What are experiences beyond the senses? | J. Krishnamurti

[@Liam-ke2hv]

One of my favourite talks from him, this was very impactful to me. I feel his pain, which is the pain of humanity. The pain of thousands of years of conditioning that is not understood, the pain of constantly building your own maze to get lost in. The pain of shouting into a void trying to lead horses to water that dont want to drink, despite the fact they're dying of thirst.

[@trapper1511]

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[@themarcomoreira]

In just 14 minutes a Mind Detox for a lifetime

[@agreenfield3820]

Total passion and love.

[@gregoryyoung5429]

Beautiful. Powerful.

[@valdirbergamobergamo5396]

He is correct. Children are taught tricks, they love that, the show cannot finish. And later, whole systems are created, similar people with similar thoughts and desires come together. Now, they have what to fight for : they created a nice daydream, and now they got a support from people that are afraid to be in silence, as they. Thanks for the video, good perception.

[@nolandolar]

I think in the last portion of the video, he was trying to point out that the Ego in us is constantly wanting and attached to external forms, but then he says there is a consciousness who is observing these thoughts or ego. That for me is enlightenment. Just observing the observer.

[@whollylife]

No more separation between the two. Once one simply observes 'what is' without an observer or ego positioning itself.

[@Living_universal]

Just like the way you started off your comment, “ I think” who think? So there’s the ego trying to find something to attach itself to , you must be like water take remain formless .

[@Anxh007]

@@Living_universal you wrote this comment without the activity of your brain? so its you who think

[@krox477]

Ego will always be there

[@danmoord375]

How he was able to bring that all to a close was beyond the senses.

[@chirag.photos]

On the very point | Sharp

[@nishantdongre]

A mind that is asking for experiences is still in state of being conditioned by the senses. And their is a mind that has no experience whatsoever.🙏🙏🙏

[@keithminus2681]

You are not difference the power is within each one of us

[@jeevanc610]

We really don't know that mind which has no experience or if it exists. Do you?

[@krharish6969]

Our living is only experiences. That is how we 'know' we exist. At a certain level of being, the issue is being identified with the experiences and a response that comes from memory rather than a fresh response that is an expression of the being - without intention or agenda

[@markbrad123]

It is possible to clear one's mind and body of fabricated conditioning(identification write over s)yet the difficulty may come from interpretative cognition of other's speech or impressions. How to be still and clear to others mind streams and not get swept away by the currents requires both attention and analysis. Even within a clear attention one may have hidden perception without awareness or mirror neurons. One may only be able to spot such patterns by switching off the senses to a point of nothingness that can spot it and end it at a new level of stillness and indifference to interpretative conditioning.

[@bhar11190]

Hey who are you to say all this?

[@wynstansmom829]

@@bhar11190 optizap may be describing his/her Introverted Intuition and the difficulty that this cognitive Dominant Driver in our function stack causes us as we attempt to stay grounded in a conversation or pay attention in class or at work. People who are Introverted Intuitives and Intuitives who bend a Ne will process information differently and that affects our ability to communicate in a clear and less ethereal pattern of speech. We tend to grab visual impressions and try to describe these because the six-word sentence that a Sensor like Hemingway clearly and creatively can convey eludes us. Cognitive disconnect. further reference. MBTI and or Socionics: reference to a personality typing model used in psychology and philosophy. Carl Jung. Kant.

[@Z.H.72]

No. That's the wrong point. Nothing must to be suppressed, etc. One must yes see one self as one is. He clearly explained in the Video. But we don't want to see it. We try to achieve always something and avoid us as we are.

[@quemaravilha]

The greatest

[@roytacleb8781]

He's the real life Jesus.

[@notyou4724]

Really..! If you really studied him his unique beyond humanity... He speaks what we all really think off, he just Question everything.. Just like I..

[@whollylife]

Exactly! Caught on camera for us ❤✌✌

[@evasteinlesberger3413]

Think he would, t like it

[@martinfranke8866]

Or!?.... Jiddu was Jesus ;) There is no such thing like Jesus or Jiddu, you must look deeper to see what speaks and understand what it hear. When you find this understanding, this truth about you and me and the speaker, you can lift a stone and find Jiddu, you and me or the speaker, or jesus ;)

[@MukeshAmbani_Mumbai]

Except Jesus didnt exist

[@tharunkumar3481]

True Magic

[@Aniketsingh25M]

Compassion for being made him cry

[@sinaya1211]

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[@dominiquedufaye-santoni7968]

Do you live like (about) K ?

[@TheBosorog]

you should add subtitles (in english), it's hard to understand him. And I realy want to understand this person

[@KFoundation]

Dragos Anghel Here's the transcript: 4th Question: People talk of experiences beyond the senses. There seems to be a fascination in such experiences but the lives of those who claim to have had them seem to be as mediocre as before. What are these experiences? Are these experiences part of enlightenment, or a step towards it? And so what is enlightenment? You like these kind of questions? It is strange, isn’t it? You are always talking about enlightenment, what you have said, what the speaker has said, what somebody has said. You never say, ‘Look, it is my life. I am in great pain, sorrow, this, how am I to resolve all that?’ - not what some idiot says. Everywhere the speaker has been, there have always been these kind of questions. Not - how shall I live in this world which is so corrupt, where there is no justice, and I am part of all that, what shall I do? You never ask those questions. And why don’t you? Why don’t we ask really a deep fundamental question about ourselves? Why is it we never ask: I don’t seem to have loved. I know all the descriptions of love, I know when I say to my friend, or my girl, or my wife, ‘I love you’ - I know it is not quite, quite, quite. I know it is sex, sensory, pleasure, desire, companionship. I know all that isn’t that bloom that flowers, that has beauty, that has greatness. But we want to know about enlightenment - why, if I may ask? Is it we are frightened to be, to uncover ourselves? - not to me. I am not your father confessor, or group therapist - I have a horror of all those things! If you ask yourself that question: why is it that I don’t ask the most deep, fundamental question about myself? Is it that we are frightened? Is it that we cannot bear to see what we are? The shoddiness, the ugliness, the pettiness, the vulgarity, the commonness, the mediocrity of it all - is that what we are frightened about? And if we discover what actually we are, we say, please help me, tell me what to do. (Laughs) The father figure comes into being then. So apparently we never face ourselves. We avoid it at any cost. And that is why we become so irrational. And that is why we are exploited by all these people. It is really a tragedy: grown up people - at least we think we are grown up - playing with all this, and not coming to the root of things, which is ourselves. We have to be forced, urged, compelled, pressurised, to face ourselves by somebody. And so we never, never under any circumstances face this thing. That is why there is no change in us. Since this question has been put I must answer it: People talk of experience beyond the senses. There seems to be a fascination in such experiences but the lives of those who claim to have had them seem as mediocre as before. What are these experiences? Are these experiences part of enlightenment, a step towards it? Can you bear me going on? You won’t turn… You know, life, the daily living of everyday, is a vast experience. Right? A tremendous experience: the joys, the pleasures, the anxieties, the burden of sorrow, the injustice round you, poverty, overpopulation, pollution, lack of energy - energy as petrol and in ourselves. This life is such a tremendously complex problem of experience - not problem, experience. And we are bored with it. We cannot face it. We don’t feel responsible for this. We separate ourselves from all this. And the separation is fallacious, unreal, irrational because we are that, we have created that, each one of us. We are part of all that. And we don’t want to face it. So being bored, being exhausted by these trivialities of life, then we go and ask somebody, pay him, initiate, beads, new name, and hope to have new experience. And you will, because when you want something you are going to get it, whether it is rational, irrational, sane or insane, it doesn’t matter. So first, there are… I will go into that presently - first we must understand the nature of our living, the daily living, the daily irritation, the daily angers, the daily boredom, the loneliness, the despair of this world. Instead of facing that, understanding it, clearing all that, we want super extrasensory experience beyond the senses, when we haven’t understood the activity of the senses, the daily responses of the senses. And there are those people who will give you experiences; it is all trickery, gadgetry. When one has really understood, lived, so that life, the everyday boredom, the loneliness, the ache of something better, when that is all understood, not intellectually, not verbally but cleansed, free of all that. That is to understand very clearly the sensory responses, how the sensory responses dominate, how they condition the mind. Right? And unaware of all that, unaware that one’s mind is conditioned, and from that conditioned state you are asking something more. And the man who promises you something more gives you according to his conditioning. He may say, ‘No, no. I am not conditioned. I am much more moral’. So what happens? If the decks are cleared - you understand that expression? - that is, when the foundation is laid, which is, no conflict, you have understood desire, pleasure, fear, sorrow - you are sloughing it off, that is your daily burden. Then you go beyond it, you will find a mind that is asking for experiences is still in the state of being conditioned by the senses. And there is a mind that has no experience whatsoever.

[@TheBosorog]

Thank you so very much

[@JayKotek]

Dragos Anghel Right

[@atman828]

Dragos, try several times listening to him, you will start understanding. He's so clear.

[@mikeydeshore3971]

read my comment above. you wont need subtitles after you experience what you are. the problem is we try and i had this. this cannot be merely understood intellectually. you are straining your mind your brain in trying to understand him. you have to experience beyond the mind first then his words you will understand first time without any effort.

[@sapindergrewal9760]

He stayed at nothingness and that's the only point choicelessness awareness or nothingness simple but most most difficult

[@sivasiva-hr4pr]

2:06 the way ive been thru and feel -

[@santiagomontero8971]

His level of understanding is far away for most people.

[@esmaeilpr6444]

Not most people but all humam being!!

[@Qworld00]

Those who are not conditioned don’t need to listen K. Only the conditioned listeners seekers seeks experiences beyond their senses. Or seeks enlightenment. And they will find it according to their conditioning and continue with what they already have.

[@Z.H.72]

In the society where we live is totally normal to be conditioned. Even in a remote tribal group they are also conditioned by their way of living, etc. There is nothing wrong to Listen someone. Not normal is to become a follower and worship.

[@MrAttitude45]

He is saying detachment is not the answer. Be aware of your desires, and then go through that. The key to understanding the beyond is to understand self. In other words what bhagwad Geeta says about karmyog. Live your life with righteousness, unbiased by sensory stimulations, do your duty. At some point the sense of self will go away and at that point journey to the beyond will begin.

[@dr.dhirajsinhamedicalconsu577]

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[@preethikrao]

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[@bhuwan.chaturvedi]

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[@poonamthakur2807]

Grateful to you sir. Am I right ? awareness is something when you can see your own thoughts and no thoughts,when there's nothing still there is something inside awakened who can see everything ,and it's the sight , please correct me if I am limited to my language this is what I see when I am completely attentive.

[@Living_universal]

You who is asking the question is a thought, awareness does not come and go but is aware of thoughts coming and going , remain as that which does not come and go. Also awareness cannot be something because for you to have something there must be nothing for it to exist in,and that nothingness is aware of itself. Ask yourself what do you mean when you say “I” any answer you find will not be it.

[@waspenterprise1]

The first 7 minutes are K at his coldest

[@preethikrao]

Not at all. He is just stating a fact.

[@mikeq5807]

Which is not at all cold, it's frank, honest and unpretentious. Normal behavior for evolved personalities.

[@Bijay406]

His words are deep hard to understand

[@Bijay406]

There is mind without existence, that mind only exists it has no end n no beginning and from that mind 6 senses called eyes,ears ,nose,skin ,tongue and brain are born and from that senses we experienced and perceive everything and this cycle repeats in all humanity so now we are conditioned. But reality is different in "one mind COUNCIOUsness existing everything by perceiving, "

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[@dp1453]

He knows french

[@pureintentions7]

Nothingness

[@cismifikriyat3940]

i think nobody really listens him. words like "pure love, guru, light etc" are meaningless. sometimes i really feel sorry about you people...

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