What Are Conservatives Thinking!?!

[@BrianHoldsworth]

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[@chuckoneil6533]

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[@jamesms4]

No, they(the people in your thumb nail) are not Catholics. Of course they are "Conservatives". Conservative is a nebulous political term. In the 19th century a conservative believed in Monarchies as the preferred form of government and a "Liberal" believe in representative republics. Today the purpose of the current conservative political force it to stop the Progressive Communists in their tracts. That is their function. Once that succeeds we can go back to traditional Lib vs Con politics and opposition....

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[@kbm5134]

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[@pinochet3698]

We should not be conserving GDP, but religion, culture, people, land, beauty, goodness, order, virtue, family, and strength.

[@187Zaidan]

who the hail conserves GDP?

[@threeriversforge1997]

This is exactly why I tell folks to get on places like Subscribe Star and GiveSendGo to support conservative craftsmen. We can't complain about all this nastiness when we're also refusing to kick a buck to people trying to make a difference. Culture is the collection of a million little things that set your group apart from 'the other', and like anything else, it requires constant work to maintain. We need to tend our garden from the root to the bloom, celebrating in much the same way the Shakers did. We can see how they had a huge impact on the world... and it was through the work of their hands. We can do better, but it's work. It's a lifetime commitment. And it means making tough calls. People will be mean to you, but there have always been snakes in the grass whispering their nefarious words.

[@christophersnedeker]

Amen

[@Pumpkinshire]

Most conservatives are conserving a world built by liberals in the 60s

[@joshuadspeer]

I used to work in conservative political media, and you nailed it right on the head. “What are we conserving?” That is the question I had to ask myself, and the answer was that I could no longer identify with conservatism. I realized I was a traditionalist, which was actually before my conversion to Catholicism. It goes without saying that opened a whole new can of worms.

[@Jessc1992]

I have continued to refer to myself a conservative, and to those who say they're conservative but are not conserving anything, the "you do you" crowd, I just call them liberals. It's basically what they are

[@RayMack-xz7xg]

I think most conservatives are traditionalists and don't realize it, there are some conservatives who believe themselves to be so but are actually libertarians, and there are libertarians who l a r p as conservatives but would be called infiltrators (by those conservatives who are actually traditionalists) or controlled opposition.

[@Desi_Midget]

​@@Jessc1992right on the money. I don't like the term traditionalist because that just means you like traditions even if they're pagan or destructive. I identity as a conservative because I know what I am conserving is good, moral and divine.' Conservative' is a broad term because you may conserve a lot of different things, that's why I think a more apt term should be 'christian conservatism'. And yes, a lot of people, who the left labels as conservative, are just classical liberals or as Michael Knowles calls them 'libs'.

[@Dhavroch]

Are you talking about traditionalist in the Guenon, Schuon and others sense of the term? Like there’s a primordial tradition of which all authentic traditions are expressions?

[@RayMack-xz7xg]

Conserving c0ntr0ll3d 0pp0siti0n.

[@capraagricola]

"Conservatives couldn't even conserve the women's bathroom" -- Vox Day

[@MrChuckthebuckNorris]

Oh no the Supreme dork lord !!!!!!

[@Kamalatowing]

I don't listen to people who run and hide in other countries.

[@CyberFighter-hu7xo]

Women women women women women women women women

[@vivimaze]

My husband's reaction to the calendar was "what are you conserving"

[@citycrusher9308]

''what are you conserving'' - Men's right to ogle pictures of sexy gals. Just like our rights to sit out on our lawns or go for walks or or fly kites, or any other harmless activity that brings us joy. (you are welcome)

[@stuntman083]

definately not pants

[@thatsfunny2051]

Their paycheques

[@martinszabo4341]

That calendar had several shots that were basically soft porn. Degrading women by objectifying them isn't going to help much. I was really disappointed that Riley Gaines took that path.

[@thephotoandthestory]

I am hardly a moral paragon but it is all a grift. There is clearly social and economic chaos and cultural upheaval. Rather than building solutions or community, as a whole it is easier to get behind very strong willed and bold people who often are quite insulated and as such the feed on and profit from the chaos. Donald Trump is emblematic of this. He is seen by many Americans as a life raft for people to cling to in the tumult stirred up by the Left. The irony is that Trump is largely amoral. He is a boomer who has embraced materialism and sexual libertinism. He doesn't really have any guiding principles. The Right has elevated personalities who merely point out the destruction, but rarely offer solutions. Candace Owens and Jack Posobiec are some of the worst in this regard. It's everyone for themselves, watching everything burn hoping to make a buck.

[@Jkp1321]

In all polities within this Overton Window, "conservative" just means "Liberalism according to which decade I prefer". To be truly Conservative would be best described as Traditionalist or Reactionary

[@Quekksilber]

I get what you are trying to say, but one thing I always find bothersome with those who try to structure their lives according to a living tradition is that they call themselves traditionalists. This is because the first Vatican Council condemns an error it calls traditionalism. It's different than what people mean by it today, but I think it is the same sloppy use of language as when people call modern Catholics modernists. I think postliberal is a good term, traditional is a good term, reactionary only in the sense when it applies to principles that order one's life, as there is no real going back within history.

[@igorlopes7589]

​@@Quekksilber"There is no going back within history" Europe literally came back to a more primitive state for centuries after Rome fell.

[@RayMack-xz7xg]

​@@QuekksilberIt was the rationalistic approach to traditionalism and thus that product which was condemned at Vatican I. In fact, what Vatican I did not condemn was the advancement of Traditionalisk that was found in a Hermeneutic of Continuity stretching from 1st century Sacred Scripture + Sacred Tradition + the Councils from Nicaea through Trent.

[@RayMack-xz7xg]

And one can go back in history - the "Age of Reason" or Rationalism, condemned by Vat I, went back to the Platonic and Socratic ideas on a Republic, etc. If that can be done, and Traditionalists so desire, I imagine in 75-100 or so years at least elected monarchies could return, en masse.

[@shaunwaddell1717]

And if by Traditionalism you mean Burkeanism, then you are right in the same boat it's just that your revolutionary liberalism is the 1680s and not the 1980s

[@huntsman528]

I dont think conservative anywhere means "Christian". As a Christian, the reason I dont look at corn isn't because I am a conservative, it is because I love God more than it.

[@ZephaniahL]

Corn is delicious, and when paired with broccoli and lima beans, offers a good accompaniment to barbequed chicken. You should look at it with a clean conscience.

[@huntsman528]

@ZephaniahL thanks. Replace the c with a p. Just trying not to trigger filters.

[@generalrelativity5795]

@@ZephaniahL 🤣💀

[@calebmanuel17]

@@ZephaniahLcorn is a conservative

[@moledaddy]

I haven't been conservative for a long time. I want to restore, not conserve. What I want to restore existed long before 1776.

[@edpie7759]

Should we start calling ourselves restoratives instead of conservatives, then? Serious question. The more I think about what I would like to conserve, the less I think pumping the breaks on the way down the slippery slope was ever a viable strategy and the more I think that those who seem to be very progressive and even dishonest conservatives are really being sincere but are more interested in the orthopraxis of slow development than in sticking to certain traditional things.

[@EspadaKing777]

​@@edpie7759'Restorationist' I think had a better ring to it, but your point stands 😁

[@moledaddy]

@@edpie7759 I usually just go with traditionalist since I want to restore the traditions of Christendom. Restorationist would work too. I've come to the same conclusion about trying to conserve culture as progressives drag it over a cliff. I thought sodomite marriage was a Rubicon we would never cross. Seeing the entire culture roll over like a congressional staffer for Obergefell shattered my desire to conserve anything. It changed my view about the entire American system all the way back to the founding.

[@Strive1974]

So you want to have religious rights suppressed and taxation without representation? That was before 1776 no?

[@moledaddy]

@@Strive1974 lol, you mean you think you HAVE representation?! You think religious rights AREN'T suppressed?! HA! Very funny

[@Jerome616]

The “conservative woman” calendar incident really reminded me of the difference between Catholic theology and conservative ideology. One is immutable, the other is constantly shifting.

[@alexgalbraith7480]

Catholic theology shifts too, unfortunately. The Church has gone from no salvation outside the Catholic Church to the plan of salvation includes others who acknowledge the Creator, first in line of which are Muslims apparently. They completely changed the Mass, which from what I read in the past by Saint Pius V was meant to be held and available to any priest for all time and now they even bless gay couples. I've been fortunate enough to attend a good number of times a Church under the institute of Christ the king performing the Tridentine Mass and I've also been to a number of novus ordo Masses and honestly, they are almost like different religions. Catholics can't sit on their high horse anymore.

[@Metanoia000]

Conservatism isn’t even shifting, it was just hijacked by non conservatives

[@michaelbarry1664]

@alexgalbraith7480 The only “high horse” that Catholics have ever sat on is being the one true Church founded by Christ. That has always been and will always remain the truth.

[@Metanoia000]

@@alexgalbraith7480 you seem to have a flawed understanding of Catholic Church teaching

[@alexgalbraith7480]

​@@michaelbarry1664 Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the blessing of homosexual couples has got to be a mortal sin. The Church/Pope has allowed priests to do this, which will directly result in people going to Hell if carried out. It was my understanding that the Church, being guided by the Holy Spirit, could never teach doctrines in its official capacity that would directly result in condemning people to Hell. Sort of like a safeguard for the Church is how I heard it be explained so that you never needed to worry that what the Church instructs will condemn you. So, how have gay blessings been permitted? If it is truly the one Church and guided by the Holy Spirit, how has Francis been allowed to contradict all Holy Scripture and tradition on this?

[@JD-yu3dk]

As an American I’m less concerned about what is “conservative “ as much as concern as what is “Catholic”. Catholic identity is a dumpster fire lately. I don’t care about the concerns of the political labels and social wars meant to keep us on the partisan hamster wheels.

[@notloki3377]

catholic identity has been a dumpster fire for 400 years.

[@joemerino3243]

@@notloki3377 Yes, but it just hit the gas barrels.

[@notloki3377]

@@joemerino3243 no, that's just the world.

[@eugenetswong]

@@notloki3377I'm out of the loop. What happened 400 years ago?

[@vicgrefer]

@@eugenetswong protestant reformation

[@RJ-pb1qx]

The conservative 'movement' lately is secular conservatism, not Christian conservatism. There is quite a difference that people like charlie kirk don't see.

[@johnbenedictxviii]

Exactly, even TPUSA's mission statement is very secular in nature: "our goal is to empower students to promote freedom, free markets, and limited government." As if those are the only things that go into a healthy and stable society.

[@dylankhweziradebe7659]

An interesting thing that John Doyle once said was that conservatism only seeks to conserve a previous form of liberalism. Conservatives are just Liberals but 20 years ago.

[@bigol9223]

lol attributing that to John Doyle

[@IG88AAA]

What I found astonishing was Dennis Prager’s comment that abortion before a certain point in a pregnancy is only homicide and is okay with him. And after a certain point is murder. He stated it was more important to him that the United States remain unified than for the federal government to ban abortion. He said all this on a podcast with Tim Poole.

[@bdragon1445]

Prager is one of the worst faux-conservatives out there. He's Jewish, not Christian, and everything he does supports political division instead of unity.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Prager also said that it’s not wrong for a married man to look at a little p0rn. Matt Fradd pushed back hard on that garbage. And of course according to Prager, Israel can do no wrong…

[@bobby5678-ck2tc]

Well he is jewish what else do you expect from the people who have been turning our Christian countries into degenerate hellholes. They gave rise to the nazis in Germany because of weimar now we just have weimar all over the west. This will give rise to huge ultra nationalistic probably military dictatorships.

[@NeverSaySandwich1]

That man is not Christian and can't be trusted

[@rubenmartinez4346]

Also his view on pornography is disgusting….

[@PsychoBible]

Boom! Where people stand on sexuality is my litmus test for conservative.

[@MarkAntony-l7s]

Finally someone who thinks the same as me!

[@gradientcube]

​@@MarkAntony-l7shalf of you people probably got some skeletons in your closets

[@zora8263]

​@user-ut7eg3xs2wagreed, except i'm pretty sure Blaire White doesn't identify as conservative, just right wing.

[@476429]

You should also remember that there are Ayn Rand conservatives. They have no religion and generally adhere to an objectivist ideology. They have no problem with pin-up calendars or many other things disliked by conservatives with a strong moral and/or religious framework.

[@kennethduckworth7111]

They are atheists and dollar idolatrists.

[@BindingTheYoke]

The funny thing about orderliness is that it is a virtue inclined to holiness, society is disjointed and chaotic because it is inclined to sin. Collectively most are in the handbasket and don't even care, thinking themselves good people while promoting objectively immoral things.

[@Anthonyj.Manttan]

Policy would probably work itself out if we focused more on our hearts

[@BindingTheYoke]

the heart is a treacherous thing who can discern it?@@Anthonyj.Manttan

[@mattramos998]

Not really sure Dave Rubin would call himself a conservative. He almost always refers to himself as a classical liberal. Tim Pool, Joe Rogan and a whole litany of other influencers fall into that category.

[@johnbenedictxviii]

That's true but a lot of self-described conservatives simp for these people. Like after Rubin announced that he and his "husband" became fathers, he was almost immediately congratulated by The Blaze and Prager U

[@Deviousmendez]

That doesn't make them conservative. I think anybody who calls themselves a conservative will applaud a liberal who comes in good faith. For instance Destiny is someone conservatives disagree with but they respect him due to his good faith arguments. Unlike, Vaush or Hasan Piker who are sophists. A recent admission to those who can have a civilized argument is Anna Kasperian as she's spoken with Ben Shapiro and others including PBD.

[@bigol9223]

What he should call himself, rather than liberal or conservative, is a spineless grifter. His opinions are generally determined by whatever he detects is in the air at the moment, what will be controversial enough to get attention while still retaining his self-identified-conservative fanbase.

[@GregoryMcElhaney]

How bout just good tasting beer , no center folds , no sponsors, no celebs . Just good beer. Belgium beer made by monks !

[@racheljames7]

Oh yes. And white wine made by French nuns! 🍻 🥂

[@joanl.7543]

I think Yuengling is pretty clean of politics. Not sure about any calendars. But it's made in Pennsylvania; very local.

[@lloydbraun6026]

Not sure if it’s still there (it was in 2001) but in NYC there was a tavern called Burp Castle run by brewist monks. The music played was Gregorian chants

[@hansblitz7770]

Yuengling had record sales in 23'.

[@nulixity6711]

⁠@@joanl.7543Yuengling is pretty damn good as well

[@lucdubras]

To be right-wing in 9 points by The Distributist is very helpful on this.

[@PauperPeccator]

Dave mentioned!

[@springinfialta106]

​@@PauperPeccator @lucdubras. Auron MacIntyre should also be mentioned

[@markinvt]

There is no conservative movement without the Bible. Removing God from the public square has spilled over into removing Him from the family, which has in turn led to the coarsening of our society and culture, and ultimately will lead to the downfall of our civilization.

[@Brandoloian]

I read an article a few years ago back, that from a biblical perspective the American political system can be summed up, in the Golden Calf Worship. Both parties and ideologies are both on the same side of anti-nationalism, anti-populism, and anti-traditionalism.

[@catholic_tradition]

Moreover, the calendar was specifically marketed to dads. Btw, I am a libertarian (politically speaking), and many of us are actually very socially conservative. Great video

[@threeriversforge1997]

This is something that I've written about extensively. As an amateur historian of the Traditional Trades, it amazes me how people will complain about how we don't build nice cathedrals any more.... all the while refusing to support the very craftsmen who would be called upon to build those cathedrals. People flock to the antiques stores to shop for something from "The Times Before", things they openly admit were built to last, built with quality in mind, at the same time that they're going out and voting for the policies, laws, and taxes that crush any chance for a small business to stay in business. Folks put their boys through four years of wood shop in high school without ever thinking it's a bit odd when there are no wood shops in town for them to apply those skills in gainful employment. In short, we don't "Tend The Garden" and then complain about how there's no bountiful harvest. The garden analogy is important because it can be applied to the person but also scaled up to the family, neighborhood, city, or nation. Conservatism means that you 'conserve', obviously, but folks have forgotten what that means. Contrary to popular thought, it's not about sticking to the "old ways" because they are the old ways and you're just a stick in the mud. Rather, it's about conserving your energy, not running around making rash decisions. You do stick to the old ways, but it's because you know that they work. You're open to new ways, but recognize that you need to go slowly about it because you simply cannot possibly know the pitfalls and problems of that new way. You don't jump forward with both feet and a pocket full of hope. Your great great grandfather tilled the ground and established a garden. He taught his son who taught his son who taught his son.... Now, you might think that you know better, that you can change how things are done, but you won't know if your idea will work until you try it. That doesn't mean you upend the whole garden and start from scratch because then you won't have any harvest at all. A garden requires a fence to keep things out. A garden requires that you pull the weeds. A garden is meant only for the benefit of the family and those you choose, which necessarily means some will be excluded. You will face criticism. There will always be snakes in the grass ready to call you names or insist that they know better if only you'd listen to them. Your job is to hold the line, remain steadfast, and conserve. Look to how your ancestors handled things because you know that worked. You can see the outcome of their actions. Conservatives today are just "leftist-lite". They do everything that the other side does, just a little late to the party. They watch the same movies and tv shows. They wear the same clothes. They use the same slang and listen to the same music. Where is the culture of the conservative? Over the last 50 generations, what have they conserved? In short, the conservatives didn't 'Tend Their Garden'. They instead listened to the snakes in the grass because they didn't want to be called names. They didn't recognize that there were those out there who honestly hated them. They wanted to foolishly believe that everyone was the same and would come to the light if only they were shown. You see this even with the missionary work churches do, happy to step over their own suffering people so they can fly off to some tropical destination and 'help' those who are "more needy". It's Telescopic Philanthropy and every bit as evil today as it was in the 1800's when that term was coined. But still the 'conservatives' do it. For a good illustration of this in the modern world, we can look to the Muslims, Jews, Amish and Mennonites. They preserve their cultures. They walk the walk. They put their own people first, and don't hesitate to discriminate against outsiders. That doesn't mean they don't move with the times. They aren't stuck in the stone age, by any means, but they also don't brook nonsense from outsiders. Some more than others, sure, but you can see the results of their conservative ways. As a blacksmith, I think this hits home because I hear the same common tale from every craftsman I run into -- everyone says they want a return to the days when we built things to last, but then they want it at third-world prices. They say things are too expensive, but they vote for the policies and taxes and "minimum wage" nonsense that makes things more expensive. Boys'll spend all that time in shop class while they're in high school, only to graduate and have nowhere to go. Sure, some might enjoy building houses, but how many houses do you really need in your town? What about those kids who want to build tables or clocks or anything other than work on cars and throw up yet another cheap house? They say that politics is downstream of culture, but what culture do conservatives have? What music are you known for? What clothing? What architecture? When's the last time you bought a custom skirt from the local seamstress? Nothing fancy, just something sized to you, with big pockets, that looked pretty? How can we expect girls to work in traditional skills when there is no market for those skills because all the women are shopping at the big box stores for exactly what they saw some famous woman wearing? How many tailors are there in town today? Most of them are gone simply because the customers ran to Walmart where they could save a dollar. Franchise stores are the only option because small mom-n-pop stores simply cannot get the traction or deal with all the taxes and regulations piled on them. Culture is the collection of a million little things that set your group apart from the other groups. As Brian notes, conservatives have given up the ground, always retreating when someone calls them a mean name. So here we are. The "woke" have no problem discriminating against those outside their tribe. Studies have proven this time and again. But those same studies have shown that conservatives will happily trade with anyone. What this means over the long term is that conservatives shoot themselves in the foot because nobody wants to be on a team that doesn't put their own teammates first. If conservatism had a motto, it'd be "Every man for himself, and the devil take the hindmost!" Over time, this lack of discernment means that the leftist 'woke' types have the upperhand and will naturally come out victorious because they have the most support. Think about that.

[@jvaughnp]

Well said 3 rivers forge. Tend the garden. Suport craftways, folkways, pious ways. Homesteading is one Benedict option. True community can be restored in a subsidiarian way not via political parties.

[@draguigirl8388]

Thank you! So true. We need to fight for what works, what is right.

[@arlitahidalgo982]

Wow! You’re so right about that! I’m guilty as charged!😫 so I refrain from calling myself conservative bec I don’t even know what that means sometimes…maybe write a book for starters you seem to have a knack for calling it what it is…God bless!

[@threeriversforge1997]

@@arlitahidalgo982 Thank you for your very kind words. Don't fear that you're alone because we're all on this path together and learning as we go. The key, I think, is starting to act Intentionally. Every little decision should be made through the lens of whether or not it helps "the cause". We need to think strategically and for the long term. That can be hard for us because we want immediate results, but we have to be honest with ourselves and understand that this is a lifetime commitment just like the Good Book says. We try every day. Some times, that might cause us to think in weird ways, but that's okay. Throughout all of history, armies have studied their enemies and learned from them. When they saw a tactic that worked, they adopted it as their own, modified it to fit their ways, and deployed it effectively against the opposition. We need to borrow a page from the leftist/woke playbook and attack the problem from every angle. I often tell folks that if they can't bring themselves to cancel their Netflix subscription, that's okay. But as a "penance", how about kicking a dollar to some creative type on Subscribe Star or Give Send Go? By supporting those platforms, we are building up the competition to the leftist-controlled crowd funding sites, and we're strengthening our base. That's a classic "two prong attack" that we know works because it's always worked. It feels a little weird to think like that, but we have to get used to doing just that. A one-dollar penance tacked on to a fifteen dollar monthly subscription is not a burden to anyone that can afford their Netflix subscription, but all of those individual dollars can add up to a significant uptick in support for our base, our culture. As they teach us, you can never know where someone will end up in a decade or three, so you need to build that sense of teamwork and loyalty early rather than late. The small guy you help today just might turn out to be the Governor in twenty years. We've certainly seen that happen plenty of times, haven't we? And when we Tend The Garden, isn't it common sense that you protect the seedlings first and foremost? How did we forget that? Why did we become so enamored of the bloom that we forgot the roots?

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

@@threeriversforge1997 You should seriously write a book called “Tend the Garden: How to Rebuild a Wholesome and Lasting Society in a Decadent and Unsustainable World.” The leftists and hippies in my deep blue city understand the importance of buying local and supporting businesses that promote their values and patronizing farmer’s markets. A lot of “conservatives” seem to be totally fine shopping and dining at the chain stores and consuming mass media entertainment. Or they are duped into thinking country music isn’t just pop music with twang.

[@ericlefevre7741]

You can write a whole book on this (and many books have been written on this), but there are actually four factions that are described by the media as "Conservative" 1. Religious conservatives 2. Classical Liberals / libertarians (basically leftists who either drifted or were forced rightward as the Revolution came after things they held sacred) 3. Secular conservatives, people who just want to be left alone 4. Nationalist conservatives

[@DewiiEsq]

Prior to the 1960s, “conservatives” were only the social conservatives who aligned with traditionalists like Russell Kirk following in the original line of thought from Burke. During the 1960s William F Buckley and his National Review ilk, built “movement conservatism” which was a fusion between the anti-communist neocons, the social conservatives, and the base libertarian wing. The whole coalition eventually just became known as conservatism. However, it was always the free market libertarians who held the helm of this coalition, eventually leading to the loss of the culture war and the rise of this base conservatism that Brian is speaking about here.

[@themainmanborah]

You would be surprised about how many socialists (former Trotskyites) led this movement.

[@SNormandis]

A conservative should conserve first of all christian moral values, however on the economic level conservative policies can differ a bit; but the defense of christian values is mandatory. Coherence is rare among conservatives however; I follow other catholic content creators and I came to know one of them through her work with Students for Life and her inspired speeches to the youth about living in the Truth of Jesus: well, lately in her channel Dave Rubin has become regular guest: correct me if I'm wrong, the guy is gay, pro choice and ordered children via surrogates... meh...

[@davidjarry7471]

In the American context: conservative really means classical liberalism which is more focused on economic issues and freedom to pursue whatever. What we call conservative, people in Europe and Latin America call it liberal. What we call liberal, they call socialist. What they call conservative, we don’t actually have because that’s all bound up with monarchy, aristocracy etc. For the folks in Canada, they have the Tory tradition which is more conservative than what Americans have.

[@michaelliverani9440]

I have friends who, like yourself Brian, are Canadian. They, too, are mystified by what is going on in the United States. I, as an American, am too. Conservative and Liberal are now just labels that indicate opposition to the stand taken by the other side on any given issue, in my opinion. Just like Democrat and Republican no longer have meaning. What we now have is a uniparty that only follows the dollar as their underlying principle. There are a few outliers who don’t belong to this group who are persecuted by both sides.

[@billrupert7560]

Brian subtly building the case for the third position without explicitly saying it and I'm here for it

[@ShiniGuraiJoker]

You mean for a Christian theocracy or as close as it can be? Yeah I caught that and am glad he isn't an American citizen to vote.

[@LionHeartsDiscipleship]

I think we need to get rid of the whole 'conservative' label. Most of what conservatives were trying to conserve has been lost. Conservative leaders have failed again and again. We need a new movement that is unapologetically united around the kingship of Christ.

[@nerychristian]

Christian Nationalism

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

Even our deist founders took a pragmatic view of Christianity. They knew that pious or self managed people were needed to make this amount of freedom work. I am a Christian but look at the pragmatic view on why people “should” believe. The social disorder in cities is the result of non believing people. “They’ll believe in anything”. This is not working for them either. Post. Modernism doesn’t work. People are finding this out. We have to call out the government in dividing us. Things like “Christian Nationalism”, QANON, tracking Catholics that attend Latin masses, etc.

[@mrjgilbert]

@@nerychristianI don’t know your stance on this (so not an attack) but Christian Nationalism is definitely not the answer. The power-grubbers who would (and already do) use the trappings of Christianity to amass wealth and power would be insatiable. If Jesus’ teachings on the Kingdom of God was about an earthly nation state theocracy, he would have accepted the offers to be made king in his day. This doesn’t mean disengaging from society (another pitfall), but we need to be weary of Christian Nationalism and its ends-justify-the-means calls for ostracism, wealth and power hoarding, selfish tribalism, and violence. To my fellow Christians, let’s focus less on the siren song of power and channel that into being good neighbors, helping the least of these, and living lives of repentance. And let’s pray for leaders who value these things too.

[@nerychristian]

@@mrjgilbert Well in a sense, we already have a Christian Nationalist party. One could say that the Republican party is that thing, or at least, many people wish it to be that thing. And if we are already praying for and voting for politicians who claim to be in favor of Christian values, then we might as well go in all the way. Are you saying that if 50 politicians suddenly all vowed to govern based on Christian principals, that you wouldn't vote for them?

[@Lovebeingateacher]

As usual, Brian you are spot on. Love your definition of a conservative.

[@GregoryMcElhaney]

Brian , voice of reason. Thank you.

[@larstiranos]

Liberalism (neo or otherwise) Conservatism (neo or otherwise) are materialistic philosophies.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

True

[@Sweetness71775]

Exactly! You cannot be political if you are a Christian because you're ascribing godhood to government. We call that a violation of the 1st Commandment. For Christians to be Biblically consistent, we must be anarchists and Voluntaryists.

[@markfennell1167]

That is incorrect. Conservatism is conservatism from the soul. It is from the deepest beliefs. Of course you are physical existence and your material world are important in all of this But conservatives are operating because they desire, personal freedom, kindness, love, and above all civility

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@@markfennell1167 ambiguous terms, and therefore ambiguous goals, if not properly defined and mirrored to a higher purpose and ultimate higher truth.

[@tommore8303]

Excellent. Communities are families of families. Healthy families is the only possible foundation for life.

[@jameskrontz4246]

Brian, I love to watch your videos. Even though I am an evangelical Christian I still find so much truth in your videos. I appreciate the thoughtfulness that is exhibited in each of your videos. As an American conservative I deeply appreciate this video. I am so deeply concerned with the road that my party has chosen to travel down. Wokeism is such a danger to free society, but the rage of populism is masking the reality of the danger. American populism has become a caricature of conservatism propped up by a wave of rage that I fear will have far reaching consequences and result in the ultimate downfall of our American experiment. PLEASE continue doing what you are doing, and I would love more videos like this one. We need voices like yours in our world today or freedom may not exist for our children!

[@sitka49]

your concerned ?The party, the church has always change to the winds of social recourse. Look no farther on the church stance of on birth control. ( started slowly) Only in 1930 did Pope Pius XI cede that non-procreative sex wasn’t necessarily sinful, ( now it's picking up speed) and Pope Paul VI, in the 1968 ( because with the advent of the oral contraception they had to come up with the catholic alternative for BC, to keep young couples in the pews - which is somewhat hypocrisy) encyclical Humanae Vitae (On the Regulation of Birth), went so far as to say married couples could intentionally seek to avoid pregnancy."NFP enables a couple to engage in sexual relations while intentionally minimising the possibility of conceiving. That is, by definition, a form of contraception. It is, however, not in accordance with Humanae Vitae section 14, which uses such terms as "absolutely excluded" and "intrinsically wrong", and specifically rejects the idea of temporary contraception during a married life that otherwise involves procreation as normal. See for yourself: www.vatican.va/cont… "Oh yes, we very deliberately and carefully ensured that we could have sex regularly without getting pregnant, for years, but we don't believe in intentionally separating sex from procreation."

[@bl00zjammer]

What exactly is "Wokeism?"

[@CrestviewCutters]

Wokeism is truly the most dangerous trend in our society. Even Pope Francis recognized that in his comments on gender ideology, though that is of course only one stick in that unholy bundle of social pathologies.

[@piage84]

Wokeism is just being empathetic and caring about someone else's issues even if they don't affect you directly. Basically it means to be a nice person. That's what woke means. How can wokeism, meaning being a nice person, be a danger for society??

[@rekindlefitness]

Brilliant video!

[@Madkingstoe]

One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was from a family member who suggested I stop identifying myself under a particular label, for example calling myself a Conservative, because that automatically associated me with a group. I may disagree with others in that group - I may even dislike people in that group - but I'll be judged alongside them (and we often even feel a tendency to defend eachother because we're so frequently attacked and criticized for our views that we want to protect anyone we consider an ally or champion of the Right). Although I am a conservative person there are many people on the "Right" who have views I certainly object to, but they would call themselves conservative too.

[@moledaddy]

It's bad advice. It is important to give things names. That's how you define what things are and what they aren't. That includes worldviews. Just be really careful to put the right name to it. For example, I was conservative. When the culture enthroned filthy sodomite degeneracy I recognized I couldn't conserve that. So I stopped being conservative. I now want to restore traditions that we have lost. So I'm a traditionalist.

[@threeriversforge1997]

The problem there is that you're only adding to the conflict. Sure, there are folks "on the right" that you don't agree with.... but what groups don't have issues? We can all say the same thing about family members, but they're still family. The biggest issue I've seen over this lifetime has been how self-destructive conservatives are. You either agree with me entirely, or we can't be on the same team. What that does, though, is breed conflict and distrust because we've all learned just how fast our compatriots will abandon us if things are even the lest bit inconvenient. You're conservative. It's seen in your actions, so you can bet that those on the other side will work to destroy you. They don't care what you think about other conservatives because they lump you all together as "the enemy". This doesn't mean that you have to agree with all other conservatives in perfect lockstep, but that it would be wise to maintain a public front of solidarity and fraternity. Any problems should be addressed in private. You'd expect this in a business, and appreciate it in the family setting, so extending it to the whole "culture" isn't much of a stretch. As Brian notes, a house divided cannot stand. Don't be the guy who adds to the division.

[@darrenyoder5114]

So good. So correct. Thank you so much.

[@slelgan2]

well said.

[@JohnnyCarthief]

Who cares? Are you the arbiter of conservatism? What are YOUR qualifications? Who appointed you? Are you an ineffectual divider? What is the unifying principle? “You’re not conservative enough.” Is not it.

[@marysexton7283]

Australia has produced BLUEY - the best family building show out. It builds family. My 93 year old father even watches it each day.

[@trad-lite]

Our family LOVES BLUEY! 💙

[@Dram1984]

I’m waiting and dreading when they inevitably start injecting woke nonsense into it.

[@utah20gflyer76]

My 3 year old watches it every day. I haven’t seen anything objectionable yet.

[@OtterloopB]

I hope they don't ruin it. Bluey's one of the best things out there. Great art direction. Great music. Great characters. So much fun, and so many great lessons.

[@GustafUNL]

Amazing video, everything was very eloquent and well stated. First video I've seen of you, but I'll subscribe.

[@maria1125]

Agree....I knew this all along. Thanks for confirming

[@newtexan1]

You are absolutely correct

[@thephotoandthestory]

I'm a "social conservative ", ex Democrat....I guess.. I hate what the "own the liberals" crowd have done. Everything is for entertainment now.

[@TitoBandito6]

I came here to say something similar. A lot of these guys, particularly Rubin, do come across more as capitalists. And by that I mean they’re businessmen capitalizing on a niche in media which is gaining in popularity during the Biden administration. They don’t even have to stand for anything Conservative. They can sit back with ease just pointing at the insanity of the Left, gaining viewers and revenue all the way.

[@Cleophis1975]

Personality over principles.

[@nukepineisland]

I've been thinking on this topic extensively lately. I was lucky enough to know my great grandfather well as a child (he was born around 1910) growing up in the Hazelton area of PA and he was a ardent conservative but also a man of deep faith of which service and charity were the fruit and central to his being. He ran "Meals on Wheels" for the area and he would take me or my siblings to participate and help. I remember him so clearly telling me "Danny these people need help and if we don't do it the government will step in and all they do is screw things up and people still won't get help, we go out to show we take care of each other not because a law says we have to through our taxes but because we choose to for our love and compassion for our fellow human beings." So to my great grandfather basically a secular conservative didn't exist or shouldn't or it was a fancy way of saying a person was a selfish turd.(not that he would use such language) He viewed our American republic and his faith as verbs, things that required actions. And people that demand absolute freedom for themselves while ignoring those shackled to misery in their midst ...a wise person would be very weary of that kind of messenger.

[@XLC-zd8dn]

You have grasped the modern conservative movement very well. Conservative politics today is a blend. Ideas from classical liberalism, libertarianism, fiscal conservatism, and social conservatives. The reason they can get along is the concept of individual rights versus the collective, individual freedoms, equality of opportunity and a perspective of individual responsibility which balances individual rights and freedoms.

[@mrjgilbert]

Thanks for being a voice in this space! Very well said.

[@lord_kinbote3920]

What has conservatism conserved?

[@vizuz]

Our inalienable human rights. Progressives hate the constitution and the concept of fundamental rights of the individual

[@minorityvoice9253]

Not much...

[@kennygee2715]

a tax rate that is 2 percent lower than it would have been. hahaha.

[@joanl.7543]

Surely not enough, but without a prominent and somewhat influential conservative movement we'd be Canada or Germany. We need more conserving no doubt, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water or pretend it's all been somehow futile.

[@RayMack-xz7xg]

Controlled opposition within its ranks?

[@rikhardfsoss]

calling conservatives to those characters is a huge stretch. in our days the so called conservatives are just liberals or progressists.

[@thefreeman8791]

I fully agree with everything that you are saying. I only have one disagreement. Lincoln was no conservative and him saying that a house divided can not stand is true but Lincoln was no friend of conservatism. The Republican Party was founded on the ideas of 19th century Socialism and Lincoln often echoed Marx. The Democrat Party has just outrun the Republican Party to the left. I vote Republican but that party is not conservative nor the answer to our problems.

[@Womb_to_Tomb_Apologetics]

Great points Brian!

[@ryansilich3366]

Well said! Around well done.

[@Texasbird026]

Well presented info. Thanks for taking the time to create. For whatever reason KZbin brought you up today. I am Protestant with Catholic roots, we are brothers in the faith. I will find the “tip jar” this week.

[@conrad4667]

Anyone who wants power or control over some one else...is wrong.

[@matthewmorrisdon5491]

Ever since Biden, everyone is becoming "conservative." I am a Texas Nationalist. #Texit

[@SenorCinema]

Nah. I voted for trump against Biden. But in the last few years I switched over to team Biden

[@matthewmorrisdon5491]

@@SenorCinema , Trump was a Democrat at one time. I personally didn't vote in '16 or 2020, but Biden stole the election so I am glad I didn't.

[@judgmentaltoast]

THANK YOU For speaking out!!!

[@jmh7977]

I enjoy your videos, Brian, and am subscribed (and have been for a bit now). We may have reached different theological conclusions (I am a confessional/conservative Lutheran), yet socially you are absolutely spot on. When I was younger, and before having my first child, my views were much more libertarian and "freedom no matter the costs" (having been a proud American). However, a love I never knew I was capable of has manifested in my view on God, my God-given vocations, and for my wife and children, and as you said, a fanatical protectionism of my family and of traditional family values have consequently become priority. And I'm not alone in having this epiphany and paradigm-shift. Yet, as young men statistically turn to tradition and conservative values for succor against a world gone mad, many are doing so divorced of the Church and of God, and this becomes nothing more than a problematic of tradition merely for its own sake... which devoid of God is pure folly.

[@dylanfox4239]

The word conservative in America doesn’t really mean “conservative”, rather “anti-progressive”

[@speavy]

And does progressive really mean progressive?

[@donotshowmyname9547]

it is not anti-progressive, it is just progressive of the last election cycle

[@MasterLu2]

Sad part about conservatives is that they are now battling wokeness as their enemy but sadly they have become “woke” in their own

[@ronmartinez2766]

Absolutely great analysis and conclusions. Thank you.

[@jbrown2905]

Very well presented, Brian. Thank you.

[@RomanArmy1]

Good points. Another problem I have is some who claim to be so-called "conservatives" but who embrace an almost anarchy in the economic sphere. How is excessive deregulation helpful for conserving family values? How is rhetorically denigrating the poor unfortunate person stuck at the bottom of the hierarchy through no fault of their own a "conservative" thing to be doing? How does it make sense to expect everyone to have equal ability and opportunity to become millionaires? It's the same egalitarian mindset of the far Left but applied differently.

[@fly.into.theblue]

Very well said.

[@zachlong5427]

Thank you for the video. Subscribed!

[@kimlevesque6103]

Agree 100%. Have happily contributed.

[@bodegabonsai7069]

Whenever I hear an argument for the family, I find a crucial element missing. It's not enough to have a husband and wife raising their children. The husband and wife have to be emotionally healthy. I and all my childhood friends grew up in nuclear families. All of us went on to create broken marriages, years in therapy, addictions, infidelity. And whatever children were the results of these marriages suffered greatly. Fucked up parents spawn fucked up kids. I have never heard this brought up when someone is extolling the virtues of the nuclear family. I wish I had grown up in a single-parent home. My mom was great. My father was a nightmare.

[@threeriversforge1997]

Nothing's easy, that's for sure.

[@markgraham2312]

a very well reasoned and presented piece.

[@user-tp4fr4ij1p]

Fanatically protecting the interests of the family. I like that.

[@stevenhandorf3145]

Excellent! Thank you, and I will try to help.

[@dallassegno]

It should be a dont ask dont tell culture. Because restrictions also damage society a bit much

[@garibaldisc]

Well said!

[@hismajesty6272]

My favorite conservative pundit of sorts is Michael Knowles, a devout Catholic. He often harps on the moral decay of the country, and that Christian values are the only way forward for society.

[@csongorarpad4670]

Godspeed, Mr. Holdsworth!

[@evelynmom2902]

God bless you, your family and all your work. ❤

[@CGflores]

Woke does not come from Karl Marx. It comes straight from the enlightenment. It’s a slow boil ideology that is rooted from the idea that the human being Can have reason without God.

[@SomeFinnishGuyJukka]

A telling example of the weirdness of modern "conservatism" was a video by Daily Wire where Jeremy Boering drove to a parking lot with a fancy sports car and almost ran over a person, and when he stepped out of the car he didn't even look towards that person, much less apologised or tried to help. It was supposed to look cool and edgy or something, but I think a conservative (or anyone, really) should behave like a gentleman or a lady, not like a bully. What kind of role model do you make of yourself? Does it really embody the "Judeo-Christian values" or something else?

[@evillink1]

A big portion of the American right is more concerned with a Libertarian worldview. They're more likely to have read Ayn Rand than the Bible, and they have basically elevated selfishness into a political philosophy.

[@bigol9223]

well that guy's totally out to lunch in a variety of disturbing ways

[@jaymaynes]

Here in the U.S. I would define conservatism this way. #1.Conservatives want to 'conserve' 'Jeffersonian Liberalism. #2. Want to 'conserve' 'Judeo-Christian Values.' That's my short answer.

[@bobdollaz3391]

Judeo Christian is the biggest oxymoron

[@joseph_mta5840]

Most of the American conservative movement is Protestant or evangelical which is why intellectually it’s not taken seriously.

[@clarekuehn4372]

Cui bono? AIPAC and other tribal members. "Conservative" is meaningless. Christian matters.

[@racheln4309]

THANK YOU

[@themainmanborah]

Great video - - and is 100% true.

[@Steve-wg3cr]

Well done, Brian. Just like many words and terms in our language, the word "conservative" can mean several different things and has evolved over time. There is religious conservatism, social conservativism, and political conservatism and probably several other types.

[@themainmanborah]

Religion, Society, and Politics are all inherently connected. If you are not "conservative" in all, you're conservative in none.

[@anonygent]

Economic.

[@etienneprinsloo6799]

You never see the Left tearing each other apart like this punter is doing. Where does it place him on the conservative scale? Far to the left.

[@jkellyid]

I think that reactionary terms like "Conservative" position people to just be opposed to something rather than for anything. Prager isn't conservative, he's just centrist. Rubin isn't conservative, he's progressive, hence the genetically engineered kids. Psychology isn't conservative, its fundamentally progressive, and so Peterson himself is a progressive. On and on. I think I really enjoyed the Benedict option, it really outlined how we must live formatively in our orthodox faith and not be defined by the progressive bent to the world.

[@jkellyid]

I think that we are gonna need to wake up to the war of words. Since the formation of the term "ideology" in the french enlightenment, we've been pitched in a battle where one party believes in the power of words to mean something, and the other party is bent on the power to subvert all meanings. Ideology and the "isms" are simply new pagan religious denominations wrapped in a intellectually decpetive frame meant to confound honest discourse and even thought. The Term "conservative" etymologically, metaphysically, is not a self defined as a noun, only as an adjective. Christians are not opposed to sin as much as they are for Christ. Being prudent and nice doesn't define you as being a Christian. Believing in Christ and living your life in pursuit of him is what makes you Christian. I vote according to the classical instruction of my mother church. Subsidiarity, justice, and law. That's what I cast my ballot for, not for some political slogan or contemptable pagan "ideology" left right or center. The "big tent" populism being branded as conservatism conserves nothing, stands for nothing, and only advances the problem at a slower rate if there is any "success" at all. Left, Right, theses "terms" are just different speeds of societal entropy.

[@christinereich6050]

Douglas Murray seems to dislike the Catholic faith immensely.

[@bigol9223]

He's more partial to judaism

[@LorenzoMasterConnector]

People are lame. This whole far right trash and propaganda acting like it’s “conservative” is really annoying. Unless they are devout Catholic/Orthodox Christian’s nothing they say is conservative at all actually.

[@anonygent]

Catholics and Orthodox Christians are far more liberal than the conservative Protestants of northwestern Europeans and their American descendants.

[@michaelikoro7305]

Thank you

[@gunslinger5132]

often I make the distinction of “you’re not conservative, you’re just Republican” I often ask “what are you conserving?” The amount of people claiming I’m conservative and are really no different from the culture but vote red.

[@joelalexander1413]

The constitution

[@anonygent]

The conservatives are more accurately termed the rebels these days because we're trying to restore what America used to be.

[@martytracey6205]

How right you are.

[@listsforthecurious]

Right on!

[@sengan2475]

I would highly recommend talking with Dave from the distributist youtube channel. He's a very intelligent thinker on the dissident right who makes similar criticisms of mainstream "conservatives". he's also Catholic

[@ryanziegler1410]

This made me want to stand up and clap. Bravo!

[@MrGoodwell]

Matt Walsh says this all the time.

[@baseballmomof8]

Walsh and Knowles are two sane Catholic voices in an insane world. Interesting that both (especially Walsh) grew up listening to Limbaugh. They learned much from him, but their Faith make both of them “men needed for these times.” Other than abortion, where Limbaugh was courageously pro-life, and euthanasia (Particularly in the case of Teri Schiavo) Limbaugh steered away from the cultural issues. It was a mercy for him that he does not have to live in these times.

[@bobdollaz3391]

​@@baseballmomof8 I didn't know they were Catholic

[@hismajesty6272]

And Michael Knowles.

[@PatrickHunter-hz2og]

We've fallen a long way from Edmund Burke, Tocqueville, Russell Kirk, T.S Eliot, etc.

[@rubenmartinez4346]

Spot on!

[@tru2thastyle]

Thank you for this!

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

You’re absolutely correct.

[@chucksolutions4579]

I am a Christian, everything else is secondary. I wear a uniform and do a job that might require me to die or kill for my country (I’m a part timer now), my other full time job could also take my life (firefighter). I am willing to die in service to others is my point. I remember CS Lewis famously stating in Screwtapes voice, “make the patient a Christian AND, it doesn’t matter what else. Eventually he will combine the two then we can separate the patient FROM his so called Christianity.” That has stuck with me. I am often roped into conservative positions and certainly have only voted democrat with there was no other option (based on the current platform of the last twenty years concerning abortion), but I know that I am no more attached to conservatives or republicans than they are to me.

[@utah20gflyer76]

It’s not enough to be a conservative because only some things from the past should be conserved. I like to think of myself as pro human which means I want to see the human species reach its full potential. This is going to require us to both conserve the best things from our past and add improvements that are badly needed.