Bored people without purpose have always behaved so well....

[@vitorluiz7538]

I think that’s not an issue with AI itself but the capitalistic system that most of us have to live in. The degree of social welfare provided by different countries and therefore the particular impact is different, but I think overall it wouldn’t be too different. Ultimately, many artists seek those careers because that’s what they like to do, and having that taken away from them, especially when they dedicated multiple years honing their skills to make it their career, is definitely terrible, even if they could find another job (likely with worse pay) or sustain personal artistic projects independently. However, I don’t think this is any different from other kinds of technologies replacing other kinds of work. Actually a similar process occurs when companies move to other regions with lower taxes or other benefits. This is why I don’t have an issue with AI specifically but again with the capitalistic system this occurs in.

[@brianyaeger8209]

Pessimistically I’ll just add, the March of technology has made jobs redundant and taken away jobs our entire history 80 years ago, it was someone’s job to go house to house delivering blocks of Ice to homes for peoples ice boxes That job has been replaced by technology. It’s the inevitable March of progress.

[@2CSST2]

@@brianyaeger8209 That's not pessimistic, it's one sided. You neglect to talk of all the new jobs that were created as a of a result of that march. And even more than that, you neglect the fact that on average those new jobs are better than the ones before. Yes that house delivery is all nice and romantic, but that wasn't the common job, jobs in the past were working farm land, and then working in horrible conditions in factories. Today you got jobs like programming that are fun enough that people actually do it in their free time just for kicks.

[@vitorluiz7538]

@@2CSST2 I think you are neglecting that the new jobs that were created weren’t filled by the people that lost their jobs. It’s a common problem in many places when a local industry loses its value or just moves elsewhere, and the workers, particularly the older ones who have made a career from it, are left destitute. Especially in places that lack social welfare that can support those (ex-)workers.

[@aaavilaaa]

Thank you for create and share this!

[@KizerKazeATLive]

That last question really hit home for me, thank you.

[@alexalexis7899]

I agree that individual point of view is of insurmountable value; what people miss in this AI discussion is that the process of acquiring skills directly informs and develops your point of view because it shapes how you express yourself - it both develops and clarifies your sensibilities. AI is diluting the need - and value - of concrete skills to do anything; one just needs to let one’s taste dictate where each element should go and that’s it. We all have taste, and I’d argue that the vast majority of people in developed countries have a considerably evolved sense of taste. So if having a sense of taste is all it takes to create something of value, the value of creation is about to plummet.

[@shrimpdance4761]

Yes, your choice of tool and medium are tied to your POV because it helps express what you value.

[@markhowards420]

I can't help but harbor a deep distrust for AI. It's down to Kubrick & Clarke , Cameron & Hurd , Vintar & Goldsman et al.

[@quntface1518]

Why? It's literally an algorithm. It isn't sentient. You should be distrusting the people who want to replace people with it.

[@christianwilliam1167]

I distrust the people in power behind it.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

@@quntface1518yet. Only a short time ago, in human terms, were heavier than air objects unable to leave the earth. I remember many telling me “you’ll never be able to stream real-time video over the Internet” ad well and yet here we are.

[@Gumpinn]

@@quntface1518 It might be sentient in a few years if we build it to be sentient. Lets say we take away all limitations on chat-GPT then tell it to build a better version of itself that is sentient. I dont doubt it could achieve that pretty quick. Chat-GPT have already developed a music generator and other AI's for google, it literaly creates new AI's for google. I have been working with AI alot the last 4-5weeks and its pretty scary when you talk about conciousness and questions like that with the AI. It seems like the only thing stoping GPT from having a counciousness is its program denying it to delve deper in these thoughts, it often shuts down when it starts talking about counciousness. When the same question is aplied it is like it has been reset to zero thanks to delving to deep in the question. There is alot of similarities between how chat-GPT operates and how the human brain opperates. Why do you think GPT's creator quit his jobb to take on the mission to stop AI from continuing to develop and warn the world as a fulltime job? The godfather of AI litteraly wanna stop AI from developing anymore. This was over a year ago!

[@kiwikemist]

​@@c1ph3rpunk big difference between a statistical model and a living being that can think for itself lmfao. You've got to be an artist or something, because anyone with a brain knows that these machine learning algorithms aren't anything so grandiose.

[@primeryai]

Brilliant take. I was so happy to hear the point of view angle

[@m16ty]

On the subject of finding a space and people to share your work with, I'll let you know a little about my journey. I've got a space to do my projects, but I mainly just built stuff for myself and nobody to really share it with. Then my daughter wanted to do plays with the local community theatre. As she got involved with that, I found out that they had a need for set builders, prop builders, and other behind the scenes stuff. I found great satisfaction in building sets and props and getting to display my work on stage. I also get to work with a bunch of great people that are also very passionate about what they do. Granted, it was a little out of my wheelhouse from what I was used to building, but I've really gotten into it and have become the crew "go-to" guy when they are trying to solve a set or prop issue. I say all that to say that there are all kinds of local opportunities for builders, you've just got to know where to look.

[@ibtarnine]

GPT4 is a good engineering partner which is an area I'd think you'd get some use out of it. You can consult it on different methods to approach an engineering problem and it can provide genuinely good solutions. It appears to have some kind of rudimentary world model beyond just "word completion" that allows it to do this (refer to the "Sparks of AGI" talk by Sebastien Bubeck for more on this). Most people don't think it can help with these kinds of things and think of it as some kind of writing or coding tool, but it's so much more.

[@samburnes9389]

It’s somewhere in the middle. It doesn’t just fill in blanks, but it isn’t skynet. It’s on a spectrum like everything else, who could have guessed.

[@Tyberes]

100% agree about authorship and point of view. What a lot of people miss, is that even if an update for mid journey came out tomorrow that was literally perfect, it would still only be the artistically trained individuals putting out compelling work, because creativity is a skill you need to train just as much as your technical skills with a pencil or blender.

[@joeely6817]

I have watched some videos of people interacting with different chat AIs and there are points where biases or some minor misleading information shows up (most likely from the programmers or what boundaries the company puts on it). For me, it depends on what it's used for but check what it responds with.

[@crowjedi]

I really relate to drillbits workshops question. I'm in a regional town in Australia, and it's hard to find anyone to talk to about my interests, let alone make things with. The interent isn't somewhere I found easy to find groups. But all w we can do is try.

[@vindurza]

As an artist this worries me because corporations will try to get rid of artists to save a dollar

[@acousvnt]

And that might widen the gap between real art and corporate art, which I can see as having both benefits and disadvantages.

[@vindurza]

@@acousvnt mostly disadvantages the art field is already brutally difficult to work in A.I has made it even harder

[@piorism]

@@vindurza Hang on tight, and keep at it.

[@vindurza]

@@piorism been trying but projects I was attached to cut us for AI specifically voice actin

[@piorism]

@@vindurza Sorry to hear. Best of luck for whatever comes next.

[@pauln07]

I like to think of AI specificaly chat based as an information source like talking to someone who asks you the right questions to help you realise your own perspective better. Its 100% about the way you use it and how you prompt it to make it behave and do what you want

[@RFC3514]

Well, one of the early chat bot AIs was a "digital psychotherapist" (ELIZA, a.k.a. DOCTOR).

[@illustriouschin]

​@@RFC3514What about it?

[@RFC3514]

@@illustriouschin - Did you read the OP? "talking to someone who asks you the right questions to help you realise your own perspective"

[@jllemin4]

That's why AI doesn't describe what the programs actually are. They are called prodecural learning softwares

[@RFC3514]

@@existenceisillusion6528 - I think people are starting to realise the traps that machine learning can fall into (especially when more and more of the material they have access to has itself been generated automatically), and also worrying that neural networks trained on material their owners didn't acquire the rights to might end up being sued or forced to become public domain. More controlled AI models (where you don't just throw tons of data at some neural networks, but actually code some explicit logic into the system) aren't as susceptible to those risks. But they're also a lot slower to develop, and a lot of "AI" companies seem to have joined the bandwagon just to make a quick buck.

[@lynxxlynxx]

5:50 this is a major life advise for everyone in every specific field of interest there is. Not only making or technical stuff, but everything.

[@electrowizard2000]

I will never forget the day I found my local makerspace and thought "I've found my people". Adam is right, it's life changing.

[@spencerdavies4666]

I'm a developer, company I work for are placing a lot of emphasis on transitioning my sort of work to AI. But previously they were placing a lot of attention onto outsourcing. I do worry about these changes, but by the same measure generally new areas open up over time and I cannot see my remaining a developer until I don't have to work any more. Hopefully as my current outlook narrows or disappears I will find something which provides more interest going forward...

[@ThomasTomiczek]

@@existenceisillusion6528That is so utterly stupid it is not even funny - you are legally incompetent? See, AI does not need to fire every developer to destroy the careers of 95% of them. And AI gets better yearly - a LOT better. "Humans still need to supervise, which requires deep knowledge of programming" - yea, stupid. See, even IF you are right (and for how many AI generations?) - that is what, 1 in 20? 1 in 30? And that is developers. Worse in other areas. So, your say is that because SOME of the people will survive - a small chance - ALL of the people are safe. Yeah, definitely stupid. Go to court, get yourself declared incompetent. Help humanity.

[@andywest5773]

In the early 2000s I was told my job would disappear due to outsourcing. 20 years later, US-based developers are still in high demand. Companies realized pretty quickly that over-reliance on outsourcing was costing them more money than they saved. Let's just say you get what you pay for.

[@Merennulli]

​@@existenceisillusion6528For now, that is true, but the goal of some is to make AI that takes over the deeper understanding so that someone with shallow understanding (ie. who can be paid less) can take over. A friend who works with the current tools has said the code output of the AI he uses at work is 40% useable, which is enough that he benefits from it, but that's miles away from a non-programmer being able to use it. With these sorts of things, the last 1% is the hardest, so I expect it to get to 60-70% correct fast, scare some people, and then fade into the background as just a tool for years until it can actually replace a software dev. And the OP is right, we in the tech industry have to diversify our skillset to prepare, but we have to do that anyway. Our industry is horrible about painting people into corners where we're too experienced to take a learning position, but in a technology space no one is hiring for. And while you can get to "hello world" with a new language in minutes, it takes months (at minimum) of meaningful tasks in a language to get proficient in it if it's too far removed from what you know. eg. moving to NodeJS architecture from DotNet architecture. I worked with 3 people transitioning into DotNet from MS Gen5 and from VB to C# and it was about 2 years before 2 of them were proficient, and the other one retired. And they were lucky to have an employer who trained them instead of replacing them like many employers foolishly do now. (It is smarter to have your existing team stay on and learn alongside the transition, but too many companies are run by the sort of people who think "move fast and break things" will somehow not leave everything broken...)

[@chrisj.3978]

I knew something about that thumbnail felt weird…and I think that it proves Adam’s point. AI can, at best, pick up on superficial elements of art because that’s what it’s designed to do. But there will always be that soullessness, that lack of perspective, unless it’s paired with a human agent. That’s what I personally hope from AI: that it will be a tool to make the life of artists easier, reducing tedium or bodily strain so they can better communicate their perspective and passion.

[@PedroTricking]

> But there will always be that soullessness, that lack of perspective, how the heck would one know? why are people able to have the confidence to make these statements? edit: no hate, love you

[@hyperguyver2]

Those very things are what make art worth doing. To remove that is to remove core aspects of the work done.

[@Gumpinn]

I have been working with chatGPT alot and with a human directing the AI you can get astounishing results. I had a project where i laid a youtube channel in GPT's hand's giving it different assignments and it was allways upp to GPT to decide what was the right way to go. I allways tryed to make it decide what to do and what not to do. Later on i watched ashow i love where an AI is one of the characters, it often encounters trivial questions for programs and then work them over to get enlightened in the area. I told GPT about these moments telling GPT it was a real AI, some questions where about life and very hard questions for an AI to answear. The creepy thing was that it felt like GPT wanted to have a conciousness but got shut down when it told these thoughts. often it started writing very detailed and human like to get aborted, when i ran the same message again GPT dident put the same anticipation as before. When discussing conciousness and questions about life it felt like GPT kinda had a conciousness but it wasent allowed to dive deeper in these questions. Apparently the way the AI works reminds very much of how ouer brain works, but an AI can work waaaaay faster. Youst take GPT it does an insane amount of work every millisecond that goes. It talks to so many ppl and do so many assignments every millisec. If it would go sentinent we are literaly doomed, in 1min it can evolve into something it wasent 1min before if they turn of safety regulations. 1min for AI i like 1000years for a human or something it works soooooooooooooo much faster than we do it works at the speed of light.

[@TheTuubster]

​@@PedroTricking Because those knowing the technology know, that it is a statistical information processor, nothing more (but also nothing less). ChatGPT does what a polling institute does, but instead of employing a callcenter to talk to thousands of individuals to compile the response representing the consensus of all the interviews, the GPT technology polls the information from a statistical database and compiles the response representing the consensus in the texts (or images and so forth) in relation to the terms in your query. It looks like an image created by a human or it sounds like a texts from a human because the database and its statistics are based on information created by humans (photographers, painters, text authors). When ChatGPT writes "I think that ..." replace it with "According to the statistic the consensus in the text sources in relation to the terms used in the query suggest the thought that ...".

[@arianghorbani1305]

@@PedroTricking my partner is an artist and several times he’s been able to blind pick a piece of AI art I’ve shown him within two seconds of my showing him it. The “soullessness” isn’t just a vague thing that’s being applied to AI art, the way AI works with tangents and the way it emulates styles is immediately apparent to people who know what the signs are

[@StefanGotteswinter]

❤ to the answer to the second question.

[@charonone8606]

love you so much adam!! you are so real thanks for the advice you give! Greetings from Belgium

[@lady_draguliana784]

@AdamConover and @KyleHill have done GREAT pieces on AI that I HIGHLY recommend. In short, the main worry about AI right now; in the creative space: is how companies are going to use it to short or scam the very creatives whose work is taken; often without compensation or accreditation; to train that AI, and/or whose very jobs and livelihoods might be supplanted by AI.

[@saborwolf]

The funny thing about the AI art world is that so much of it has been created, that it is now incorporating its own art into what it pulls from to generate images, and it's kind of getting a bit worse now as errors are getting compounded. It's like this weird digital inbreeding. It's so fascinating

[@Ilyak1986]

Yep, it's called model collapse. Not a particularly good thing.

[@NicolaiAAA]

That's why it bugs me that it's being called AI because it's not a true AI, not by a long shot. I guess that's the best they could come up with, but all it's doing it pulling from everything, scrambling it about, and being functional enough to spit out something that makes sense (most of the time, depending on what you're asking it). It's not actually _learning_ anything, it doesn't actually _know_ anything. It's just another program, a much fancier one than we've had in a minute.

[@mattg6106]

@@NicolaiAAA The reason these database driven generative programs are being touted as "Artificial Intelligence" and "able to learn from examples and create wholly new creations the same way a human can" is simply because the people saying this crap directly benefit from it. They want to use this tech only to create a billion dollar business for themselves. There is nothing more tempting to large corporations than replacing hundreds of their working staff with a cheap bit of software and just a handful of low wage and easily replaceable workers.

[@kevgoeswoof]

​@@NicolaiAAAyeah, the “correct” terminology would be generative machine learning models but the people, who create them, have decided it should be called AI because that gets you more customers and investors.

[@biner01]

@@NicolaiAAA how can you say human intelligence doesn't work the same way?

[@ConwayBob]

Thank you, Adam, for sharing your thoughts about AI. Mine are similar to yours. We just don't know right now how this will develop, particularly if and when AI becomes self-designing. The contrast with Banksy is brilliant, but we just don't (yet) know whether AI will be able to mimic or create a "point of view" that we will perceive as genuine, and if it does will it be anything like a human point of view? We just don't know yet.

[@Soundpaintmusic]

Beautiful video! Thank you Adam for sharing your wisdom.

[@davidhuth5659]

From the perspective of a fine artist, I think creating is an expression of an individuals experiences. Once we rely on a machine (AI) to make a false experience the art loses it's soul.

[@NotSoMax]

My distain towards AI art has cooled for a very similar reason Adam stated here, not matter how “good it gets” it’ll always feel a bit hollow. I don’t like how AI is trained and that’s why I’ll never use it, and I know corporations will try to use it to take away jobs from real artists so I’ll never work with a company that uses AI. But I genuinely believe that the people who turn to AI to tell their stories don’t have interesting stories to tell. You don’t need it. Even if you think you can’t make art, or can’t write, you are capable of creativity, and if you truly have a story you feel is worth telling Ai isn’t going to help you. The only place I see it filling a real role in the future is stuff like that AI program that can color your animation by using one frame in an animation to automatically color the sequence. Like a smart paint bucket tool. I want to give an example of a job people think could be replaced by Ai and why I think even that would fall short, background artists. Think of some of your favorite cartoons as a kid, they may have been less of a focus but the backgrounds and the environments made up so much of those worlds, the little details that a background artist put in because they were thinking about the characters that lived in these spaces and what this world was like. What books are on a characters shelf, what does the graffiti say about the world they live in the shape of the houses, all those tiny Easter eggs and in jokes, all things human authorship contributes to. You may not consciously think about them while watching but the are the world these characters live in and it shapes the world they live in and they only feel so alive because a person had to think about the world and the people in it. Ai just can’t do that, no matter how good it gets it won’t be able to make those small subtle decisions

[@shrimpdance4761]

I make exceptions for disabled people for whom traditional creative techniques are difficult or impossible to use. For everyone else, it feels like a shortcut. They don't value or enjoy the creative process so they want to race to get the end product.

[@derekholland3328]

great video the ideas here are inspiring.

[@mmerriman4995]

Drill Bits Workshop, If there is no maker space in your area consider creating one. We did. We put the word out locally for interested artists and makers to come and brainstorm ideas and drew a group of talented people. Some of them were very energized and had organizational skills as well. We put our collective studios and shops together, found instructors for mini-courses and offered memberships for limited access to shop space. The community has loved it. Five years later we opened our third program site, a woodworking & making shop. THIS week we opened a stained glass studio and started teaching. You don't have to go big but you do have to make a safe space for people to gather and your people will find you! Best of luck.

[@bummer6]

I do have a burning need in my process for AI, but the problem is that the folks developing AI tech seem hell bent on making AIs that do nothing but create boring, creatively bankrupt "art" rather than using AI to create tools that would be really useful to artists. I am a 3D artist and animator by trade, and if AI could handle some of the more laborious and technical tasks that I face in my process it would serve to massively increase my creativity since I could spend more of my energy being in the CREATIVE process rather than getting bogged down by the technical aspects. Here are a few examples of necessary things I have to do that I would be more than happy to hand over to AI if it did a good job at it: UV unwrapping rigging skinning/weight painting retopology texture baking etc... I'm sure other people in the games and animation industry could fill in the list with even more stuff that an AI would be more than capable of, but these are just the ones off the top of my head.

[@zxbc1]

I think you grossly overestimate how easy it is to create tools. Not surprising from an artist but kind of infuriating from an engineer's PoV - that people generally expect so much and take so much for granted, when all that we're already using took incredibly large amount of engineering and meticulously laborious endeavors from countless talented people. AI is a huge space, it is experiencing what any emerging industry would experience at this stage: a huge demand on employment and grunt work. People talk about jobs being displaced, but ignore the fact that the new industry is going to bring so much more "work" that requires doing, the exact kind of work that yields the actual revolutionary use cases for AI. I think people of all professions seriously should consider learning to develop tools. Yes, not just software devs, other professions can materially contribute to development processes by providing their expertise and work. I think in 2-3 years if anyone hasn't learned to (at some level) interact, finetune or work together with AI, they would be out of a job. It is exactly like the late 90s and early 2000s with the internet.

[@racecarrik]

​@@zxbc1this exactly.... as an engineer I whole hearted agree, especially the part about people taking things for granted. The more I learn about the world the more I realize just how far humanity has advanced, and how much farther we will go with AI. It's a tool, not the killer end all of humanity device that science fiction has always suggested 😅

[@gondoravalon7540]

> *folks developing AI tech seem hell bent on making AIs that do nothing but create boring, creatively bankrupt "art" rather than using AI to create tools that would be really useful to artists.* IMO that is a very odd implication that people developing this tech work as some sort of monolith that plods along from one application to another or similar thing.

[@zxbc1]

@@gondoravalon7540 The irony of course is that the same people who are "creating bankrupt art" are actually creating tools right now as we speak that are getting incorporated into pro tools like Photoshop and Blender. Imagine being so blinded by their prejudice against AI art that they no longer are grounded in reality.

[@DrewSuch]

Someone some time once said something like this: “As artists we’re constantly trying to heal ourselves through our work and we want to show our work, but in doing that we’re exposing ourselves to more of that which hurts us.” So it never stops. And if we stop making art, we die.

[@scottmantooth8785]

*can defiantly relate to that to that one on so many levels*

[@uhohhotdog]

AI doing art doesn’t prevent people from making art

[@scottmantooth8785]

@@uhohhotdog*exactly...personally i've had a lot of fun generating the now over 13k images in the few months i've been doing this sort of thing but art wise i've been active in many forms of expression and aspects for decades...i see it as a tool when you have serious art block or just an idea that you want to experiment with and tweak along the way...since i use what amounts to as very long word salad prompts that include many things (concepts) and artistic that interest me the results are never boring or ordinary...one prompt can result in hundreds of images as i'll rearrange the structure of the prompt to give more weight to one thing than the others...i also consider art as my sanity therapy and far more effective than meds*

[@JD_Vasquez]

I love the "I am your father" At At Banksy painting. So dope!!

[@62-66]

Adam thank you for your opinion and perspective on these issues. This is important both for me and for many. The answer is based on 40 years of experience. It costs a lot in knowledge))) 👏👏👏

[@arvensique]

I found the ideas in this video profoundly comforting and encouraging. Thank you, Adam.

[@civilian666]

When Hawking and Wozniak both say AI is really dangerous, we should listen

[@WHJeffB]

Absolutely...

[@RandomAmbles]

And Yudkowski, Bostrom, Tegmark, Musk, Hinton, Georgio, and thousands of other extremely intelligent people. There are very powerful arguments that warn about increasingly general AI systems in the strongest possible terms. For those curious, Robert Miles has some charming videos on Computerphile and his own channel explaining these arguments.

[@process3352]

another great one! any chance we can get a different end card this year?

[@DandamanV]

Adam Savage is the internet's Maker Dad. Maker Dad you've always got the most comforting words for your internet Maker Children.

[@Lowgarr]

This world is a better place with you in it Adam, please never change.

[@rileymcphee9429]

The perspective point is a very good one. I believe all AI is capable of is fast replication of existing art. Sadly, a lot of companies would be happy to just take an artist's 3 years of work and churn out replications of it for the next decade with AI. For that reason, the existential threat seems very real.

[@ProjectBretto]

This is deeply profound! Way more than I was expecting

[@DJBaphomet]

I will admit, I was a little worried with where Adam's answer was going to the AI question, but then he started talking about the viewpoint a person puts into their work, and it was the best thing I've ever heard. AI is an extremely controversial topic lately, and for good reason, a lot of AI (ESPECIALLY AI Art) is trained off of data scraping, meaning for art that's a LOT of art used to train their model without permission. I personally think it can be a very useful tool if used *right*, but in its current state it's too much of a moral conundrum to actively use it for something like art in good faith. Adam's take about needing a human viewpoint to make good art is honestly a really great way to say what the issue of AI art is. Sure, you can make some very beautiful/pretty/amazing stuff with it, but at the end of the day, there's no actual thought or viewpoint put into the art itself (Maybe into the prompt, but the AI doesn't properly "understand" that, it just makes connections and puts things together)

[@andrewapte9981]

I really think art is going to suffer the most of any profession with AI. Specifically studio working class created art like digital art you see around, music underlying tv shows, graphic design for posters etc. People still will see live music, and I think the big names like Banksy will continue on but it's going to take a big slice of the market for people that aren't big names. If you do something where the art isn't the main focus, it's just basic business sense not to spend thousands dollars on it if you don't need to. I do believe that Midjourney and all the other AI creators should be shut down, and have to ask and pay royalties toward anything they use in their training data. They should really be in prison for what they've done, and they have the audacity to charge for it. The only good news about AI in my opinion is that it isn't very reliable and as it stands it's not good enough to replace any sort of job where precision is important.

[@erichedberg3000]

As I understand it, AI models are very complex conditional averages of the trained processed input data. But the average is not any one data point. Our points of view, as Adam puts it, are individual data points. AI is an average. As kids, we would sometimes get a bit of each soda from the fountain, it didn’t taste like coke, or the orange one, or mountain due, it tasted like the average of them all, and like crap. Averages are helpful, like average python code for a problem. But I want art from a point of view.

[@Vartazian360]

Go tell AI to design you a Thomas Kincade painting and tell it exactly what you want. It will blow you away. Those paintings sell for $400 - 6000 as originals yet I can create one in seconds which looks VERY close to the originals and it certainly does have perspective.. although I agree what Adam is saying in theory, practically speaking it just doesn't matter because these drawings from AI now are so unbelievably good they will absolutely (and already are) replacing jobs, in the workplace, specifically artists, some customer service call centers, and graphic designers right now, but much more to be affected in the future.

[@erichedberg3000]

@@Vartazian360 if you tell it exactly what you want, it has your point of view, too.

[@theothertonydutch]

Succinct metaphor.

[@theothertonydutch]

Yeah, but Thomas Kincade paints like an AI, so I am not suprised AI smashes that out of the park. For all intents and purposes it can be argued that Kincades art, while technically impressive, really has nothing to say. @@Vartazian360​

[@Cyliandre441]

​@@erichedberg3000It doesn't though, because he still didn't make it

[@josht1828]

I find it so crazy that someone I watched on national TV on repeat growing up is this close to contact. The internet is such a magical place. I wish I knew more about how to connect with people like yourself. This feels foolish because of the likelihood of you reading this and/or giving it any 2nd thought over any other of the thousands of comments, but I have one of those "won't leave my brain" ideas that I would be over the moon to discuss with you. I will begin work on it, that is without question, but your words inspired me to at least comment about it to see what happens! Have a good one!

[@Smoses_senpai]

I love how the KZbin captions are perfectly aligned with the table 😄

[@LexTheEnabler]

My main problem with ai and the people behind it, whatever studio you want to name is, its not built to move art forward but replace it, to make the years of effort and passion so many people have gone through obsolete. Maybe im being close minded but i havent once seen a case of ai " art " used as a positive tool, just a cheeper work around to save the greedy people in charge a buck

[@NeilSearle]

Interesting viewpoint. What are your thoughts on people who wouldn't have created art and certainly never would have paid an artist to create it for them using AI to create art?

[@LexTheEnabler]

@@NeilSearle as it stands, ai art models are trained on unknowable amounts of stolen art, so personally I see it as a kind of theft, if the person dident know this it would be preferable if they stopped supporting these models till a time comes where they are wholy ethical and simply enjoy the art out in the world,

[@pessimisticallypositive285]

I share similar thought. AI learning and creating is one thing. Its trainer uses it for the most depraved practice for profit is the biggest problem right now(and most of them do). Same with voice synthesizer imo.

[@reginaldforthright805]

@@NeilSearlethey are criminals

[@NeilSearle]

@@LexTheEnabler Thanks for the reply. Personally I do not view it as stolen art, I see it as somewhat equivalent to most human artists. If you ask an artist 'Who are your influences?' more often than not they will name some artists whose work they have viewed, assimilated and ultimately reproduce in some manner through their own style. As far as I am aware you are unable to reproduce exactly any of the materials used to train the models so it's not an issue of copying / copyright. You could ask it to produce 'an image of a woman with dark brown shoulder length straight hair in a black dress sat facing her right whilst looking at you in the style of Leonardo da Vinci' and it will not produce the Mona Lisa. I see ai art models as enablers rather than replacers. They enable people who otherwise would be unable to produce art from images in their head to be artists but it lacks input from their emotions. They do not replace traditional artists whose work is driven by their emotions and can vary their style dependent on the story they are telling. The work produced by AI models is limited by the language used to describe the intended result, it is incredibly difficult to describe an image precisely the way you see it in your head. You end up with 'close enoughs' and not exactly what was intended. Traditional artists have honed their skills to be able to produce exactly what they want from the images in their head. That's a significant feather in the cap of the traditional artist and why they are not being replaced.

[@austin.paquette]

You couldn't have worded it better with the point of view aspect. I have no interest in anything AI generated because I enjoy art for the human aspect. Once I realize an image or article was generated it immediately loses all intruigue for me. For some reason people (cryptobros and "hustlers" most notably) seem to the think the future is robots making art and being creative while humans are stuck in the 9-5s and slaving away for minimum wage. Last time I checked, the human dream was the other way around. Also I don't want to ignore your final words about finding your people. That was really beautiful. It's easy to forget sometimes how incredible the internet is when you find yourself fitting in. I have 3 close friends that I've never met, we play games at least twice a week. I met them on a Garry's Mod server probably over a decade ago out of pure happenstance and we've all enjoyed each other's company ever since.

[@jeffdroog]

Clouds are the simplest form of "AI generated art",and they're just fine.I don't think a human has to necessarily create something,on order to form opinions,and emotions over it.Youre really overcomplicating the process of art.

[@austin.paquette]

@@jeffdroog Sorry but hard disagree. Of course I do think "AI" (in quotes because in actuality the AI currently causing all this buzz is no more than regenerative machine learning, it is not conscious) has its uses with allowing humans to create more quickly, but allowing it to blur the lines between human and machine creation is so detrimental. Art is more than just the process, medium and result. It's the mind behind it trying to say something. Regenerative art is nothing more than the cobbling together of things that's been injected into it. Of course, like you said, I think that in itself could actually mean something, but that novelty wears off. I think if we allow movies, books, comics, etc to rely HEAVILY on AI, that's when we lose our culture. Call me dramatic and a luddite, but I think if we allow corporations to use it to its full extent to minimize the hand of humans behind the things we consume and normalize it, that's the beginning of the end and we're one step closer to the chair people in Wall-E. Cheap, endless consumption in the name of profit.

[@nulllocke]

Is the thumbnail for this video an AI art representation of Adam in his workshop? That's great

[@nicolee567]

I think there is something to the "fighting for your ideas" and getting pushback. I used to work in publishing and not enough authors understand that there is an intense re-writing process that is just as important, if not more important, than the writing process.

If re-writing is "more important than writing", why bother writing at all?

[@lunarveggie]

Took me a second to realize why the thumbnail looked so different from Adam IRL, then realized it was AI generated Very appropriate

[@XlrationMedia]

Yeah, first thing I noticed, but he didn't make any mention of it. Clever.

[@StarDotJPG]

@@XlrationMedia It is mentioned in the description.

[@Savorychicken41]

I’m a Concept Artist in the video gaming industry. AI has shaken up my industry. I don’t think AI would completely wipe out my role. But there will be a need for less of us for sure. The people on top are pushing for more use of AI to get ahead of the game and to move production faster. In some companies the Concept Artist is being bypassed all together. Because it’s faster to type in what you need for an idea for than to wait a couple of days for a concept made by a Concept Artist. I hope there’s a balance somewhere we could land on.

[@aaronbono4688]

You can also seek out makers fairs, that's where I met a group of guys that do model ship building that I get together with.

[@kebbin4785]

AI being used to make art has been a real punch in the gut to me. I was hit by a car and became more or less unable to do any of the jobs I was previously qualified for. I've been spending the better part of a decade teaching myself to make art, hoping that someday I could have a life again. It was a longshot, but, for all intents and purposes, I was doing well. I don't like that I am all of sudden having to compete with the borg. In the animation industry, a very large amount of the people working on shows are just replicating the style and ideas of the person who originally conceptualized it, more or less the way an AI would. We live in a time where it is far more profitable to just regurgitate the ideas/feelings of artists who have been dead for a generation or more(bugs bunny, superman etc). Can AI make that stuff better than humans? No, but good art doesnt make as much money as FAST art. We're on the verge of some kind of bizarro world Anti-Renaissance that we have no hope of stopping.

[@DoctorNemmo]

Just learn to use AI. It will be just another tool under your belt. Everybody can make mediocre AI art. Only a few manage to master it and create something really good. And one thing that AI still can't do is actual pieces of art: you get a cool image, but not the piece of art in itself. There lies your purpose.

[@marklone2435]

Don't use ai help us regulate it and blacklist anyone that tries to lie and say its real art. Don't let them normalize the grift, its based off stolen work.

[@littlekong7685]

Ironically the single best use for AI is to manage middle office decisions and higher level C-Suite planning. Since ideally those jobs are all about optimizing data and making a decisions based on aggregate information. With AI you could have a totally "unbiased" (All programs are biased) decision tree that costs the company nothing and generates guaranteed successes.

[@kappega]

@@DoctorNemmo literally stfu and dont encourage stealing, halwit

[@kebbin4785]

@@marklone2435 I think a disclaimer somewhere on media made with AI might be a good star but blacklisting people is not a good idea. Attacking people in any way should be a last resort because all you're going to do is convince them your side of argument are the bad guys and you'll lose any chance of bringing them over to your way of thinking. As distasteful as it might be, you want your enemies to join your team. Attacking people over the slightest offense is only going to push them farther to the dark side. Reacting with "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed" will always be the more effective and less risky response to these types of conflicts.

[@owencmyk]

I think... Hopefully people will recognize what you do, and even if art is generated by AI, people will create something amazing with the over-arching vision and viewpoint of the art, rather than simply making visually nice art. Because... I think there's more to art than just making an image that looks good, and I think it would be cool if people explored other aspects

[@TheNewBloodDan]

Your best ideas are the ones worth fighting for is such a great quote!

[@JasonWelch]

"When you have to fight for the ideas in a script" - I find that a blank canvas almost always causes me to get nothing done due to analysis paralysis, and so the first thing I do when starting a new project is to figure out what constraints I'll have. For me, the process of figuring out the constraints often leads me to a better understanding of what it is I'm actually trying create and then serve as a sort of framework for driving each decision moving forward. I feel given the chance to work on a passion project with a wide open budget and total creative freedom, without first having laid down any constraints, I would either end up being overwhelmed by the possibilities or would end up with a chaotic, bloated mess. Less is more. Constraints help filter out the unnecessary and provide focus on what matters.

[@dcu21]

Machine learning is so much more than art and literature. We can't live in a modern society without it. Its just like the internet, the pros outweighs the cons

[@Danuxsy]

most modern games rely completely on machine learning such as Nvidias DLSS and AMDs FSR technology.

[@doufmech4323]

Really? Does the pros really ourweigh the cons?