What did the Republic of Ireland do during The Troubles? | (1969-1998)

[@doctorbobcat7123]

Get ready for the comments to be flooded by 16-year-olds from Wisconsin whose great-great-great-granduncle was Irish ready give their incredibly valuable opinions.

[@greatwolf5372]

I think that kind of obsession mostly stopped with GenX and maybe Millenials. Any GenZ with Irish ancestry is so far removed from Irish immigration and also so mixed with other European and non-European ancestry that they wouldn't care.

[@stevenosullivan3615]

Dont see it from Ireland

[@robbanks1436]

@@greatwolf5372yeah, sadly the youngest generations have no ancestral roots or connection.

[@zugabdu1]

Yeah, the whole business of Americans larping as Irish is more of an older-generation thing.

[@absoluteManiac]

Correct, Ireland is now too busy larping as 2nd hand brits, that and giving their ladies to the local Somali population. Fugees = Okay! Ethnic Irish=👎

[@radix133]

I lived and worked in Ireland during the late 80s and early 90s. I remember feeling an uneasy sense of dread when going up to the North. There were soldiers and armoured cars everywhere. I was mostly well treated in the North, but everyone knew there was the threat of violence.

[@Dorgpoop]

My grandad lived there until a few years ago and I always thought it was a lovely peaceful place. I didn't realise for years that I'd been walking past the site of a massive deadly bombing. Belfast still seemed dodgy to me though, all the peace walls make it feel very tense.

[@lordblazer]

we went when I Was a kid. I didn't have any issue hanging out with irsh kids and my family had no issues hanging out with rish folks and catholics during this time. but likely it was because we are black american so despite being baptist, they had more in common with us just due to the parallels in our histories of oppression. one dude I knew had a lot of Malcolm X stuff..

[@velouris76]

I can definitely relate to the feeling in the 80's: I'm of Irish parentage, one parent from Republic, the other from Northern Ireland, just a mile inside the border... Every summer, we used to drive over to the Republic to visit relatives on one side, then drove up to Northern Ireland to visit relatives on other side...we always dreaded travelling up there, simply due to that feeling of dread that something might happen when we were there...

[@boneytony5041]

More than the threat of violence.

[@ince55ant]

@davebrayfb more like, wheree *wasnt* the bombing. Though if i had to guess it would be Europa hotel in belfast, the most bombed hotel in europe

[@conorfinn1hat]

As a fluent Irish speaker, I really admire your efforts leading to an excellent pronounciation of Irish words.

[@sebby324]

Dia duit mo chara conas atá tú?

[@Es0298]

An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas

[@GlizzyGoblin757]

larp language

[@johnmackenreillytag]

@@GlizzyGoblin757 All languages are larp languages my man. Look at you right now, using English to play the troll and do some light rage-baiting.

[@deoirdanandrei1512]

Réim leat a chara, thá fuaimniú ana-mhaith aige, níor dh’úsáid sé an r bhéarla i “na Trioblóidí” mar shampla.

[@connorferris3755]

I’m from Wisconsin and my great-great-great-granduncle fought during the Troubles so this really hits home to me and I care so deeply for the Irish

[@Crabby303]

🤣

[@eldrago19]

😂

[@JM-qb2kd]

😂 ☠️ 😂

[@BounceBackBelfast]

What a moron

[@XOFInfantryman]

Good one mate

[@donallbreathnach9998]

Gaeilgeoir anseo, another Irish Speaker here, huge respect for using so much of our language here & taking the time to pronounce everything nearly perfectly, maith thú a chara! (Well done friend)

[@sebby324]

Dia duit

[@veakira1620]

Gaeilgoir as in you speak Irish or you're from the Gaeltacht?

[@Joseph13163]

@@veakira1620 Gaeilgeoir is a fluent irish speaker they can be from the gaeltacht or somebody who has become fluent in the language from an english speaking back ground.

[@sa4540]

Silly thanks. He’s clearly Irish 😂

[@grenshaw100]

Well done on nailing your pronunciation of the Irish language. Its something I've noticed on your other videos when using other languages too. Its clear that you go to a lot of effort to get them right, so props to you for this and the intersting and informative videos.

[@JM-qb2kd]

He certainly does. I’ve noticed it with all of the various languages covered in his videos, and I admire the effort and dedication tremendously.

[@jaimehyland2250]

A good precis of what happened. You avoided repeating a number of very common myths. The idea that the Irish Civil War was mainly about partition is one of the myths you successfully avoided. Well done! Such accuracy is not common!

[@niallodonnell7827]

You're the one who has been swallowing myths. The idea that the Civil War was fought over the oath is surely not credible at all. Partition was the issue that held up Home Rule for fifty years and was certainly the issue which caused the Civil War. People who like partition are always trying to suggest that the south didn't care about it-lies.

[@adamtoner3870]

What was it about other than partition?

[@cathalmchale165]

@@adamtoner3870 the fact that irish free state officials would have to take an oath to the monarch of britain when sworn into office was a major factor, but I do think partition was a driving factor too

[@sean_d]

Partition was definitely a major factor for those rejecting the Treaty.

[@marks_sparks1]

​@sean_d well funnily enough in the heatd Treaty debates in the Dail in January 1922, it was recorded that partition arose only 8 times in comparison to the Oath of allegiance which came up 250 times. So partition wasn't exactly a pressing issue it seems.

[@Jim54_]

When talking about modern Ireland, one thing that needs to be mentioned was how a Protestant Irish Parliament successfully gained independence for Ireland between 1782 and 1800, during which time Catholics got most of their rights back, with most Irish people of different faiths uniting under the ideologies of either constitutionalism or Republicanism, with both in favour of varying degrees of Irish sovereignty/autonomy and increased personal rights. This independence ended when a failed Republican Revolution in 1798 led British prime minister William Pitt to intimidate and bribe the Irish Parliament into merging the Kingdom Ireland into the UK after an initial Union vote failed. Ireland’s Parliament was forced to merge with The British one (though the courts and civil service of Ireland remained separate, but nominally subject to Westminster from now on). People on both sides seem to have completely forgotten this chapter in Irish history, because Protestants and Catholics fighting together for an independent Irish Kingdom doesn’t fit anyone’s narrative, and yet it had a major impact on the island. Unionism, Republicanism and Constitutionalism all originate from the original Irish volunteers that used the opportunity of the American Revolution distracting Britain to revolt in 1782. This heralded the independence and has shaped all aspects of Irish politics ever since.

[@eisirt55]

Your pronounciation of the Irish language is really good .

[@yermanoffthetelly]

Just about to say the same, fair play 👍

[@TadeuszCantwell]

Fun fact, I did a photography course in the mid-90's in Ireland. While photographing an open pit mine, part of the wall was blown up. There were two Garda there to observe the use of the explosives.

No bangers at Halloween either.

[@timmurphy4844]

The army as well in Ireland was hamstrung in the 70s and 60s to avoid any arms being used in the north, it’s basically why the army in Ireland is so held back

[@TadeuszCantwell]

It's ironic how many are smuggled in from N.I every year!

[@jordanandrei4984]

I’m honestly shocked with how well you pronounce Irish words, with the proper pronunciation, even better than most people here in Ireland who pronounce Irish with minimal effort and as if it were English, fair play 👏

[@teamermia7741]

Very good video. I did bite my lip when you reached 1972, but well done in going back to 1969 to outline the Official/Provisional split.

[@Willard05]

Thanks for making such a balanced and accurate video about what can be a very contentious subject. Great pronunciation too by the way. Kudos. I spoke to a retired senior Guard (police officer) who told me that in the 70’s and 80’s the Irish government was terrified that the IRA were going to try to stage a coup and overthrow the government. This fear was exacerbated when Gadaffi sent tons of weapons and explosives to the IRA.

[@callu947]

Lad you smashed the pronouncing of my beautiful language. I'm impressed, well done!

[@spudgun4321]

Excellent pronunciation, a rare occurrence on KZbin these days

[@Homemade574]

Its also worth noting that even though the Ira didn’t order many attacks in the south they still didn’t like the southern government because they saw them as not the legit government as they Ira saw the army council as the legit government.

[@faenethlorhalien]

"The Troubles" is the most British euphemism anyone could give to what was actually a war.

[@CaptainX2012]

Eh. 1972 was the worst year for the troubles, yet more people died from car accidents than troubles related attacks. It was more of a large scale gang war than an actual military conflict

[@shokk1967]

Born in North Belfast in 67. Grew up during the troubles, it wasn't a war in the sense of a full war.

Nothing British about the term.

[@StuartAnderson-xl4bo]

It was a terrorist uprising not a war

[@sean_d]

Was originally a term used in Ireland for the period that included both the War of Indepence and Civil War, but it's use for that was eclipsed by the use of the term for events in N.I.

[@byrne1916]

You did a fair video with no bias. An mhaith mo chara.

[@skylongskylong1982]

They set up the Provisional IRA in 1968. Go through the Irish Times catalogue, and can read an article of how Irish army training PIRA, in fighting in built up areas, which was later admitted by the Irish Government. Do not take my word for it, look it up.

[@Steve-gr6jm]

Looked it up. You're talking shite.

[@skylongskylong1982]

@@Steve-gr6jm Learn to read, and spell.

[@Steve-gr6jm]

@@skylongskylong1982 Read the room. Everyone, everywhere, hates ye

[@pauls.2526]

What a great video. Well done😊

[@themacintoshnerd]

Ireland was actually split before the Establishment of the free state. Infact there was a devolved parliament for the south set up by the english for it that was so unpopular that I think only 6-8 members actually took their seats.

[@Dreyno]

4 members.

[@HimWitDaHair98]

Your Irish pronunciation is perfect

[@thequietman760]

You have better pronunciation of the Irish language than most of us Irish do. ☘️🇮🇪

[@deoirdanandrei1512]

Sadly you’re completely right.

[@maryannedouglas]

Good vid Hilbert, fair and decently balanced. I'm not even going to look at the comment section. Missed Het Wilhelmus, but in this case; i completely understand 💋💋💋

[@the-blue-barron2791]

I pray we never go back to those days 🙏🏻

[@senanshortt5521]

@@the-blue-barron2791 🙏🏽🇮🇪

[@GerardLinehan-mk8xs]

Very well done, so much misleading material has been produced elsewhere it is good to see the record straightened.

[@TheFinalDemon117]

Heya I really enjoyed your video, it's really well written and clearly explained. Just on pedantic note is that while the Republic of Ireland act did pass in December of 1948, it didn't actually come into effect until Easter Monday of 1949 to mark the 33rd anniversary of the Eastler rising. Again I know it's such a small point but I thought I'd throw it out here

[@cacamilis8477]

That is some of the BEST non-native Irish pronounciation I have ever heard. Maith thú, a Hilbert. That is some impressive hard work on your part.

[@Olilego]

The Anglo Irish treaty was not the first to split Ireland into north and south, in 1920 in the middle of the War of Independence, The UK Split Ireland into Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland, however this happened without notifying to Provisional government which is why Northern Ireland was such an Issue during the 1921 treaty.

[@dermotoreilly9006]

I was brought up in the Republic about half a mile from the border during the 1980s. Our community was pretty much evenly split on a class basis with regards support for the Provos. By the 1980s there was an established ruling middle and upper class in the Republic. This was just before EU money was pumped into Ireland and made 3rd level education available to all (myself included), so these were the people who went to University, became garda/teachers/solicitors/civil servants etc. and had begun to see the Republic as "their" state. With a few exceptions they were vehemently opposed to the Provos and voted for in the main Fine Gael and to a lesser extent Fianna Fail. They saw the Provo's as communist agents of chaos and a threat to their comfortable way of life. Support for the Provos was mostly from the working class council estates and from small farmers in rural areas, often from families that had been active in Republican activities since the 1900s.

[@tomredmond5635]

The PIRA operated in all 32 counties. But had a southern command & northern command. The northern command was concerned the War zone and was the 9 counties of Ulster. The 23 other counties were southern command and operated as a support command to northern. It’s important to realize the Republic of Ireland official stances were forced by pressure of the British government and the general public secretly supported the cause but most people did not feel comfortable openly supporting it. Jack Lynch considered deploying the Irish Defense Force into the occupied 6 counties but other politicians objected to it. Many Irish forces helped the PIRA behind the scenes and assisted in Intel for ambushes of RUC / British Army. So really depends how you look at it. I’d say the Republic was close to 50/50 on the support for the Provos. Something we’ll never actually know. But currently Sinn Féin is the Largest party in both the Republic and North and The Wolfe Tones are still one of the hottest bands in Ireland with a recent uptick in popularity. It’s becoming more open in Ireland to support what the Provisionals had to do in that time period where there was no alternative to loyalist and British government aggression.

[@OscarOSullivan]

It was Jack Lynch who opposed invading Northern Ireland but tried to get the British to have a UN peacekeeping force sent in.

[@ciarandempsey2184]

It’s mad how you never mentioned the arms crisis. Was probably one of the biggest Irish government scandals ever.

[@Steve-gr6jm]

Not really, Catholics in the North were being ethnically cleansed at the time and we all knew it.

[@Ki55ane]

Your pronunciation is excellent.Especially with the Irish names. I grew up in Northern Ireland in the 1990s and this is accurate.

[@billd01rfc]

At 10:30 you finally get to the title of your video "What did the Republic of Ireland do during The Troubles? | (1969-1998)" - unfortunately you then talk c*** . . . the actual answer is that the Republic of Ireland provided safe haven for murdering terrorist bastards, and refused to cooperate with British investigation in cross-border incursions. The first ten minutes are an excellent description of the history that led to the troubles . . . the next five minutes are fantasy . . . I love your channel, but am now seriously doubting your credibility based on how wildly inaccurate this video is.

[@niallodonnell7827]

No-the RoI largely inadvertently, provided safe haven to Irish freedom fighters who were suffering a colonial occupation of their country. It never provided safe haven to the terrorists-whether they were in British uniform or otherwise

[@barneymagee3285]

@@niallodonnell7827 “ freedom fighters” me @rse….

[@niallodonnell7827]

@@barneymagee3285 They fit the classic description. Suck it up. The Republic had to fight for its freedom despite the fact that nearly all of the British minority had been partitioned out of it. The British expected to rule both territories and attempted to stop Irish freedom by brute force and violence. The partition imposed included huge areas where the Irish made up the majority. The British majority there then decided to provoke a civil war in which many more Irish people died than they did but it seems to be a British thing that others are supposed to clean up their mess. We saw that with brexit as well

[@Les-d1n]

Yes it’s a fact the republic did provide a safe haven for the IRA .They were able to carry out their murders and bombings then skip over the border to live largely unhindered lives plotting their next murder .Out of 103 requests by the British government for the extradition of murderers they were only successful in 2of those cases .Most guns and explosives were landed in the republic first before being used in Northern Ireland.Finally after 30 odd years trying not to defeat the IRA the British government managed the same largely through the efforts and sacrifice of the Royal Ulster Constabulary and British Army Ulster -Defence Regiment .Of course it wouldn’t do to offend the Irish so the victors promptly surrendered to the vanquished , letting them keep their guns under the ludicrous cover of decommissioning (those same guns then being used in later murders) dismantled the RUC.and withdrew the army back to England .

[@Les-d1n]

⁠What about the occupation of the UK by Irish .After the republic gained its freedom from Britain in1921 the poor oppressed Irish free from Britain at last then proceeded to flock there in their hundreds of thousands .The reality is the republic would be a very poor place without British sufferance

[@josemama428]

Ireland for the Irish ☘️

[@sb8163]

People in the Republic generally don't speak of it, but during the troubles everyone knew of all the goings-on re. the jail breaks, the manhunts, the cases like the Border Fox, Evelyn Glenholmes, Dominic McGlinchey, the Miami Showband massacre, the people 'disappeared' by the IRA.. to name but a few. Contrary to the comments posted by English people who claim the republic was 'unaffected', because they personally have not heard of any of this (and never will because they don't want to know) In comparison to England, Ireland is a tiny place that was only partitioned around 40 years before the troubles broke out, so the older generation had fought in the war of independence and the civil war - the sole survivor of the Ballyseedy Massacre (Fianna Fáil member Stephen Fuller) died as recently as 1984 - and people in the republic live with the border on the island, with many all-Ireland political, cultural, economic, religious, and sporting organisations

[@Runboyrun89]

Very few people in the South actually fought.

[@sb8163]

@@Runboyrun89 the point was how people in the Republic, and particularly in the border counties, were still affected even if they weren't involved in the fighting: they still couldn't go to their nearest town for their shopping, or visit their relatives without going through a checkpoint, they still had their farms searched, etc. The vast majority of people followed developments very closely when things occurred like jail breaks, manhunts, crimes like the Sallins train robbery, and so on. The general public still paid closer attention to what was going on than the public in England. Everything related to the troubles that happened in England was widely known in Ireland, but the English public did not hear about things that happened in Ireland - which is fair enough, but it doesn't mean that comments they post now saying the republic was 'unaffected' compared to England are any less mistaken

[@Runboyrun89]

@@sb8163 of course they did.

[@sb8163]

@@Runboyrun89 "of course they did" - did what? Did hear about what was going on in the republic during the troubles? If they did the commenters on troubles-related videos who say that the republic was 'unaffected' compared to England didn't hear it

[@RonJohn63]

4:06 New constitutions created "by law" instead of by war confuses me. What law established it?

[@nervesinapattern7261]

You did a great job of researching and presenting a very sensitive subject. My mother who is catholic grew up on the Falls Road in Belfast and my father who is Protestant grew up in Portadown, Armagh. They moved to the south along with the rest of my aunts and uncles to raise a family. My father although being raised in loyalist area with his father being a member of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) was deeply sympathetic to the republican movement, his first wife being an active member of provos, who unfortunately passed away early in her life while on active service. My father’s family completely disowned him. I could talk more about his involvement and events that occurred in his early life but don’t want to dox myself. The troubles should never be glorified, there were no winners and the biggest victims of the conflict were just ordinary working class men and women.

[@barneymagee3285]

The convert always has to prove himself to the pack by appearing more extreme than them , he is never trusted regardless..

[@nervesinapattern7261]

@@barneymagee3285 You’re spot on, he definitely became disillusioned with certain people in Belfast and how they tried to govern the movement. Armagh unlike Belfast wasn’t crawling with informants. My dad seems to have much more respect for Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, he could see where things were headed.

[@redthezz]

Nice simplification but you forgot why the Troubles started in the first place. You said that in 1923 that the Protestants were a majority in the north, that is true. But by 1960's the Catholic population was growing but the treatment of Catholics by the Ulster government in Stormont was deplorable: The Northern Ireland (NI) government was gerrymandered to the extent that Protestant areas had more seats in Stormont than Catholic areas; Catholics were denied government jobs including the Royal Ulster Constabulary; even the court systems favoured Protestants over Catholics in various issues. Also the RUC had the right to intern Catholics in jail based a whim of IRA sympathies. I am not saying the IRA started all this, I am saying that NI degradation of Catholic rights gave them a lot of new members the IRA. Heck even Free Derby was created when the RUC was pushed out of the Bogside area by the IRA. Bloody Sunday 1972 was a peaceful protest that turned into a massacre. The people were marching for fair rights and Catholics and Protestants to be treated normally. Instead in turned into a bloody war which lasted until 1998. Question is: what was Republic of Irelands (ROI) point of view on these violation of civil rights on Catholics in NI, what was ROI's views of the gerrymandering of NI that favoured Ulster Nationalist Parties, and more importantly what was the ROI's political statement of the Bloody Sunday 1972 massacre?

We were against it.

[@niallodonnell7827]

They burned down the British embassy in Dublin. The British started a war against Irish people in NI. There had been a previous massacre in Ballymurphy by the same regiment and there was the sinister Glennane gang -all happening when Irish people were demanding their rights and before the IRA became a force.

[@geordiewishart1683]

You neglect to mention that the IRA murdered two policemen three days before Bloody Sunday. Ex RA man Shane Doherty concedes that the IRA were armed and amongst the crowd. But let's just keep demanding new inquiries until we get the narrative we want

[@barneymagee3285]

A very biased view , while there was ‘gerrymandering’ against catholics in londonderry , Protestant teenagers were being massacred in cork , which is worse …? Catholics were NEVER denied places in the ruc , in fact , the nucleus of that force was taken from the overwhelmingly catholic RIC , and a percentage of places were reserved for catholics , as they also were in the Ulster special constabulary . These percentages were not met because of the threat of death from the Ira , though the ruc did attain 11 percent . Protestants, as well as catholics were interned in the 70,s , and we all hear about the catholics killed by the army , while ignoring all the Protestants , ( six in east Belfast alone) mainly teenagers , we can be biased yes , but base it on facts

@@barneymagee3285 LOL you deranged lunatic.

[@Who-rx5ky]

Just to clarify at 1:09, the Government of Ireland Act of 1920 was the first act that officially split the island of Ireland into two separate entities. The Anglo-Irish allowed for Northern Ireland to opt out of the Irish Free State which would then be followed up by a boundary commission. It was essentially just a way to fool the rebels into accepting the separation of the two with them believing that they'd gain enough of Northern Ireland so as to reduce it to a rump state that they'd absorb in a few years.

[@johnmackenreillytag]

Gaeilgeoir eile anseo chun moladh a thabhairt dod' chuid Gaeilge agus an iarracht a rinne tú leis an bhfuaimniú. Maith thú fhéin!

[@irelandaintreal2945]

lovely to see the gaeilge, good pronunciation! ❤❤

[@studentdrake]

Good timing

[@easytiger6570]

What's the background music?

[@paulduffy4585]

The map at 8:05 is the province of Ulster. It comprises of 9 counties, only 4 of which had a unionist majority at that time. Partition was by no means a democratic move. It was done under threat of violence by unionists who had imported 1000s of German guns. The will of the Irish people had been demonstrated - once again - in the elections of 1918. In reponse to which British parliamentary laws, for Irish home-rule, were enacted.

[@barneymagee3285]

Depends on your perspective , unionists saw it as a last defence line against the Ira murder gangs who were running amok murdering Protestants , policemen , and ex soldiers..

[@paulduffy4585]

@@barneymagee3285 historical fact has nothing to do with perspective and everything to do with context and evidence-based assertions.

[@malahammer]

I think the the biggest issue was when heading up North for one reason of another, in a Republic of Ireland registered car. Especially when passing by a red, white and blue painted house estate.

[@michaeltobin7145]

great video also thanks for you pronociation of Irish

[@niallodonnell7827]

Excellent Gaelic pronounciation

[@alansmithee8831]

Hello Hilbert. The only time I visited Northern Ireland was just before things kicked off in 1969. I was so small as to not know anything about it. I was interested recently to watch the film '71. Something in it reminded me of the idea of covert British influence over the IRA. Back in the 1970s I heard rumours of a potential coup in Britain and the names Lord Mountbatten and Airey Neave were mentioned as proposed national leaders. Both were later reported killed by the IRA. I do not generally go in for conspiracy theories, but the original BBC TV fiction series Game of Thrones had an assassination attributed to Irish Nationalist terrorists that was security service inspired, so I reckon I was not the only one who heard them. I commented before that there were factual reports in the 1970s, I think on BBC Nationwide, of Irish political scandal involving weapons going north. I checked on KZbin. You might look into it? I will not comment further, as I could get stuff wrong with only videos as evidence.

[@Sammy1234568910]

I think the relationship between the RoI government and the troubles is complicated. The RoI state might have viewed the IRA as a terrorist group, but I wouldn't go as far as say they cooperated with the UK. There are plenty of allegation of contact between the RoI security forces and Republican paramilitaries some of which has been proven in the Smithwick Tribunal. Despite the judge in that case saying he hoped the outcome would help change a "culture of failing to adequately address suggestions of wrongdoing" There is I feel in the south a comfortable detachment to the NI Troubles and thus unwillingness to examine such cases. I also recommend for purposes of factuality over crystal ball predictions that you slightly change the ending of the video from "but when that happens..." to "but if that happens..."

[@bradyh79]

Your Irish language pronunciation is very good....

[@Shaden0040]

I think it's telling how the British monarchy and the British government feel about Northern Ireland

[@RealMrBruh]

13:40 I assume you meant to say fracturing of the Provisional IRA. With groups like the Real IRA forming in 1997 and the previous Continuity IRA that formed in 1986 but only started attacks in 1994 due to a short lived ceasefire by the Provos in that same year. That first ceasefire ended in 1996 btw.

[@micealconlon9762]

God Bless South Armagh

[@michaelowino228]

Good video.

[@admiralradish]

Alot of those guys said fuck it and moved to the USA. I know 2 that live in TX. They wont go back. Dont blame them.

[@Runboyrun89]

Well if they live there and have a good life, why would they go back? Uprooting is tough. If they won’t go back to visit, that’s bizarre tbh.

[@grenshaw100]

Would they be Jimmy and Tommy? Tell them to come home. Jaysus, we miss them something terrible and theirn mammy's are fierce worried.

[@cambs0181]

@@grenshaw100 It's actually Diego and Carlos. They jumped over the wall (American's geographical knowledge of the outside world)

[@Dreyno]

Contrary to what many think, the Good Friday Agreement only covers people already convicted. Anyone suspected of murder is still liable to prosecution. They may end up serving a much shorter sentence but there’s no incentive to come back and be arrested, charged, prosecuted etc. Having said that, seeing as the guys you know have spoke about it, it’s likely they had little to no involvement. If you actually were involved in IRA actions, you never talk about it.

[@barneymagee3285]

@@Dreyno so , you were never involved……

[@sb8163]

Irish nationalist's peaceful constitutional campaign was never going to get equal treatment from the British government, and this was evident when Edward Carson formed an illegal militia and took up arms to prevent Irish Home Rule in opposition to the sovereign decision of the British parliament, when it appeared that the decades of peaceful political campaign for a devolved parliament for Ireland was on the verge of being realised The British government did not mercilessly crush 'Carson's Army' as they had always done to the Irish republican's physical force campaigns. When the Irish nationalists saw this partisan treatment of the militant loyalists, they followed suit and imported their own shipment of arms (also delivered and funded by Protestants eg. Erskine Childers, Darryl Figgis, and Alice Stopford Green) "Where all your rights have become only an accumulated wrong, where men must beg with bated breath for leave to subsist in their own land, to think their own thoughts, to sing their own songs, to gather the fruits of their own labours, and, even while they beg, to see things inexorably withdrawn from them - then, surely, it is a braver, a saner, and truer thing to be a rebel, in act and in deed, against such circumstances as these than to tamely accept it as the natural lot of men." - Sir Roger Casement, Speech From The Dock

[@niallodonnell7827]

Great speech

[@lunabourke3923]

2:10 To think the Doyle was responsible for British hero Sherlock Holmes (my heart's out to you if you get this reference lol).

[@paulmartin4168]

He said Dail,pronounced Doyle. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was born in Dublin.

[@yermanoffthetelly]

Dáil is pronounced more like "Dawl" not Doyle

[@DanKnGames]

Depends where u are I think​@@yermanoffthetelly

[@michealcormier2555]

How much of an impact is the U.K.'s exit from the EU playing a part in possible future outcomes? Would it be a strictly Protestant/Catholic matter in that regard? A legit curious question I've been pondering.

Brexit has done more for Irish unification than semtex.

[@yoloswaggins7121]

It's a good question A lot of people have been talking about Irish reunification since Brexit and that's because it isn't a Protestant/Catholic divide exactly. Obviously the vast majority of Catholics wanted to remain in the EU, but a lot of younger Protestants are also pro EU. The younger generations, especially those born after the Good Friday Agreement, do not really care about all this sectarian stuff and there arw many young Protestants who would consider joining the Republic as a means of rejoining the EU

[@Dreyno]

The Troubles was split along Protestant/Catholic lines but it really isn’t about religion. The divide is political. Protestants were generally unionist and Catholics nationalist. Most couldn’t care less about transubstantiation or bible studies. It’s portrayed as a fight over religion whereas it was a fight about civil rights and national identity that happened to be split among a religious divide from centuries earlier.

[@barneymagee3285]

@@Dreyno to simplify it , the Ira have always wanted to drive out the ‘ British presence’ , the ‘British presence’ however , is over a million people who are ethnically Scot’s and English , have lived in Ulster for over 400 years , and are not considering moving anywhere .

[@Dreyno]

@@barneymagee3285 They wanted to remove British rule, not ethnically cleanse a million people. That’s complete nonsense.

[@Runboyrun89]

Hard to do that video in 15 mins but to note; 1) The Treaty was overwhelmingly popular in the South. At least 2 in 3 supported it for a variety of reasons. This isn’t emphasised in the South because Fianna Fáil (as part of SF) were anti Treaty and it is somewhat embarrassing for them. This often opens up a crack for hardcore Republicans to make claims on the legitimacy of the Treaty. 2) FF are critical to understand the South as they were 99% of the hardcore that rejected the Treaty. They were founded in order to find a political route in the South for those who had turned away from politics. Within 10 years of the Civil War they were in power. The key was how they approached things Constitutionally (and Provisional SF took lessons from them later on). They “interpreted” things how they preferred and then published the 1937 constitution you mention. This made the territorial claim from the South over the North and this appeased most in the South who were still upset by the Treaty. In essence this was pretending to own it without having to do the dirty work, a tacit acceptance of the status quo whilst retaining “moral” legitimacy. 99.9% of the South were very happy about this. 3) the majority of the south were furious with how the Troubles started out. The British Embassy was burnt down, the Taoiseach went on the tv to condemn what was happening buuuuut the South were never going to start an unwinable. They had their position and constitutional means was the only acceptable mainstream position. That wasn’t going to change by the Troubles.

[@niallodonnell7827]

I agree almost entirely. Presented with an unwinnable war against perhaps the pre-eminent world power at the time the majority of Irish people went with the only thing that was available. Irish people on the wrong side of the border felt betrayed but they were going to be on the wrong side of the border anyway because the British had forced this. They are now the ones who will decide where we all go in the future.

[@johnq4951]

Not just the south, the east and the west too.

[@bobsemple9341]

Stop calling it the "south"

[@Runboyrun89]

@@bobsemple9341 why?

[@bobsemple9341]

@@Runboyrun89 Ireland is the "south". We're Ireland

[@jojokeavy2835]

Irelands history is a lot older than 1921.

[@erikthomsen4768]

Cramming a thousand years into the standard 15 minute format wouldn’t have ended well. Besides relevance is important.

[@dpj1]

No shit Sherlock

[@danielsilfee]

Independent Ireland begins in 1921

[@Lala-kc2fw]

​@@danielsilfeenah, the high king

[@velouris76]

Great analysis, one slight thing to point out: The Republic of Ireland should never, ever be referred to as "Southern Ireland" because the most northerly point of the Island of Ireland is actually in the Republic, not Northern Ireland, in County Donegal... I know you were using the term, in the sense as to how it's sometimes commonly referred to, but it's geographically incorrect.

[@insiderreality491]

Southern Ireland or the Free State is what it's called. The rest of the names are void. Lloyd George picked those 26 counties they were originally called Southern Ireland. The 26 county state sure as Hell isn't "Ireland" as the West Brits now claim. Some Englishman picking 26 counties isn't what Ireland is or means. Should be called selloutland or fake-Ireland.

[@Lala-kc2fw]

​@@insiderreality491it's not southern. And it's definitely not a free state. It basically and oligarchy with an unelected coalition.

[@velouris76]

@@insiderreality491 So you say that Lloyd George picked those 26 counties, then further on, say “some Englishman (i.e referring back to Lloyd George, who you had already mentioned) picking 26 counties isn’t what Ireland is…” Errr…you do realise that Lloyd George wasn’t actually English, he was Welsh, and in fact, English wasn’t even his first language (he was a Welsh native speaker, who only started to learn English from about the age of about 6 or 7)… I won’t even go into the other bits you mentioned…but the fact you are referring to “West Brits” for Ireland, like “North Brits” for Scotland were terms used briefly in the 18th century, and haven’t been used before or since… Also, I’ve read the original drafts of the 1921 Anglo-Irish treaty, and it is always referred to as the Irish Free State, nowhere in the treaty is it called “Southern Ireland”… Why?…because it wouldn’t have made any logical sense, if County Donegal, the most northerly county of all of the 32 counties, being in “Southern Ireland”

[@insiderreality491]

@@velouris76 Is that the best you can do? Welsh. The man was British then. The 26 counties are not Ireland they are a partitioned off zone within Ireland. It was called Southern Ireland, the Irish free state, Éire, It’s been called the Republic of Ireland in sports etc and now Ireland. What name will it have next year? Ireland is the island, saying it’s 26 counties an Anglo-Welsh man picked isn’t particularly Irish infact I regard that as a British ideology because thats where those 26 counties were picked. In England, by a bunch of Englishmen and one Welsh man with a very English name in England.

[@seanquinn4540]

By that same logic, "northern Ireland's" name makes no sense at all.

[@mrjars5721]

I think they sent an ambulance up the road in 1969 and it broke down. The republic sat on the fence during the troubles . Apart from Dundalk and the border regions who took part . The rest of the republic didnt do much. Some in Kerry helped but thats about it.

[@runningamok2825]

A Broad Church 1 and 2 are amazing books for this.

[@karlosdeevs]

12:55 nice bit of Dublin twang ya wielded there!

[@CakeboyRiP]

This might just be me but do the Irish names you pronounce sound a lot like Frisian?

[@niallodonnell7827]

Totally unrelated but Dutch also has the throaty pronunciations. Gaelic Irish is neither a Latin language nor a Germanic one. It's a Celtic language from a group which once dominated western Europe. It's the third language after Greek and Latin to be written down-the first outside the Mediterranean basin

[@BrianBurns-u6y]

@@niallodonnell7827

[@eddieportmore1]

I think ,to this day .In 2024, for moving towards, a united Ireland .What did the Republic of Ireland do Or could have done and didn't .To prevent ,what took place , in northern Ireland .Would the Irish government that have came and went .Have any thing to do, with its Irish people in the north of Ireland .But for ,THE TROUBLES, THAT WENT ON, UP THERE .Look at the 1916 commemoration ,held each year .They ,the Irish government, should be celebrating .The treaty and the partition of Ireland from 1921 on.//What did the free state do since .It took until The, Anglo Irish agreement,1985 , because of the troubles .To have change ,from what was going on .The British, right to be in Ireland / .And the Irish government . ,at the 1916 events every year ,hijack Irish history .Or a disgrace to the Irish people ..Over what has been going on for hundreds of years .1840s, millions destroyed ,and on, 3600 dead ,in the troubles ,up to 1998 GFA .There will be only one day in Ireland ,to be celebrated .The day Ireland is united .Not the 17th nor a failed 1916 rebellion .Against the British .

[@willmc9612]

Polite and respectful comments only. 😂

[@MrMalcovic]

There hasn't been a king (or queen) of England since 1707.

[@ciaranoneill253]

We were deserted by the south...... They casually ignored the treatment of the northern Catholics..... They did want to destroy the cosy life they had.....tye pain and anguish what nationalist went through..... Even today the south doesn't want us

[@Irishman0855]

The south does want yous please don’t think that

[@barneymagee3285]

“ pain and anguish”…… only a paddy …..! 😂

[@Deadsmegma]

Given the state of the country now, the troubles about to return very quickly.

No.

[@Dreyno]

What does that even mean?

[@Lala-kc2fw]

​@@Dreynoff and Fg will get in again (Unelected coalition) so protests maybe riots will happen

[@Lala-kc2fw]

Yes

@@Lala-kc2fw OK fake account.

[@georgerobartes2008]

Now Eire is in more trouble than it has ever been .

[@stiofain88]

Ever heard of the famine? Don't speak to us like you know anything about us.

[@stiofain88]

@@georgerobartes2008 Pick one, count how many people are starving or forced to immigrate today, evaluate how stupid your original statement was and stfu.

[@stiofain88]

@@georgerobartes2008 Pick one. Any would serve to prove your statement was brain-dead.

[@stiofain88]

@@georgerobartes2008 And you think Ireland is worse off now.

[@georgerobartes2008]

@@stiofain88 I'm sorry but I have posted the wrong comments . I'm responding to comments regarding the history of the British involvement in Bangladesh and in other parts of the world. I've deleted the last ones . What surprised me , you didn't notice .

[@warbler1984]

Would love a video on the vikings in Ireland!

[@jamesvandemark2086]

Thanks for illustrating this issue. Ours is a Dutch/Irish family. Lots of history.

[@niallodonnell7827]

I lived in Delft for a brief period in my youth. I was assured that the large statue of William of Orange there referred to the man responsible for so much trouble in Ireland but of course this is nonsense. The Dutch have had a few Williams of Orange. They obviously sent the trouble maker abroad.lol

[@willleahy6958]

Well done on the pronunciation of Irish language words. Comhghairdeas leat!

[@JohnFlynn-p3i]

The most northern part of the island of Ireland is in Donegal in the Republic of Ireland so anyone saying southern Ireland isn’t very smart.

[@Septimus_ii]

True, but it includes pretty much everyone who refers to The Republic Of Ireland

[@OscarOSullivan]

Isn’t there a saying that some place in Donegal is the most northerly place in the south, even more northern than the north?

[@Michael-j4l3d]

Actually it's all OHIO, *Always has been*

[@AJ_real]

It's ridiculous to me that Dev and Collins abandoned the Irish people in the north.

[@jamie8032]

Both my parents grew up in the republic during the troubles and there where two main feelings.. those with staunch republican sentiment where outraged while others, just got on with their lives,

[@cambs0181]

Yeh, there was always quite a spectrum of views in the Republic. Even some which don't want the North, being it will cause such a strain on the rest of the island if united.

[@mosesracal6758]

Wow, didnt know Mountbatten was actually killed outside of Northern Ireland

[@AyubuKK]

Good on Ireland for winning it’s independence. 🇮🇪

[@noodlyappendage6729]

It didn’t. Ireland is now split in two. One portion remained in the UK. The part that left the UK is now run from Brussels.

[@jtgd]

Ireland was already independent during the troubles…

[@Irelandforever609]

The scum government sold out Ireland to the EU and Vatican a long time ago

[@niallodonnell7827]

@@noodlyappendage6729Typical laughable comment from British brexiter whose country is now desperately searching for a way back into Europe

[@danielthevito9008]

​@@noodlyappendage6729And the part in the UK has a lower life expectency, higher levels of poverty and has a lower standard of living than the rest of the island

[@kuurakuutamo]

You left out that one time in County Clare when the Republic of Ireland actually prolonged The Troubles by raiding a meeting between Protestant clergymen acting on behalf of the UK, and representatives of the Provisional IRA; that was a choice, but peace was on the table and lots of lives on all sides could have been saved had Dublin not chose to take the actions they did that day.

[@niallodonnell7827]

I'm aware of no such thing but nonetheless if this is true do you think that the Irish authorities were actually trying to prevent peace? I mean ffs.

[@jimmyryan5880]

It's a 15 minute video

[@pizzacalzone6456]

You left out how the victims of Bloody Sunday and how the lives of the innocent could have been saved if the British had never partitioned Ireland

[@ajc5479]

Does Kuura Kuutamo like vomiting distortions of the truth? I think Yes, very much so.

[@dkinclonberne]

@kuurakuutamo talking absolute rubbish 🤦🏻

[@JimmyOhAnnrachain-ot5md]

Mate the way you proper put effort into pronouncing Irish names, I respect you so much

[@jimmyryan5880]

You can tell you put a lot of effert into the Irish pronounciations, good job.

[@semigoth299]

Just about caught up, I know what Seinn Fenn means ourselves alone but I sometimes wonder if they didn’t outsource some ner well people.

[@Gypsygeekfreak17]

"I believe it's time to move past our troubles and let things unfold naturally. Whether the North joins Ireland or remains part of the UK is uncertain, but our focus should now shift to larger issues, particularly immigration challenges affecting both our countries. The establishment's policies are affecting us adversely, and I wish no harm upon either the UK or Ireland. It's time for us to unite for the good of our homelands and confront our challenges together. We're essentially very similar peoples now. While we can't change the past or the lives lost, we must learn from history to prevent such tragedies from recurring. Let's look at the bigger picture and work together to oppose those who harm both of our nations.

[@insidiatori9148]

Bro how do you speak so much meaningless thin air? Damn dude.

Punctuation?

[@niallodonnell7827]

The best way to get united actions is unity. What's wrong with that?

[@Vito-yp5wh]

Es lebe hoch FREIES Irland!!!!

[@semigoth299]

I get the 1916 uprisings confused with this in 1921.

[@TheDanieldineen]

My great grandparents were on the losing side, we got there in the end though, no hard feelings, at aghaidh leat Hilbert! 👍

[@TheDanieldineen]

You covered the 60's as well as could be expected from a 5 min vid, and good on you, the reason the north was full of unionists (Protestant) was many (but not nearly all, just the ruling class), moved there after the war (of independence)! ACKCHUALLY Then the IRA went to shit... I love your work, 👍

[@TheDanieldineen]

Interesting tid bit, I taught (professionally) alongside the last teacher on Inis Píc! A lovely woman! 👍

[@TheDanieldineen]

I've only just got to the end of it, two hours later, I'll take issue with loads of things (as a partisan), excellent stuff Hilbert, maith thú! ,👍

[@010Jordi]

I've heard that a lot of the ira in northern Ireland didn't just want to be incorporated into the republic to the south because they saw it as corrupt.

[@Joseph13163]

Yes they wanted to set up a socialist republic

[@niallodonnell7827]

I guess you can't be entirely immune to a million British supremacists but if the south was corrupt-what was the north?

[@luislopezvivas5155]

I was literally wondering about this earlier today . Spooky coincidence

[@charlesferdinand422]

The British only fought with bows and today only fight at sea because they're terrified of having to fight anyone directly (like men); no wonder the modern-day British default war strategy (applied in both world wars) consists of hiding their tiny island while keeping an oversized navy to prevent anyone from landing there (thus avoid having to face the enemy) and the most important part which is to BEG the United States (Britain's historic boyfriend and current owner) to please come fight for them and save them. That's why they've made so much of the battle of Trafalgar when, in real-life, it had a little practical immediate effect and Napoleon barely sighed when receiving the news; but the British keep celebrating that victory because fighting on sea is all they can do, whenever they fight at land they get their sorry asses kicked even against "inferior" enemies such as Elphinstone's army in Afghanistan, Isandlwana, the American revolutionary war, Dunkirk, by the Jews at Palestine, the Dutch at Medway (after which the British lost their fleet which meant their island was open to invasion after which they panicked and surrendered ending the war in whatever terms (they could get no matter how unfavorable rather than fighting like men), Buenos Aires (twice) and Singapore, among many many others; and the only victories at sea they've scored have been by surprise attacks (such as the battle of the River Plate), ambushes (just like they did at the battle of Jutland or Cape Matapan) or by using overwhelming numbers (like they did with the Bismark: in the first encounter 2 German ships, including the Bismarck, fought against 3 British ships which included the most powerful British ship, the HMS Prince of Wales, known as "the pride of the Royal Navy" and the Bismarck alone defeated the 3 British ships and easily destroyed the HMS Prince of Wales, after which the British fled and only came back in overwhelming numbers, sending 12 ships against the Bismarck). That's why in Corunna they used their favorite tactic: be defeated and escape by sea (the same one used in Dunkirk); by the way, Wellington's only tactic consisted of hiding behind a hill and attacking only when the enemy lowered his guard while having an ally do most of the fighting; also explaining why during all of the wars between Britain and France the British only strategy consisted of conquering small irrelevant colonies with overwhelming forces which were their only direct victories. Also, they have no problem whatsoever betraying their allies to further its interests such as when they bombarded Copenhagen even though Denmark wasn't at war with Britain (they did this to destroy the Danish fleet so Napoleon couldn't use it to invade Britain if he conquered Denmark), or when the French surrendered in World War II after the British sent only a symbolic force (which achieved nothing and was defeated) and the British demanded the French hand over all of their ships to them (they were terrified that Hitler could use them to invade Britain) and when the French refused the British immediately forgot about their so-called "allies" and attacked the French fleet by surprise at Mers-el Kebir; and there's also the fact that the French surrendered because Churchill (supposed "tough guy") wrote them off and refused to send reinforcements, instead choosing to keep his forces in Britain in a sad attempt to deter an invasion and to improve his bargaining position during peace talks after the Germans won which he was sure would happen. Or when they betrayed the Portuguese (supposedly their oldest allies with whom they'd maintained an alliance treaty since 1386 although the Portuguese have never really seen any benefits while the British have) by sending them an ultimatum in 1890 demanding them to evacuate some of their African colonies and once they did they quickly moved to occupy these areas just so they could have a continuous land connection between South Africa and Egypt or during the Seven Years War: the British always seek a powerful ally with a powerful land army (as the British are too cowardly to fight like men) to protect them and fight for them and the United States didn't exist yet so they tricked Prussia into joining them and paid the Prussians to fight on the continent in their place but as soon as the British attained their goals in the other theaters of the war they immediately forgot about their Prussian "allies" and suddenly stopped the cash flow to Prussia and abandoned them just at the height of the war, leaving the Prussians to their own devices to fight alone against France, Austria and Russia, almost resulting in the destruction of Prussia, something every country in Europe took note of and is also why during the Circassian genocide when Russian captured the British ship Vixen (then delivering aid) the British loudly threatened war but backed down when they couldn't find any ally to do the actually fighting for them. During the Napoleonic Wars, the British were at their worst, paying others to fight for them, causing the Emperor of Austria to say "The English are flesh traffickers, they pay others to fight in their place", while Napoleon said the British were "a people of cowardly marine merchants". Here's a tiny selection of the countless British defeats: Afghans 6-13 January 1842 - retreat from Kabul - entire British army captured or killed (17,000 KIA) 3 September 1879 - Kabul ...again 27 July 1880 - Maiwand - 900-1,000 British/Indian troops killed By Mahdist March 13, 1884 - January 26, 1885 Siege of Khartoum - 7,000 force lost to Mahdis February 4, 1884 First Battle of El Teb Chinese 4 September 1839 Battle of Kowloon - defensive victory June 24-26, 1859 Second Battle of Taku Forts Russians Petropavlovsk - British landing repelled Battle of the Great Redan - British failure while the French do succeed in taking the Malakoff Balaclava - British lancers and hussars of the light brigade annihilated. Taganrog - failure of the Anglo-French contingent to take Taganrog Siege of Kars - Anglo Turkish force fails to take Kars Zulus Isandlwanna - an entire column wiped out. 1,400 killed Intombe - supply convoy wiped out. 104 dead Hlobane - No. 4 column wiped out. 225 killed Bulgarians Battle of Kosturino 1915 Battle of Doiran 1916 Battle of Doiran 1917 Battle of Doiran 1918 Argentinians 2 April 1982 - Invasion of the Falklands - 100+ Marines and sailors captured 3 April 1982 - Argentinians seize Leith Harbor. 22 Royal Marine POWs 10 May 1982 - sinking of the HMS Sheffield 22 May 1982 - sinking of the HMS Ardent 23 May 1982 - Battle of Seal Cove 24 May 1982 - sinking of the HMS Antelope 25 May 1982 - SS Atlantic Conveyor sunk by Argentinians 25 May 1982 - HMS Coventry is sunk by Arg. aircraft. 29 May 1982 - Mount Kent Battle - 5 SAS dead in friendly fire incident. 6-7 June 1982 - British paratroops vacate position under pressure, leaving radio codes 8 June 1982 - Bluff Cove Air Attacks 10 June 1982 - Skirmish at Many Branch Point - capture of the SAS contingent. Ghurka victories January 1814 - Battle of Makwanpur Gadhi - British army kept at bay January 1814 - Battle of Jitgadh - British attack repulsed with 300 KIA Spring 1814 - Battle of Hariharpur Gadhi - British Indian army stymied. November 1814 - Battle of Nalapani - British force decimated with 700+ casualties December, 1814 - Battle of Jaithak - 53rd Div. defeated and repelled. Dutch 16 August 1652 - Battle of Plymouth - De Ruyter's triumph 30 November 1652 - Battle of Dungeness - Dutch gain control of the English Channel 4 March 1653 - Battle of Leghorn - 5 ships captured or sunk 2 August 1665 - Battle of Vågen 1-4 June 1666 - Four Days' Battle - 10 ships lost with upwards of 4,500 killed and wounded 2-5 September 1666 - Burning of London 9-14 June 1667 - Raid on Medway - Dutch raid, ends with loss of 13 English ships 28 May 1672 - Battle of Solebay 7 -14 June 1673 - Battle of Schooneveld August 21, 1673 - Battle of Texel Others - by the Albanians (the 78th Regiment of Foot at Rosetta), - by the Americans (at Cowpens, in 1813 at Thames, and in 1815 at New Orleans), - by the Poles (in 1810 at Fuengirola), - by the native Indians (at Monongahela), - by the Egyptians (1807 at El-Hamad or Hamaad) - by Native Americans at the first Roanoake Island Colony where they defeated the English colonists who had then had to be rescued by Francis Drake, fleeing by sea (the usual British tactic of fleeing by sea) Among many, many, others.

[@windsong3wong828]

When you live in a prison or an unfair system…..you have a right to FIGHT.

[@SgtLostSpartan]

Buying a couple of little Armalites?

[@wolfysmith4752]

It might have been worth mentioning the Republic's refusal to extradite IRA terrorists North, and its constitutional claim on Ulster, which was only recently removed (having claims on other member state's territory is also against EU membership rules, but that get's skipped over). Members of the security forces of the Republic also actively assisted the Provisionals, or, at best, looked the other way. After all it's only Brits and Prods they were trying to kill...

[@TheSellick]

Armoured cars and tanks and guns…

[@MCKevin289]

Came to take away our sons

[@watabob9633]

But every man must stand behind

[@tommy-0791]

The men behind the wire 😂

[@sherlockgnomes8971]

Could you go a chicken supper Bobby Sands?

[@TheSellick]

Bobby sands MP*

[@columorourke5426]

Incorrect. Partition was a British invention brought about by Lloyd George’s Govt with the Better Government of Ireland Act 1920. The mention of the two separate states in the Treaty was regarding a Boundary Commission which didn’t come about.

[@dendradwar9464]

Better point and subsequent question is During the war of independence Britain declared martial law only in the most southern of counties in Ireland Why? Thats where the fighting happened Then during the Irish Civil War the same places fought on against the rest to try and secure independence for the 6 counties in the north What happened in the North whilst the deep south was fighting to free them? Nothing is what happened The better question is why did the North do so little to free themselves when ti was the best possible time to free themselves? And why do none of them know about this to this day?

[@paddypoohead]

What are you talking about? There were pogroms in the north against Catholics during the civil war, in fact there was a mini civil war in the north at the same time, also called The Troubles, the death rate in the north was comparatively higher than the death rate south of the border, they had their own problems. You don't have a notion.

[@dendradwar9464]

@@paddypoohead Pogroms were Loyalist mobs running amok. The name Pogrom itself shows it was not a civil war but mob violence Death rate in the north over the course of both of wat of independence and the civl war were not comparable particularly when compared to where the actual fighting happened the 4 counties of Cork, Kerry, Tipperary and Limerick. The death rate in those 4 counties dwarved the rest by the proverbial country mile Look up the Battle of Killmallock, death of Liam Lynch in the Knockmeldowns. Cork Landings, Limerick barracks, etc Look up the atrocity of Ballyseedy where anti treaty IRA men were strapped to landmines and blown sky high by free state forces. 99% of Northern republicans have no idea what happened in the South apart from the "myth" they were sold out by the South. 75% of the Southern IRA were anti treaty .. the free state were armed trained and equipped (many volunteers from the British army served in the Free tate army) by the British The south did not sell out the North. The south fought for the North. Dublin Castle took the queens shilling and crushed the south.

[@Runboyrun89]

@@paddypooheadwell it is actually not an unreasonable point. The moderate Nationalist Party had their most popularity in the North.

[@paddypoohead]

@@Runboyrun89 I've just explained why it actually is an unreasonable point, there was a simultaneous (and more bloody) civil war happening in the north so why would republicans/nationalists be focused on the south? They were getting burned out of their houses (it happened to Protestants too to a lesser extent).

[@matthewbarry376]

A , B & C specials. Hard to fight a war when the approx 50% of the population opposed to you are the ones with arms

[@Phil-D83]

They likely supported the IRA

[@stiofain88]

Too stupid to even watch the video and too ignorant to not comment about it.

[@cosmicwanderer3950]

Ireland didn’t invade the North because they didn’t want to fight loyalist paramilitaries? No, Ireland didn’t invade the North because the British would have retaliated and wouldn’t have stopped until they got to Dublin.

[@Nevano12]

Total bs why would they go to Dublin when it wasn't in the UK fgs

[@stiofain88]

​@@Nevano12Ye could never resist a land grab

[@Nevano12]

​@stiofain88 who's ye? I'm an Irish Nordie

[@urfadder]

The State of Ireland is not a “nation”. It is a large part of the Irish nation.

You are confused.

[@niallodonnell7827]

I believe that we are watching the formation of a separate nation in NI but we won't know this until there is a Border Poll up there. If the decision is against unity and has a lot of Catholic support -then I think the state of Ireland will be the Irish nation

[@urfadder]

A State and a Nation are two different things. The Irish nation extends beyond the borders of the 26-county State of Ireland. The extent to which it does so is open to debate.

[@niallodonnell7827]

@@urfadder Yes-it is open to debate until it is clarified in a Border Poll when the citizens of NI will be asked effectively if they feel they are Irish or not. Clearly most Protestants are not Irish and if they are joined by sufficient numbers of Catholics such that there is little chance of unity in the future ,then de facto we are looking at two nations conforming to the border-an Irish and a separate Northern Irish nation.

[@billwhite1603]

Britain didn't need to own or control Ireland. They fought around the world against the institution of slavery, but Irish were those to be controlled and leveraged. It is difficult to believe it took until to twentieth century for Ireland to be given their freedom. And why must they have to recognize the British crown? Again, that denotes ownership. For hundreds of years the Irish were enslaved one way or the other.

[@Dreyno]

After they’d spent centuries industrialising the scale of slavery, to put that in context.

[@CaptainChaos-1]

@@Dreyno Shouldn't that be 'we'd' instead of 'they'd', or don't you think any son of Ireland was involved in slavery? Research the history of Monserrat or perhaps David Tuohy & Felix Doran.

[@Dreyno]

@@CaptainChaos-1 It was all carried out under the British system. Trying to spread blame around is, at best, disingenuous. Both the men you mentioned carried out their business from Liverpool. That you had their names to hand so readily shows how few Irish people were involved who weren’t Anglo-Irish aristocracy. It’s, frankly, the argument of a child to point to some of a vanishingly small set of examples as proof. They were very much the exceptions and their disgusting business was not the benefit to Ireland that it was to Great Britain. In fact, slavery helped pay for English armies to subjugate Ireland for the entire 17th century. Being so condescending as to tell people to research a history because you think you have some sort of a zinger is laughable. Jog on.

[@CaptainChaos-1]

@@Dreyno You're right they did ply their trade from Liverpool only because slavers wasn't allowed to trade out of Ireland. But you cannot deny that there were many Irish merchants who made good money as provisioners to that vile trade. The Legacy of British Slavery database identifies the Irish slave owners (you could also own part shares, many thousands of middle class people participated in slavery this way) that were paid compensation by the Brit Govt after the abolition. The Irish philoshopher George Berkley kept slaves on his plantation, the great patriot John Mitchel was a firm supporter of slavery, even Edmund Burke who as you know was fierce critic of the empire had interests in sugar and slaves in the Caribbean. I gleaned most of this information from Irelands very own Times, who ran an interestingt series of articles about Irelands connection to its imperial past. I apologise if I came accross as condescending, that wasn't my intension I just think all angles of the story should be told, whether that's a 'zinger' or not is your choice. As for being called a child, that's okay I've been called worse. Jogging on...

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@@CaptainChaos-1 But you’ve only reinforced my point. Edmund Burke was Anglo-Irish aristocracy. George Berkeley was Anglo-Irish aristocracy. John Mitchel, whilst an Irish nationalist of his own volition, came from a Presbyterian family. You’re citing people who, for the most part, saw themselves as English but who happened to be born in Ireland. Ireland was a colony. Its parliament was a parliament of settlers. Its foreign policy that of its master’s. So I do not accept “we’d” industrialised slavery. It was very much England and Britain’s trade.