What can the Seattle Seahawks learn from Super Bowl LIX and the dominant Philadelphia Eagles' win?

A lot, actually.
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[@robertwest4596]

Learn that the OL and DL lines are the key to a team, no matter who the QB or RB is.

[@eros.1646]

geno haters will look at this sb and say "trade for jalen hurts"

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

yeah, Geno is on about the same level as Hurts. It's clear that this team can be a contender if they rebuild the o-line and add depth to the d-line.

[@BeWise4Life]

@@jarrettchristensen_musicI’d take Geno in a heartbeat over Jalen.

[@Djamonja]

I think we already knew that, but this game was definitely a good confirmation of how obvious it is.

[@chancebrown6015]

@@BeWise4Lifegenos a better passer but hurts has good running ability

[@yj5069]

People say we should have taken Carter over Spoon... that wasn't the mistake. Spoon is still a star. Our mistake was when we took Dwayne Eskridge over Creed Humphery in the 2021 draft.

And we should have taken Trey Smith over Stone Forsythe in the same 2021 draft.

And if we still needed to draft a WR we could have either Amon Ra St. Brown or Nico Collins.

[@ilikeme1234]

👆 this right here. That makes the Jamal Adams trade look like a good decision.

[@Mentaltoughness23]

Our scouts are booty tbh.

@ No, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Seattle still should never have traded Adams for 2 1st round picks, that trade was a huge mistake and it has Pete's fingerprints all over it, same with the decision to pick Witherspoon over Jalen Carter.

[@randya3812]

This beat down was similar to LOB dominance in Seahawks superbowl win.Go Hawhs ❤

[@briano9397]

Don't downplay how badly we dominated one of the top offenses in NFL history

[@aw7250]

Spend HEAVILY on the o-line!!

[@frebur]

This GM? I doubt it!

[@juandufree4309]

Eagles GM just gave the NFL a masterclass on building a team brick by brick. Their defense was literally built through the draft. He continued to build their oline since their last SB, he never took it for granted…continuity is HUGE to building a successful team. The trades for AJ Brown and Saquon will be remembered and talked about for a long time. Build continuity in your oline Build your defense thru the draft Once you’ve built the foundation, trade for top tier weapons to put you over the top

Howie Roseman was smart to draft most of the players of that dominant GA Bulldogs defense, and he only had to trade up 1 pick to ensure Philly got Jalen Carter in 2023, the rest of those GA players fell to the Eagles in the 2022 draft and 2023 draft, and I think Roseman took all of them except for Travon Walker who went #1 overall in 2022 to the Jags.

[@juandufree4309]

Most of the defense is in year 3 or younger…wild! These stats are insane: Drafts and develops Mailata who never played football Drafts Hurts Drafts Devonte Trade for Brown Trade for Saquon Incredible!

[@Blueredgreen123]

They didn’t trade for saquon

[@oms7969]

Invest heavily into the trenches!The fact that Philly stopped the run and created pressure with a 4 man front is nuts. That’s exactly what Mike wants.

[@markcadigan7630]

I learned that in the first 2 quarters, neither QB looked better than Geno. Put Geno behind that Eagles line and let’s see what happens.

[@BePatientSeeLove]

That's the problem Both QB are younger 😭😭 and one has 3 rings and the other just got his first make it make sense don't compare it's up to the team one thing ik is that Geno Smith isn't the end all be all and that's ok he'll be judged better with a line but maybe he is who we thought he was he isn't flashy or anything but he isn't terrible maybe his sealing is 10-7 and that's ok for another team thing one needs a couple more wins that's all I'm saying

@ ceiling, not sealing, unless you're saying Geno is the glue.

[@jesselund360]

Lmao....

[@mikebara3437]

Ok the crackpots have joined the chat… Hurts is elite. Geno isn’t.

[@nathanmitchell295]

Sorry, what? 🤣Hurts is a beast and Mahomes is an all time great… They’re in a different stratosphere to Geno.

[@sadams6663]

Seahawks will not be a great team without a good OL. Unfortunatel, it has not learned this lesson for 10+ years.

[@WrestleMarq]

Offensive Line is the most important position group including Quarterback

[@MrImpossibroGaming]

Build in the trenches, the eagles have been through coaches, coordinators and QBs and have remained a great team because of their consistently elite offensive and defensive lines

[@agenticetre]

@@MrImpossibroGaming 🎯

[@upoceo]

The big lesson I took away was SIZE on the offensive line. They said the Eagles o-line was like 6'6" and 340 for an average. That's crazy. But a good coach looks at that and says on short yardage downs, we can use these guys to rugby shove the whole pile 2 yards every time and nobody will be able to stop it. Design your scheme around your personnel. Since this is a copycat league, I think we're going to see a run on building huge offensive lines. It's unstoppable. You have 2000 lbs of offense pushing against 1500 lbs of defense.

I think it all depends on whether teams are running a man-blocking scheme or a zone-blocking scheme. I think Philly runs a man-blocking scheme in which you want your OLineman to be bigger and heavier, whereas a team like Seattle runs a zone-blocking scheme in which you need lighter and more athletic OLinemen.

[@ilikeme1234]

What I learned is this could have been the Rams. They should have/would have beat the Eagles if it wasn’t for that clutch sack by Jalen Carter. We may not have drafted him, but Carter did us a solid by allowing us to not have to live through another Rams SB this year.

Even if the Rams beat the Eagles there was no guarantee that the Rams would have beaten Washington to get to the SB.

[@markusoverly8898]

We should learned that the OL & DL win SB's, and J. Schneider doesn't get this SIMPLE acknowledgement

Well, Pete did have the final say on Seattle's player personnel including the final say on which players Seattle drafted. Now that Pete is no longer in Seattle I hope John can make better decisions on acquiring players for Seattle.

[@_Schwartz]

What a dumb comment

[@BePatientSeeLove]

OFFENSIVE LINE AND RUN GAME AND DEFENSE WITH a QB that can make plays CONGRATULATIONS MVP Jalen Hurts please give that man respect congratulations to Kendrick I WANT TO BE THERE NEXT YEAR GO HAWKS LETS DO IT

[@OmariThePrince]

The Eagles invested heavily in the trenches that’s why they appeared in the Super Bowl 3 times in the past 8 seasons so what the hawks have to do is add another dawg to pair along side Leo Williams and make big investments on the interior offensive line.

[@trxe420]

I learned that trenches win Superbowl's. Not defenses, not offenses, not running backs or quarterbacks or any other skill player. The thing that is interesting is, which trench would you say won or lost the Super Bowl? You might think that Philly's defensive line clearly dominated, but you could also argue it the other way. You could say that KC's lack of a superior offensive line lost them the Super Bowl. One could imagine that if you gave a good QB like Mahomes adequate protection it would not have been a loss, or at least not a beat down. The way I look at it, the Eagles defensive line is a tremendous advantage, but also, their offensive line is really good too. KC shut down the run game, but that offensive line gave Hurts enough time to make throws when it mattered. So, if we are to take the "Defense wins championships" motto, I think you need to modify it to "Defense + decent offensive line" wins championships.

[@4ransom437]

Philly defense line won that game, chiefs o line were good the entire season outside of a few bad games but they got absolutely dominated in the SB

[@trxe420]

@@4ransom437 Yes, their defensive line dominated, but let's say that KC's offensive line played as well as the Eagle's offensive line did, I still think Eagle's win, but it would not have been a blowout. My point is that the Eagles dominated both trenches and that produced a team that was unbeatable (in this game). KC's offensive line was pretty good most of the season, but I would not put them on the same level as the Eagles, just my opinion.

[@alginvestmentllc7638]

Yeah it’s not all about the qb. Geno gets pressured like maholmes almost every game

[@nathanmitchell295]

I learned that the Seahawks are absolutely miles away from either of these two teams at the moment.

[@EOTechN9ne]

They're only a referee away from the chiefs.

[@randya3812]

Nick foles did it as a backup QB with eagles

[@ronellington6246]

For the younger folks who may not recall, two words...Trent Dilfer

[@fleshhammer656]

Ive heard macdonald saying the game is won in the trenches. So id be willing to bet that he will have a say in building it.

[@ilikeme1234]

I think this also shows a thing you bring up about the OL, consistency matters. Losing their tackle and having to bump their guard completely throws off their rhythm and consistency.

[@datboithick5083]

Spending heavily on the O-LINE will NOT necessarily fix it

[@fantahsyking]

“He can throw the ball barely 12 yards.” Throws a beautiful ball deep for a TD

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

Spend draft capital on OL and DL

[@dhans7673]

Yeah, but watch these KZbinr's mock drafts and you'll find as time went on these last few weeks the trenches were de-prioritized and we were drafting TEs in round 1 and only 1 linemen in the top 4 rounds. In fairness, our DL/edge is pretty full if everyone is healthy save NT

[@MrSideswipe7]

​@@dhans7673 TEs play in the trenches bud.

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

@@dhans7673 OLB is more of a concern than nose tackle, they need a star at edge

[@davidcoder5628]

Geno isn’t the athlete Hurts is. Geno doesn’t scramble well like Jalen does. Geno is a turn over machine. He isn’t the answer. He isn’t Jalen Hurts. He is more Derek Carr. Just the facts.

[@nathanmitchell295]

Geno couldn’t dream of doing the physical work up at the line Hurts does either.

[@michaelbeck3091]

Awesome #1 lesson, I agree!

[@TheSkyline5467]

They draft all the guys we were WAY TOO SMART TO DRAFT and win a Super Bowl. Fans were right about Jalen Carter.And others.

[@andyhampsten4252]

Agreed, this game confirms my understanding that Geno is adequate to win the super bowl

[@UFO_computers]

If he doesn’t turn it over 1 too many times.

[@ryanoliver7942]

Those Jalen Hurts takes are wild

[@marked4death076]

Not even top 15 haha

[@fantahsyking]

Dude hates Hurts lol

[@kieronmckay4276]

Look…the lesson is there’s multiple ways to build a winning team. Dominant defense or dominant offense, doesn’t really matter…but if you can’t run block and can’t pass block, it doesn’t matter what your offense can do or how good your QB is…and if you can’t run stuff and pass rush, it doesn’t matter what else your defense can do or how good any individual corner or safety is.

I don't know if any of you noticed that KC's backup QB is Carson Wentz, the former Eagles' starting QB, and now both of his former backup QBs in Philly, Nick Foles and Jalen Hurts, have each won a SB with the Eagles. Wentz did still won SB 52 with the Eagles but he was injured and Nick Foles won it for Philly instead of Wentz, and I bet that still left a sour taste in Wentz's mouth.

[@owencarter3198]

KC’s lack of offensive talent finally caught up to them

[@HwyTay]

We definitely need to be prepared because we play the Eagles next season

[@hollo7906]

​@HwyTay But some wild strange oddly reason the seahawks always beat the eagles😂

[@2jYeti]

Not really. They went to the super bowl 3 straight years and still made it to the superbowl this year. Eagles just wanted it more

[@MikeColemaninSprings]

We learned line play matters most... And Kendrick should absolutely be coaching ours, given his was best tonight.

[@Intele18]

That's why we need a top 5 defense and a quarterback that don't turn the ball over 15-16 times

[@MetalDragon5745]

Pair Kenneth Grant with Murphy watch the o-line destruction for years to come. That said Booker would also be a great pick same with Membou.

[@mikebara3437]

What we learned is that our quarterback is not good enough to win a Super Bowl. You have to have an elite level player who can make big plays in big moments. We don’t have that.

[@robertc3772]

Agree with you completely about building the team around the quarterback. Pete wanted to do that but Snyder prevented that.

[@ronellington6246]

The lesson is the same it is has always been....Defense wins championships and Defense starts with dominant defensive lines ...waves of guys who can disrupt the opposing team AND the Oline matters as a result.

[@Ltdrift1]

Jalen hurts is a good qb dude he can still pass the ball he had that 69 yard touchdown

[@godnaz]

Defense CONTINUES to win championships.

[@4ransom437]

No trenches does, eagles Oline dominated the playoffs and the d line did as well

[@182Harding]

It's obvious, but the Eagle's DL stood out. They looked strong, their stunts were well coordinated, and they played with DISCIPLINE.

[@darrellwoodson7904]

You told nothing but the truth Brendan! Build the team around the QB. And Hurts is avg just check the numbers he not even better than Geno. But he has a Lombardi

[@KorithStoneheart]

Making 50 million a year to basically run the ball in at the goal line is insane

[@randya3812]

Because chiefs were focusing on stopping squaon Barkley, Jalen hurts had a big running game.

[@EOTechN9ne]

Building an Oline is equally as hard as finding a top QB.

[@cboutte38]

I think you’re jalen hurts take is insane he’s definitely more efficient than Geno and he takes care of the ball but I understand what you’re are trying to say the eagles are built to his strengths and he maximizes it to the best of his abilities I’m taking Jalen hurts over Josh Allen any day

[@BePatientSeeLove]

Lol I'm weak hating on a QB who won MVP over a QB with double digit ints lol but ok sure

[@JbushBush]

Draft is the best tool to build. Trenches trenches trenches.

[@nathanjones3099]

Mans just won superbowl mvp and you still got all this smoke for Hurts! But I do agree with you that you can have an elite defense and Oline you can win the bowl with Geno

[@markusoverly8898]

The history of the NFL = in any season, there's NEVER more 3-5 elite QB's in any given season. You need a good QB = Above average to win. You need a great OL & DL, screw the CB drafting obsession we have had x10 yrs. Both these teams had AVERAGE CB's. We need a GM with a different mind set, JS is failing us.

[@FVRGOGAMING]

Don’t be surprise now if DK asks for a trade, his boi and old foe AJ got a ring

[@PETERDEE-h5e]

Defense wins championships......period

[@henrim9348]

Your dislike for Hurts and Bo Nix is insane. With all due respect. This is craziness. Maybe you need to learn a lesson there as well.

[@JohnMurphy-b2e]

It's fairly obvious that we need to draft big, big guys for the defense. The Eagles front four were, if I remember correctly, all 6'6" and 330+ pounds. Hard to break through a brick wall ;-0

[@thesecond1a]

We can learn that you can’t win without being elite in the trenches.

[@davidmoore2699]

What we learned is the football is won and lost in the trenches

[@johnruiz6743]

Not taking Carter was still a mistake! 🤦

[@andypinto1]

Mahomes looked like Geno. Fix the Oline Seahawks!

[@2jYeti]

Defense wins championships is what i learned

[@andyhampsten4252]

To your last point, it's a bad idea to give up the farm for Burrow. No way. Geno can do it.

[@ryandallas484]

But in order to build a situation that can win with any QB I think the best decision for Seattle is not to pay big money to Geno and focus on reallocating the money elsewhere

[@Elitemage]

Want to win a sb. Build the team like the eagles. Build a massive OL and DL and have a badass defense. With a qb who can move and not throw a lot of picks. They drafted size in OL. They have the biggest OL in height and weight.

[@darronj7918]

I learned that we missed on Jalen Carter. Can’t have a team full of good guys need some assholes type guys on your team

[@darthnihilus3794]

Agreed. Off the field problems mean nothing when that player is on the field making plays

[@darrellwoodson7904]

No we didn’t! We ended up with Bryon Murphy we good! And got a Dawg at CB

[@darronj7918]

@ as long as the off the field problems are not affecting on the field play.. which is what’s happening w Carter. We got a nickel CB who doesn’t impact every single snap like Carter.

[@flagsabbath6483]

Keep in mind the Eagles didn’t blitz. At least in to the 4th they hadn’t blitzed. I tuned out into the 4th

[@phillythakidd49]

Saying Jalen is in an any qb situation and avg is showing me you learn nothing. You don't know shit about football

[@adrian-9930]

Bro we can't even build / develop an oline group man. We got a long way to go.

[@WestCoastCFB]

completely disagree with your thoughts on Jalen Hurts, he’s a very great quarterback, it’s fair to point out that he benefits from playing on a team like the Eagles but still to say he’s average is overlooking what he’s done the past several years

[@WestCoastCFB]

i mean hell, in this game alone he hit several big throws down the field not sure how you can say his arm is terrible

[@WestCoastCFB]

anyways, I agree that Seattle needs to start taking big swings, we have gotten comfortable being mediocre and we need to take risks to get better

[@darrellwoodson7904]

Jalen Hurts is slightly above average. If you slow the run game down and keep Jalen contained you have a shot. Hurts does not frighten nobody

[@owencarter3198]

He’s a wannabe russ

[@picolosourcrout3172]

Its hard because Eagles are top 5 on DL and OL they can create pressure with 4 DT on the field

[@13ON3S]

If this game taught us anything it’s, trenches, trenches, trenches.

[@Elitemage]

Hurtz is much better than Geno dude. You are on something if you think Geno can win a sb. 🤣🤣

[@iiiiiic9823]

genos a better QB than Hurts 100%

[@mattcheesman1055]

The Iggles had it won by half time. Chiefs scored 20+ points because Philly took their foot off the gas

[@MFGary24]

I can learn Brendon Nelson was dead right on Jalen Carter and creed Humphries… and they should both be Seahawks ughh

[@thomasdarling2553]

see you after Labour Day, Brendon!

[@treysyoder2909]

did jalen hurts piss in your cereal or something? damn lol

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

Yeah, his thoughts on Hurts are borderline insane. Jalen's been nothing but a winner his entire career. Nobody pilots a team to 2 Super Bowls in a span of 3 years without being really friggin' good. It's yet another example of Brendon being a poor personnel evaluator.

[@treysyoder2909]

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 like it genuinely just sounds like he dislikes his character as a whole because anybody with eyeballs can see the talent and confidence from jalen, like brendon said he couldnt even throw 12 passes but was throwing lobs to devonta smith and aj brown all superbowl?? makes 0 sense i thinks its a bias of some sort

[@azhawk516]

The Eagle defense dominated.

[@michaelhood1291]

Trade DK, give up Nuosu or Hall and some 3rd or 4th and gimme MYLES GARRETT, BIG CAT AND BMIII, BOYE! 🇺🇸💪🏼

[@coryindall3005]

That they should of taken Jalen Carter

[@trevbacklin]

Spend spend spend on the O line!!!!!!!

[@henrim9348]

At least people will stop looking at McVay and Shanahan as the second coming of the Almighty. I was getting tired of people trying to hire their janitors as head coaches

[@rickyricardo4599]

What we learned is that the gm should have been fired years ago.

[@rockmandrums343]

Yeah trenches win superbowls 😂 sprinkle a good secondary and some offensive weapons duh 😅😅 go hawks

[@bellwether9496]

We should have drafted Jalen Carter

[@darrellwoodson7904]

For what we drafted who we needed

[@goodolarchie]

I don't hate the Chiefs, they are less hatable than Patriots. But I would much rather have Rans, Bills and others in the championship. I enjoyed watching absolute game wrecking defense. It looked like KC traded its soul to "make it back to one more SB" and then the devil came back to snakebite Mahomes and crew. Just non-competitive, almost moreso than SB48.

[@Shadowbot074]

The puppy bowl was more entertaining

[@SuperAudionut]

Draft from the top programs. Don’t try to be cute in the draft. Get more draft picks by trading non performers

[@user-q3cIy1mkx9]

Defense wins championship. But offense like Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes can build a dynasty. Besides refs fiasco in two weeks, it looked like Chiefs offense lost rythem and ill prepared and Eagles defense were well rested and well prepared. On the other side, the Eagles offense was sharp and the Chiefs defense couldn't stop them. The result was a rout by the Philadelphia Eagles. The bottom line is this. You can't win forever with putting everything on QB and you need shut down defense and not only QB like Hurt but you need offensive line, Saquon and AJ Brown. The complete team wins championships. Just think about what the Seahawks need. You can't just win with Trent Dilfer and Ray Lewis Ravens defense. Those days are gone. I don't know how the Eagles built this team. But it took time and the right decisions. You need to make right decisions both on draft and free agency. Remember. Jalen Carter was right there to draft by the Seattle Seahawks. Scottie Pippen was a Seattle Super Sonics. Do not trade him for Olden Polynice

[@staystrong2792]

Ain't that hard to understand john need to build the trenches take Howie for exemple he build the d and o-line do you see the eagle d they make mahomes uncomfortable force him throw

[@feffri1]

What we learned is john schneider is an idiot, we paessed on both carter and Smith. ALSO o lineman are not overrated JOHN!!!

[@andrelockridge9109]

Invest in both lines.

[@jesselund360]

Trade DK for MGarrett and 2 2's with next yrs 1 and draft kenneth grant.

[@briano9397]

I learned to listen to Kendrick Lamar, shoulda turned the TV off🤦

[@goma12x]

I woud rather Spoon and Leo han just Carter alone. I still think Spoon is a great player but at the time we should have picked Carter, but no regrets with Spoon. Now we need to buikd the trenches espcially O line.

[@JoseLopez-go7cc]

Y’all still high on Trey smith ??

[@flagsabbath6483]

Bad game

[@Shaggy_Doo13]

John's dumbass needed to take notes, draft the trenches... and should've gotten Carter over Tiny Spoon..Carter much more impactful every game... horrible pick

[@glennkarn9208]

We learned defense wins championships, and we need to draft Kenneth Grant

[@shardug]

We need a QB that can run, a better DE, new Guards and Center. And a better TE then Barner. I think Charbonnett should be the starter or get a RB that can get 1200 yards and 7 TD's.