What Caused Volition To Shut Down? All Possible Reasons + My Thoughts

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1 year after the Saints Row Reboot launched, Volition has closed down. Why did this happen? Watch the video to hear some theories! :O
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[@PapaRPG]

I'd be lying if I said this wasn't expected, but it's still strange to me that it actually happened... what are your thoughts on Volition's closure? Do you feel any sympathy for them? Follow me on Twit... I mean X twitter.com/PapaRPGGameplay

[@R3fug333]

You made a mistake in your video. Plaion are the new Saints Row Publisher. Which somehow looks worse than Deep Silver. So GG I guess. Maybe it's good though. They might give their Devs more freedom.

[@InternetMouse]

I feel your sentiment mate. It's so saddening seeing your favorite game company go away even though they made a horrible game that killed off its franchise

[@PapaRPG]

@@R3fug333 Plaion was formerly known as Koch Media, who owns Deep Silver. It's the same structure as before just rebranded.

[@doomboydrifter6665]

Idol Ninja with the best thing to happen to the Saints Row community he was a saint through and through I absolutely love his mod Saints Row 2 Gentlemen of the row unlike volition he had true love and passion for the community and the series true Saints Row OG 💜✌😞✌💜

[@LeSuperFishe]

This may seem like a bad time but... when you releasing your onlyfans papa rpg

[@thatriverguy]

Please remember that when you think of all the games Volition made that were great (SR 1 & 2, Red faction, Punisher), remember that ZERO people that worked on any of those game were still working at Volition when they shat out the reboot. It was only a matter of time until they were shut down, I just wish that it happened sooner. Don't feel bad for the devs that were working at Volition, any that are worth their weight in salt are gonna get scooped up by other studios. Volition finally shutting down was a mercy killing, nothing more.

[@NotOuuija]

bruh are you on crack jim boone is there my boi but yeah i agree fuck em that reboot was hot dogshit

[@GeteMachine]

Yeah. Most of the original staff were long gone, and what remained were just leftovers who didnt directly work on the older games beyond designing assets.

[@MrJasonGallant]

I certainly don't feel bad for them. If I were working at volition and saw the story of the game and the overall direction, I would have quit to find another job. Only a fool could believe this shit of a game would actually sell well. You see a turd like that coming, the first thing you should think is ”alright, time to look for another job".

[@AliBazz]

TELL EM!!

[@lachmowe1642]

Maybe the janitor or something is still the same

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

You forgot to mention that Volition was the same company that praised Anita Sarkeesian for her thoughts on Saints Row back in 2014.

[@headshotmaster138]

Everything that woman touches either dies or turns to shit.

[@Shay_Mendez]

A possibility you aren't thinking of: Is it possible that Deep Silver made them side with her? Don't get me wrong here, I'm not siding with them because they still fucked up royally, but we shouldn't shovel all of the blame on them if Deep Silver was the one pulling the strings in the background.

[@JohnathanWilliamson849]

@@Shay_Mendez Deep Silver really didn't have much control over the company back in 2014.

[@Alecfisher01]

@@JohnathanWilliamson849deep silver owns the SR ip and without a publisher there is no dev studio and in turn no game, they 100% had some control then.

[@shaneross1217]

Anyway you look at it if this is all true deepsilver and embracer are next watch a whole company sink like a ship taking on water 💧 it’s over!

[@escritora84]

The crazy thing is, they didn't need to make the game about friendship - it was already present in the original series with Gat and the Boss, they were ride or die to the very end. The original games knew how to show that, not tell us or shove it in our faces. RIP Volition.

[@GeteMachine]

They forgot that for gangsters, loyalty, respect are the same thing but for roughnecks. What they did was some kiddie stuff. A lot of these clowns don't know that they could have used what was already there with gangsters.

[@Shay_Mendez]

"Games of that nature won't sell well" Deep Silver's own words. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did people not immediately scramble to buy San Andreas's definitive edition? Deep Silver is and will always be goddamn delusional.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

It's what happens when the Marketing and Finance departments are in control of a company.

[@GeteMachine]

Even though SR2 is still the best received game in the fandom.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@GeteMachine Gotta remember the people in charge of these companies aren't gamers. They're transfers from the Finance Industry where any risk is seen as unacceptable and they'd rather have a safe investment than a good game.

[@bloodmoney7968]

I swear, EVERY TIME i see the "get the f* away from my friends" part of Saints Row trailer i have this insane urge of dislike the video immidiately. Only then i realize it's a RPG, Flippy or mrsaintgodzilla video and decide not to. That shit traumatized me. I might have PTSD.

[@adventurouseddie9369]

Everytime I hear that line I immediately think of that scene in Family Guy where everyone turns their head to look at Brian in disappointment after they see his tv show intro. Then Brian asking Joe what he thinks of it but with the text of OG fans over Joe's head.

[@viniciusyugulis7278]

The game was amazing only right wing chuds hate it

[@agent4336]

Saints Row 2.5 would've done incredible numbers, hell Saints Row 1&2 double pack remastered would of outshine the saints row 3 remastered and SR4 re-elected.

[@GeteMachine]

And they would have had a huge budget for a SR2.5. Yet they did this instead.

[@StillND]

I heard that Deep Silver wants another Saints Row game ASAP and Volition didn't want to make any Saints Row games, anyway, so I see why Agents of Mayhem and the "reboot" was a thing. And also, PLAION is the new developer for Saints Row now.

[@PapaRPG]

Plaion is just the publisher formerly known as Koch Media. The rebrand to "Plaion" will merge Deep Silver, Prime Matter and Ravenscourt under a single brand.

[@GeteMachine]

They see the IP as just a cash grab, they are already the reason the reboot flopped by not caring about the fans and just going by some sort of twitter metric of what trends they wanted to market to. Every game under Deep Silver has been hated by some degree by the fandom and Flippy even said these guys are greedy for funding. They are the ones in charge of the marketing and direction over Volition, and they need to be held accountable. Their staff gave fans and the SR2.5 a middle finger for this shit.

[@williamb1744]

This was by far one of the best videos Ive seen discussing why Volition shut down. Most people in this situation tried to pin all the blame on one thing. This was the only video I've seen discussing multiple different possibilities. It was straightforward, and straight down the middle. Excellent job RPG. 😌👍

[@psychofreeman]

It's a mix of the saudi deal breaking which made embracer fire a bunch of people from a bunch of companies, deep silver's handling of the game's tone, style and reaction to fans giving embracer mpre reason to target volition and the game's combat and gameplay further giving embracer reason to "restructure" also house hexagon also has a pretty good video on this giving more thought

[@doomboydrifter6665]

Why would I feel bad for Developers that make Trash deliberately if I was a developer at volition I would have complained if no one listened I would have left I wouldn't want to be known as a developer that worked on this game I couldn't imagine this being on my resume especially if I know what the fans needed and wanted this wasn't a happy accident this was a deliberate fuck you from volition and I'm glad we voted with our wallets

[@GeteMachine]

They dont make bad games on purpose. That would be a waste of money. They made it under bad Publisher demands and bad direction, as well as a lot of anti-fan hostility.

[@doomboydrifter6665]

@@GeteMachine when you see the reboot you can clearly see it was just a cash grab there's nothing Saints Row about it except the color purple so they knew what they was doing they just didn't expect this reaction for some reason and I just feel so sad about IdolNinja he was a true saint he had true love and passion for the community may the OG rest in peace and Royal purple💜✌😞✌💜

[@PeninsulaCity2024]

I can only imagine how depressing it was for the handful of devs who were at Volition from the beginning or around the 2000's up until closing. Its one thing seeing it from the outside, but to be there from founding to ruin is just tragic. Especially if you saw what was going to happen but were in no position to do anything to avoid this fate. All I can say now is that I wish the best of luck for those devs who were trying to give it their all under the most lose-lose circumstances.

[@captaindestruction9332]

Good chance most of the devs that were there at the start no longer worked there for years. Devs typically capable of putting together great IPs/companies tend to leave at the first sight of them losing control or ideas going against the original vision start showing up. This typically results in the quality shift we see with these companies. Around the time the Saints row games started to lose quality/focus is when most of the OG devs had left and only newbies remained. Also if any original dev worth a damn would’ve been in a position of power if working at a company for so long/would’ve had alot of say.

[@Gator159]

House Hexagon thanks you for your contribution.

[@saint-g7449]

You too?! 🤣

[@Gator159]

​@@saint-g7449 I noticed Papa RPG in the comment section of the house hexagon video. The video RPG made didn't mention much of what Alex brought up but I'm guessing the production of this video was nearly already done enough to add anything. So I guess he just made the thumbnail a part of it which is fair enough. I mean he went into it but he barely had the same talking points so maybe it's just on me for not paying enough attention

[@saint-g7449]

We'll see more videos like this one coming in the next few days.

[@jonathangrant480]

Love his content as well

[@Gator159]

@@saint-g7449 Good, For some reason anything Papa RPG talks about that isn't Saints Row just isn't interesting. I miss the days of his character analysis videos but obviously nothing lasts forever. Maybe do character analysis of Halo or something idk

[@InternetMouse]

Thank you rpg gameplay for being out there for the community. You helped keep the community alive especially now when we no longer have volition anymore. Thank you for everything rpg. Im just saddned this is the fate we have now for the series. If only deep silver allowed volition to go with the Saints row 2.5 game. Man it would have saved the series ❤🐀

[@AliBazz]

Bruh... bruh.... dontchu see when dey asked em to make somethin like watch dogs 2 what dey did? U want em to make a saints row game? Stop commentin bruh

[@AliBazz]

Bruh... bruh.... dontchu see when dey asked em to make somethin like watch dogs 2 what dey did? U want em to make a saints row game? Stop commentin bruh

[@micahhill4786]

Saints row 2.5 Deep silver: That games like that wouldn’t sell well. Me: Have you not been looking at GTAV or seeing all the eyes on the coming GTA 6 like are you fucken blind.

[@Goldrunner1169]

7:52 i could tell you sung from the heart of a true saints row fan, pure emotion.

[@PapaRPG]

Labels already calling me

[@XIMILESYXI]

Volition and deep silver seem to love making games for an audience that doesn’t exist instead of making games for an audience that does

[@GeteMachine]

Yeah. I could maybe find 3 people on twitter, who might enthusiastically like the reboot compared to waves of people who hated it and got pissed off for being proven right. The people they private their accounts against.

[@sydch]

Can't believe every content creator who attacked at Volution during AoM and "Saints Row" release are now shifting their hate towards Deep Silver. Just stay behind your comments, Volution is about to blame as well as Deep Silver in this situation. Don't need to search for a black sheep at all.

[@PapaRPG]

It's not about looking for someone to blame, it's about news coming out about the development of the game that we didn't know prior and then reporting it. Regardless of whos fault it was/is, Volition is shut down forever, and that's that.

[@syco579]

The sad truth about game development today is if a developer is owned by another studio or company then it's usually the higher ups in that company that call the shots, that's why EA is so hated. Apex legends success is proof of this, EA was so preoccupied with ruining anthem that they completely ignored Respawn while they developed apex and it ended up being a hit, who knew that if you let a developer that had a track record of making good games before you bought them do their own thing, they'll probably make a good game.

[@fredcasdensworld]

Actually the blame for Anthem falls on Biowear and Biowear alone

[@Underground3]

EA didn't interfere with Anthem. The blame for Anthem goes to leadership of BioWare that couldn't figure out what direction to go for the game. Same thing that happen with battlefield 2042. That the game originally suppose to be a battle royal game and in the last minute of development it was scrap.

[@kingturk339]

I feel like Troy after the events of the Sr1, its kinda sad but it has to be done you know.

[@Realsupergingerman]

Tldr the team that work on the old game are gone, the new team are redditors. Look up at the new Saint Row end credit, they put photo of the team.

[@12feettall6]

Me singing Go woke go broke song 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@vyper-1212]

thumbnail kinda dumb why blame a whole country over a game dev who dont care about themselves and there fans

[@hiroshiarturolopezsashida6071]

Bc it’s closer to the truth, after all they had plans for them even after they didn’t care for saints row and shit but thx to the deal going down… those plans also went down

[@abluecar5375]

I remember waking up and my friend DM'd me about the Reboot trailer already released I saw it, and at first I was a little bit optimistic, afterall at that time I have been waiting for a long time for a new Saints Row game But after seeing all the dumpster fire from Twitter and terrible story reveal, I just gave up trying to be optimistic about the game, I also gave up on Volition when I saw the gameplay and reviews I can only enjoy Saints Row 1 and Saints Row 2 while forgetting about the reboot and the rest, that's how I cope with this franchise lol

[@draylonbledsoe540]

This one was a good episode. I am here again just to hear the wisdom.

[@prattyv9208]

Those who are completely pushing the blame for the disaster that was the reboot onto Deep Silver should know that the ultimate blame still goes to the ones who created the game and not who funded them. If they felt that much forced to do something like the reboot, they could've easily went the kickstarter route like how Larian studios did during their struggling phase, i bet their fans would've funded the project within few hours. Its no excuse, they created an abomination willfully and that was seen in their overall attitude from their employees like Jim Boone. They were embarrassed about their past and wanted to create a game that would be prefered by modern audience without getting blamed for things that would trigger certain groups in US. This is a sad reality of how broken US has become over the years and its people. People take games too seriously and want to reflect themselves onto something that is fictional and made purely for entertainment but instead of that the focus becomes how misogynistic the game is, or how diverse it is, does it cater to feminist ideologies or does it encourage "male gaze" etc. It's a good thing the Volition got shut down because it gives a stark message to other companies. As for Deep Silver, if they thought a game like this would make lots of sales, they wouldn't have green lighted projects like Dead Island 2 and Kingdom Come Deliverance, these games are absolute gems. The only games lagging behind in their catalogue was made by Volition, Agents of Mayhem, Saints Row reboot even gat out of hell. I am not denying their could be radical elements in both Deep Silver and Volition but if they truly wanted they would've took a different more feasible route. Embracer quickly got rid of them because (if anybody seen their recent investors call) Lars the CEO of embracer said the layoffs are done where company saw significant low ROI. Volition investment is way more than the returns it was generating for many years. This game was nail in the coffin. I just hope going forward game developers stop ruining their established IPs just in the name of "make the game relatable to modern standards".

[@GeteMachine]

No, Deep Silver is to blame for their lazy, cash-grab marketing but Volition came up with the bad ideas, Deep Silver just didnt care when fans had issue with their games for so long because they just saw money. Though its on both them and Volition who just doesnt seem to know how to write this series anymore after so many games trying to force the IP to be something to fit the trend, and Deep Silver was doing that ever since they got the IP. However Volition is to blame for their bad ideas, because they are the ones who dont want to make the characters actual gangsters anymore but making them something else. Making it for kids. I dont think Deep Silver told them to write a shitty game. If the millennial Saints were drug dealers with a few minor offenses before they became a gang, and were ride or die instead of "friendship uwu" we could have gotten at least that.

[@EmeraldTaurus96]

Oh well. I'm pretty much over it at this point. RIP to Saints Row. And pretty much RIP to the single player open world crime games. I wish Sleeping Dogs, Godfather, or Scarface would come back. Maybe I'll just wait for Mafia 4.

[@EmeraldTaurus96]

@jbiehlable I hope so too.

[@redcobra6016]

@jbiehlableyou got to realize Take Two/2K were to blame for the state of Mafia 3 and quick abandonment of Mafia: DE’s support. And right now it is already confirmed Mafia 4 is under a deadline which concerns me.

[@PapaRPG]

I truly hope Mafia 4 is a banger. Here's to hoping lol.

[@GeteMachine]

Because of this stupidity. GTA is literally the only open world crime game on the market. The genre is just dying. Someone needs to buy those old titles back and revive them. THQN should have, but not give them to Deep Silver to fuck up, like SR4 to the Reboot.

[@EmeraldTaurus96]

@jbiehlable Thanks.

[@paintedpig3021]

I don't want another Saint Row game I want this series to finally rest

[@R3fug333]

You keep saying DeadlySteph is Deep Silver not Volition. I'm not saying you're lying, but you didn't really "Clear things up" all you did was say "Nah, she works for Deep Silver, not Volition. Trust me bro." without showing how? Of course people are gonna blame Volition when she's tweeting from the Volition and Saints Row twitters... How are we supposed to know she's a Deep Silver employee. You didn't clear anything up at all.

[@GeteMachine]

I heard that she is a Deep Silver employee. She was put on the social media after IdolNinja stepped down due to illness. She was originally a community manager from a different IP before Saints Row, and she was a bitch there. Though there were some Volition staff being dicks too, like the guy who saw the criticism, and posted the "stop having fun" meme, some of them shit talking SR2, and following ShittySaintsRowTakes on twitter, which DeadlySteph admitted to. Jim Boone is also the one who shutdown fans that asked about the old characters, so they're not clean either. Deep Silver though sabotaged the game and pissed off the entire fandom with their bullshit.

[@BeasleySays]

Exactly. Sorry but both entities are to blame for this piece of shit of a game. No excuses.

[@thepunisher666ish]

That song actually brought a tear to my eyes 🥹

[@gamingwithafro3012]

I remember I tweeted n asked them what made them put aliens in it? The timeline didn’t add up. Johnny gat dies but he was really abducted… didn’t add up. I told them it wasn’t good and all they did was retweet it. We wanted silver water back, the original saints. Not this, when you was able to go to heaven and ask for one wish, it should’ve been for silver water to go back to normal and then boom they could’ve put everyone back in silver water.

[@GeteMachine]

The aliens bs just really made me had what they were doing and they should have known we only wanted a reboot to retcon that stuff out. They cant seriously pretend that starting at SR1 and ending at SR4 with aliens and time travel makes any type of sense. But leave it to Volition to always do what people didnt ask for. I miss old THQ, when they used to make badass games.

[@gamingwithafro3012]

@@GeteMachine right, they should’ve listened to their OG fans. I understand that they wanted to do something different but not with saints row. They should’ve kept it simple but also chaotic just like how SR1-2 was. Those were my favorite. I was always a fan of them but the aliens grew on me but then again, I had to try to ask them that and give my point of view to it. We didn’t want none of this and now they’re done…. I’m upset to hear about what happened to the company but they brought it onto themselves. If I had the money, I’d buy the company and make a new saints called Saints Row: Silverwater

[@CC-hf7kh]

Actually Neither Gearbox nor Deepsilver possess the IP anymore. According to Deepsilver themselves Volition's IP's are with Plaion who is Deepsilver's holding company. This is like a temporary placement by Embracer until they figure out what to do with it.

[@GeteMachine]

Apparently its just Koch Media, and their second company they want to merge with Deep Silver.

[@KemonoGamer75]

my country shut down volition ROFL!

[@TheThirdStreetSaints133]

Im still hurt from volition shutting down like Saints Row as a series is one of my all time favorites. I still wont forget that SR1s’ GenX radio introduced me to my all time favorite band (New Years Day). The SaintsRow series might be dead now but it will not be forgotten

[@wilddropbear7215]

I think the part that some of us celebrate about it shutting down is the possibility some investors/parent companies or whoever would learn from their mistakes and actually be more InTouch with their fans and gamers

[@Masrii20]

Damn i didnt know abt deep silver being the ones calling the shots, i feel bad for volitions rn

[@onlyonezay419]

It’s definitely a mix but I’m glad that majority of cosumers (og saints row fans) didn’t support this bs reboot.

[@CaspianNomad]

Amazing that Saudi Arabia did something positive for human rights for once

[@bulgarianreaper6587]

L + ratio + Volotion fell off

[@david25201]

bulgaria ☠

[@JDprofessinal946]

Based Bulgarian

[@viniciusyugulis7278]

Chud

[@Razzbow]

1:18 hey ma I'm on tv

[@Ziero_H]

They had it coming I don’t feel bad in the slightest

[@-SANDMAN]

As a saudi and an SR2 fan. You guys are welcome

[@artistanthony1007]

Nobody said anything about the posts Steph made or said they didnt like the direction the reboot was going, that says everything you need to know.

[@livingchaos937]

I wanna make a sr5 mod for sr4 somehow so we can continue the series

[@TheRealBeeBzZ]

I'm from saudi arabia been a long time fan of saints row and your channel 💚🤍💚

[@DavidSnoopyOfficial]

R.I.P Volition… Also wondering singing

[@KemonoGamer75]

my country shut down volition lmao

[@Burns_RED]

RPG, are literally still optimistic about GTA 6??? You don't know much about it, I guess. It's going to outdo Soy's Row 2022 as the newest bastardized cringe. Just wait.

[@StraightOuttaDepression]

There’s obviously multiple reasons for volition being shut down. 1. Made a expensive game that was hated by pretty much every. 2. Harassing and bullying the gaming community instead of listening to the player base and fans. They might not have been directly from volition but they didn’t stand up for the player base. 3. Bad deals 4. Bad leadership with no good judgement.

[@Ma1q444]

Volition was already dead anyway, it had the same name but not nearly the same quality as none of the devs who made saints row 1&2 made the reboot.

[@skullyskaric7779]

both of the company can go to hell with gearbox.

[@PaisiosOfGOAOA]

To be honest I don't really believe the whole they wanted to make a Saints Row game with gangsters and stuff but they couldn't. I don't believe that if they wanted to do something they could have found an excuse to do it. But they didn't because they don't care they haven't cared and they never will. Just like with the Saints Row 2 patch it was never going to come out in any person who said it was was a fool.

[@glamman8083]

that singing touch me like never before :((((((

[@Brody_Austin]

I just hope GTA 6 has character creation in singleplayer instead of the stupid set protagonists with backgrounds. I thought the characters in GTA V were terrible.

[@OfficialGhostThaReaper]

Some sad shit bro the OG saints row was soo good now it’s over

[@mattc2306]

6:38 Yeah, that aged poorly. If you thought SR 2022 was woke now, it would've been so much worse if Rocksteady worked on it. Case in point, the recent Suicide Squad game.

[@PapaRPG]

Lmao, good point.

[@solomac4067]

Hopefully someone will buy it & take it back to its original roots

[@Matt-md5yt]

there is alot that went on to do it but calling the fans "really bad people" didn't help much

[@centrevezgaming4862]

And Randy Pitchford from Gearbox had an hand in the demise of volition by waving his magic wand and made them vanish

[@roadmaster9777]

Didn't randy Pitchfork push for borderlands to be more like borderlands 3

[@kaylemjoseph8727]

to be honest I'm surprised it took this long after all those awful games.

[@YourDadYoda]

It really sucks that Volition is getting all of the internet blame. The franchise is dead with Deep Silver. Even if they bring it back, it will never be anything we want.

[@uhhcallmejefe]

Volition hasnt really made a good game since 2008 so i'm honestly not that sad about it

[@thefox838]

Nice video

[@lightknightayden813]

RIP saints row! 🕯⚜

[@rch5395]

Go woke go broke.

[@Lost_Dawn]

A shit release history deserves a shit conclusion... in the form of everyone involved being fired. I agree with the angry guy from Starfield who ranted about political pronouns being every damn where.

[@saiyanwarrior3895]

my cousin said icause we can call this bad karma for saints row reboot and Volition if they listen to the fans then saints row 1 and 2 remake would stil have happen dlc story

[@AronProd]

We all know that Volition closed because of the profit made from the reboot💯

[@Jules-69lol]

>what killed two volition Driving their franchise up the wall and two failed AAA reboots

[@hughjass6119]

Deep Silver suX.

[@gerwaanhartfield7261]

Never tried red faction

[@lillordakira9752]

If Volition would just remastered or remake the first two games from the ground up with its original dialogue and music by renewing royalties instead of risking $100 million on a game that's far from Saints Row.

[@journeytree]

what caused volition to close down: *releases the worst game known to man*

[@topmandog1]

Rip sr2 pc patch

[@Zumi909]

Her name is deadly Steph btw

[@GeteMachine]

She private her account after Volition shutdown. Like a bitch.

[@NewCanada]

No matter what happens Deep Silver will sadly continue to abuse the Saints Row franchise.

[@videlin2003]

thank god

[@cydragon2.099]

the SR2 patch will only counterbalance the fans

[@gerwaanhartfield7261]

Obviously it was the fans 😂😂😂😂

[@quinn-wp1wh]

after 4 it just went down hill after that.

[@JoseMedina-hs9st]

I would love to see a yakuza style saints row

[@Ma1q444]

It’s always the higher ups

[@roguerifter9724]

It sucks because IMO there aren't enough AAA sandbox crime games any more. In the PS4 and Xbox One gen the only major ones I recall that weren't remasters or remakes were the Saints Row Reboot and Mafia III. I enjoyed both even if I consider the Saints Row reboot one of the two worst games in the series (I haven't played the original in so long I honestly don't recall if I prefer it or the reboot) but there need to be more games of this type IMO not less. I suspect the failure of the Saints Row reboot could make other developers or publishers shy away from this type of game and we'll be left with Grand Theft Auto (Whenever Rockstar decides to make new ones) and Mafia. And the rumors I've heard about Mafia Iv's era and setting sound disappointing to me. As much as I like Saint Row though Red Faction was my favorite Volition franchise but I don't really see much they could do with its story after Armageddon besides a reboot.. Edit: Actually I just thought of something. There was a scifi book series I read part of many years ago where Earth's government invaded an independent colony and they retaliated by sending a number of operatives (I can't recall if they were sent during the invasion or were sleeper agents) to wreak havoc on the enemy facilities on Earth. Something like that could work for a Red Faction sequel.

[@MRJAYWILSON]

Hey.. your a good kid Franklin..

[@chevychevelle8685]

😏😏Well we all knew this was going to happen

[@Miercontent]

Ima let you sing at my funeral

[@stargirl5194]

gta 6 will be next saints row you can be male or female

[@trane3827]

Shits sad...

[@sixfeetunderbutalive1256]

Maybe if the stuck to keeping saints row more like saints row one instead of turning it into a game that's so childish couldn't stand saints row after the second one

[@scumbad7953]

Bling Bling (2031)

[@BeasleySays]

Meh I feel like people are making excuses for Volition. They are at fault here just as much as Deep Silver. They haven't listened to us fans since SR3. They ushered in this bulkshir content. Time to lie in their filth they created.

[@thevillagehiddeninthememes1836]

If you cant or wont make a quality video game you have no business making them and something ive noticed is that laziness and lack of effort microtransaction and broken and glitch and also condescending preachy virtue signaling ridden garbage has become far too common which is exactly why volition died

[@FelipeVinhao]

The real cause is simple: not only they decided to make a game to please the offended-by-everything social media angry mob, that don't buy anything even if it's made to please them, but also "forgot" to please the old players, and to make things worse decided to offend and blame the old players.

[@skrillabagbg]

lets be real. volition & deep silver k*lled volition. after saints row 2 the series downgraded & they had the chance to fix it by listening to the fans but they did otherwise & also bashed the fans. Looks like deep silver was purposely destroying volition.

[@smokeybanjoboy]

I mean, I enjoyed Saints Row 3 & 4. But maybe I was just invested in how Dr.Eggman and Postal Dude were fighting Aliens and dropkicking every living thing within 300 meters around us.

[@Alecfisher01]

It was caused by embracer group going around and buying studios along with a Saudi deal falling, and in order to cut costs and save themselves time they shutdown volition and are cutting staff from gearbox. It wasn’t about video game reception or anything else. Dumb theories aside, it was unfortunate business.

[@GRH_Roadhouse]

First to say Roadhouse

[@InternetMouse]

Hello there homie, also first reply. ♥ 🐀

[@cfiber_inc]

Hey petah

[@Occidendum]

In my opinion agents of mayhem is good

[@AtomicDudMan]

They went woke and attacked their fan base. That’s why.

[@ghostnaz913]

Besides shutting it down hire new dev bruh

[@Mortamer25]

Their last 3-4 saints row games were ass as well as red faction hasn't been doing nothing for 10 years. Their biggest games dont make money anymore. No 10 min vid needed g. They have no money

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

The yt channel Mafia game videos told more than just how poor sales really killed Volition.