What are upgraded controllers and are they better?

Here's the difference between upgraded controllers and standard ones. For great deals on retro video games and consoles check out www.dkoldies.com/

[@diegog1853]

I think the original should be the default, since that is how the systems were sold originally and it is reasonable that people might think that is the default, with an option to downgrade your controllers for a lower price. Overall it is a great option. I would personally go the route of the old days, getting one original and a third party/replica for those rarer multiplayer sesions. Unless you want the console primarily for multiplayer.

[@LEVEL8RIDERR]

I agree

[@phantomhiphop]

but money

[@diegog1853]

@@coeducated There are more original controllers than original consoles... So I don't think it is unreasonable to have at least one original controller with your retro console. Not to mention. I am not saying that they should sell the bundles cheaper, just that the one with original controllers should be the default since that is what most people expect when they want to buy a console.

[@CasualLeague]

@@diegog1853 A lot of them are broken, lost and with drift, i remember the stick fcking lose tension and losing almost all the funtion. Doesnt matter if they make x20,x60,x100 times more controllers, times goes by and those thats aree still going,e nd up being down or being close and saved. Besides this guys do not have all the remaining stock in the worls. This store is expensive, yeah, but you know what you dealing for buying here. The idea of everyone gets the original and the option for a cheaper price with a clone that the other guy said is dumb, they can just list the console higher and the cheap non orignal controler will be look even better, or, get out of original stock easyer and ending up with no controlers and only clones, so well end up with same problem anyway,lack of controllers.

[@diegog1853]

@@CasualLeague If you see other videos from this channel you will find out that they do repairs on controllers, including n64 ones and including drifting joysticks, which admittedly are the most faulty of the bunch. Still I don't get what is precisely your problem with my argument. Do you disagree with the statement that most people expect original controllers when they are looking to buy a console? It really doesn't matter if they don't have enough original controllers available, they can always just list that the default option with originals is not available, but you can buy the cheaper one with replicas. What is the problem there? Again, I am not saying that they should sell original controllers cheaper, i am also not saying that everyone should get original controllers if they don't want to. Everyone gets the same exact choices and they sell at the exact same prices. I just think that most people expect originals to be the default and might accidentally get the replicas because they didn't pay much attention to all the options, specially people buying them as gifts may not understand what the difference even is. Why is it a problem me suggesting that people should get what they want more easily, that the website should be less confusing? (Without changing the price at all) if more people get what they want for the same price... That is great isn't it? Sure the stock is finite, that is what the replicas are for, a lot of people willingly will downgrade their purchase to get a better price.

[@georgeo5557]

These guys somehow managed to make it look like an original controller was something you had to pay extra money for...

[@flaviopereira2507]

For playing Goldeneye and Perfect Dark,the original controllers are mandatory

[@mauriciogadalupe]

Omg yes, and castlevania

[@flaviopereira2507]

@@Wintergreenink for these games,non original analogs are very very sensitive and it is impossible to aim

[@McSquirts]

perfect dark, what an awesome game

[@just2review69]

I understand that DK oldies is a business, and it’s not as simple as just selling games there are people on the payroll and overhead. But as expensive as the products are, I’m a little surprised that you guys cannot at least include original controllers with your console bundles without it being an upcharge

[@MrLee204]

Especially at the prices they charge.

[@kristofferbjrnstad3906]

They got way too many people working there, just goofing around. The warehouse is so messy

[@MultiClassof2010]

@@lord_beethoven1169 restore what? Have you seen some of the systems they sell? They are all dusty and dirty. Look at the most recent unboxing videos

[@McSquirts]

@@MultiClassof2010Honestly. I hate the term refurbished and never buy anything refurbished unless it's from the manufacturer itself, because otherwise that just means someone who doesn't know what they're doing messed with the system.

[@FB427YT]

@@MultiClassof2010 I ordered a GameCube and it was in the best condition, even better than my grandparent’s GameCube.

[@manchesterunitedfan9824]

Weird how he makes it sounds that getting original products is a privilege and not a standard 🙄

[@Kaiserin]

Well, it’s a business. When you have less of a product (original controllers) you’ll charge more for it than the modern recreation controllers. This is a common business practice, stop sulking because you can’t afford it.

[@finkamain1621]

@@Kaiserin How about next time you buy a used car from a dealer, they take the stock rims off and put on some generic rims so they can sell the stock rims back to you

[@RaggyRoo456]

Seems like a scam y'all not providing the original controller with the system and instead charging people extra for it

[@DKOldies]

We offer 3rd party controllers because people asked for a cheaper alternative. We’ve tested them all and like this the best.

[@RaggyRoo456]

@@DKOldies Yes, but y'all are already selling them for outrages prices. Like if someone were to buy a Wii from your store that's close to $300, they expect to have the original controllers. Not Wal-Mart knockoffs

[@RENBA_XL]

Tomorow Is n64 25 aniversary

[@mercynotfakebutvhs]

It's it the mini

[@playboy2141]

Thanks Joey I had this question alot

[@dominicrowland1372]

Also, many replica GameCube controllers don't actually have true analog shoulders, and if you play anything competitive (especially melee) that's a total gamechanger

[@Pacmanfan-po9rn]

Wait you DON'T provide original authentic controlls by default? Yuck

[@thegamestation8879]

I feel like if you’re playing Mario 64 or oot you would very well almost need an original but something very casual would be a replica

[@alejandrosool]

I’ve been collecting Nintendo 64 games during COVID pandemic & I started buying 2nd party controllers because I don’t want to damage my original one but from time to time I’ll use it on certain games 😎

[@BRIANOCONNOR2003]

I've been collecting consoles during the pandemic I bought a PS3 slim this year because the one I had was broken and Decided to buy a PS3 slim from 2010 and I bought a gba this year

[@damian9303]

The replica controllers always broke so easily from the retro shop I used to get them at, not just in functionality but the outer shell was such brittle plastic

[@user-db5zc1gp6t]

Same would have to buy a new GameCube controller from family dollar every other weekend for about 15$ drop it one time it would damn near shatter

[@benzjiman6931]

Bro at that point you couldn’t probably buy a almost brand new original GameCube controller

[@user-db5zc1gp6t]

@@benzjiman6931 poor people don’t think like that a original Nintendo one would last years but it was what 60? A broke parent always gonna pick the cheaper one even if it’s eveyother week lmao I can’t still feel that plastic shit would cut in to your hands it was awful

[@benzjiman6931]

@@user-db5zc1gp6t werent original nintendo gamecube controllers like 25 dollars in 2002?

[@user-db5zc1gp6t]

@@benzjiman6931 I wouldn’t be able to tell you lol all I remember is being told the controller cuz just as much as a new game so just get the cheap control if you you want a new game next holiday

[@XxIronAvengerxX]

I did have a replica of the n64 controller one time, but it didn’t work very well. I grew with the original controllers, the replicas did really weird things to me while I was playing GoldenEye and The World is not Enough. So I got rid of it and started using my Mom’s controllers again.

[@fabeww5475]

its not good to play goldeneye w a replica one they joystick has like a high sens on that game for some reason and it makes it so hard to aim

[@xamergt]

At least for the GameCube the 3d Party controllers go crazy after a while,the oem ones...only the original are for precision and longevity.

[@theesophisticatedcarrot7470]

Nostalgia hitting hard right now....

[@mhenrique4860]

You didnt talk about the main question: Are the originals brand new? Are they still make new controls? Are we comparing refurbished originals to new replicas? in that case, which option is better?

[@Deconstruction_Administrator]

@Spearhead I still have my original N64 controllers, but I replaced the joysticks with the NGC style, thus eliminating the risk of tension loss in the joysticks cable-based movement.

[@thebasketballhistorian3291]

I can't say for sure but... In all his packaging videos I've seen where he packs replicas, they're always in a new box.

[@jorgelara7774]

Man this guys the best!

[@misterpk92]

The fact that you use 3rd party controllers as the default when shipping is gross

[@ZarathorProductions]

Especially cause like fucking $200 dollars without it

[@MikhailS_]

This made me think back on when i got a replica ps3 controllers and everyone of them got drift

[@kevin89067]

Nice information...

[@JoshCobra89]

Originals are great, but I'm glad I snagged 2 hori n64 pads a few years back

[@josephjameson7263]

Here’s how I think it should be: -N64 bundle with original controller -Upgrade to a retro brawler controller

[@hectoreduardovignera9081]

Thanks for explanation friend 🧒👍

[@dannyrivera8300]

I went with the brawler 64 because it just feels better in the hand I was never really a fan of the 64 controller but I loved WWF No Mercy & Goldeneye

[@Coldo20]

Thank you!

[@NapsAndWeenies]

Thanks for the clarification I never knew. Love the channel!!!!

[@cartkart1]

I have a real N64 controller, and an aftermarket replica N64 controller. They feel similar, but the new one feels slightly lighter. I usually prefer the original, but my replica one is gold so sometimes I pick it just for fun 😁

[@MatthewMario]

I like the replica n64 one better than the original because the stick will last much longer besides that all of the other ones are inferior

[@princenoreally]

I got a replica PS4 controller and I honestly like it way more then the actual PS4 controller the buttons feel less stiff and the triggers don't hurt my hands as a official controller does sometimes very rare but sometimes 3rd party controllers are better

[@Term271]

Always buy the original a friend of mine bought the fake n64 controllers after 2months the stick broke right of and he didn’t even use his n64 that much

[@guildofgamefails]

For the price of these bundles (and considering the upgrade cost!) the original controller should honestly be the default...

[@jobiwankenobi5986]

Why do that when they can make more money

[@milodeescorpio3658]

Thankfully I still have my N64 with 2 original controllers. It still works as if it was new.

[@pussydestroyer87]

I'm just stunned that oem controllers are considered an upgrade.

[@bigphil0005]

OG Should be given automatically. Replica should give you a discount instead on the bundle.

[@YT_Gopnik_Mario]

i always use original controllers on xbox 360 and original dualshock3 for pc gaming

[@joshjones8699]

Here’s something I’ve used om and 3rd party pad from almost every console I’ve ever had in my life today i jump between the switch pro controller some 8bitdo ones n a retro fighter pad I don’t have a preference as long as it does what I want but I understand some folk like authentic game pads

[@mindglue]

That resting mean mug at 00:00

[@BRIANOCONNOR2003]

I'll stick to the original controllers from first party company because they're better

[@jessefpv4949]

I know the controller do the same as the original.. but having the original is always the better choice

[@stevenbeshures6962]

My issue is is that these guys get these systems in all the time with original controllers for a certain price and when it’s flipped to a consumer to immediately downgrade what they received in with a replica controller and then sell the original controllers that came with the bundle the customer sold them originally after the side to be sold separately for even more money that’s the issue I have you should sell these bundles as they come in clean them up make them look nice yes but I don’t take in strip things away and sell them separately for a bigger profit

[@Satsui_No_Hado]

1,000% this , it's predatory

[@AliCan-ni3uy]

It's not only the sticks, but also the whole buttons. This feel of pressure point and clicking sound of an original controller is not comparable to a third party ones.

[@vinylsquad7776]

Makes sense.

[@NothingHereForYou]

But are the original in good condition? Id hate for it to only last a few months before I start noticing loose thumbsticks.

[@jonathonkees3300]

I would almost never recommend getting the replicas depending on what they are. I've broken the joy stick on two different gamecube replicas playing Rogue Squadron 3. For what it's worth, my opinion would be to shell out for the original, or a better quality replica (as in more than $20).

[@retrogamer64x]

The original controllers are also better for speedrunning games

[@StonerAmongstUs]

Replica controllers are for kids and friends that have a temper issue when losing, personally every console I've owned has been official products as I won't use 3rd party stuff. However replica wavebird controller for GameCube works just as good and can get 4or5 for price of 1 official wavebird.

[@finkamain1621]

The only 3rd party stuff that's good is Hori and 8BitDo. Every other 3rd party feels cheap and the thumbsticks no matter whatever console it's for are terrible

[@gfeast4518]

Original controllers are much better, but pretty cool to replace a bad stick with a GameCube joystick

[@MTJfan2017]

I got a gold replica controller for n64 to go with my standard original grey one and I gotta say, it was terrible. all the buttons and the control stick was all stiff and awkward. And the stick would start squeaking nonstop after continuous use. If you’re gonna buy a controller for your old system, just go for the originals.

[@MTJfan2017]

Oh yeah, when playing Mario 64 with it, When I left it alone mario would move by himself, despite me not even touching the controller, think of it like joy con drift but for the n64.

[@MileHighScaleModeler]

Can we see a video of how the original controllers are fixed if the joystick is laggy? Do they just get replaced with aftermarket or does DKO try to fix it with super glue, grease, and new internal parts but keeping the original stick and casing?

[@pedrosuarez193]

I was about to complain that they should make it clear you are getting replicas unless you upgrade on their page, but I first checked to see if I just missed it and I did, dang it I was so excited I just missed it 😔 o well I will enjoy the replicas for now I hope I have no issues playing Ocorina of time though.

[@BornAgainEle]

Man I really want a job here.

[@lockedine]

I am surprised you're actually honest about this.

[@Monorack]

Now I know what "substitute an original controller" means, thanks :D

[@flippyroyale5360]

Now I get it..

[@EpicNESMetal]

The transfer pack only works on original controllers. So if you want to play Pokemon Stadium 1 /2 with Pokemon Red/Blue/Gold/Silver.. you will need an original.

[@greatmastercory]

Every time I see a oem controller for any system at a thrift store I pick it up good or bad. At last count I’m at 30ish n64 controllers lol and I’m ashamed to say how many Wii motes I have. Out of the major systems I have a hard time finding oem Dreamcast controllers only got 4.

[@RippRoast83]

You need the og for waverace 64, starfox 64 f zero x mario 64 etc

[@4.7m_views]

Bruh how is this legal? I strongly doubt Nintendo was like “sure, copy our product as long as there’s no stamp with our name”.

[@ChairmanMeow1]

The joysticks just never feel like the same level of quality. Honestly I wouldnt even have any interest in a system without the original controllers. For NES and other non joystick ones though I have zero preference really.

[@jasonalexander4641]

I would always go for original controller

[@davec7601]

Or just buy it from a different source for a cheaper price

[@Simptendo]

The question is, should I try to upgrade to original AV cables or are replica/3rd party ones just fine 😂🤣🤣🤣

[@kenny241100]

And (personally) Snes' original and replica both work about the same. I haven't found much of a difference except durability The Brawler 64 (again, personally) smashes the replica and original N64 controller into the ground. Super responsive and convenient.

[@dreamcastergaming]

For my N64, I use an original and make all my friends use aftermarket.

[@chrisgill326]

If you have to replace the joystick on the OEM controllers you get in the shop, wouldn’t that make them feel non OEM?

[@Solidus0508]

Why not just put an OEM controller in the first place instead of default to a replica and charge a premium to get an OEM controller? Seems shady.

[@ultemad15red]

What do you think of the dreamcast strikerdc controller? Is it better?

[@lovlogs5117]

I just bought the Brawler64 and love it. I never liked the OG Dreamcast controller so I have to believe the StrikeDC is a great improvement.

[@ronaldmendoza1240]

Great videos but by default getting a replica controller no way and the upgrade for 2 original controllers is 60 dollars when the bundle is already on the upper 200 ... your talking almost 400 dollars no way...

[@coreybenoit9268]

They're not upgrades. They're the originals that come with the system and should come with the system bundles. Replicas should be sold as extra controllers.

[@adrenaliner91]

In other words: just use it for Mario Party 1 only

[@islandboy7271]

Awesome vids and channel. Honest and straight to the case! Keep it up guys!

[@bland9876]

Something I have learned is that if the controller looks like the Nintendo ro sega or whoever controller then it is usually not very good vs if it looks different than. The original controller. I had a replica SNES controller and I could not input diagonals on it. Don't get me started on the @play game I've controller I bought from GameStop eww I saw videos of people with Wii controllers and they would have syncing issues

[@brocks1stop342]

"Upgrade" to an original controller? You're admitting that 3rd party controllers dont work and they are the default with your system and you have to pay extra for authentic? Are you out of your mind?

[@ProWrestlingFan1995]

Does the memory cards work with them? 64 replicas?

[@Phan211]

I actually went to Gamestop to buy a Switch Pro Controller and they didn't have one. I hated it so much that I went to Walmart and just bought a Pro Controller that same day and returned the replica a couple days later. I think if you are gonna be playing seriously, it's worth the extra few bucks for a legit controller.

[@Deconstruction_Administrator]

The Afterglow controller is a... passable... substitute if a proper Pro Controller is outside of your budget. But it's licensed by Nintendo and officially approved. Not QUITE as good as the proper, but still LEAGUES superior to the unofficial and unauthorised 3rd party controllers.

[@Forzamon42069]

@@Deconstruction_Administrator Yeah my brother bought a Beboncool controller and it was garbage. Broke after a few months. I actually touched it myself and it was the cheapest thing I've ever felt, and I've eaten Aldi products before

[@sevenarazmus8104]

Original controllers for me, replicas for my kids.

[@cheezyfriez12]

That's not very good terminology. It would be clearer if it was just choosing between original controllers and replica controllers. The word upgraded made me think it was a normal controller with enhancements, like an N64 controller with a GameCube style joystick.

[@inputfunny]

I agree. I thought they would have upgraded sticks.

[@thomashenry691]

The replica ones break easy to

[@chaomac]

I used a rapid press controller for my old ps3 it helped me a lot when playing games when i was younger

[@shane87smith]

I can't think of a single time anyone said 'wow, even though I don't play this n64 much, I'm glad I have this inferior controller that is not as precise as I want'

[@edwardkareem6446]

Okay great video but here's the problem we shouldn't have to be paying more for an original control because back in the 90s when when you buy a Nintendo 64 it came within original control that's what people are mad because you're charging more for something that should not be charged

[@davidbradley834]

In my local second hand shop if you are trading in Eg SNES, Mega Drive, N64 you have to have the original controller. It was sold with original controller so should be sold with original controller. I suppose that's why people see DKoldies as a bit of a rip off

[@MichaelMartinez-pn6ur]

Can you sell your games and controllers on Amazon

[@thegamestation8879]

They already do I’m pretty sure

[@CheekyTankEngine]

I bought an N64 2-player set from your store and splurged on the OG controller option. I never got to fully experience the real thing before. I do have a replica USB N64 controller I use for emulation, which serves its purpose well enough, but the joystick is EXTREMELY stiff. I have to use a lot more force to move it around than I generally would with something like a Gamecube stick. I'm sure the real controllers will be better, though.

[@kingjaekob]

On The N64, the 3rd party controller, will break within 1-2 weeks! Many times, they arrive DOA (Dead on Arrival) I Know, cause I have a Shop! Same for Gamecube and NES! (many times, the NES 3rd party controllers, for some reason, will not go left) ON Super Mario Bros, when testing new straight out the box, Mario will go right, but not left, or squat down correctly! Very common issue!

[@Bidwellz9]

Bruh you charge an obscene amount for the bundles and you have to add a charge for actual controllers?!?!??!?

[@MrCreepjo]

Ok they charging so much for the console for them to be shipped with replicas and the website doesn't even have an option for choosing an original

[@TheShachattack13]

You can be sure that no one is breaking the sm64 speed run record on a replica controller

[@Soulintent95]

The replica n64 controller joysticks tend to come right off. They arent one piece, its literally a few centimeters of aluminum and the stick sits on top. Not even worth the cheap price.

[@Farzad117]

It is Ass!

[@Soulintent95]

@@ERDude which is why i recommend getting one of their refurbished ones. Dkoldies has terrible prices, but they actually do repair and maintain everything they sell so the average of a $20 premium is worth it in my opinion as a collector, and someone who is almost as old as the oldest console they sell on their site. And they actually do know how to properly fix and maintain their products too. Their main competitor, lukie games, has a habbit of ruining the things they fix IF they even bother to fix it at all. A good example is i bought an n64 controller that was refurbished from lukie games, and they messed up the stick so it no longer had full 360 degrees of movement. Bought one from dk, and it worked exactly how i remember the ones i had as a kid working, despite them completely changing out the stick. Which, by the way, was a superior stick.

[@EBdiesel08]

How is the original controller not bundled with the system? Never heard of this, but I guess this is one of those things that makes DK Oldies hated or disliked.

[@thebipolarbear1]

They don't work just fine unless you want to run around in goldeneye looking at bonds feet lol you'll find odd-job no problem

[@studbyte]

the fact he makes these vids yet ships out 3rd party controllers. 💀

[@michael-zg5fq]

So basically the default option is a over priced downgrade

[@brettbankowski1]

Y’all can’t say he didn’t tell you

[@xenolink9327]

Console should come with original controllers regardless

[@whocares5114]

For the insane prices you all charge for the USED systems originals should be included by default.

[@SNkRSbARS]

they should come with original controllers in the first place

[@Lyndenwick]

Man whoever made that irritable noise at the end needs to be fired, Joey is trying to speak!

[@ricky18redblack31]

Get better replicas. The originals are inferior with hudge flaws such as the joystick is weak and lack of supply (high cost due to rarity) plus age and a bit old fashioned (technology wise) It all matters on where the corners are cut. And cuz of that, given the options between the 2 controllers that you've presented, I'd stick to the original one for the time being. (Depending on the price)

[@That1PlaceBehindTheBush]

The analogue sticks of the n64 has a lot of calibration quirks that most “replicas” will not accurately emulate: 1. The shape of the octagonal gate 2. The sensor 3. The values (I believe the max the original controller will output is like 85 out of 128) Nerrel has a really good video on it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5Kcfp6ki6mrl6s

[@Digitaldelboy]

Agreed, most replica N64 controllers use a perfect octagonal gate like the gamecube controller and not a more squared octagon like the original N64 controller and for most games the difference is night and day. The only non Nintendo N64 controller I've seen with gates matching the original is the Hori one but thats over priced. Stick to the original.