What are your thoughts on this? 🤔

[@psychedelicspider4346]

"now you're just sounding like my mother" was comedic gold.

[@patriciaburchfield2909]

😂😂😂 I know right! 😂😂

[@tinydancer7426]

"Now you're just sounding like my mother!" Well, her supervisor keeps reminding her the work group is a family. Hi Mom! Toodaloo!

[@alisonmccrady9289]

😂🎉😂

[@joeboxter3635]

Now you are just sounding like my twin sister ... lol.

[@udontknowmeno]

The delivery and the TO DA LOO killed me 😂

[@benwalter1221]

“Are you at a hotel?” “No, actually this is my guest bedroom.”

[@Izabela-ek5nh]

Omg thanks. I couldn't understand this skit - I thought they were talking in person while working on their laptops the same time and it made so little sense 🤣 my brain is asleep till noon 😖

[@bookshelfhoney]

No I redecorated, but I don't actually love it so I'll probably get it changed back soon 😊

[@fluffytail6355]

Exactly. How t f would she know it’s a hotel unless she’s stalking me? It’s my spare room. Don’t ask and I don’t have to lie.

[@annekekramer3835]

Just to avoid this: always set a good background that does not clip into your cam or leaves white edges. I have one set in a cozy room with a hearth. The first time people see it, they component me about the background and after that they never question it ever again so they never know where I am and always assume I'm in the office.

[@GustavRex]

​@@Izabela-ek5nhI'm sorry, but how could you possibly think that lmao? Everything from their body language to the script clearly indicates they're speaking remotely...?

[@sampurnapal3652]

yes, I created boundaries like this at my previous job, and then they became extremely toxic towards me and I had to resign!!!

[@valiasa-di6hr]

@sampurnapal3652 exactly, this is the reality, not what these videos are showing! That's why they could be very harmful if someone decides to try their advices

[@gingerdad127]

It's an interesting point, when you create boundaries, you realise that it can be weaponised against you. Unfortunately, resigning was the inevitable option, but it clearly highlighted the awful work environment you were in. Hind sight, you did yourself a favour ❤❤❤

[@tiagodagostini]

There are lots of good companies around. IF workers were less afraid of wuitting and beign clear they they quit because of management practices.. soon these managers would be gone.

[@Odium16]

@@valiasa-di6hr you do realize leaving a toxic job trying to exploit you is a good thing, right?

[@ArnulfoSalgado]

@@valiasa-di6hrits harmful to stand up for Yourself and expose your employer as a piece of shit? No man, that’s doing yourself a favor

[@StaceyGlawe-hm9js]

The boss is a control freak bully. I love the way the employee handles it.

[@Ko700el]

my manager tried to bully me and it was funny as hell, i do proffessional video editing ( as a free lancer mostly) and video editing is someting that you can do from anywhere, i never went to any building for work since none who hired me ever had the hardware for me to work on, so when there was a writters meeting it was for videocalls and i used to take these videocalls from the beach or from local cafeterias xD and i gave them all the shit in the world for these kinda stupid questions.... - where are you ? - im at the local starbucks !! - why are you there ? - why wouldn't i be here ? - this is an inappropriate place of work !!! - starbucks ? - any cafeteria, you should be at your house - are you interested of hearing construction noises in the morning ? do you think they are more productive than quietness ? or should i tell them to stop doing noise so you wont have to see me at a coffeteria OR better yet, the beach :) - are you at the beach ? - yes - i can tolarate the coffeteria but you are being at the beach ? - tolerate ? first, i have to inform you that you are NOT my mother, second this is the construction in progress nearby my house (comera tilts up left) so im still experiencing the same problem, i also don't have electricity for the 10:00 - 13:00 because of the said construction, so starbucks are closed for this morning, SO I AM AT THE BEACH, nearby my house, if anyone here is jealous then you should have studied to not be there since im pretty sure nobody is there who can avoid it and my location as long as its not a vulgar place or doenst have anyone doing anything inappropriate should be nones concern, im alone at the beach, and that doesn't involve my productivity since i'm already ahead about 8 videos of schedule which is something i already emailed you and didn't bother to check just in case you wanted those video earlier as a courtecy from me to the company.... - ok sir, you seem to have an attitude problem - that becomes a problem ONLY when some people bring up stuff that are none of their concern or becomes jealous out of nowhere for some reason, i brought this up during the interview which you said word per word that you don't pay for gasoline expenses even tho your HQ is in the middle of nowhere and i replied would there be a problem since id have to work from home or anywhere RELEVANT PLACE NEARBY IT plus even if you wanted me to come there then unless you have a 5000+ pc i wont able to help you even if i had to pay out of my own pocket the gas to get there because you refused to do either (pay me the gas and by a pc for me to work there).....end of topic or i will have to go to our boss and i'm pretty sure he will agree with the one who is almost always ahead of schedule and never made ONE single problem than someone who had his feeling being hurt... i'm a very cheeky person when it comes to people trying to control me for no reason, even if that person is my manager.

[@davidlean8674]

Speaking as a senior manager. I had no problem approving my team members "working from home" even when it was their mother-in-law's home a quarter of the way around the world, in a different country. A few took 2 months which turned into 4 months away. They got their work done, made no difference to the team, and allowed their distant families to get reacquainted with new babies. Most importantly it showed that we valued their contribution to our business. And provided something more valuable to them than a wage increase, better work/life balance. Loyalty swings both ways.

[@sray5415]

I would be like “I have redecorated the guest room. Is that a problem? “ just to see how they would react.

[@Boredchinchilla]

My SO regularly changes his backgrounds to make it look like he is all over the place. He was in a stable from Breath of the Wild one day, an old timer brothel another. My favorite was the Death Star lol

[@chuckemtrad8541]

Close, but I have a better one. "my house is getting fumigated for pests and we needed to be out for three days." Or "My house is being renovated so I rented a hotel to prevent distractions and noise"

[@a.cuddle2514]

​@@Boredchinchillaoh my god, I want to be his best friend 🤣

[@vanillabeanlady]

@@Boredchinchilla I tried having fun like this but management had a sour face about it. Guess they want everyone to be as miserable as them.

[@thegurw1994]

​@@chuckemtrad8541 my sister used to work for a company that had an issue with it. Somehow every neighbour decided to schedule their exterior remodeling, concrete repaving, landscaping work, etc all consecutively! 46 weeks straight of it being too noisy to work from home! Even the city jumped in to repave her street and sidewalks midway. That one was actually legitimate, they discovered a sinkhole before it caused any major damage and so spent six weeks fixing it. But she essentially worked from a new hotel every second week for most of a year.

[@lesliemoiseauthor]

That's not "thinking in corporate.". It's "sulking in corporate."

[@grannysweet]

So f ing true 🎉🎉

[@Its-still-anna-alex]

Accurate

[@melsangelbard]

Nop, that's being the proud owner of a C.UNT corporate cup...😂😂😂

[@nakishodoglitterfox]

Agreed. And since when do you need approval to work anywhere remote? I thought that was the point of remote work?

[@fandomgirl94]

​@nakishodoglitterfox And don't CEO's brag about how many deals are made at a golf course?

[@DCD762]

I had a boss that demanded that from me once I told him that my contract didn't stipulate that I needed to inform the company everywhere I went. He said that it doesn't state in the contract but I must tell him always because if he didn't approve of certain locations I wished to visit/ travel to, I would be denied to be in that locations during my PTO or time outside my daily schedule I simply told him unless you're believing to be above labour laws I have 0 obligation to notify him where I'd go on my PTO or out of schedule time nor he has the authority to control my off time and location He fired me due to that, and I kept the emails, made a complain against the company, he had to pay me over 400k in compensation damages If memory doesn't fail me, when the court ordered him to pay, he turns to me after the court hearing, and says : " I wasn't serious in firing you, it was just to teach you a lesson to obey your superiors, I had intended to rehire you 1 year after it " I simply answered back : " Yeah, and as you were proved by the judge, the labour laws in this country aren't made based on his wishes and wants nor workers are to accept having their life damaged over his antics "

[@tangogolf846]

Funny how he said that AFTER the judgement. You were kinder than me, I would've coughed "bullshit" and walked away.

[@granand]

That was to save money.. Most probably, the company pays you & fires the manager

[@jclyntoledo]

I'm a little lost are you using PTO differently because I know that to mean paid time off and I don't understand what paid time off would have to do with you actually working remotely but not at home

[@SamuelJamesVideos]

Then everyone in the courtroom clapped. That boss that fired you? Jeffery Epstein.

[@SN-qd9qw]

As if you’d still want to work for him in a year. What a tool.

[@TheRealLetterTee]

I really liked the attention to tax detail. Remote employees often have differences pertaining to taxes that are very important to an employer. That said, none of those tax purposes involve, "i'm the employer and I want to control your life."

[@AD-wx1rt]

Treat your good employees like adults…treat the bad ones like children until they learn or you find more adults. My boss knows I roam the world…and she is does it too.

[@demonkiler2]

My boss treath me like a Child and i just ignore him if it isnt relevant it anoys him 24/7 but idc lol😂

[@shadowhuntress1371]

"What if I need you in the office?" "From where my home is to the office is about 1700 miles away. Are we going to open an expense account for me to fly there?"

[@FlashKillerX]

Would be nice. I’ve had workplaces make me fly into the office on my own dime nearly every week when I lived over 400 miles away. Safe to say I didn’t stay at that job for long

[@shadowhuntress1371]

@@FlashKillerX what are the laws in your area? I'm pretty sure that's illegal

[@goku2639]

@@shadowhuntress1371 it’s not when you apply for the job and they tell you it’s not 100% remote

[@shadowhuntress1371]

@goku2639 it is legal as long as the commute does not "cause undo hardship upon the employee." It's a tricky area, but, quite a few employment contracts do have clauses for accommodation for travel. Airplane rides aren't part of commutes like trains, buses, and cars.

[@elementalgolem5498]

​@@FlashKillerXI mean it's a tax deductable though. It evens out in the end. I have my commute reported for tax purposes and get 3000 back every year from deductions

[@TheChamp789]

Years ago I worked for a company where we took turns being on call, so as to monitor the machines that operated 24/7. In case something happened with one of them, the on-call person was to go to the office and fix the problem. I lived about an hour and a half from the office, so it would be a bit of a trip to go in if needed, but that was part of my job. One weekend, my wife and I decided to take a weekend vacation to the city where the machines were located. We found a very nice hotel about five minutes from the office. I was naive enough to tell my boss about my upcoming trip, and he told me that I couldn't go, that I needed to stay home in case something happened to one of the machines!

[@HariSeldon913]

I had a similar situation where there was a company that would have time critical data sometimes and they paid a premium to have my department on call so they could have the results back within an hour or so and we still used pagers. One time I was just leaving a store down the street from the office and the pager went off. I went straight in and called the customer back. He asked how long until I got to the office and didn't want to believe me when I said I was already there.

[@shireads2954]

What a freaking idiot. I sweat some of these managerial positions have a maximum IQ requirement of 80.

[@TalesFromTheShadows]

That's some Grade A stupid right there. Common sense was apparently not a requirement for his position...

[@TheChamp789]

@@TalesFromTheShadows You hit the nail on the head with that comment!

[@taylorjade6918]

That's when you "cancel" the trip 😅

[@MarshaLove0723]

😂 If camera is on, then backdrop is up. Always. That way there is no suspicious 'Why can't I see your background today, when I can normally see it?' They can't force you to not use one of those and show your home. I once watched a bunch of people ask questions about someone's home background - musical instruments, pictures, books on the shelf - and thought, 'Not my home, you nosy people..."

[@StressKind]

In case my home is tidy, I dont mind showing it and I like it if other people do that. Shows that we are all humans and not just worker drones

[@rebekahjimenez2808]

I'm proud of my home and don't mind showing it off.

[@timonix2]

I think they can here. Because they are responsible for your work environment even if you work from home.

[@faredce]

​@@timonix2then they are responsible for my morning coffee and the electricity I'm using while I'm at home (which they should be)

[@AshiStarshade]

​@faredce electricity maybe, coffee is not required for the work.

[@Michi9531]

I’m a member of the Executive team at our company and I literally don’t care where people work from or how long they work as long as they’re available for meetings or text comms during our business hours (which we are not meeting heavy outside of one team), and as long as their KPIs are met 🤷🏽‍♀️ granted, I have a high degree of trust and confidence in every member of our team which is small (

[@SugarSugarCreek]

Isn't it interesting how corporate's first inclination is that somebody is working from a hotel room because they are taking time off. There are a number of reasons to be in a hotel room not related to relaxing etc. Damage to ones home, be it storm/hurricane, in Florida, you can spring a slab leak, maybe a loud remodel is happening where contractors are at your home running equipment. Maybe a family member is receiving treatment for an illness and the employee has been advised to leave temporarily to avoid potential germ risks. Maybe it's Thursday or Friday and the employee is attending an out of town wedding, where they are able to complete work easily during their work hours, but arrived a day or 2 early because of flight limitations or planned activities, like the rehearsal dinner in the evening, not during work hours. If the employee is by contract, cleared to work remotely, their work is adequately being performed, it really isn't corporate's business.

[@fluffytail6355]

During a heat wave here, a lot of people didn’t have air conditioning at home so people who worked remotely moved into a hotel room to work (and sleep!) comfortably

[@jeffd5113]

that's micromanaging at it's finest and it's unnecessary

[@jessicabuckley1221]

Not really. If the hotel is across state lines the company is now bound to labour law where you are physically working. And if you've crossed into. Stare like California that gas some wildly different laws... Problems. The company needs to have a policy about it's okay to stay local but you need to get permission to be somewhere outside the normal boundaries. Heck I worked remote for a company in a different county. I could work in my home county and in the corp. County but nowhere else. They had to fix payroll so that my taxes were deducted for the right location. Because my county rate was different. If I had moved and they couldn't make it work I'd have stopped being remote.

[@nil3552]

@@jessicabuckley1221 if you watched the entirety of the video, she does mention she's not staying somewhere else long enough to affect taxes.

[@AndrewSBaker]

​@@jessicabuckley1221- it takes a number of days before a location becomes a nexus for tax purposes.

[@tonyageorge8972]

Exactly 😂

[@tonyageorge8972]

@@AndrewSBakerexactly

[@Jaymac720]

Home is where the WiFi is

[@elenabob4953]

Not in Europe where you need to declare it because if an accident happens during working hours or in your way to and from the office it is considered a work related incident.

[@lynneanderson4255]

​@elenabob4953 - Wow! That's because Europeans care about their employees. In the U.S. if you get into an accident on the way to work, tough luck, thoughts and prayers. It will not be considered work related. Therefore, in the U.S., home is where the WiFi is.

[@darkbut8864]

@@elenabob4953 not to say diferent taxes from contry to contry, so yeah you need to be at home were you declare you work remote

[@CyberFlare-fn9kn]

@@darkbut8864in the video she said it wasn’t enough time for that to be an issue

[@Jaymac720]

@@elenabob4953she’s at a desk all day. Not much room for incidents, and if they do occur, it’s not the company’s fault. I believe in company accountability, but if you did it to yourself, then they have nothing to be accountable for

[@petestevenson1004]

If an employer allows their employees to work remotely and put it in their contract, then the employer by definition cannot, and most not, expect them to come to the office at a moment's notice. If you need someone in the office at all times, then make arrangements for that ahead of time, or hire some ppl as in-office personnel. Simple, sorted, done. But apparently that makes too much sense lol.

[@wjmackenzie955]

If the solution makes sense and actually works, corporate will likely do the opposite. But not always, with corp-rats, it's not actually about results, it's about power and control.

[@Sylvestre6598]

Well, not sure how it works in the US, but in most of Europe, because of insurance policies, if you are supposed to be working from Home, you need to be at Home. You cannot work from another location. Well you could, but you would be liable for any faults happening to you or your work (Accidents, data breach, yadi yada)

[@laurenarigo3894]

Some industries require you to be able to arrive at the office any time even on weekends within two hours to take drug tests.

[@1restingwitchface]

In some cases, they can. That is why WFH is treated as a flexibility accorded to employees, with some restrictions. Apart from social security or insurance policies, there could be an emergency that requires an employee to be on site within a reasonable time frame. It happens very rarely, but employers need to cover all bases.

[@julieannmyers8714]

​@1restingwitchface you are aware that you sound insane, right?

[@witchy90210]

I have had this conversation with employers regarding th ADA in the US. If requested as a disability related accommodation, if th work can be done remotely thats all that matters. Cuz thats all thats should be important to the employer, if you do your job. No more, no less.

[@tabithawilks4434]

As an HR professional, it usually comes down to the circumstances. For example, let’s say you are not taking a vacation; If you travel to a foreign country where it is common to lose access to internet required for your work, it can potentially have a negative impact on your work, your team’s productivity, failure to meet deadlines, and so on. On the other end of this spectrum, we have an employee who wants to work from a library, Starbucks, or similar place. Productivity and availability may not be an issue, but risking confidential information being seen by passersby or exposed over an unsecured connection can be devastating as well. My point is that all facts must be considered in these situations. Not everyone is capable of working remotely - if distractions are too great and affect productivity, they can be required to return to the office, or risk termination for poor performance. If you approach things factually and logically, issues are less likely to occur.

[@julieannmyers8714]

No one likes the kind of people self-selected for HR BS to devote their waking life... good example why. Glad I'm retired... they used to be slimy... apparently, now they're self-declared demi-gods who were formerly paralegals. Geezus.

[@deshyvin]

If security and production are not affected though, then mind your own business.

[@littlebugsmith]

Yeah you sound like an HR person alright

[@m_n_a_b]

Thank you for clarifying. It's interesting to see both sides of a situation. I have worked at a place like she details in these videos. The environment was highly toxic. They had huge turnover rates. Those who had my same position worked there long enough to get the required 2-3 years experience most other employers want to see on a resume, and then the employee would leave. They were awful. My direct supervisor acted like the woman from The Devil Wears Prada. She was a nightmare. In situations like these videos highlight, she is typically not trying to show an instance where a security or production issue is occurring. She's showing the nonsense of overreaching management who think they own people. If neither is an issue, it truly should not matter if an employee took a long weekend to a place with reliable wifi and are working remotely during their contracted hours.

[@thefishingpol]

In other corporate words: we pay you, we own you, we wanna control you.

[@goku2639]

I mean, you applied there

[@Jedislayer19]

​@goku2639 don't you have some boots to polish? If you've got time to type, you've got time to lick.

[@thefishingpol]

@@goku2639 no where in an application or contract does it say that if given the job, they own my life. If it says work hours 9-5 then that's all they're getting. To expect more beyond their description,they are the ones breaking that contract

[@7.3PSDA2]

Yes but theres a work/home status that is usually agreed up when starting the job.

[@edithflores2015]

Why did I read this as if a group of cheerleaders was shouting it?

[@kelseycrosen9637]

My thoughts are that managers who care about that can suck it. "Quiet vacation" if my work is being done correctly and on time, then it's no one's business as to where I'm doing it.

[@RequiemPoete]

Although making sure your location doesn't change your tax situation is something I wouldn't have considered

[@lineseyaether]

@@RequiemPoeteits taxes and also labor laws. generally speaking the worker is covered by the taxes and labor laws of the state *they* are in. not the employer. for example, if someone was hired by an oregon company, who at the time lived in oregon, then they are covered under Oregon laws. if they move to California, they are now under cali laws (and tax bs), and the company can get in trouble for violating cali labor laws. obviously the theory behind this is to prevent companies in states with few to no labor laws, having all their remote employees bound to those lesser laws, but it absolutely creates headaches if an employee changes states without telling the employer. it’s also why some smaller employers that allow remote work, will not accept applicants from certain states, or even out of state at all, as it adds the overhead of multiple state’s laws.

[@raixira]

​@@lineseyaetherIt's my understanding that applicable labor and tax laws change after a period of time. So an employed can't just hop a state border and different laws suddenly apply with respect to their employment. But maybe I've misunderstood.

[@RequiemPoete]

@lineseyaether But surely that only applies to living in said state. Obviously, if I go on a business trip across state lines, my taxes don't change. I have to assume a weekend work vakay is the same.

[@donovandelozier7156]

​@@RequiemPoeteif you live in new york but work in person in new jersey, new jerseys laws take precedent. For remote work I think it isn't where you live that decides it but where you do the majority of your work from that dictates what state laws apply. If that understanding is accurate a company tracking how much time you spend in a given state is reasonable.

[@susanking3974]

When my dad had major surgery, my bosses were so great about having me work from his house while helping him during recovery. They are family men who totally understood.

[@kayladawson6871]

That sounds like a great working relationship where they support your needs and you don’t take advantage of that flexibility.

[@Domwpiemonte]

It’s amazing how you handle this conversations. I quit corporate because of this.

[@AlineGOliveira]

🖤⛑Some abusive famillies also worst than that🧤🧿

[@12himitsu12]

​@@AlineGOliveirawhen you have both it's the worst by far

[@bartegexe8182]

"I would like you to inform me of your location when not at home" "I would like to see you in court"

[@ginavanfleet5386]

I saw someone say once: “anytime you’re not looking at your employee they might as well be working remotely” exactly! If you have enough time to watch me then you don’t do enough for the company. If you don’t have time to keep eyes on me then why does it matter if I’m in the office or at home? I’ll get my work done regardless. If I underperform then you can fire me. Trust me, I won’t.

[@laroybell3313]

This woman and Veronika are teaching us how to handle crazy bosses 😂

[@jclyntoledo]

Oh my gosh Veronica is my favorite

[@amandamurray616]

Is Veronica another youtuber?

[@joebrowser775]

@@amandamurray616yes, look up “customer service academy” or “veronica customer service” and you’ll find her

[@Moosetick2002]

@@amandamurray616 Sometimes, this is Veronica

[@user1.2__.__]

Who is Veronica?

[@pinkbiohazardmercurialcoll7133]

They just jealous they didn't think of working elsewhere in a place of comfort...

[@CaptainSoftboy501]

Fr!!! I was thinking that!!

[@CaptainSoftboy501]

I bet they gotta stay in the office 🤣🤣🤣

[@MerryWonderland]

I was told that any time i worked elsewhere that i had to inform her or HR in case they needed to do an emergency check-in, and they visit my house and find im not there.... i could've laughed. I work for the government, btw lol

[@mattconw]

Tax lawyer here. Technically its not just prolonged period. Significant activities and repeated brief trips (even if by multiple employees) can give rise to nexus

[@allalala9916]

A neighbor of mine works for a company on the other coast of the USA. She has been here for two years now with zero issues. Visited her old state for the first time this month to see her family.

[@queenbey6678]

That's a totally different story and she definitely had to get approval if moving to another state. That's not the same as going on a little vacay and logging in from the beach.

[@transformativegreenspacest1898]

I think those were the tax consequences mentioned in the skit would come into play

[@allalala9916]

I am not sure about all the details but she does patient information for a hospital and they live off of one income because housing is much cheaper where I live

[@McBehrer]

"well how do we know you're actually working?" "well, is my work getting done?" "yes..." "then that's how you know."

[@bcase5328]

She isn't getting paid for her off hours. Her on hours are producing. The "vacation" is solely being acted upon during off hours. Her work isn't paying for any "vacation".

[@colleennikstenas4921]

The only time it might be an issue is if an incident occurs at your location that might require insurance or worker’s comp.

[@loadsotroubleforyou]

I think the rules for that change for all remote work anyway, so the location won't matter

[@Esztibaba5]

It does if you're not working from a location approved (an thus insured) by your company. At least that's how Hungarian law is interpreted at our company. You can ask permission for locations other than your home as well, as long as those also fill the minimum requirements set by the company policy.

[@amyeff7279]

Is Loe Canadian or American?

[@loadsotroubleforyou]

@@amyeff7279 Canadian

[@bigmachine911]

​@@Esztibaba5def not how it works in the US

[@jfinney225]

I couldn’t agree more. If your job is a remote job, this should be a non-issue. Period. 🤷‍♀️

[@hannahcrain8238]

This has the same vibes as eating in a zoom class and the teacher telling you not to eat in their "classroom" but you're at your house

[@randomaccount8001]

It actually depends. With my dad they aren't worried much if he is within the same state and on a secure provate network, but if he goes out of state or especially out of country because it is a security concern. I guess this depends on where you work, but this is a genuine concern for some companies. I still agree with most points made in this , just gotta be careful.

[@caesarion1399]

How would it be a security concern out of state, I get if it is put of the country. Unless in something critical like military.

[@alexweigel]

@@caesarion1399 insurance incase anything happens. The company might only have insurance for one particular State.

[@FoxyfloofJumps]

@@caesarion1399 Not all states have the same legal standards for encryption or wifi security. Also, some hotels and many public locations have non-existent security against phishing, middleman, and echoing attacks.

[@Coral_Forever]

This is a flaw with the insurance system. ​@@alexweigel

[@jclyntoledo]

I don't think they have to let the job know as most job descriptions and contracts will say they have to do their job in that state specifically if they are working remotely

[@Thephoenixrebirth84]

I love all of this videos. Unfortunately none of this conversations can truly take place without being called insubordinate or being fired

[@misspriss2482]

This. That is what all of these cute KZbin skits have in common. They don't work in the real world. You would be fired.

[@gingerbeardza]

In South Africa, some companies use the reason "if you get hurt at a location other than was authorised then the company would be liable and that is their concern" so they ask us to first get email confirmation before working from wherever . Other reason is the data on our laptops are also at risk of being exposed, especially if working in a public location.

[@whtalt92]

There are plenty of solutions for the latter reason.

[@3182john]

That’s why savvy and smart IT professionals utilize VPNs

[@nunuvyerbizness]

The latter reason is how a NATO General compromised sensitive information over an insecure hotel wi-fi. ​@@whtalt92

[@ForeverRancor]

This was my experience as a case manager. My supervisor also told me to add and specify all my NON WORK activities in the company schedule, and when I did, she demanded I come into the office on my apartment move-out date so I could work on notes. Never again.

[@glengearhart5298]

There are a few things to consider. 1) What kind of work are they performing? I used to work for a Quality Control and Testing Firm working on video games and other software. So where she connects to the internet from could be EXTREMELY important. 2) "Could you be in the office in 2 hours?" An emergency could arise that she would be required to be present to correct/handle. 3) And most importantly, if she is not on a contract, her attitude would be enough to have her employment terminated. Most employment is "At Will" and can be terminated at the employer's discretion. Especially for insubordination!

[@helenromanelli2544]

Really? So in the corporate world now, any reply other than Jawhol, delivered with a snappy salute and a click of the heels, is Insubordination ? Wow. No wonder people are quiet quitting.

[@johnwrclinton]

I agree that the employer shouldnt have any concern about the location from which you work. But...the "prolonged period" for tax purposes is pretty much measured in days - i.e., CA wants workers to pay taxes whenever that worker is in their state. But other than keeping Payroll informed, nobody else needs to care what your location is.

[@bngr_bngr]

Some states consider one day others as much as 30 days. An employee might end up filling out multiple tax returns or in some cases being doubled taxed.

[@ZiggyGrok]

IIUC, it does get sticky if you work in a state where your company doesn't already do business. That can incur real costs to get that straightened out, apparently

[@stephiebella]

Not just CA. Lots of states have similar rules.

[@mreese8764]

Never ever entering NYC and for sure not sleeping there seems important

[@sydneyharbour-bridges8090]

Who does this? No one who brings their laptop so they can leave a few days earlier for vacation is going to pay taxes in that state.

[@karmas8864]

Answer in tears and sobs while muttering something that would tug at the heart strings. Like, "house... fire... dog... died... saved my work laptop... for your convenience." I don't have it in me to work in corporate environments. 😂

[@damianwright3690]

If I didn't like the job that much, in the case of a fire I'd save everything important and sacrifice the laptop to the gods of "how did that get there?"

[@Kennylotr]

I remember that our HR told me that It could have complications for the accident insurance if something happens when an employee does home office in a different country (outside of Switzerland).

[@carolineg3079]

Also tax issues and needing a work visa

[@alltamarr]

At least this makes sense.

[@chrisbirkens8606]

More realistic "oh you're out of town? Good there's in person meetings for the rest of the month, see you there."

[@NotACupcake]

My company has a policy that we cannot work out of the state that we currently reside in, if we do we have to get approval to work in whatever state we are planning on going to. If it is a permanent move we may be terminated. Luckily, i’m a hermit so i’m content staying where I am at. If I want to go somewhere else I will use the two weeks of accumulated PTO I have to do so. I work at a good company and I have wonderful bosses so i’m very grateful and thankful for that. I do not mind following company policies that are clearly stated and easily accessible. ❤

[@cliffcorson4000]

Depending on the work itself it could be considered a security concern

[@TheBT]

Exactly, the answer is ‘it’s complicated’

[@Surax]

I work with confidential info (personal client data) and it is definitely a security concern. Our IT department has setup our laptops so that they can't connect to our network if they're outside of the country.

[@noobgoestrapping5084]

@@Suraxhowever all of that should be outlined in company policy. If it isn't there it's fair game.

[@cliffcorson4000]

@@noobgoestrapping5084 not as simple as that In some cases individuals have access to items that can be harmful to a business, yet they are needed by that individual as part of a remote access. In order to limit exposure a business would need to lay out a whole list of rules and exceptions to those rules As an example, I work as a service technician for a restaurant group. In that capacity I have remote access to all the stores in the company. That access allows me to "see" a number of systems in the stores as part of it. I can do remote checks/service on various systems including purchasing and stocking systems. In that I am requires to use a specific program that requires authentication at various and random times as part of the security.

[@koenven7012]

@@noobgoestrapping5084 true, and given the security (or lack thereof) on some home networks, I would be very reluctant to allow WFH for those kinds of things. A decent business hotel probably has better security on their network than a lot of people have at home (or at least it should).

[@alexalexandrov9684]

One issue that could arise is public wifi is notoriously not safe if your working with proprietary let alone confidential things you shouldn’t be on wifi networks that aren’t your own

[@namy-fluid]

Yeah and I think these policies exist to keep client data safe. Not to restrict the employee 😭

[@lisahines532]

Yes, I was going to say this is also true for some jobs. I am a therapist and have to be careful which WiFi networks I connect from. But also, there are all kinds of extra hoops I have to go through if I am out of the country. Otherwise, they could care less where I work from when I am remote.

[@realistpassing934]

A company laptop should always have a VPN in use anyway. This protects even on at home WiFi However, the concern of private info that others can physically see is more of a problem for public places. And still there are steps to reduce the issue of privacy - working with a screen guard, choosing a more out of the line of eyesight etc.

[@DrRusty5]

VPN and/or cellular connection avoids the risks of using a public WiFi network.

[@b.julienetodd9392]

That's a big leap. If you haven't changed the password on your home wifi that's not secret either. My job has a VPN so if you're submitting private docs it should never be on public wifi.

[@RosePhantoma]

it can, in certain lines of work, be a security issue, so I'm mixed on this. on the one hand, you are getting your work done. on the other, if your supervisor is concerned about security, that's a different story. also my work setup is more than a laptop so I'm stuck at home anyway 😅

[@suhaniselamat]

If it's a security issue, then it should have been written down as a policy ahead of time. Not questioned out of nowhere upon seeing the employee with a different background.

[@fspamss]

You'd probably find the security issue in a different section about what kind of networks you can connect your work machine to rather than where you physically are

[@suhaniselamat]

@@fspamss and thus, the question a boss should ask upon seeing a different background is about the network you're connected to, not arguing about needing you at home in case you need to come back to the office. I worked with sensitive data 10 years ago. We literally had only desktops at the office tied to landlines and in the event we couldn't come in to the office, we'd sign out paper files and use pre-agreed upon code words for online meetings. I don't know if it was just security theater or effective security, but it was laid out ahead of time and staff knew that if they weren't at the office, any data leaks were on their heads and they'd better take precautions. Security is something that should be proactively drummed into employees on a regular basis, not a single line in an obscure it manual.

[@LilyMac049]

“Absolutely not that’s breach of my personal privacy, and if you ask again I’ll be speaking with HR”

[@Persainlady]

Normally HR supports the employers. After all they are get paid by the employers .

[@NyoshaM]

​@@PersainladyHR's obligation to deal with work relationships, if that manager is beyond its authority. Even if it's the company policy ideally HR should negotiate about it, as HR is responsible for retaining an employee.

[@SenbonzakuraTenshou1]

the only reason for the location actually is if by mistake you hurt yourself during work, like you go to the bathroom you slip and you hit yourself, then it would be considered a work accident if they know your location

[@TheBT]

There are insurance and security risks in some roles for working away from registered locations, but it is complicated.

[@kristakammerer4632]

I work with HIPAA sensitive data as long as there is a password on the wifi I work through a double secure VPN it doesn't matter where.

[@GMMedic]

Sounds like just another lame excuse to me! Issue them a VPN password token and call it a day.

[@jacobg8640]

​@@GMMedic It's actually a legit concern for certain industries with specific rules and regulations regarding data protection. A VPN isn't always sufficient.

[@tomcavanaugh5237]

Your videos awaken unpleasant repressed memories.

[@jojoaugustus1383]

I don't know if it's the same in the US or Canada, but in France, it's technically forbidden because of insurance policies. If you get hurt at work, your company's insurance will cover it, if you get hurt at home - while working, during working hours - your company's insurance will cover it, since they allow you to work from home. However, if you're elsewhere, well, that it's not covered, but your company can still be in trouble. Hence the fact that they most likely won't let you work elsewhere. Now, that's only on paper. Most companies don't care

[@anitavaughn1968]

Gotta love bosses who think they are allowed to create their own “company policy” for their departments.

[@deldrinov]

As IT / security, I think I just popped a blood vessel.

[@elenabob4953]

In Europe it is a problem because if something happens to you it is considered work related so you need to declare from where you are working from.

[@abryn6864]

That's true of any remote work though.

[@Debilinside]

This is not true. Companies say its an EU law, but its BS. Companies are responsible for providing you with a safe work if you job has to be performed in specific locations, but if you have a hybrid contract or permanent WFH contract its your responsibility. If you are SENT somewhere or traveling for business purposes thats an entirely different story.

[@sheriffzebedee]

​@@Debilinside🎯🎯🎯

[@ForgottenKnight1]

For contractors, at least, there are no such laws.

[@deeps6979]

So, you *do* have the terms of your WFH agreement detailed out, or at least you should. There's security issues that could come up that may need approval or solutions first. That in mind, I like how the first question is "Where is that in the policy?" Which, lol, did not have a satisfactory answer. XD

[@gordonm2821]

Lots of companies don’t have a WFH agreement. Security does not really come in to it. Your VPN connection is moving your desk further away from the office. Main issue is trust.

[@corylcreates]

I have a remote-only job and the only requirement is stable internet connection. Any security concerns are handled with the online workspace we use, not my device location.

[@Grigeral]

​@@gordonm2821 do you have any idea how few companies actually use vpn for standard staff? I've had staff connect to public wifi, get hit by a watering hole attack and bring malicious actors onto our network. It's absolutely a problem...

[@Grigeral]

​@@corylcreatesthe difference there is remote. Contractually, you can have either WFH or remote. One allows for this more naturally, the other does not

[@Mr__V]

My mother works at a bank and had an employee who was a partial wfh partial in office. He kept traveling around and causing issues with the log in security always tripping IT protocol cause his approved IP kept changing due to him being at hotels, friends houses ect. Depending on the confidentiality of your work, security does impose more strict protocols about where you are connecting from.

[@catstreat9434]

Our company does require your remote location to be private to you, lockable, and have no distractions, and they can audit your location at any time. So unfortunately our remote peeps DO have to let mgmt know if we aren't going to be working from home, and it is policy. But it's a fair trade for not having to go into the office IMPO.

[@sydneyharbour-bridges8090]

So you can’t go to the local library if the internet in your house?

[@AnarexicSumo]

​@@sydneyharbour-bridges8090 No, and you wouldn't want to anyway. Public networks are horrendously insecure and you're just inviting a breach that WILL be traced back to you. Better to enjoy a day off.

[@lenaruibina]

Feels like parents or pet owners can't work in your company because of the "have no distractions" rule :)

[@margosaur]

​@@AnarexicSumoany company worth the paper its incorporation articles are printed on will have an encrypted VPN to connect to company files

[@Kyt2024]

If you live in a reasonable proximity to the office, it’s not at all unreasonable for an employer to expect to be notified if you are working out of range where you could make it in, as they reserve the right to call you into the office for a variety of reasons. It’s also just basic respect for your employer to keep them informed when you are traveling as this can have other impacts on your ability to work.

[@karapirolo9052]

I can just say that in EU and countries who have agreements now with the EU are super strict to having people working from anywhere (outside of the country you have a contract in)... It's annoying, YES! Annoying paperwork, YES! And companies need to comply...

[@maximmg3708]

For some jobs this may be an issue, depending upon the internet network used to remote work. Ensure you have all the required software before attempting this, as well as a full understanding of the remote work policy

[@sapajul]

In my country this would be a huge issue for several reasons insurance and IP protection are two of the main.

[@swtlisa]

There are ways to use authentication practices and secure logins. Some companies just don't want to make the effort.

[@JT4NN3R]

@@swtlisa That still doesn't protect the remote device. It's a costly, and hazardous effort that exists for the soul purpose of making employees happy.

[@sapajul]

@@swtlisa Sure, that doesn't fix the insurance issue. Here is mandatory for companies to have a insurance for all its workers, and that insurance company usually demands to have a control environment for every work place, so changing locations requires a verification from the safety team, no mater the time.

[@theChistu]

And that's why we put the background filter up on the video call.

[@wolflinggon5664]

You’d be surprised how many companies don’t allow those. My husband took an emergency video call from his boss while we were on vacation at the beach. The boss didn’t believe he wasn’t using a filter

[@MarshaLove0723]

We are not using cameras at this point, but that's one of the reasons I have a physical backdrop available.

[@mi16t]

Yep, you have to be aware of this and set the expectation. For example, the best thing to do is always use a white wall behind you with no other defining details. White walls are easy to find.

[@brycepatties]

If the ability to be physically in the office with little to no notice is a necessary part of the job, you should be informed of that when you take the job, and it should be a company policy.

[@avalonplemel8933]

That being said, depending on your exact field, for security reasons, some companies absolutely put limits on where you can work remotely, requiring privacy. A hotel room should satisfy all conditions, but clarify those policies ahead of time

[@ExploreFL2022]

Hi Everyone. As a network security/cybersecurity engineer here please keep in mind that if you do travel or work remote away from home organizations can implement security policies that could block the country your IP address is coming from. In my practice if that was the case the user would provide the IP address of where they are working from and it would be temporarily allowed while requiring your connected to a VPN to access company resources. It's best inform your supervisor or manager to avoid technical complications like this but overall I 100% agree with this video.

[@DaddyBeanDaddyBean]

We interviewed a guy who said he lived in Phoenix, for a 100% remote position. When we hired him a few weeks later, he lived in LA. A few weeks after that, trying to work out a good meeting time for our east coast employees plus this guy on the west coast, he said "oh, no, not a problem, I live in Virginia." Seems his wife is a traveling nurse and he just travels with her, working from the hotel wherever they land. This is a nightmare for payroll, withholding state taxes appropriately, and impossible on a federal government contract, as they assign hardware from the depot nearest to where the contractor lives - if the contractor moves, they have to turn in their equipment at one site and draw new from another. He talked himself right out of the job anyway, as he let slip he had been traveling all day on a certain day when his timesheet showed 8 hours working. Fired for wage theft.

[@swansuz]

I find travel days are often excellent days to get work done, especially if it involves transiting airports with lots of layover time or long-distance flights. Or working while someone else is driving. Or sitting on a train or bus between cities. Creative managers would see that.

[@DaddyBeanDaddyBean]

@@swansuz They didn't arbitrarily fire him, bang, done - there were other issues already, other red flags, and when a manager noticed his timesheet said 8 hours but he mentioned traveling all day, they asked him if he had really worked 8 hours... and he admitted he had done no work at all. It was the last straw.

[@susanwoodbridge7967]

When I worked in an office I was covered by their insurance policy. There are some complex legal issues, apart from tax, to be considered from a safety pov. Part of the wfh situation includes the worker agreeing that certain minimum safety conditions are met. It’s one of those things that people often don’t think about until they need support - then they realise that HR is there to protect the company, not them.

[@ObiwanNekody]

It can be a major problem for businesses. They have to follow the labor laws of where the person works. If you move your working location without letting them know, they may end up in legal hot water.

[@TheStevedie]

Some companies do have a right to know/limit where you are working remotely. But its a very limited amount that have a justifiable reason.

[@lepiboyo201]

As someone who's home is a "travel van" .. xD i resonate highly with this~

[@BigHeadClan]

A lot of companies IT departments block remote access if you are outside the country, so in some cases yes you do actually need to let them know ahead of time if you are travelling to other countries.

[@Kyt2024]

100%. It’s also just generally respectful and professional to inform your manager.

[@Kyt2024]

This entire situation and her unprofessional responses could have been avoided by giving a simple heads up that she will be traveling but still working.

[@afckingegg7585]

​@@Kyt2024why does my boss need to know my location at all times?

[@spoonierv1543]

That’s why God gave you a VPN.

[@nope69555]

VPN into your home network and then connect. Simple as setting a VPN point up in your house.

[@TheMrMused]

"My location is currently in front of my laptop, working, as expected and compensated for. Should you desire my geographic location, that's far, FAR above your pay grade. Actually, that's above EVERYONE'S pay grade."

[@sheriffzebedee]

Absolutely 🎯

[@ALrinea]

Screw corperate! That is the exact reason, I became self-employed!

[@TheRealGfreak45]

The true risk to this is connecting to public networks. Employees are the biggest risk to the security of a system and public networks like hotels, coffee shops, etc are a huge vector of attack. Social engineers will ask where your employees hang out on CS calls just to find a place to fish for access etc. Often times that is the policy because of this but also often times managers don't know why the policy is that way either and make up reasons leading to interactions like this.

[@mowgli2071]

One easy way to never let them know is simply to buy 4 flat sheets. Tack one up on the wall with thumbtacks and have that be your backdrop. When it needs to be washed, take it down and replace it with one of the other three that are clean. Do that everywhere you go. For seating use a folding camp chair. Use this chair everywhere you go. Use the same folding camp table for your laptop support, everywhere you go. And so on...

[@CrystalKStearns]

Yeah my work made me sign a telework policy which says we can only telework from home because any other internet than home or the office could be dangerous. They don't take into account personal hot spots. But yeah I don't get to do it from other places

[@allalala9916]

Can you move out of state or country and work from home there?

[@cjraymond7216]

My company does actually require we report a 2nd work location and get approval to work elsewhere. But I would 100% agree if no policy to this was in place.

[@Kyt2024]

It’s also just generally respectful to your employer to make them aware of situations where you are not working from your usual location. Like same city different house likely doesn’t matter for most remote workers, but out of country, yeah.

[@cjraymond7216]

@@Kyt2024 a lot of times it's because they need to know where their property is. If you have a company laptop with company information on it, they may want to control where you can take it and what networks you can connect it to. I work for a State Government and we aren't allowed to take state property out of the country and Management is strongly discouraged from approving us to take it outside of the state for non-state business. Also, if you go missing, your employer is going to be one of the people they ask about where you last were and the last time you logged into work. It can be helpful in those situations for them to know where you are.

[@Kyt2024]

@@cjraymond7216100% valid. I work for a bank and it’s very similar

[@c.barrett5114]

Add it to the policy then! Second 😂

[@VivianaRovira]

I'd love that was like this down in my country (no US). Due to insurance limitations, employers need to give the national insurance company your home address. So it is quite literally WFH. If you need to apply the insurance on a WFH day, but the accident (fall or similar) happened in other address than your home, then you are in trouble and the insurance doesn't work. Beside this, if internal IT security audits shows that you used

[@TracyKMainwaring]

My husband works for a govt department and it was written into their last contract that they must be able to get to their office within 30min if working remotely. Most of the staff can't even do that ever. No one can afford to live where the office is.

[@Angelderbat]

The one exception where this level of control is okay is if your work requires a high level of internet security because you are dealing with sensitive data. Most hotel wifi is not very secure, so I can see where there would be conflict here. However, this is still very controlling management behavior.

[@Surax]

I work with confidential info (personal client data) and it is definitely a security concern. Our IT department has setup our laptops so that they can't connect to our networks if they're outside of the country.

[@mlindholm]

Because they don't use some form of WPA security? That shouldn't matter, as a person could (shouldn't, but could) also set their home wifi that way. All traffic should be encrypted with TLS 1.2 if not 1.3, and ideally some form of VPN anyway.

[@pamalamielnicki9767]

We always use a VPN for security

[@sydneyharbour-bridges8090]

That’s why the company has a VPN!

[@stitchfinger7678]

If what you do is that sensitive, they wouldn't even have a remote job for it.

[@JonathanDavisKookaburra]

I could never work in a corporate environment because I could never stand to deal with this kind of thing. Your channel is soooo satisfying to me.

[@jtidema]

Depends on the corporation. Her channel is amusing to me because it's the opposite of my corporate work environment. I've been "telecommuting" for about 20 years. No one needs to know where I am or asks, except out of friendship and curiosity.

[@Kyt2024]

The manager is actually fully in the right here.

[@soggybawsmoto]

You've just justified your role being outsourced to a country with cheaper labour. Ive always said this about remote working.

[@lumonetic1124]

how exactly? its the same work being done, you're just not in traffic at 8 am

[@soggybawsmoto]

@lumonetic1124 im a UK employee of a global corp headquartered inthe States. Our IT has been outsourced to India, our finance outsourced to Poland.These used to be local UK roles. It's the same work, getting done on time, just somewhere else - cheaper. It gets worse. Since COVID alot of our administrative functions (even customer facing)are now being done by what Management joyfully call Robots. (AI Automation) They think they are not scaring people by calling AI, Robots, but they don't realise they are insulting those replaced. Of course that resource can be better allocated. Nope, the headcount can be. If it can be done elsewhere, your UK/European/US remote working role can be outsourced. If it can be reliably procees mapped, it can be eliminated. The irony is that as a user, our IT has never been better. We no longer have to massage UK gatekeeper egos to get anything done. Our finance not so much. Very frustrating to deal with - no ownership - just numbers - no customer consideration.

[@td2222]

​@@soggybawsmotoUK gatekeeper egos 😂 when dealing with westerners that's always a stumbling block.

[@NilsEckelt]

When working remotely for a german company, there might also be an insurance issue, when you’re not working in Germany or EU. As any accident during work hours is a work accident also in home office and the insurance companies don’t cover globally.

[@oliverstrauss3336]

There are several reasons why this is actually legal, but it depends on the company and your tasks/workload. My company requires me to be in a two hour commute to my office or my client office when I work from home in case of emergencies. There are also legal issues related to the location you are working (like working abroad is not always possible and requieres a review of the DSP policy). Plus all the issues with confidentiality, data protection and public/private wi-fi. I would ask "Veronika" to "reworld" that phrase, but she is not 100% wrong. Nobody likes micromanaging, but some people really need to be micromanaged. Being office savvy is not a common things, I have witnessed fellow coworkers doing things beyond my comprehension and when it happened I felt for my manager. (Let's just say, that someone signed and shared a strictly reserved document, just because "someone *they don't even work with* asked to and I didn't want to sound rude by saying no"...

[@Audiogeek-kf2ez]

This is micromanaging, this busybody is out of line

[@tf3655]

Yeah... And then they find that their employee thought she was above the law and you are liable.

[@jaythejay10]

The worst is states which require reporting for tax purposes for even one day. Looking at you North Carolina...

[@internetperson.]

"but I want you be be misereableeeee-uh" 😭 *stamps feet in corporate* I don't read replies because self care ✨

[@420van01]

This exact thing happened to me however I gave my boss a courtesy to tell him that I was not going be working from home for 2 weeks. The client I was working for was about 800 km away from me so there was no other place for me to work from my home.. I decided to take my well equipped RV on a road trip and use my mobile data. When I decided to give my boss a heads up that I was going to be working from my RV he gave me crap for it. I said "what's wrong..there's nothing in the HR policy telling me I cannot do this. My client is still a phone/Teams call away. What's the problem? Are you trying to micromanage me??" He backed off. Your manager doesn't trust you if they're doing this..

[@DylanM0on]

Employees have a duty of care to ensure the worker is safe in their working enviroment, including working from home. So a risk assessment would be done for their home working enviroment. If they move away from home and if they get hurt the company can be liable.

[@tamrix]

Insurance has rules on ergonomics and can deny payout if you work from unsafe environments for extended periods of time. E.g your chair in the hotel room isn’t adjustable and if you suffer from back pain due to your working conditions and . You’re NOT going to get paid out.

[@valterlall3486]

Yeah there is a policy that states this usually. I don't know about US, but in Europe, data sensitive jobs usually won't let you connect with the servers, in the internal network, thus using public wifi is forbidden. Also when there is no possibility to do SSH connections or other stuff... So yes, your employer CAN ask you to use non public networks, meaning that you can't work from random hotel or use your mobile data as hotspot since it has dynamic IP, not enabling it to be whitelisted.

[@stitchfinger7678]

Okay but 99% of remote work doesn't require that kind of security. And if it was really a big deal, they just wouldn't offer that position as remote. It's about controlling people.

[@valterlall3486]

@@stitchfinger7678 can you bring me an example of "that kind of work", I'm genuinely interested =). To my knowledge, using public access points are strictly forbidden in any kind of remote work, due the lack of security + its super easy to listen traffic or even upload malware if connected to public networks. Then you take your PC home, or even better, hook it up in your office, so the malware now has access to the company network... Look it as placing random USB stick to your PC - this is the easiest way to get your company servers locked by ransomware, even tho you per-se didn't have the data yourself, you made an access point to the hackers.

[@cfurrow2468]

As I work it for a large company, you should still let them know as it could cause remote access issues if we find you logging in from somewhere else. It will likely be seen as a hacker and your account will get locked down.

[@charmikyu2156]

"Is there a policy that states this?" In every civilized country, that's called the law.

[@CW-wt3bj]

In Germany that has to do with insurance issues - it has not only to do with tax purposes. This is why it is important for the company to know where the work location is. Otherwise the employee is not insured in case something happens (e.g. an accident) and both, the employer and the employee would get into trouble.

[@MichelLAVALLERY]

Not sure for other countries but there are some where the laws could be an issue for the company also, for security reasons it could be important to know that you will not connect from your usual place. Of course this info will not be for your hierarchy but for IT team. so it clearly depends on many variable things. especially with what you have to do and how you should do it. e.g : if you are working on a very confidential data, the place you want to work from could be unsecure for such datas

[@zaphodbeeblebrox1880]

This goes back longer than I can remember. Employee does something, management does not like it, but they realize there are no rules against it. They try the old "because I said so" or "because I'm the boss", in an attempt to intimidate the employee. The issue gets sent to HR, Legal, or some such department, and after a certain period of time, a mass e-mail gets sent out that starts with "It has come to our attention...".

[@M60studio]

fun fact: in Poland it’s regulated by law, you have to fill papers and inform always when you start remote work and from where you are working. It’s for safety reasons I believe - if anything happens during your remote work the employer is responsible to cover health expenses etc. and also they are obligated to pay off your electricity costs used during such time - it’s pennies but yeah that’s the law

[@julieannmyers8714]

You really believe those reasons? No wonder the CV-19 scam was so easy to pull off.

[@jackwaycombe]

My son, working in due diligence in the power industry, started working from home during covid. After some difficulties with an over-controlling boss, he quit and now works independently - still from home. He's very good at what he does, with clients backed up. Difficult clients very quickly become ex-clients. He follows my own old-fashioned advice. Don't p!ss off the truck driver if you can't drive the truck.

[@theo67-ft3yx]

Note that some companies have an insurance requirement that you work within a certain range from the office either miles or same state, otherwise, you need to be registered as a remote worker. This location thing is not always a crazy demand.