What can one do to nourish attention? | J. Krishnamurti

[@subrotoxing8214]

Is there a script of his talk ? English is not my first language and I am having trouble understanding some of his words. The topic is complicated enough I bet even those who speaks english as their mother tongue may have difficulty understanding this. The subject of the mind is so vast so complicated the english language and in fact all languages are limited to describe totally.

[@KFoundation]

The act of attention for most of us is difficult to maintain. Only a small part of one is willing, interested seriously. What can one do to nourish this attention? I wonder if we can go into the question together: what do we mean by attention? What is the difference between awareness, concentration, and attention? Could we go into that together? To be aware; as one is sitting under these beautiful trees on a lovely morning, nice and cool, not too hot, one is aware of that woodpecker pecking away, one is aware of the green lawn, the beautiful trees and sunlight, the spotted light, and if you are looking from that direction you are aware of those mountains. How does one look at them? How do you look at this marvellous sight? The beauty of this place. What does it mean to you? Do you observe it, aware of it without any choice, without any desire, urge, just to observe the extraordinary beauty of the land. And when you observe so easily, aware of all this - the light and the shade, the branches, the darkness of the trunks and the light on the leaf, and the extension of this marvellous earth - how does one react to all that? What is the feeling behind that awareness? Is it that beauty of that land and the hills and the shadows, is it related to our life, is it part of our life, or it is there to be observed - if you are a poet, you write about it, if you are an artist you paint it, or if you are good at conversation or description you put it into words. But this beauty, this awareness of this, what is its relationship to one’s life? That’s part of awareness, the awareness of the external and the awareness of one’s own reactions to the external, and to be aware of the movement of this. As you are sitting there, are you aware of the colours of the shirts or robes or whatever the ladies wear, are you aware of all that? Or when we are aware is there always a choice? ‘I prefer this land to another land’, ‘I prefer this valley to other valleys’, so there is always memory and choice operating. And can one be aware without any choice at all, just to be aware of the extraordinary sense of the blue sky, the blue sky through the leaves, and just move with it all. And is one aware of one’s reactions, and when one is aware of one’s reactions is there a preference? One more desirable than the other, one is more urgent than the other, one is more continuous, habitual, and so on; and so from the outer move to the inner - you understand what I am saying? - so that there is no division between the outer and the inner; it’s like a tide going out and coming in. That’s an awareness of this world outside of us and an awareness of the world deep inside of us, conscious as well as the unconscious. When one is really deeply conscious or aware, there is no remnant or hidden unconscious movement. I don’t know if you have gone through all this, if you have done it, not merely listened do a lot of words. So awareness is this movement of the outer and the inner and discover for oneself whether there is division between the outer and the inner. Of course there is a division between the tree and myself - I am not the tree, I hope. But in observing that thing which we call ‘tree’, to discover our reactions to it, how we react to beauty, to ugliness, to brutality, to violence, to competition and quietness and so on. And what do we mean by concentration? Because they are all related: awareness, concentration, and attention. What is concentration? To concentrate upon a page, upon a picture, to concentrate all one’s energy on a particular point. In that concentration is there not the effort to concentrate? Whereas - effort to concentrate, that is, you are trying to read a particular page and out of the window you see a marvellous light on a flower and your thought wanders off to that, but then you try then to pull that thought back and concentrate on something. So there is this constant struggle to focus one’s energy, visual and so on, so there is a resistance, a struggle, and all the time trying to focus on a particular point. Are we meeting? This is right, isn’t it, when we talk about attention, about concentration. The questioner asks, attention happens occasionally and how is one to nourish that attention so that it is continuous, not haphazard? So we are asking: what is attention, to attend? Are you interested in the question? To attend. To attend to that woodpecker. Did you listen to that woodpecker? There it is! In concentration there is always the one who tries to concentrate, and in that concentration there is an effort and control. So there is a controller and a controlled in concentration. I hope you see this for yourself. There is the controller who is trying to focus his thought on a particular subject, but thought is all the time moving, wandering around, and so he tries to control it and in that control there is a form of resistance. There is a division between the controller and the controlled. And so there is an effort, a sense of division. Where there is division there must be conflict between the controller and the controlled. That is generally what we call concentration. Now is there in attention this division? You follow? The controller trying to attend and therefore there is a division between the thought that says, I must attend, I must learn how to sustain attention or nourish it. I hope you are following all this. So is there in attention a centre from which you attend, or when you listen to that woodpecker, you are listening. So is there in attention an entity who is attending or there is only attention? Which means attending with your listening, perception, seeing and giving all your energy to attend to something. Are you listening attentively now? Listening to the speaker, what he is saying about attention. Are you actually listening? And when you really listen, there is no centre as the ‘me’ who is listening. You are following this? Is this right? Whereas there is always a centre in concentration. We are saying attention has no centre and therefore extensive. And it cannot be nourished - you attend if you are listening, if there is an intensity, you can’t - it is attending. Is this fairly clear? May we go? So, really, awareness without choice, a choiceless awareness, and concentration, and this sense of extensive, vast attention. Attention has no periphery, whereas concentration has - it is limited.

[@subrotoxing8214]

Oh wow thank you

[@horchohr]

subroto xing: have just come across this talk and your request for a script and how it was answered - for me, I find it worthwhile ( by choice) to consider what one's first native language does to our understanding and possible meanings of the world and other languages - especially to do with my work as translator. The meanings change and will remain subjective depending on our experience of what we can experience. Anyway, glad you got into this talk and applied your concentration to it - and hopefully found an opening through Jiddu KMs movement of thought energy for yourself. Much love and beauty to you in all ways.

[@sabariprasad4239]

You can use the subtitles

[@amo_ergo_sum]

@@KFoundation Thank you so much. For me it also was not easy to understand the whole text. (Even I understood with my heart..) Now I can repeat and train my english by the way.. :)

[@myfavoritethings6433]

Awarness is there, wether we like it or not. If you want to be aware, is a thought trying to force your mind to be aware...a thought forcing another thought. Beautiful!!!

[@christophergreene6007]

My Favorite Things that’s not only what he means by choice less. That’s prob not what he means. He means like choiceless awareness (think flood light ) versus concentrated awareness (think spotlight). The latter is always limited...and may not even be real. You’re also correct, tho: we don’t have a choice haha!

[@thothtrismegistus929]

+ My Favorite Things Where did you get this idea? i have watched the whole video. i didn't get this may be i am not paying enough attention.

[@martinfranke8866]

Choice is an Illusion, there is Always a process before, leads you to youre choice. Or Like Matrix, the choice is an Illusion, you choice already, you have to find Out why. Youre motive. Causal reactions, when you dont know why you Here, why you did this or that, you are without Power, there is No Energy, only a flow of Happenings, No Attention to what is. Find Out why in every Moment and you will be aware what you do in every Moment. Aslong we dont See the why, we are dreaming.

[@discoteque7768]

Awareness: We become one with the surroundings without attachment, without any resistance. There are no comparisons or judgments whatsoever. We are aware of the internal (conscious and unconscious mind) and external, and how they interact without trying to modify it, just observing. Concentration: It is exclusive. There is a struggle to keep the attention focused. The ego tries to control thoughts (censoring, suppressing, repressing, ignoring...). This resistance to "what is" creates conflict and, thus, dualism (me and the thought). This is what happens when we judge. Attention: It is inclusive. It is a focused state of mind in which one actively listens without any judgment. There is no division between the listener and what is listened to. There is no resistance or dualism. When you pay attention, you allow yourself to fully listen. There is no ego, no "me," because the listener/observer does not try to protect themselves or use what is listened to in some way.

[@Smil3yDude89]

Found this legend a few weeks ago he popped up on my Instagram and here I am watching him for 2nd day on KZbin I haven’t stopped watching him, so glad iv found him I needed this in my life, thank you sir 🌍🙏🏼❤️

[@koustubhubhegaonker1306]

Don't "listen" to him sir. Don't be a "listener" to him but to your own attention

[@Gaurav.P0]

@@koustubhubhegaonker1306 what do you mean sir ?

[@singhsuraj6192]

@@Gaurav.P0 he is talking about Emptiness within you how can you do that? Just listen the words without judgement only with attention

[@mea05key]

Awareness - Act of bridging between self and surrounding Concentration - Requires effort to sustain, there is conflict/division between control and controller Attention - No conflict/division between self and subject of attention

[@akashdeep-xc6nc]

Awareness with choice is concentration. Awareness without choice is attention.

[@sudhasharma1093]

Thanks J.K official this world would be indebted to you for protecting such treasured talks.

[@anthonywebb6811]

He is basically the only one I listen to now for last 3 years he cover all subjects for life good life

[@Smil3yDude89]

I’m English & I understand every word of this man cannot stop listening to him he’s helped me 🌍🙏🏼❤️

[@WickedG5150]

You are highly intelligent, then. I understand a majority of JKs talks but not like you.

[@thegodfather6287]

Sorry but you actually don't understand what he says because J Krishnamurthy has said many times that those who say or feel that "I understand" they actually don't. If one really listens and understand him then a person never says "I am English, Indian, French or anything else because there is no "I" or "me". It is not enough just to understand that there is no "me" but one has to see it in oneself as a clear fact. Sorry, I didn't mean to make you feel low or to insult you. Only intention was to push you a little bit more deeper 🙏

[@madoorimrt1031]

@@thegodfather6287 by the way I want to know what JK said on how to nourish attension PLZZ reply🙏

[@RDd188]

I' m hindi, but still understand his talks

[@martinfranke8866]

Iam human and i see it

[@respecttalent111]

Thank you so j krishnamurti sir ..i found a deep person who goes deeply in all topic...Thanks her team to sharing an amazing sessions with us.... Thank you Thank you Thank you

[@dragonboy4001]

we Must have great inteligents for understanding jiddu Krishnamurthy words and what he said, that's why less people are interested in his talk😇

[@haimbenavraham1502]

Profoundly beautiful description of living in the present moment. Being present now. The delightfullness of your existence. We are mostly in a hurry to somewhere else.

[@baptm727]

There's no thing to do, nowhere to go.

[@deardavid7]

Thank you, Haim, for a beautiful and thoughtful response to a beautiful video.

[@exwade8777]

This is gold right here.

[@sudhirverma4422]

This is the marvelous video, please listen very attentively

[@dhruvcharan396]

Thank you guys. Keep uploading new videos.😊

[@christiangab1227]

Thank you for sharing J. Krishnamurti's wisdom ! you are truly wonderful and awesome ^^

[@ShaileshGupta012]

Thank you so much for every single words that you uttered. It has a great meaning to transform the entire life.If I bow down a thousand times can't express my gratitude in words..Thank you so much..🙏♥️🌻🌹🙏

[@Gaurav.P0]

You are correct Shailesh. Did your life improved after listening to Krishnamurti?

[@dhammikawijeweera34]

I have no words to explain the worth of his word.

[@himanshusaini8585]

Grateful to have you 🙏⭐

[@chinnijanu2011]

I have to listen very attentively without any other thoughts to understand the topic. great teacher.

[@corpuscallosum4677]

Only by dive deep within our psyche can we realize the duality exists in our centers, the observer AND the observed, the nourisher AND the nourished, hence psychological division lead to conflicts and the ripple effects into this phenomenal world. Live attentively, simply and truthfully. Many, many sages set up their lives as examples for us. Thanks K and friends.

[@ganeshkondeti001]

Hence psychological division leads to conflicts and the ripple effects this phenomenal world = thanks for this word OMG !!! Thts true and thts how this whole world is Omg its just tht simple!

[@Gaurav.P0]

Wow

[@drharisht.k.1871]

Thank you very much........i am grateful to jiddu krishnamurt official channel

[@souravdas-zp1kt]

The awareness of the external and the awareness of the one's own reactions to the external and to be aware of the movement of this.

[@Prabhaeye]

a clear explanation from a deep understanding of self.

[@dreamcatcher5012]

"is there an attention, a center from what you attened" so natural and beauful

[@hrishisvijayan8734]

Beautiful words jk 🔥🔥🔥😃

[@Ak-in5cu]

So awareness is this movement of the outer and the inner and discover for oneself whether there is division between the outer and the inner. But in observing that thing which we call ‘tree’, to discover our reactions to it, how we react to beauty, to ugliness, to brutality, to violence, to competition and quietness and so on. -Krishnamurti

[@magisimon4873]

There is no center for attention and no peripheral but concentration is limited and has a center or you know you are concentrating....! Great talk....thank YOU....a true teacher

[@smrityshekhar7962]

Krishnamurthi 🙏❤

[@gheorghefalcaru]

WONDERFUL

[@jorgevasconcelosmadetomove]

brilliant, thanks a lot for this channel and uploads !

[@yohenson]

awareness-choiceless. observing things unconsciously. attention= observing things by focusing on it. but not forcefully. concentration=forcefully observing things.

[@rajeshgopal9635]

Brilliant!

[@mohammedirfan8027]

Beautiful

[@Gaurav.P0]

Beautiful video 🤩

[@jimispliffs2819]

This mans mind… for sure realized into a new realm

[@jorgevasconcelosmadetomove]

what a level of attention to explain it that way , wowowwwwwww

[@omanirudh3010]

"In concentration, there is always the one who tries, and there is the controller and the controlled. Thought is all the time wandering. There is a division b/w controller and controlled. There is conflict. Now in this division is there INATTENTION in this ? is there inattention? or an entity that is attending or, there is ONLY Attention. Where you are Really listening There is no center. "

[@recoverybot777]

I'm a follower now he awakened something slept in me

[@lakshminarayanak8579]

Great humanbeing...!

[@omanirudh3010]

"A sense of extensive, vast awareness." "awareness can't be nourished, in awareness there is no center, there is no entity, there is only attention"

[@user-qp6vg9ho8u]

I always have better attention when I’m looking at something beautiful

[@kannadacreativefilms]

Divine intelligence

[@a-gnosis]

Wonderful message. Only wish he would've been this pleasant in other recorded talks.

[@dr.dhirajsinhamedicalconsu577]

❤❤

[@emiliomaspero1054]

Attention has no periphery, whereas concentration has. Profound.

[@dushyantrajput7932]

Ok, helps a lot

[@llc2430]

Attention means just listening

[@SerpentLightDrums]

this was strong.

[@dailygames4880]

Very very much

[@omanirudh3010]

What is the difference between awareness concentration and ... one is aware of the beauty of the trees, the beauty of this marvelous. Do you observe so easily the beauty of the land how does one react to it ? What is the feeling being this awareness Do you write / describe it but what is the relation of this external beauty to your life When you are aware is there always choice operating ? Or is one aware choicelessly. Is one aware of one's reactions ? Awareness is this movement of the outer and the inner and discover for oneself is there a division b/w the outer and the inner

[@mikekisekka4375]

This is it

[@shaileshkumarprabhudaspate5308]

nice

[@AnthonyHoward-ru8su]

It would seem sustaining attention relies on psychological time and that if there was a deep insight into being mindful would come along with the awareness of how the mind focuses attention

[@leilamobasserii]

❤

[@janvrobel4670]

So he basically says a) concentration is limited, you dont really attend as there is always resistance b) there is nothing you can do to nourish attention

[@Fantastics_Beats]

Please giving full video 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@KFoundation]

For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Ojai 1982 Q&A 2' either directly on KZbin or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.

[@archnapanjrattan638]

Trying to focus but his voice makes it drift away😄

[@fabianjimenez1479]

I got a question which I would love that Mr. K could ask. It's this one: if there is no "controller", "feeler", "concentrator", etc... how does the idea of the "observer" is created? I don't understand how we create the image of the observer, the controller and so on... and that image gain such power.

[@omanirudh3010]

What is concentration? To concentrate all one's energy on a point. In that, is there not the effort ? isn't there constant struggle to focus on a particular point. There is resistance How does one nourish attention? What is attention? To Attend.

[@yazdanelysium]

😂

[@boldthoughts122]

Attention involves more than one entity. Nourishing attention is in the hands of everyone involved not just one. When attention seeker falied to create interest or attendee does not have interest, attention is not possible.

[@jose-oq9hy]

what is the difference between awareness and attention?

[@rahulsngh337]

Concentration- Mind is trying to control thoughts and direct focus in one direction. Fun part is the one who is controlling is the one who is need to be controlled. Mind trying to control mind through concentration. 😂

[@seangrieves4359]

Time is in wisdom. Never wisdom in time.

[@joy7343]

Please someone shed some light on this: 1. Awareness is awaring inner and outside movement of thoughts 2. Attention is without me and efforts, but attending something 3. concentration is having effort to something particular. Am I on right track? for me mostly like a English study. LOL. Thanks!

[@joy7343]

@DaRK sOUL thanks

[@joy7343]

@DaRK sOUL thanks

[@joy7343]

@DaRK sOUL I reread and it made more sense now.

[@adityamudugal]

These lectures are worth many watches as each time you listen you'll get a different perspective!

[@jswootheblackscreen]

🙏🙏🙏

[@baitman2368]

Someone please investiguete this with me: In resume K is saying that everything we experience is just the mind so when we want to Focus on one thing is a thought (coming from the mind) trying to control another tought so there is conflict because of division. Am I right? So basically if we want to have peace we have to stop the movement of the mind in terms of division? For example, I see a "tree" or a "woman" "sky" etc, but I'm just experiencing myself AND to see this is to finish with that movement because now we see is rubbish to torture myself just by a thought coming from me. Right? Is just one thing I still don't get at all... Where does the other people are then? If they're just in my mind or when K says that "My mind is humans' mind and my suffering is same of humans'" he is saying that everything is just the mind and we gotta take care of what we say and act because ir will nourish the "collective mind" I mean, the human mind. Thanks

[@MoosaIslamic]

If you re-read the transcript provided in an earlier comment, it becomes clearer that the central aim of his answer is simply to distinguish three words that are often used synonymously: 1. Awareness, 2. Concentration and 3. Attention. Awareness is the experience of noticing specific aspects of a phenomenon, often coupled with comparative value judgements. Concentration is the control of focus toward one task, in opposition to conflicting thought, and has degrees of 'concentration'. It presupposes an entity doing the concentrating. Attention is an on/off state, and does not entail the person who is attending. You either have attention or you don't.

[@manjunathr6902]

Watch more vedios of jiddu krishnamurthy, Allan watts they have discrbed clearly how you separate yourself with thoughts. and study about self, then you will experience.

[@richardraymond1462]

❤🤲

[@abiral_neupane4045]

i miss my teachers who told me to concentrate

[@dhammikawijeweera34]

Choiceless passive unidentyfied awareness

[@Thepankaz1]

But how to be more attentive.

[@WellDoneWD]

To be in love

[@Fantastics_Beats]

Please clear me. I knew that thought trying to focus . There is division so conflict . My question is there no division so what happened? We are free from suffering.

[@WellDoneWD]

If there is no division then there is no Time. And without time there is no emotion there is only stillness calmness without thought

[@healthpediashop8536]

14:55 perhatian... tdk ada center

[@bmkamath]

Dislikes??????????? Whyyyy

[@goodmayhem]

Try Raja Yoga

[@pratiksachani8601]

WHICH J.K. BOOK IS SPECIALLY FOR THIS KIND OF ATTENTION.?

[@baptm727]

There's no kind of attention. Every books from him could help, not one in particular as he always talk about the exact same thing in different ways.

[@arishhussain5986]

Can anyone tell me...if there's no observer..who knows that there is attention?

[@WellDoneWD]

As soon as observer know's...that moments he kick in and found that something was there without him(observer)

[@nameless-face]

The woodpecker knows what's good 😜👍

[@jorgevasconcelosmadetomove]

so concentration is ego

[@baptm727]

Ego is the illusion.

[@henryreese7236]

yes, concentration is the act of ego as he says it.

[@abhijeetshedge8203]

He never gave any method that's problem.

[@LafzTheWords]

There's no method, simple.

[@WellDoneWD]

Because every method is an effort and effort create division don't you understand that the attention kick in without effort .

[@angelocana6892]

Wake up, its making you slow.

[@SCDJMU]

He does not really answer the question

[@preethikrao]

🙏🙏

[@dx5292]

❤️

[@Shunya_Advait]

🙏