What are the prospects for Europe's largest economy? | DW Analysis

[@B.K.7.7.7]

High taxes, housing skyrocket, low salary = disaster...

[@DutchFR1908]

sounds like the netherlands

[@encabsss]

@@DutchFR1908and Canada too

[@terryj50]

Now you know why the uk voted out of the eu all that unskilled labour drove down salaries since the uk left the eu salaries are finally going up. Wage growth is going up where in Germany it’s very low now all that low skilled work that went to the uk will go to Germany and france. United Kingdom 6.5 7.2 % Belgium 6.33 9.03 % Cyprus 6.2 7.5 % Norway 6.06 5.06 % European Union 5.8 5.1 % Euro Area 5.3 4.6 % Ireland 4.6 4.5 % Sweden 4.3 4.2 % Spain 4.22 5.05 % France 4.2 4.6 % Finland 3.4 7.2 % Switzerland 1.8 1.8 % Germany 0.6 0.1 % Slovakia -0.6 -2 % Czech Republic -0.8 -2.8 % Iceland -1 2.6

[@dimapshen]

Can anybody name a place with different situation?

[@terryj50]

Got to love Brexit lol

[@AquaAdventure-o5v]

The psychological state of Germany is not much different from when I moved to Germany six years ago. Even then, I was surprised that a country which offers its people so much generated so much unhappiness among the public. I joined a large German company in a very desirable city. Employees were offered excellent work-life balance and facilities by our employer and significant worker protections, a clean environment, and healthcare by the government. Nonetheless, people were unhappy. The situation is even more bizarre in the former East German states, into which the federal government has pour billions of euros into building modern infrastructure and providing services to people.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

der Deutsche hat an und für sich eine starke Neigung zur Unzufriedenheit. Ich weiß nicht, wer von uns einen zufriedenen Landsmann kennt? ( Otto von Bismarck, 1878) the german has a strong tendency to discontent. I don't know anybody who knows a happy compatriot ( Otto v. Bismarck 1878) --- you see, discontent is part of our DNA!

[@lucasdeclauser1862]

Dann sind sie selber Schuld an ihrer Misere. Vom Heulen kommt nix​@@derKosmoprolet369

[@MSportsEngineering]

German infrastructure is garbage. Literally everything about DB is awful. Germany should look to Poland for how to properly run public transit.

[@Rmandxb]

I guess it’s a matte rod perspective. People who come from region that offer less are able to see how good it is in Germany. At the same time, the Germans know that there is room for improvement and they should rightly Chance that too. Progress should continue.

[@1610kai]

The major problem is always not the present, but the concern on the future, and the desperation of not really able to influence the future. Will you be still happy when you know you will gradually go bankrupt and the decision making people is only talking big words and not doing correct things.

[@edwardv1219]

Germany built its current economic model on globalization and the ability to cash in its demographic dividend. The problem is you only get to cash in that dividend once, and globalization is dead. Germany will have to come up with a different model and the ride will be very rough. Keeping in mind the German demographic is going to be something much smaller than before so their new model will not be able to recreate the recent past.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

They thought letting in millions of Syrians and other 3rd Worlders was a good idea 😂

[@farahabdulahi474]

@@Agtsmirnoff that would be the solution to a demographic decline

[@Agtsmirnoff]

@@farahabdulahi474 Import people with similar value system and high levels of education/skills, ideally ones that are phenotypically and culturally similar on top encourage the native population to have more children via economic incentives. Or just accept your population will shrink and find technological ways to cope with that? Why is that hard to understand?

[@jasonfanclub4267]

To what country would you leave if you decided to leave Germany?

[@santiagopayan2531]

Yes they will use the old European model, stilling resources from poor countries, why do you think they are rearming themselves hahaha.

[@svart7716]

Germany’s problem is structural. German economy is not keeping up with the new economy; digitalization and the new car technology.. it doesn’t attract the highly qualified professionals because of complicated bureaucracy and low wages. US is the magnet for world’s smartest engineers and IT professionals. You can be rich with your salary if you are qualified in US but not in Germany. Language is another hurdle. World’s brightest people speak already English and don’t or can’t learn German. Germany has been(still) making enormous sums of money of their beautiful and strong cars. But things have changed: almost everything is one way or the other digitalized and Germany is unfortunately hasn’t given enough consideration to this giant change. One single American car company(Tesla) has 3 times more market value than ALL the German cars combined. One Danish medicin company(novo nordisk) has more market value than all german car companies combined. Germans are innovative people but they have failed in the IT race. They will catch up only if their politicians start making a progress by investing in IT. One other problem is the highly skilled immigrants don’t feel safe and welcomed in Germany. Germany is unfortunately considered to be discriminatory. In US they don’t have “immigrant complex”. In US you feel that you are american but in Germany you feel like unwanted,unwelcomed immigrant. If you take a look at where these bright IT engineers in magnificent 7 companies’s employees come from you will see that majority of them are Asians, Middle Eastern, Eastern Europeans and Africans… Do something about it Germany! Don’t blame every failure on immigrants. Immigrants can be treasure for you(like in US) if you treat term well.. Hope the best for Germany and Europe.

[@HamzaalAbbasi]

I am a German of Indian origin and I am currently in process of leaving Germany for good. I know I am not welcomed here and neither accepted. Instead of decaying here I am trying to return to India😢

[@edi_edoardo1988]

Very true

[@mariusgusila7720]

true dude

[@ilikenika]

​@@HamzaalAbbasilets be honest you not going anywhere do you?

[@SimonMester]

When the hungarians are happier than you, something is wrong. Our main export is pessimism and alcohol.

[@farkasbertalan6651]

Kajakra 😂 Eze jottem nemetbe… nekem a boldogtalansag az eletem! Abba erzem jol magam, ezt szoktam meg :D

[@ChessPlayer78]

what about...Socialism,Communism, Nazism, Racism..etc

[@prajwal1341]

​@@ChessPlayer78better than Islamism.

[@NoctLightCloud]

​@@ChessPlayer78 tell me you've never been to Hungary without telling me you've never been to Hungary

[@IrenESorius]

@@ChessPlayer78 U forgot faschism,,

[@eyeofthetiger7]

Germany needs lower cost of energy, less regulations, better business climate that encourages people to start businesses and take risks. Germany is an industrial and innovative nation, and needs to get back to the fundamental principles that lead to that.

[@lwwells]

Germany burns more coal per capita than China. How much lower would you like the regulations?

[@here_we_go_again2571]

To put it simply Germany (and all of the EU) need less government regulation AS WELL AS less government poking its face into people's personal lives!

[@fanamlawuli6761]

You forgot the little issue of have USA troops there, is Germany really sovereign? I don't think so

[@zinjanthropus322]

German fundamentals require Germans. Can't work in a mixed state.

[@fanamlawuli6761]

@@willsmith7206 that's a fact

[@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland]

No vision - The same applies to the Netherlands, which is economically very dependent on Germany's economy well-being and also lacks any vision in politics!

[@lwwells]

Yet somehow when I walk the streets of NL strangers don’t glare at me like they want me dead, the transit system works, the streets are clean, and even the dogs are happier. 😊 Germany could learn some things from the Dutch.

[@asmirann3636]

​@@lwwells Are you Non-European?? Such hostility in Germany is usually only for Non-Europeans. Otherwise, Germans are just grumpy. They are grumpy to each other as well.

[@lwwells]

@@asmirann3636 I think that hostility comes from the bottomless pit of disappointment they feel in Germany.

[@renemichaelk]

@@asmirann3636 That's so true. Even as a German I only realized how negative people are when I moved abroad and met other people. There's also always a certain distance when you meet Germans. I've met strangers from other countries that are much more open about getting to know you.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

@@lwwells I don't think that germans are more hostile towards 'strangers ' than ( let's say) east europeans

[@thk4711]

Bureaucracy has paralyzed Germany. That is the single most important problem.

[@robwyyi]

What would help is DFB gets back to its winning ways.

[@vslsnd2320]

The old "bread and circuses" trick.

[@robert8764]

DFB will never win again..team will soon look like france

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

far right is literally more sane than neoliberal marxists "populist" .. i think calling everyone who dont agree with mentally insane ideologies of the left .. makes you the populist lol.....

[@dave_sic1365]

It would really do. Football is the best tool to cover up bad politics in Germany.

[@fandyllic1975]

It would be good to hear some data on income inequality. When stock markets are booming, but people on the ground feel insecure… income inequality is likely the reason.

[@philipmeisterl]

Because of some stuff that happens a few years ago people in germany dont buy stock even most of the rich dont

[@anonymermax9432]

Germany has a huge income inequality. There is the ginni coefficient ( something like that, it indicates income inequality) and germanys situation is pretty bad in this termns

[@tadeotentakel]

@@anonymermax9432 That's not quite right, there is no INCOME distribution problem in Germany. We are even below the average. The big problem in Germany is the distribution of WEALTH. We have one of the highest Gini values in the EU.

[@anonymermax9432]

Thanks for the correction. @@tadeotentakel

[@BoracayADMIRER]

The mood is worse than the reality.

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

The reality is Germany became wealthy off its demographic dividend and cheap gas powering its industry. The country is now getting older, the cheap gas is gone and Germany needs a substitute, either expensive American LNG or coal and this is after Germany decided to shutter its Nuclear plants and while its preaching the need for net 0.

[@AltIng9154]

Yes! 😊

[@Afsaroseli]

he siad that with a stright face too.

[@unixrebel]

its hard to build trust when they are lying about so many things

[@christianhansbach]

they are not really lying it's more that their Politics are bad. Sooo much tax and costs u contribute but getting - compared to other developed countries - not much from it. And this Green thinking should be realistic after all.

[@LarsaXL]

This, very much this.

[@Lobellien]

There are so much coruption in the goverment 😢

[@DavidRousseau75]

Energy is too expensive in the Eurozone. The economy competitiveness is not viable anymore.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Exactly. Europe's problem is energy. Conquering Russia is the only solution for cheap energy. Can't do everything with solar or nuclear.

[@mabl4746]

​@@zuzanazuscinova5209 Germany ending nuclear (after Fukushima 😂) despite unfriendly actions from Russia was truly silly. Germany tried to save world ( 0,7% GDP development aid/Promotion of democracy/fight against global warming), it is useless. Time to focus everything on Germany. When the climate changes other nations will suffer much more and then they will be forced to act anyway

[@heartofsteel7821]

​@@zuzanazuscinova5209how do you defeat Russia?

[@froschreiniger2639]

@@zuzanazuscinova5209 More like we shoot ourselves in the foot with energy planing. We put ideology before feasability. We should not have shut down nuclear.

[@dharmoslap]

Dependency on exports to China is huge issue for Germany, not just the price of energy.

[@ДмитрийТихонов-и1е]

Hats off to the USA. For the second time in history, they were able to plunge their Western European colonies into chaos. Truly brilliant work.

[@m.on.a.b.]

Living off welfare in Germany makes more economic sense thean working a low wage job. One of the reasons why the broad population is pissed off. Also basically unregulated mass immigration into the welfare systems makes the hard working middle class very angry.

[@rinmartell2678]

This is not true at all. Stop spreading this nonsense

[@m.on.a.b.]

@@rinmartell2678 ok so what is true?

[@HamzaalAbbasi]

Very true.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Most immigrants in Germany work. Plus, Germans have low fertility so they need the young immigrant workers for pensions

[@konstantinmanzhara9571]

No cheap fuel - no current economic model. From Russia with love ❤

[@ernstschwaig4667]

Scholz is the main reason for this pessimism. The public accepted that great changes are ahead, but the hesitant and half-hearted implementation are not going to convince anybody. Go big or go bust.

[@davis907]

The public doesnt want these overboard crazy green policies that no ther country has. The government parties are polling poorly because the public finally has realised that endless social gifts from the SPD and completley overblown green policies from the greens will drive germany in ruin.

[@duncan.o-vic]

He's just a current face of a long term neoliberal strategy.

[@ernstschwaig4667]

@@duncan.o-vic He is not a neoliberal politician. That's nonsense.

[@duncan.o-vic]

@@ernstschwaig4667 Then why is he working in neoliberal interests?

[@ernstschwaig4667]

@@duncan.o-vic Which of his politics are you referring to?

[@in_tasin]

DW has a personal problem with right 😂

[@danielprw512]

High energy costs is always a very very bad sign

[@cowubl]

Finalyy Dw started focus on own issues😅

[@robbiecooke272]

I think we all know what happened last time Germany went through serious austerity😬🙋🏻‍♂️

[@nettcologne9186]

Aha, what happened, when did that happen?

[@justsain3236]

France/poland best watchout.

[@ayushkumar-bg1xf]

@@nettcologne9186hitler started pusch

[@tamikovacs3887]

Of course, the situation is not ideal, but we are still living under awesome conditions here in Germany

[@dave_sic1365]

Those conditions were awesome 10 years ago. They are normal by now.

[@mat3714]

This is mostly a perception problem. Recent polls in the u.s says that most people have a negative outlook on the economy and general standards of living but also says that their personal economic outlook is good and could change job quickly if something happened.....problems are real, we need to build houses but we have a massive perception issue and I'm pretty sure that echo chambers and closed info loops are contributing a lot.

[@lorenzogumier7646]

Mainstream culture tends to be unfulfilled, lonely, awkward human relationships and if you take away a tiny bit of stability they are going to shake

[@jasonfanclub4267]

Awesome conditions 😂 my train was two hours too late for a distance that should just take 40 minutes by train and 20 minutes by car

[@floro7687]

Time to drop the "green" policy. No more pretending, no more idiocy.

[@amadeuz819]

You need to restart the coal plants because gas ain't that much better when you add all that leaks out into the calculation. Become energy independent by adding more solar/wind and improve the energy storage capability. Like it was dumb to remove the old before you had the new by becoming dependent on someone else. Whats done is done so maybe learn and produce your own energy, I think we managed to do it in Finland last year or is it this year and our winters are much colder needing more energy.

[@scratchy996]

Time to drop the bureaucracy. It's ridiculous how Germany has by far the most overstuffed , most expensive bureaucracy in the world.

[@b3drasse885]

German the 51State of US

[@NullTypeError]

wasn't that a UK?

[@teamtoken]

LOL and soon to be poorer than Mississippi

[@killininstinct343]

Sehr komisch wie alles was nicht Links-politisch ist sofort als Rechtsextrem abgestempelt wird. Ist leichter als dass man eine Diskussion versucht durchzuführen. Es wurde auch nichts über den Flüchtlingskrisen gesagt, was sehr wichtig ist und dafür sorgt, dass deutlich weniger Budget da ist für die Nationalen und korrekt immigrierten Einwohnern.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

wo Sie die "gesunde politische Mitte " verorten, kann ich mir vorstellen! Ihr "Weltbild " war gestern extrem, und ist es heute immer noch!

[@derKosmoprolet369]

sehr komisch ist auch Ihre Wortwahl, die ich hier nicht wiederholen kann, da sonst dieser Post garantiert nicht durchkommt

[@killininstinct343]

​@@derKosmoprolet369 👍

[@BOSNAMAGDURLARI]

Make children dare to establish family like before

[@killininstinct343]

@@BOSNAMAGDURLARI bruh the diversity people would lynch you for saying that.

[@arielkira8622]

Situation currently sucks. Personally, I don't feel this labour shortage, I'm an expat, a qualified person with a German PhD in biochemical engineering, fluent in three languages (including German), living in the German region that is supposed to have the most opportunities for prosperity in my area, yet I haven't been able to find a job for 2 years. I would have left long ago if my children hadn't settled here

[@dm9078]

Yeah folks keep doing what they are doing. Keep voting for the same visionless parties that have dug you into this hole. SPD-CDU/CSU two sides of the same coin.

[@NineDiamont]

The AfD is just claiming to help but what is their vision for the future? They have none..

[@bff6434]

The greens are worse

[@duncan.o-vic]

They're not visionless, they are doing exactly what they're supposed to do - take us to the dystopian neoliberal future.

[@sportlol]

You must be a bit blindflolded because the finance minister is from your beloved FDP and the economy minister is from the Greens. All have been as well voted, I would also include them in your basket.

[@superduper9357]

Why do mainstream media refer to anyone who is right of centre far right?

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

Mainstream Media has a vested interest in creating devision by demarcating easy to conceptualize groups and pitting their audiences against them. It'll keep them from reflecting or attempting to empathize with others.

[@patricklarsen8078]

I start worry when the German farmers start marching in sync.

[@johnfenechdoe3148]

My brother, you should try to minimize reading into these tings too much! I would worry about the US more than any other place!! That’s where the “marching in sync” is really taking place.

[@patricklarsen8078]

It was humor. German humor.

[@OZUndead]

Eeeeeerika

[@AquariumRuss]

@@patricklarsen8078 Machine gunner Vanya is just waiting for this...

[@dherko]

Germans: My government can’t accomplish anything! American: First time?

[@siddharthgoyal4008]

US is economically in much better shape than Germany. Germany is stagnating with no innovation US has opposite.

[@nettcologne9186]

It was primarily the CDU and its inaction that brought the country into this situation. And the nanny state already existed at the time of the 2008 financial crisis and not just since the pandemic. As far as the AfD is concerned, they want to abolish subsidies for farmers and Germany should leave the EU (a look at the UK after Brexit: there is now real poverty, dead inner cities, a catastrophic health system, completely ruined agriculture, zero investments, complete standstill). But it is true that the traffic light government lacks vision, or at least it does not share it with the citizens. The media in general could do a better job of clarifying things, like this video.

[@vinniechan]

UK still has a bigger GDP than France by some margin so Brexit or not doesn't have much to do with it Anyway just because a country has left the EU (rightly or wrongly) doesn't inform you anything or whether another country should follow the example for the very simple reason that we all have very different models

[@nettcologne9186]

@@vinniechanThe UK has failed and is doing exactly what the EU wants, the UK is a role taker and nothing else.

[@davidblank3297]

Omg as an expat now living in the U.S the best thing I ever did was leave germany

[@eurospec]

I hear this more and more from German expats

[@Goodman849]

Just out of curiosity would you feeling be the same if you left the Netherlands for the USA

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

​@@Goodman849 probably. Both of those places are socialist hellscapes.

[@brianhenry7983]

Why is America so much better? Asking as an American😅

[@mabl4746]

Germany is not dead yet. Most important: get demographics in order.

[@mechalovessquirrels]

loving your country these days is called extreme far right

[@derKosmoprolet369]

'loving your country ' the samw way like 80/90 years ago IS 'far right '! -- no doubt about it!

[@gfys756]

​@@derKosmoprolet369Germany is stuck in the past. Still upset about things none of y'all were even alive for.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

@@gfys756 to remember what went wrong in the past and trying to avoid to do the same mistakes again is NOT stucking in the past!

[@gfys756]

@@derKosmoprolet369 Your entire identity revolves around things that happened nearly 100 years ago. Get over it and join the 21st century. Also, "making sure it never happens again" is funny because your govt. supports Israel doing the same thing.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@gfys756 You're not Jamaican

[@thedarkslide]

Hahaha. I left Germany in 2016 for the US foreseeing what many Germans are starting to realize now: Germany has peaked. Leaving Germany was the best decision for myself of my life.

[@ramdev9578]

And the US is an anarchy. Stay safe, don't get mugged.

[@thedarkslide]

@@ramdev9578 Haha, where I live now is much safer than where I lived before in Germany. Less burglaries, less pickpockets, less street violence.

[@nettcologne9186]

@@thedarkslide in welchem Paralleluniversum lebst du denn

[@D0d0Dada]

Ich lebe mittlerweile in der Schweiz. Deutschland ist so am Arsch...

[@gezzie48]

Wo wohnst du denn jetzt in USA?

[@alexanderfuhrmann492]

There is one big uncertainty for many Germans coming: age and death, since the median age is 47 and the number wise biggest generation in retirement age. There was economic growth over the last decades, but the average German didn‘t perceived a real improvement in their financial status, even before the pandemic and inflation. A lot of uncertainty because of climate change, migration, divided mindsets and of course the horrible weather in winter

[@yurigansmith]

The weather isn't that bad.

[@SportZFan4L1fe]

USA blew up Germany's Nordstream pipelines and now they wonder why things are going wrong. 😂

[@ANTheWhizkid]

My opinion: With the work model Zeitarbeit, Gerhard Schröder established modern slavery in Germany. It´s a loop without security and dignity where only the employer benefits. So many people are caught up in that. This should get canceled.

[@nwmacguy]

Plus Gerhard Schröder's nuclear power for Russian gas swap in exchange for being a "friend" [asset] of the RU great leader.

[@rosshilton]

you just don’t get it do you? You had the cheapest energy in the world. When Japan paid $16/BTU you were paying $4/BTU When the rest of the world faced imported cars you hid inside the EU and it’s protectionism. When the rest of the world was building infrastructure for the 21C (like the National Broadband Network across Australia) you bought market share by propping up the EU. Now it’s all gone. You didn’t invest in yourself you invested in the EU - and they don’t care about you. Now you are in a deeper mess than you can imagine.

[@Bono9850]

You’re acting like Germany is your ex-GF😂. It’s not about the EU, it’s about the risen energy prices combined with the corona crisis. The rise of Eastern European countries should actually benefit Germany’s economy as theres is a large correlation between economic growth of neighbouring countries.

[@rosshilton]

⁠ No No NO. 1. Energy prices and covid were catalysts that exposed poor German economic management. Germany used the EU to protect it’s markets (Japan REALLY struggled to sell cars and even steel into the EU) and used the Euro to keep its prices low, using the pain of counties like Greece to keep the Euro artificially low. And NO. There is no evidence whatsoever that having rich neighbours will make you rich. That’s total rubbish.

[@youtuber1650]

Democracy and freedom depend on a population that actively support it. I'm all for the world, other cultures, working together and foreigners, but they mostly come from cultures that depend on authoritarians. They want a 'strong' man. They may abide by German law (may) but they do not actively support freedom and democracy. That is almost 30% of people not taking part in our values and passively appreciating our decline. Then there's another chunk of the population like kids and the old and sick that do not take part. From the remaining electorate there's a quite countable minority that is right extreme and actively sabotages democracy and freedom. The remaining part that values our freedom has become too small. Democracy can't live on it. Stop the senseless immigration or there will be no Germany anymore in the future. I hate right extremism but this is my pitch.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

I'm old enough to know; even the majority of original german people never had a real democratic mindset! I had enough pub conversations during the last 40 ÷ years to realise that. Just in economical hard times the people talking more freely about their real opinions.

[@youtuber1650]

​@@derKosmoprolet369 no, it's still a majority that enjoys freedom and the ability to speak ones mind. For example I'm not religious and do not want to be pressured by an authoritarian regime to be religious or else. The right extreme wants the whole population to be uniform. There's a reason why authoritarian countries are the poor countries in the world. Look at Russia. Do you want to live like a Russian? They can only survive with vodka or sugar. A triest and very sad life with an evil power hungry dictator at the top. No, our freedom is precious and worthy of support and defending it against the right extreme.

[@gridemann]

Try being a voter for 20+ years and just watch the insanity continue no matter who you vote for. It's not suprising people dont care for parliamentary democracy if its a complete sham.

[@youtuber1650]

@@derKosmoprolet369 no, we value our freedom. I don't want to live like a Russian, having a triest and sad life that's only survivable with vodka and sugar.

[@fornox2]

Look who works in hospitals, factories, warehouses. Ethnic germans had so few children in the past, that even if all foreigners left and all germans would start making 5 babies, the economy and society would collapse decades before any positive change in the demographics would be felt. The german public can‘t even differentiate between asylum seekers and legal immigrants. It’s a simple thing. The economy is way way harder. It’s sad, really

[@alikaraali9338]

Poverty will bring vision As i see comfort has weakened people here

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

I don’t agree with this conclusion. Germany is in fact deindustrialising rapidly, with much of the industry relocating to the USA.

[@thegreatdane3627]

Which companies are actually moving?

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@thegreatdane3627 It has started with much of the chemical industry. As it was most seriously affected by the high gas prices.

[@thegreatdane3627]

@@Dionysus-gv9lz name some companies? Because i don't see any data that supports your claim?

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@thegreatdane3627 I will give you a few examples of German companies specifically in relation to the USA. The following: BASF, Bayer, Dresser Rand Group, Hanson, KBA, M+W, MAN, Microdyn-Nadir, R Stahl, Recaro, Salzgitter Mannesmann, Siemens.

[@andrekoniger3020]

​@@Dionysus-gv9lz Apart from the chemical industry Miele and ZF

[@BrightWendigo]

What’s with media outlets using “populism” as if it’s derogatory? Is the point in a democracy not to be the more popular party? Unless you’re admitting or claiming your population is too uneducated to be trusted?

[@firstpostcommenter8078]

It depends on the wording. Democracy vs Mob rule. Both seems to be similar on a first glance, but the difference is that Democracy is about listening to the will of the majority, while also preserving the basic fundamental rights of minorities. That is the not the case with Mob rule. Now Populism could mean Democracy or Mob rule. I don't know. Most people imagine populism to be Mob rule and hence it is a negative connotation in people's minds. Lets hope the populism in most countries is akin to Democracy and not Mob rule.

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@firstpostcommenter8078Democracy is mob rule. Populism is also mob rule. Populism is defined as going against the establishment, that is to say being politically incorrect, against the status quo.

[@deannilvalli6579]

No the point of democracy is to run a country in a way which is fair to all and makes the majority able to fulfil their lives as they see fit. Being "popular" is another thing entirely. And you may notice, popular music is usualyl popular for about 3 months, then never heard again.

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@deannilvalli6579 As you stated yourself, the majority; also defined as the mob. I’m not arguing in favour or against populism.

[@lionel9038]

populism = talk and talk badly and talk badly and talk raising economy = talk and do and do and do and celebrate

[@brianmartindale2221]

No, Mr. Chancellor, Germany's only industrial goal is to engineer an independent energy source. I don't see anybody else in the world in the position to do so. Otherwise, you are always beholden to someone else. Solve your historic national challenge

[@nwmacguy]

They virtually did. It was called the SNR-300[MWe] which was built, never ran and turned into an amusement park. It was to be followed by a series of SNR-1500s. It was to virtually eat up all reprocessed nuclear fuel. That is a fuel density of almost 28,000 GJ/kg.

[@robin.ranjan]

Nur AFD

[@master8127]

The prospects of germany are high rents, stagnating real wages and the babyboomer putting immense pressure on the working class. Currently half of your income is taken away fo rmiddle income folks, that number will rise to 60% in the next 10 years due to demographics. The fact that all this is already predetermined is shocking, yet nobody speaks/cares about it

[@theracer6882]

More capitalist policies are needed in Germany.

[@floro7687]

They need to drop the "green" charade.

[@Timo-qb1gf]

Planwirtschaft ftw! Although never worked in the history of the world the government seems to believe otherwise. That with the green's open desire of getting rid of the industrial production any of this shouldn't be a surprise.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

not quiet sure, is it an ironic or sarcastic statement?

[@floro7687]

@@derKosmoprolet369 neither, honest.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

@@floro7687 is it really so hard to understand that this economic system ( in vulgo:Neo liberalism) is the reason for most of our current problems worldwide?

[@__s__tatic]

Without a vision is exactly what I had in mind about Germany, this is truly sad, once a poster boy of the developed world, this country seems to have lost it all, this is what happens when you are too confident of yourself. From woke identity politics to blaming/patronizing the global south, this country has become an oligarchy, pandering to the richest and taxing the working class to death.

[@nwmacguy]

Current German tax rate brackets. Not too far off other countries in the G8. Income Tax Rate Less than 9.984 euros 0% 9.985 - 58.596 euros 14% to 42% 58.597 - 277.825 euros 42% More than 277.826 euros 45%

[@__s__tatic]

@@nwmacguy most rich people who have more than 1mil are paying just 25% in taxes. Your finance minister Lindner is giving them seminars on how to avoid taxes, you just need to pay 5000 euros for that seminar

[@nwmacguy]

@@__s__tatic any links? Sounds interesting.

[@__s__tatic]

@@nwmacguy I have sent you links multiple times but they end up getting deleted. Maybe you can search on google

[@torablack]

We would not have food on our plates if it wasn't for farmers. We need to make their lives easier, not harder!

[@derKosmoprolet369]

but they should stop poisoning the enviroment ( especially the groundwater) -- otherwise I can't give them my sympathy

[@lukaskaelin6249]

well.... if we replace them wit drones and robots... that could improof the situation...

[@Ermude10]

@@derKosmoprolet369True, but this isn't any farmers' fault, it's the economical incentives in place. So in the end, it's still policy that needs to change to make it simpler to do the right thing, and give a way to transition from the destructive practices.

[@derKosmoprolet369]

@@Ermude10 ok, but I never heard them protesting against those structures which force them to produce in such a destructive way! And the german farmers association (Bauernverband) is opposing any systemic change towards a more human production process.

[@perfectallycromulent]

the argument that people would starve to death if the desires of the current crop of farmers aren't met is false. farmers can be replaced just as well as factory workers can.

[@joerogain5025]

Inflation is 7.5% in Putin's Russia and expected to explode. The ruble has lost over 40% of its value. Interest rates are 16% in Putin's Russia so I'd say overall Germany isn't doing that bad compared to Russia.

[@Heegooat]

You don't understand....one has unlimited resources the other depends on world trade

[@DragonSky_]

@@Heegooat If that would be true, they wouldn't have those issues.

[@ChrisMurray-iw9ij]

None of what you have said is true lmao Little research shows you're wrong

[@Jason-io9zg]

@@DragonSky_ They actually prefer ruble dropping value so oil could exchange more rubles to pay the military budget.

[@tacituskilgore80]

​@@HeegooatRussia doesn't have unlimited resources. Neither does USA. No country can do without trade.

[@jdd5886]

It's ok to accept you're not always gonna have prosperity. They had decades of growth but didn't catch up with the fast going digital age. Now they're surprised that they're left behind.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Yep

[@rinmartell2678]

This. I am German and see many of friends worried about the current situation in Germany. They are so scared that Germany will lose its status in the world but I am like who care? We have been at the top in Europe for so long. We can take a step back and let countries like France at the top. We still live in a western, rich country. We are fine. You can’t always be no. 1.

[@ThomasVWorm]

"Anyone who has visions should see a doctor." Chancelor Helmut Schmidt

[@JSDudeca]

The farmers and unions need to look at Argentina on how endless social spending ends.

[@JoseSantos-xh9mp]

there is nothing in commun between Germany and Argentine. I lived in S America and Europe!

[@gustavo337videos]

Based answer right there...

[@marczhu7473]

Norway laugh at your opinion 😂

[@duncan.o-vic]

What social spending? You mean charrity work they're doing for poor billionaires?

[@Sammyli99]

Its not "Social Spending" per sae, targeted spending with a real ROI, economic or HUMAN, is FANTASTIC, but when is the last time you saw a law being passed where the return on investment was actually calculated independently...the sum of that over the years has destroyed all ...all economies, POLITICS, the GRIFT that keeps on giving.

[@chilam2512]

Germany just need to elect leaders that follow big brother U.S and all problem will be solved.

[@m3talHalide-rt2fz]

germany was kinda willfully oblivious to competing with the us. while everyone was gawking at the us social issues, no one noticed the economy raking up XP points in productivity and risk mitigation and then when we raised rates and managed, countries like german were caught unprepared to quickly adapt

[@OZUndead]

Were really jelly of your fancy tent cities. Kensington Ave is what real progress looks like and we thrive to imitate you, sorry for taking so long.

[@m3talHalide-rt2fz]

@@OZUndead we also have billionaires row? we have the most extreme inequality in the world, but also the strongest economy. we may not spend our money well socially, but the US has no peers when it comes to making it at the scale we do. US has GDP per capita nearly 2x germany and 4x as many people, so eeking out $3.6T in GDP led germany into a recession with little cause for optimism of finally creating even one internet/information company. DE relied too much on heavy industry and spent years bickering about agreement and what should be, while losing any note of competitiveness without EU protections. While busy debating right and wrong, US blatantly said 'dont care, making money.' So while DE may have better intentions about treating their own people, their ability to exercise that will is vanishing.

[@OZUndead]

@@m3talHalide-rt2fz Billionaires row? Those assets no person is living in while there's a shortage of housing you mean? The strongest economy in total seems to be China by now, not only by total numbers, they took more people out of poverty than the US has put into in the last decades. If the US doesn't take care of the social divides created by the blatant focus on calvinistic principles more people will get shot on their way to Wendy's than could ever migrate over the southern border to replace them. Things might get more heated here politically over economic challenges, but we're far of from the ethnic, religious or social conflicts the media or crime stats portrait about the US. Let alone the other issues from big pharma to toxic tap water.

[@teamtoken]

It’s funny, when you look at the Media the US is getting worse. When you look at the raw numbers the US is actually getting better. The lowest quintile of workers saw the largest income increase post pandemic (incl inflation) so inequality actually decreased. Government spending on social services is increasing, crime is decreasing again after a spike during covid, record low unemployment, prescription drug prices are coming down, house prices are still affordable in many cities and states. Yes America still has major flaws but on a lot of metrics its going forwards, not backwards.

[@samsadeniz]

Official language should be changed to English. People wasting time learning useless German

[@leroypennant1286]

He's got to get off that fence he loves sitting on. And be a true leader. And not a weak excuse for one that he is at this time.

[@glichjthebicycle384]

As we delve into the myriad issues plaguing Germany, it's becoming increasingly apparent that the prevailing socialist framework is hindering rather than aiding progress. It's about time we shift gears and embrace a more capitalist approach, one that champions individual autonomy and minimizes government intrusion. The exorbitant tax rates, hovering around a jaw-dropping 50%, serve as a stark reminder of the systemic flaws that stifle innovation and discourage entrepreneurship. It's frustrating to witness a system that robs us of our agency, leaving us dependent on bureaucratic whims rather than our own ingenuity. Let's shake off this lethargy, break free from the shackles of excessive regulation, and pave the way for a future where personal responsibility reigns supreme and genuine progress thrives.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

It seems socialism is something that Germans want though. Individualism comes with a lot of responsibility.

[@Alpha-qh4sb]

Full support to farmers in Germany

[@pooga5248]

You already support them with subsidies, tax breaks, bailouts, grants, etc. That's what needs to change

[@randomguy7175]

​@@pooga5248 need to cut subsidies for farmers so that Ukranie can get more money right !?

[@Alpha-qh4sb]

@@pooga5248 then no more money for Ukraine,

[@derKosmoprolet369]

...as long they are not going on to pollute the enviroment (especially the ground water) !

[@batrachian149]

bot

[@rgolianeh]

With environmental issues and the rise of China, I don't think the world will be the same ever again.

[@sherzodgafar5741]

Very insightful analysis! Thanks for breaking everything down.

[@MultiNNxx]

One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand why people are unhappy. Germany used to be the industry leader worldwide and these days seem to be over. Auto, metal, chemical industries are in decline and one of the biggest reasons is energy prices. If you want to shutdown nuclear plants, cut the pipe and bet on expensive LNG import then you have to pay. As a result most energy-hungry plants shut down as their products are no longer competitive. These are self-inflicted problems which could have been avoided. It is even more aggravating that Germany is the colossus of European industry so its decline drags whole Europe down.

[@trevorsutherland5263]

Well, we learned from Putin last night that Germany has many options to get cheap LNG from Russia, but either they (or Ukraine) has opted not to do so. Instead, they pay much higher rates to get it from Europe or US which has smashed their economic competitiveness. As long as the German people accept this as the "price" for supporting Ukraine, things will probably not get too bad. I would not count on that lasting very much longer however...

[@DragonSky_]

I rather support a invaded country than supporting a invader. It might cost more but in the end we would pay him to invade others.

[@nashchance]

​@@DragonSky_ Indeed. Own nothing and be happy. 😂

[@varimatra2088]

​@@nashchanceown nothing ??? Germany economy is by far bigger then russias whit less people and no dependency on the primary industry

[@tacituskilgore80]

​@@nashchanceOwn nothing? Russia is in a much worse position than Russia 😂

[@Icbinideifreu]

Why is russian economy than a pile of rubbish?

[@stevanjakovljevic8390]

Prospects for Europe's largest economy is how not to be Europe's largest economy

[@mr.noname115]

Bro... Germanys GDP is at 4.3 billion USD. The second biggest Economy in Europe is France with 2.9 billion. 3rd is italy with 2 billion. Im other words: germanys Economy is still as big as the the economy of the 2nd and 3rd country combined.

[@stevanjakovljevic8390]

@@mr.noname115 If you measure it in printed dollars. Wait 2 years , and you will see.

[@mr.noname115]

@@stevanjakovljevic8390 ... germanys Economy shrank this year by a staggering 0.4 %😱. And you know what? That was the biggest it shrank in the last 20 years or so

[@stevanjakovljevic8390]

@@mr.noname115 Before few years germany was producing 5 mil. cars . Now its 3.5 mil. Its long gone days of cheap energy , gastearbaiters ang giving loans to easter Europe .

[@mr.noname115]

@@stevanjakovljevic8390 renewable Energy is the cheapest that exists. You don't need to buy coal or uranium or gas etc. It's just that germany hasn't invested enough in the past in that section because they always had their cheap russian gas supply (which was more suitable for them because even though renewable are cheap in operating, you need to first pay a price for buildings them). But Germany is now investing about 1 trillion Euro in building a new energy supply. Yes, Germany has some problems right now. But problems can be solved and Germany still has a huge headstart in front of everybody else. You might not know it but there is a high possibility that the trains you use are build by Siemens, the screws you use are most probably built by "WÜRTH". Your groceries might be from LIDL etc. Also Germany has the ability to quickly her large sums of Money If they want to, considering that their debt in Relation to the gdp is one of the lowest in Europe. The parties would just have to agree on that in Order to change that law that germany once set itself to not make any debt anymore. So yeah they got problems, but they are in a perfect Position to tackle all of those problems. And If you don't believe me take a look on the stockmarket. The German DAX is at a record high, which means that the economic experts agree with me on this topic.

[@HansieH-fg3fz]

Germany's economy is now bigger than Japan.

[@sitrakaforler8696]

German economics are indeed in bad shapes Us and China were great clients but one doesn't want to buy foreign goods and the other one is in bad shapes.... They need to produce better quality products for their inner market

[@newbiekhyber]

Stability is never sexy. It is the shortest route to lethargy.

[@HamzaalAbbasi]

Exactly ❤

[@user333-us4qz]

Left politicians a the problem. bad decision over and over again 🤯👊

[@johanneskentsch2617]

We're trying to build an industrialized, social, rich and happy country without Fossil fuels.

[@BlauerBooo]

Many Germans tend to be whining about anything... personal experience from a German ;) So don't take such rankings too seriously. BUT of course turning whining into right extremist voting becomes a problem for democracy and the state's stability. That is what the "silent majority" of Germans noticed recently and protested against the AFD and her deportation plans of foreign rooted people, even German citizens. However... people describe the economic situation in Germany as bad, despite very few people having severe economic problems themselves. That is bizarre... it is a downstream mood, not a reality. The government does not succeed in giving positive outlooks into the future coming through. A complex situation, due to political divisions, the media, general retreat into private life after pandemic, due to war and so on.... My personal opinion: there are severe challenges - energy prices for the economy, high inflation, though shrinking and not comparable to other countries, climate change accelerating a lot, international order in question. But nothing a progressive government could not overcome. The German governmental coalition is annoying for three parties needing to find an agreement. But other countries have known this for long... and what are German alternatives? For sure worse.

[@Sammyli99]

Germany has an Economy: Resources problem, it does not have enough BRAUN-COAL to run the show, and if you close the NUKES down, you are TOAST, although Nuke power in the whole process causes less human damage and death per MWH than FOSSILS (now there's a joke in that world too)...of course, no one talks about that, your future is NOT in your HANDS YOU are a VASSAL of the USA.

[@tonilux9091]

It’s over, cheap Russian gas is over now we buy from US 8x more expensive. Germany closed nuclear power plants at 40€/MWh and build massive wind and solar at 150€/MWh, you dont need to be economist to know that it will just be a disaster, high prices energy = high prices of everything that you touch.

[@ShinSheel]

I am Ukrainian IT guy and I literally dont move to Germany because salary would at best stay the same numerically Plus even startups seem to rely on the tech and build products as in Ukraine 10 years ago

[@Betehadeso]

Germans forget what they are capable of

[@lamrof]

Germany rose China and Russia, it got too contemptuous at the wrong time in history and cut them both. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot, it is a historic blunder

[@cheese-power]

This is why Germany needs a single-party system ;)

[@sweetaznspice1]

This is what happens when a "sovereign" nation takes orders from its "benefactor."

[@Prashant_Pandey4]

No farmers No food full support to the farmers

[@tcioaca]

Everything is relative. Whereas a 3rd world citizen would feel pretty happy in Germany, a 1st world one may have expectations from Germany that it obviously fails to meet. It is all about the quality of goods and services you get for what you pay. We have high taxes, but so many problems with our infrastructure, telecommunications, health care system, education system. They still work, were great more than a decade ago, but they are degrading in quality at a pace that is hugely responsible for the unhappiness mentioned in this documentary. Oh, and let’s not forget about bureaucracy: Germany is probably the only country where you need a proof of authenticity from the same bureau that a certificate that the same bureau has issued is legitimate. This transpires in every other sector, including the vital economic and military ones. We all talk about issues, problems but we actually have no real, sustainable and accessible solution. Not yet. We can start with bureaucracy. Please, it’s a low hanging fruit!

[@the_washingmachine1295]

Olaf Scholz is at pressure? Feels pressure? Look at who you are talking about again...

[@paulwelsh7834]

Maybe you should reflect on the root causes of your self inflicted issues.

[@crxdelsolsir]

1:10 Blame the current Chancellor that has only been in office for a short time, not the one before him that held power for 16 years. It takes decades to crash a powerful nation economically, socially, politically etc. But never mind using your mind and logic in Germany where it was once a strong character. Germany's character and skill sets are definitely changing for the worse. Oh, it has nothing to do with the demographics changing due to importation of course.

[@cha_eldmo_lester]

Let Austrian guy lead Germany to the greatness once again

[@WalterPolzl]

The problem is not the opposition, the problem is the incompetence of the government. In reality, the current govern is being not democratic. Sensorship, prohibition of opposition and intents to restrict freedon from opposition is becomming normal. It ia not Democratic. The Ampel Regirung needs to focus in measures to improve economy and not in the opposition.

[@nwmacguy]

Warum ist Strom in Frankreich günstiger als in Deutschland?

[@Alpha-qh4sb]

Germany works more for US

[@nwmacguy]

@@Alpha-qh4sb, nein, weil die Grüne Partei passiert ist. Sie haben die Atomkraft abgeschafft.

[@ravishingravi]

Nuclear.

[@Icbinideifreu]

Warum importiert Frankreich Strom im Sommer von Deutschland? 🤔 Weil die Atomkraftwerke ohne genügend Kühlwasser nicht funktionieren.

[@nwmacguy]

@@Icbinideifreu Falsch, sie funktionieren im Sommer gut. Nur zwei durften das nicht, da sie das Kühlwasser nicht durch Türme, sondern durch einen Fluss in einen Fluss leiten ließen und sich der Fluss dadurch etwas stärker erwärmte, als ihnen lieb war.

[@idokwatcher2062]

Cause is wealth inequality. Tax the ultra wealthy. You're welcome.

[@juanvga]

No mention of Ukraine... pathetic

[@here_we_go_again2571]

100% of my support to the farmers in Germany (and elsewhere in Europe) who are protesting being put out of business AND The people of those countries having to import food through a global supply chain (the utopia of the W.E.F.) The psychopaths in the WEF, the EU, and the UN want to run the farmers out of business and then: 1.) Force the people of Europe to start depending on food imported from other countries in a time of an increasingly fragile global shipping network.*** 2.) Once the European farmers have been driven into bankruptcy; Karl Schwab's "stakeholder capitalists" will start buying up the farms and turn them into mega-farms that use patented seeds from corporations (e.g. Monsanto/Bayer) Patented seeds sprout only once; the grain acquired from these seeds is sterile; the grain can not Be used to plant the next year's crop. How do I know? That is what has happened in the USA . All of the small and medium-sized farms have been driven out of existence from the 1970's onward. (Slow process, not that many people noticed until the big- and mega- farms got on the GMO trains for their main crops ***The world's trade routes will be compromised as the USA redirects it's own navy to the Pacific and Atlantic/Caribbean shores. Europe is going to have to step up and defend itself as well as the supply routes from the Middle East for their oil.

[@duncan.o-vic]

We are all farmers.

[@ac-uk6hs]

It's funny you say right wing is a response don't forget that left wing socialist movements are much bigger response and don't forget the name of the German party that took over Germany in the 1930s was the Democrat socialist party not the name we use today

[@aarhusnord]

Give people safety and prosperity, instead of austerity and uncertainty. Capitalism must work for the good of the common people. Otherwise, extremism and anger will take over.

[@icu17siberia]

is individual initiative and innovation rewarded in Germany? Or are innovators penalized?

[@larzkruber822]

Getting russian money from Wolfgang Schmidt is a real vision

[@tywinlannister8341]

As always, you did not mention an elephant in the room! Germany is becoming middle eastern/african country, and of course it is no longer safe and prosperous country...

[@MANNY33100]

Back in the day…

[@toonarmy9855]

Last time, people selected them,then now, their rating is always decreasing, they did themselve, because they don't care about what people want then afd propose some things that people want and people have hope again so afd rating is increasing, this is democracy.

[@santaclaus0815]

Fratzscher says: "Germany must focus on its strengths" ->>> This is not completely nonsense but still a dangerous paradigm. Germany was also once very strong in the production of good steam engines. Times change and what you are strong in could be obsolete tomorrow.

[@santaclaus0815]

The government is blamed for the bad situation (economy, inflation). This responsibility can be debated. In any case, the opposition is also failing in terms of content. No opposition party can present viable, sensible alternatives to the government's actions. Therefore the debate culture is bad. Arguments against the government are unobjective. For example, there is criticism of how the government deals with each other internally - because the opposition cannot express alternatives or factually valid criticism of the government's bills themselves. The growth engine “exports to China” is losing power and no one is prepared for it. The demographic situation causes the shortage of skilled workers, which should actually have a positive effect on wages. Instead, employers invest in factories abroad, thus avoiding the problem of a shortage of workers. Germany is also so economically connected that Germany “benefits” less from the rest of the EU’s internal market than the other way around. Therefore, an economic stimulus in the EU has a weaker effect on Germany than the other way around - because many German end product companies have locations and supply industries in other EU countries, not the other way around. Furthermore, the investment package in the German economy was overturned by the advocates of the debt brake - a major economic mistake that makes a significant contribution to the fact that Germany's economic figures do not look good in an international comparison. This only increases the distance from the USA in the context of high tech. At least there are many German companies that are also active in the USA and are therefore benefiting from the boom there - not at the moment, this effect will still have to wait a while. The strength of the AfD is of course not good for Germany's economic prospects. But the 19% is actually low if you compare the AfD with percentages of other right-wing parties in other EU countries. Brexit alone was a right-wing liberal project - with over 50% approval.

[@uncle.d.]

The problem is that in each project they need to find compromises, three parties with totally different visions and approaches. They should agree that with each project one of the parties can decide as they think it is best for the country. Then we would have strong decision which brings us forward but not a weak compromise…

[@jentulj9611]

They wanted every party to be happy and in the process policies are watered down.

[@user-wc9it9rk1u]

A long report but didnt touch on any specific issues....all you get out of it was that people are not happy. And thats the same everywhere

[@h.y0134]

End of monopoly money, this is normal

[@Lecruque]

We all know what happens when Germans are unhappy…