Did "The Troubles" Affect Scotland?

[@Hsalf904]

Important for people to realize that Scotland has historically been extremely culturally divided between Highlands and Lowlands. Highlands were much culturally closer to the Irish and were Gaelic-speaking, kilt-wearing, mixed Catholic/Protestant, and lived under the clan system Lowlands were generally Scots/English-speaking, Protestant, pants-wearing, and lived under a feudal and then capitalist system. The Ulster settlers came from the Lowlands and it was partly to cut off the cultural, economic and military links between Ireland and the Highlands

[@SerialChiller1000]

The first Stuart king, James I and VI, planted Ulster with Northern English and Lowland Scots to break the power of the Stuart's historical Highland rivals.

[@rocksandforestquiver959]

@@Hsalf904 There's definitely an alternate timeline where the Isles could have ended up divided between basically a smaller England, a Kingdom encompassing northern England + southern Scotland, and 1-2 Kingdoms split between Ireland and the north/ west of Scotland, maybe some western British enclaves.

[@connor_88]

Essentially true, but remember: the neat Highlands/Lowlands divide is a modern thing. For instance, Galloway in the south-west was culturally and linguistically Gaelic until around the 17th/18th century. Alex Woolf said parts of Scotland around this time were akin to areas of the former Yugoslavia, where you had a mix of populations living in close proximity. Edit: Woolf made this comparison in reference to Scotland from the 8th-11th century, so not really relevant to the time of the video...but potentially still somewhat truthful.

[@sammorrow7007]

English wasnt spoken in scotland till after 1745 widely to after culloden...when the doric, gaelic and scots were more or less outlawed and most of the culture banned to break the sprit and will of the people who never wanted english rule.

[@copeandseethe9279]

The Highlands was not "mixed Catholic/Protestant" - with the exception of a few islands and villages, it was overwhelmingly Protestant - just like the Lowlands. There were also Gaelic speakers in Galloway as Connor mentioned.

[@tussk.]

The 'troubles' in N.I might not have came to Scotland in the form of bombs and guns, but they did affect us in a hundred little insidious ways. Violence, discrimination, and outright hostility were ever present, and you had to be careful where you went and what you said. For context, I grew up in the west, brought here from Ireland when I was just a baby, and lived in a mixed area that had a very vocal protestant majority. We weren't welcome, and they let us know whenever they could. We saw the looks we got from certain business owners, and the way cops treated us very differently from the rest. There were a few of them who rolled their shirt sleeves up to reveal their UVF tattoos, so that we were in no doubt where we stood. They hated us, and the feeling was mutual. It was hard to get a job as an immigrant, so there wasn't a lot of money in the community, but we stuck together and we got by. Alcoholism was a real problem, and it just fuelled the hatred the other side already had for us. We were drunk Irish bums, leeching off the state. Yeah, but only because they wouldn't let us work. As we got older, we became aware of the history of Ireland, and we jumped right into it. At night and days off school, we would meet in the park and listen to 5th generation copies of Wolfetones albums, and we learned about Parnell, Connolly, O'Donnell and all the rest. The prods would join The Boys Brigade and start their journey into the orange order, and learn about the apprentice boys and all that stuff. We would have been around 12-13 at the time, and that's when the real problems began. When we were kids it didn't mean much. A friend was a friend, regardless of their background, but now they were marching right through the middle of the place, singing songs about how we should go back where we came from. That was hard to take. I lost a lot of friends because of that. People I had known my whole life were now sworn enemies. and I had to fight them, or run from their gang. Stabbings, beatings and getting slashed with a Stanley knife were an everyday hazard, and you had to pick your walk home from school very carefully. Murder wasn't uncommon, especially on old firm day, and revenge beatings usually followed. A prod got killed on the London Road, so now a Tim had to get the same. It didn't matter who, but one of them was getting it. Getting stopped by strangers who would ask your name, where you were from, what school you went to etc, was part of every day life, and you had to know the right answers. When the rough looking men came to the door, or went around the bars with their quiet demands for cash, you had to put your hand into your pocket. Even at work, the football card would come around, and you bought your number just like everybody else, even though you knew the money was going right into the hands of the other side. You had no choice. It was just part of living here. So yeah. It wasn't anything like as bad as it was in Belfast, but the divisions were obvious and open all day every day. There was IRA graffiti all over the town back then, and we all had our tricolour or union flag. It's not so bad now, but that deep resentment and bitterness is still there, festering away. Saying that, I was heartened to see two teenagers walking through the centre a while back, one with a Rangers top, the other wearing Celtic. There was a time when that could have gotten them both killed, but nobody cared enough to even comment on it. That's a good sign for the future.

[@alexwallace5486]

I don't know where in Glasgow you were but I'm Glaswegian born and bred and to put it mildly you are exaggerating things to a ridiculous extent. I'm protestant, my best friend is catholic and neither football or religion separates us. I'm no youngster, I'm 72yr old. I'm also an ex soldier but mixed with the best of both sides, drank in "catholic/Celtic" pubs as well as " protestant / Rangers" pubs clubs etc. Yes, Scotland was affected by the troubles (dirty war) and still is, but not to that extent.

[@tussk.]

@@alexwallace5486 Oh, well if your experience is different to mine then I must be making it up. Thanks for sorting that out for us all. Edit. I'm curious though. Which part do you think I've exaggerated to a ridiculous degree? I think you'll find that a great many of us were in a very similar situation. sectarian violence was rife in glasgow for decades, and people on both sides were victims of random and vicious attacks. kids who grew up together turned against one another and started using language that they had learned from thier friends and parents, and we had to take religious and football affiliations into account when navigating our way home. walking through a place like Duntocher wearing a rangers scarf would be recorded as a self inflicted injury. I have no idea which area you grew up in, and Im glad that it wasn't like that for you, but dont go calling me a liar.

[@Sarah-y1b4p]

I want to vouch for you. I was brought up near Glasgow, Irish dad who moved here as a small child in the 60s. It's all true. Always hearing stories of stabbings and being told not to wear green or blue on certain days. It was scary sometimes. Worst part for me was the divide amongst adults, who they were friends with, wanted to marry etc. I also can't stand the marches it's such a bloody interruption to daily life. People who say it's not that bad were lucky enough to have it easier I guess. Or lived in a posh area, who knows. Or just really oblivious.

[@alexwallace5486]

@@tussk. I was born in the Calton, brought up in bridgeton and parkhead. Went to school in Parkhead and Shettleston. protestant father, catholic mother, had friends on both sidesbof the religious and footballing divide. Once at an old firm game when I was very young I joined the crowd in shouting ftp, the next thing I knew I got a real backhander from my dad, he said, this is your football team, not your religion and don't ever say that again. When my parents split up, I stayed with my dad (a church attending orangeman) my siblings (brothers who were christened protestant) went with my mum who immediately changed their religion to rc and their football team to celtic ( whick parent was the sectarian bigot) my brothers and I as we got older went to old firm games together but separated near the ground to go to opposite ends,and met up again afterwards. My mother's side of the family treated me entirely differently from my siblings, quite nasty at times, but my granny told every one of them straight, he is my first born grand child, leave him alone or you can leave. I didn't have it easy but while I admit there was and still remain issues in Glasgow, I never witnessed anything like what you describe. I am not calling you a liar, I am saying you've exaggerated things. If you really experienced it to that degree then it was shameful and paints the whole city in a bad light, that isn't the city I was raised in. So here's a question, do you carry the sectarian bigotry on or do you discourage it, I'd like to think, given your experiences that you do not. By the way, there is no offence directed towards you, like everything else, there's two sides to it all.

[@tussk.]

@@alexwallace5486 Im sorry to hear that you had that experience, but how can you claim that wasn't really that bad when you had a rift in your own family over sectarian issues without a hint of irony or self awareness?

[@Kmc-r7t]

Good videos Hilbert. Im Glaswegian and still detest this sectarian rubbish.

[@deltanovember1672]

We’re stuck with it for the time being. Must admit though mate, it’s a lot better than it was when I was younger.

[@Mrz-sb1hw]

@@Kmc-r7t when l grew up in Scotland l never encountered any real sectarism apart from the walks. Nobody where l stayed bothered about it as far as I could see.

[@stevenmclucas1894]

They need to stop having separate schools imho, this would go a long way to alleviating sectarianism imho.

[@brianconnelly7823]

As a Glaswegian myself I agree, it's stupid.

[@MrLewyboy]

@@Mrz-sb1hw did you grow up in the west of Scotland

[@kirriereoch]

Coming from the west of Scotland and having spent time in Northern Ireland it could be summarised that in Scotland saying you are Scottish is actually something unionists and nationalists have in common. In Northern Ireland’s saying you are Irish is actually what divides unionists and nationalist.

[@itzskizzyk5472]

unionists/loyalists call themselves british not scottish to be fair

[@kirriereoch]

@@itzskizzyk5472 That´s an interesting and reasonable point. That said, the last couple of censuses have those saying "British Only" at only 13% while "Scottish only" is over 60% with "Scottish and British at 20%" while the rest are "English only" or other combinations.of nationalities.

[@chucklessavini1778]

​@@itzskizzyk5472 True.

[@Jonna-vm2wd]

@@itzskizzyk5472 They say both. Some republicans call them Irish, but no listens to those clowns.

[@officialdassi1645]

@@itzskizzyk5472I think most people from Scotland would describe themselves as Scottish even if they are pro-union, we hate the English but its more like having an older brother your not that fond of end of the day we’re family

[@alansmithee8831]

Hello Hilbert. Very interesting. I remember having to watch for parcels and check under the car as a kid. There were places I had to know not to hang around, because of my dad's job making us potential targets. Different times.

[@mrmervinjminky1536]

Scotland is named after the Irish ‘Scoti’ tribe of Gaels who invaded Scotland…the Highland Clearances wiped out half of Scotland's Catholic population…Robert the Bruce’s brother invaded Ireland to help our Irish Gael brothers and sisters free themselves from English chains but were unsuccessful as among other things, the Irish fought alongside the English…Dundee United used to be called Dundee ‘Hibernian’ (Roman name for Ireland)…1/4 of modern Scots have Irish ancestry…James Connolly was Scottish… St Columbu brought Christianity to Scotland…the Kingdom of Dalriada incorporated both parts of Ireland and Scotland… Irishmen fought alongside Scottish Highlanders during the Jacobite rebellions including the Battle of Culloden… etc etc my point is, history is complicated 😂🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🤝🇮🇪❤️

[@Hsalf904]

@@mrmervinjminky1536 True except there’s no evidence that the Scoti “invaded” Scotland

[@rhyancudor]

@@Hsalf904 Dal Riada is actually quite well documented.

[@El_Lanf]

The highland clearances wiped out HALF of Scotland's population? Got any sources on that because whilst the Highland's population noticably dropped, the Lowlands as far as I can tell continued to grow (likely many people moved from highlands to lowlands) and was always where the Lion's share of the population was anyway. In the first national census in 1801, Scotland had a population of approx 1.6m. This is likely about double where it was 200 years prior. The significance of the Lowlands is always vastly overlooked IMO as people write it off as being a bit too English and settled down and prefer to romanticise about highlanders waltzing about with their Claymores (never mind all the rampant violence and raids).

[@mrmervinjminky1536]

@@El_Lanf Sorry buddy, I see my mistake now so Ive edited it. I meant "Highland Clearances wiped out half of Scotland Catholic population". Totally agree about the 'Lowland Clearances', Tam Devine's book 'Clearances' on the subject is a fantastic read 👍

[@OntarioBearHunter]

​@El_Lanf my grandfather pissed off his family by marrying my Glasgow grandmother... my cousin pissed off everyone by marrying a Catholic.

[@tadsklallamn8v]

The Appalachians and Scottish highlands are from the same ancient Mountain range, split apart via plate tectonics

[@thevis5465]

yes we know, americans keep trying to find the most tenuous connections to scotland to be percieved as Scots, we dont see you as Scottish. You're just American.

[@RickPop85]

true

[@palaven4048]

@@thevis5465 I'm pretty sure he was just stating an interesting fact, maybe try knocking that chip off your shoulder buddy.

[@Patricia-gn5bi]

​​@@thevis5465 the original European settlers of the Appallachian region were Scots-Irish from Ulster. Their descendants refer to themselves as Scots-Irish, not just Scots. If you read Thomas Sewell's book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" he explains the impact of the Scots Irish to this day on aspects of U S culture - some of it quite negative.

[@ben8147]

@@thevis5465 it's more nifty than anything else. The tenuous connection is the massive Scotch-Irish population, which is particularly large in the Appalachians. They're obviously not really Scotts at this point, but they used to be, which means something.

[@1nikg]

I was a catholic growing up in a protestant/loyalist town on west coast of Scotland. I can tell you yes it did affect Scotland 😅

[@Jrmofficial7067]

I feel you, grew up in Ayrshire and dealt with a hell of a lot of sectarianism

[@brianmurray7117]

same with me it did and still does to an extent

[@brianmurray7117]

@@Jrmofficial7067 me too ayrshire outside Glasgow was and still is one of the worst places for sectarianism i have hade it too many times orange walks stopping outside your house bigoted police and council workers ,still get it onlya few weeks ago i was asked where i was born i said the hospital no she meant what country even though my accent is clearly Scottish

[@andrewrobertson3737]

West Lothian same here.

[@williamsmith8097]

The Scottish and Irish people are genetically the same people... divided by the bullshit of religion.

[@sergegirard864]

0:15 c u n t ? Aside from the word at 0:15 that could be explained or edited, good video. Instructive and interesting. Cheers.

[@Dorgpoop]

He's not wrong, the troubles were full of cunts

[@outshin3d495]

C U N T

[@CommissarTails]

lol I had to do a double take when I heard it too

[@AssdMusicChannel]

@@tedcrilly46 I see why you're still at craggy island!

[@solinvictus7582]

COONT

[@SpringsteenRecordings]

0:15 was so random lol

[@mcswordfish]

After the embarrassingly bad attempted Islamic terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport a few years ago, Frankie Boyle remarked "Trying to being Holy War to Glasgow? We're 300 6eara ahead of you. You haven't even got your own football team yet"

[@Ry2030risenow]

Billy connelly

[@thegael1996]

The UVF. UDA and Red Hand Commando all had "Scottish Brigades" right up until the 2000s through out Scotland, their primary function was fund raising such as armed robberies and supplying weapons and explosives.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Yet no mention of iRA fundraising in Scotland?

[@thegael1996]

@@geordiewishart1683 There was IRA and INLA fundraising but they weren't as large or structurally organised as the loyalists.

[@humdunkin328]

@@thegael1996 not really true, especially not during the revolutionary period of the 1910s and 20s. literally all of the dynamite in the easter rebellion was sourced from irish scot lanarkshire miners. and it was led by james connolly and had 3 or 4 other scottish born irish rebels

[@thegael1996]

@@humdunkin328 Yeah that was the 20s but we're talking about 1969 onwards.

[@risinggael1685]

​@@thegael1996 I'd say that was because it was far more lucrative to raise funds in the US so better to concentrate their efforts their...

[@ac1d290]

another point to add to the legitimate impact these events have affected daily life, you will find 90% of pubs in Scotland will refuse you entry when wearing any football colours

[@brianmurray7117]

that now is mainly true but there still are some pubs that are of a sectarian nature here in various towns in ayrshire especially my home town it has union flags round it allow thankfully it is the only one now

[@jos9116]

Everyone should watch this, it’s so informative, and this is something we all should understand

[@sammorrow7007]

The real reasons why the troubles never came here....glasgow funded both sides of the troubles...

[@hmu05366]

What?

[@Wrtp.]

100% correct.

[@deebhoymcw2120]

Exactly

[@Alifyabas]

As did our government

[@ragingstauner6109]

​@hmu05366 In certain pubs, a money tin would be passed around to support "the cause" and the peer pressure to donate was immense.

[@Hatypus]

9:40 To be fair, it *is* a little more complicated than that, with how England had been maneuvering for decades to compromise the Scottish economy. (Refusing to have the Navy protect Scottish ships from pirates and privateers for example).

[@flintlockbeithir4823]

Privateers were English

[@SteveK-vl7xo]

I grew up in south Ayrshire in the 70s, sectarianism and sectarian violence was very much present there, then. It didn't escalate to the levels seen in NI, but to my mind that was probably because there wasn't the governmental discrimination against Catholics that stoked the initial civil rights demonstrations across the water.

[@markdavidson9743]

In the 60s if you went for a job and was asked which school you went to, if you didn't go to the right school you didn't get the job - for example catholic sounding name or went to a Catholic school. Obviously you didn't get out the house much. And I'm a protestant.

[@brianmurray7117]

i too grew upin Ayrshire north Ayrshire and sectarianism was rampant in most towns even weapon smuggling letter bombs being posted and sent to certain people and there is still some decrimiation around today especially within the council yes council even though it is illegal some still do it like what school did you go to answer just a school sorry but it is still there

[@brianmurray7117]

@@markdavidson9743 yeah my mum was asked frequently what school she went to in the 1960s and so was i in the 80s to this day

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

@@markdavidson9743 "Spelling your name wrong" is still, to this day, something that'll get you turned away from a job.

[@dublindave78]

@@markdavidson9743 . I think SteveK meant OFFICIAL government policy of discrimination, which was the case in NI. Obviously there was the hidden 'what school did ye go to' stuff, but it couldn't have been as big an issue compared to NI in the 60s. Incidentally, the only case of local government policy discrimination in Scotland i'm aware of was Monklandsgate, where catholics were favoured for jobs: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monklandsgate

[@jordanchristie3801]

Awesome video as always

[@eileenmolyneaux1043]

Just a small point,in 1921 protestants enjoyed a majority in 4 of the 6 counties up North and marginally in one of them Armagh,whilst Catholics have always been in the majority in Tyrone and Fermanagh plus the city of Armagh and newer city of Newry-protestants being the majority in the newer cities of Lisburn and Bangor.Great video BDW.

[@copeandseethe9279]

As someone from the west of Scotland, absolutely yes.

[@the-blue-barron2791]

not really

[@kevinkevin-ug9po]

​@@the-blue-barron2791 Said the blue barron???

[@the-blue-barron2791]

@@kevinkevin-ug9po yes said the blue barron

[@ThomasDonnelly1888]

There was also no war in Scotland in the early half of the 20th century that ended in a messy way, leading to unresolved tensions.

[@davidsoulsby1102]

There was only terrorism until Ireland became independent in the 1920s. Then they decide to kill each other in a civil war, and not against the British but fellow Irishmen, a power struggle .... It makes you wonder who are the real power hungry people. The new Republic had to ask the UK for help with IRA terror gangs... Ironic, and kept very quiet by those Irish nationalists.... Blame the Brits....

[@cantbanme8971]

Pretty much the crux of it, the circumstances that lead to Scotland being part of the UK we're completely different.

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

@@cantbanme8971 This is a major thing that a lot of people forget. Scotland was a willing partner in the Union, but Wales and Ireland were conquered by the English and forced into it.

[@cantbanme8971]

​@@dungeonsanddobbers2683 It's a bit to simplistic to say Scotland was a "willing partner", or at least willing should be qualified with not necessarily meaning enthusastic. There were a number of complex circumstances which led to Scotland having little choice but to accept the act of union, and attitudes towards it would have varied wildly accross religious, class, geographical and political lines. No country is a monolith after all and this is particularly true of the nations of the British isles during the tumultuous 16th and 17th centuries. But yes it's also not correct to say Scotland was conquered or colonised by England/Britain in the same manner Ireland and to some extent Wales were.

[@bristoled93]

@@dungeonsanddobbers2683 England was not a willing partner either, most English only got the vote after WW1.

[@faithlesshound5621]

I suspect that in Glasgow and the West of Scotland, the religious divide (insofar as there is one) overlaps with the class divide. I remember that in 1991 the protestant chaplain at Barlinnie Prison remarked that most of the prisoners were Roman Catholic. That was briefly a sensation in the newspapers, but quickly settled, probably because those with access to the statistics were all civil servants and were told to keep their mouths shut.

[@leemorrow9575]

While working for customs I recall the methods of targeting personal of interest, Ive applied this to when i was young and the jocks that use to visit during loyalist seasons from Jockland, how were these people able to travel given most of them had criminal records as participants to activities during times of civil war (say it as it is) my only conclusion, it was encouraged.

[@globaltraveller]

The Scots, like the Irish are a mix of Norman, Celt, Viking, Saxon. So many Scots moved to the north of Ireland in the 17th and 18th Century and then were forced to leave for North America. The “Irish” backbone of large parts of the US, such as Appalachia and the South is actually Scottish.

[@tonymurray814]

Hence the hypocritical so called evangelists and racists we suffer with to this day. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree!!

[@TheLastAngryMan01]

They used the moniker “Scots-Irish” in the US and Canada to distinguish themselves from the majority ethnic population of Ireland.

[@globaltraveller]

@@TheLastAngryMan01 only relatively recently. Many of those considered themselves and still continue to consider themselves Irish. Which not much of the story.

[@martindennehy3030]

There was never any Saxons in Ireland.

[@TheJpf79]

Did you google that yourself?

[@TheJpf79]

There was no bombs or guns, there was plenty fists and knives, I was just a kid growing up in Scotland went to a segregated Catholic school, 95% of the slur words I know were shouted at me for having Irish heritage. You say there was "Growing sectarianism" in Scotland during the troubles, you must have missed the razor gangs in the 1920's the chant of one of them "Up to our knees in Fenian blood" This was long before "The troubles" Perhaps if you want to know about what Scotland was like at the time you could ask people who lived here rather than just make it up yourself?

[@Kmc-r7t]

There was a riot in the early 1920's in Glasgow. The Free Staters were attacking the police, my great granny at the time got an award for preventing a knocked out policeman being thrown into the Clyde. She was 5 foot nothing, a Catholic and she attacked the big Irish republicans preventing a murder. It was people like those who happily called themselves Fenians. That's were the song originates. Don't play the victim

[@jimsweep9291]

When I moved to London years ago I met Glasgow lads from the Gorbals the were a lot older than me back in the 90s and the were from Irish background and the stories that the told me about the 60/70/80 in Glasgow was crazy bro, I'm back home now in Ireland and my country is fast becoming a ghetto because of immigrants coming from the middle east and Africa countries, and it's getting worse each week

[@danielfreeley5217]

make your own video! i'm sure yours would be alot better than this.

[@TheJpf79]

@@danielfreeley5217 It's not my fault that you are ignorant.

[@danielfreeley5217]

@@TheJpf79 i think a good 99% of the world would be ignorant of growing up as a n irish catholic in scotland during the troubles. It's a pretty niche experience, why dont you make a better video.

[@papi8659]

Really interesting that Irish people see the 'troubles' as the Irish fighting the British state/imperialism whereas non Irish media have been trained to see it as an internal domestic sectarian problem

[@MrToymaster1]

Especially considering the Irish military considered invading during the troubles

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

@@MrToymaster1 They didn’t, the Irish military worked in cooperation with the British military The reason we don’t hear of Irish involvement is because the IRA for obvious reasons wouldn’t gun down Irish soldiers at checkpoints (who were easily identifiable as they weren’t wearing tartan 😂)

[@MrToymaster1]

@@Somerandomdrummer8 Tell that to the Irish then (kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGbChHVrd6inZ9ksi=pnPjrvJuq8jw-iqA)

[@MrToymaster1]

@@Somerandomdrummer8 Exercise Armageddon

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

@@MrToymaster1 I didn’t know of this. Lmao good thing the Irish military came to its senses lest the full of NATO be deployed to Eire 😂

[@TheJonnyjoh]

00:12 "[...] soon resulted in cont..." took me a second to recover from my shock xD

[@rocksandforestquiver959]

Next can we get one about how they affected Canada? While we weren't directly involved for the most part, both the IRA and the Orange Order did a significant amount of fundraising and campaigning/ lobbying in Canada, and the Troubles were paralleled in Canada by the Anglo-Franco divide and general Catholic-Protestant rivalries. Check out the song "House of Orange" by Stan Rogers ;)

[@noodlyappendage6729]

Thank you for the comment. Very interesting. The OO used to be big in Canada. It has faded away now but they are starting to have a bit of a resurgence. Many Canadians are not happy with the change of pace in Canada so they have gone back to their roots. Whether that is through joining the OO or flying the old Canadian Red Ensign.

[@rocksandforestquiver959]

@@noodlyappendage6729 Yeah the wars were not good for the order, nor were postwar welfare states. I think that lodges/ similar organizations should and will see a resurgence, be it the OO or not. I own multiple Red Ensigns and of course a Union Flag, which I hold very much as an important Canadian symbol.

[@HweolRidda]

Without going into detail, Canadian confederation was driven in part by the threat posed by Irish nationalists in the USA, who had been trained and armed during the American Civil War. When that war was over the nationalists thought they could take a kick at Britain by attacking the British North American colonies.

[@tullyDT]

@@rocksandforestquiver959 Why would you want the resurgence of a group that is and always has been about promoting sectarianism? The OO was founded for the express purpose of intimidating Catholics and preventing Catholic emancipation

[@AmyMadelineParnell]

​@@rocksandforestquiver959The Orange Order is dying, most of its members are over the age of 60.

[@KatyBeaman]

This is really informative

[@willmc9612]

You only need to hear an Ulsterman speak to understand the close connection between Northern Ireland and Scotland. “Aye”, “wee”, “Auld” instead of “Old”. These are the speech ways of the English-Scottish border region. Scots language words. Archaic old English.

[@captainteeling7002]

I live in North Connacht and we use all them words, wee ( small) aye (yes) auld ,reek ( smoke) rid out ( clean out) brae ( hills)

[@berniv7375]

Or is it English leid wurds frae auld Scots.

[@captainteeling7002]

@@berniv7375 ye cannae be sure

[@Sabhail_ar_Alba]

A better way to tell are the surnames.

[@chiefgilray]

'norn iron'... Its not Scottish, not even close! They want to be Scottish because they hate being Irish!

[@argononyanegroid]

Great content God bless you

[@Kmc1qlAq8Dt6tpVC]

This is funny. I've literally just come back from Northern Ireland and Scotland and read a book about this. The UVF very much did have a "Scottish Brigade". There's a mural dedicated to them down the Shankhill Road. A lot of volunteers for the UVF and other loyalist groups in the troubles came over from Scotland to help their fellow Scots There were real concerns after the 1971 murders that there would be an insurgency in Scotland. As to why the IRA never really attacked Scotland, it's probably a combination of the fact the catholic population there was more influential than in England, and the British Government would be less bothered about attacks in scotland than in england where parliament and most of the country's economic life was and is based. Northern Ireland, at least the protestant parts of it, are almost basically an extension of Scotland, I know English settlers did settle Ulster but their influence really is minimal. You never see English flags flying in loyalist areas of NI, but you'll see Scottish flags everywhere. It's only really the west of Scotland which has sectarian issues. England has a north/south divide, for Scotland its east-west. It's the west which was originally Gaelic, and obviously closest to Ireland. The Orange Order do or at least did have a lodge in Liverpool, another city which had a huge influx of Irish Catholic immigrants around the late 1800s

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

Loyalist Northern Ireland can best be summed up as an extension of Scotland, and funnily enough Catholic Scotland can best be summed up as an extension of Ireland All of this hassle would be easier if we all just went home 😂

[@willmc9612]

The west of Scotland was not originally Gaelic. It was originally British, like the rest of Britain. We know this because the Roman historian Tacitus names the people living above the Solway firth (west of Scotland) as the “Britons of Caledonia”, not Gaels.

[@johnmackenreillytag]

Another informative and interesting video, maith an fear!

[@thedarkthird1474]

The Scottish Troubles, or, Sauchiehall Street on Old Firm Day

[@flhxri]

My ancestors lived in the outer Hebrides. They were Catholic and were forced out in the clearances in the 1840's. They went to Canada and then the US.

[@Gregsmith-k7m]

Dundee FC and Dundee United are also protestant and catholic traditionally. With United originally being called Dundee Hibernian

[@unusedsub3003]

That is loooong forgotten. Their fans come together if Celtic or Rangers are in town.

[@Shendersonsports3003]

Yes, but sectarianism has never been a major issue in Dundee. At least not in the last 50 years or so. Most fans don't even view the teams as religious and haven't for a long time

[@RW-nr6bh]

​@@unusedsub3003 Indeed, Jim McLean turned down the Rangers job because they still had a No Catholics policy. He told them that Protestants and Catholics played together without any issues at Dundee United. It would be Souness who finally got Rangers to change.

[@unusedsub3003]

@@RW-nr6bh Jim McLean was a proper man. Didn’t take any sh¡+ from the BBC🤬👊👊👊😂🤣😂🤣.I’m English, but I absolutely loved his 1980s Dundee United side. The night they beat Barça 2-1 at the Nou Camp is one of my favourite nights as a football fan.

[@brianmurray7117]

@@Shendersonsports3003 Dundee united where two catholic teams Dundee harp and hibernians then joined up in 1910 it now for decades has no real religious links

[@drandrewallan]

When I was growing up I lived in Stranraer, where many Northern Irish came to shop in relative peace. I remember two bomb scares when my school and a local supermarket were evacuated!

[@RainXbox]

Northern Irish person here. I deeply love Scotland and I am descendant from the planters. to be honest in my experience Glasgow is worse for sectarianism than Belfast is now. Everywhere else on Scotland is fine but Glasgow is the unfortunate outlier. I despise this religious and cultural divide in NI as well

[@mango_tree6133]

It's because of the football the extreme fans take it way to far

[@Alifyabas]

Like yourself I love ireland. With friends in Ballymena and Belfast Ive loved spending time there. My gran being feom Kerry before moving to Scotland in the 1930s. Believe it or not the hatred is not just glasgow its all over. Id been brought up near Musselburgh, there are masses of rangers and celtic supporters all over Eastern Scotland with regular bus loads traveling for the football. Id been a hibernian supporter as my fathers uncle played for the team in the 50s at the time of the famous five. We now live near Aviemore and have seen busses of orange bands leaving not to many weeks ago traveling for the Belfast Marches. To be honest it disgusts me. There had been tri colour flags at Hibs matches in the 80/90s but not many now. The prod aand Catholic problems are as prominent with hibs and hearts as they are with the glasgow teams. The papers aand government say there is no longer problems. I can say absolute bullsh*t, it's still there just not as advertised

[@markordynamics376]

Glasgow should be its state, least Scottish place in Scotland. Green v blue where no one actually knows the history bar the drip fed idoligy from there side.

[@brianmurray7117]

actually here in Ayrshire is still pretty bad to some extent

[@traceys8065]

So do I. I'm a Glaswegian Catholic and I hate the divide.

[@johnwatkin9548]

Ha! "Smuckled." Nice one ouwe 👌😆 I speak a fair bit of Dunglish myself so it's nice to see the language alive and well 😉Anyway all hilarity aside, very interesting topic, subbed and looking forward to seeing more. Greetings from 020 😎

[@thehighlander6770]

I'd love if we can get a dedicated video about the Irish Catholic Confederation. It's so unknown.

[@Sir_Rioghain]

I second this request

[@Shendersonsports3003]

The troubles never officially affected Scotland, but there was plenty of spillover. Violence still broke out, communities were still divided and while this is all concentrated in the south-west; there's also still political division in Glasgow, Ayrshire, etc. It might not have been as bad as the scenes in N.I. but that doesn't mean it wasn't present

[@georgeaye7535]

West Lothian

[@Jim54_]

When talking about modern Ireland, one thing that needs to be mentioned was how a Protestant Irish Parliament successfully gained independence for Ireland between 1782 and 1800, during which time Catholics got most of their rights back, with most Irish people of different faiths uniting under the ideologies of either constitutionalism or Republicanism, with both in favour of varying degrees of Irish sovereignty/autonomy and increased personal rights. This independence ended when a failed Republican Revolution in 1798 led British prime minister William Pitt to intimidate and bribe the Irish Parliament into merging the Kingdom Ireland into the UK after an initial Union vote failed. Ireland’s Parliament was forced to merge with The British one (though the courts and civil service of Ireland remained separate, but nominally subject to Westminster from now on). People on both sides seem to have completely forgotten this chapter in Irish history, because Protestants and Catholics fighting together for an independent Irish Kingdom doesn’t fit anyone’s narrative, and yet it had a major impact on the island. Unionism, Republicanism and Constitutionalism all originate from the original Irish volunteers that used the opportunity of the American Revolution distracting Britain to revolt in 1782. This heralded the independence and has shaped all aspects of Irish politics ever since

[@woahhbro2906]

I have my relatives immigration papers when they moved to the US from Ireland. They came to Chicago in 1849. He looked at the potato yield and said 'yah nah, mate'.

[@michaelcowie2151]

My grandad was the first Catholic letting agent in Glasgow. That was the 1960s, almost difficult to believe! My mum told me that Catholics and Jews in the Southside became intwined because of persecution. Now, in Glasgow, it seems that the Southside is still a fairly safe haven, given that many Muslims stay there and seem to be persecuted. I really hate the idea of the Anglican thing in Ireland. Ireland is always one!

[@faithlesshound5621]

That compulsion to keep the Catholics down is (or was) more of a Glasgow/West of Scotland thing. I noticed at university in Edinburgh, the Scots would find out whether you had gone to a Corporation (state) school or a Merchant Company (private) one, since that was the main social divide. Later in Glasgow, young professionals would work out whether you were Catholic (your school was St Something) or Protestant in background. Not religion as such: we were mostly Catholic Atheists or Protestant Atheists.

[@sheronasims6783]

@michaelcowie2151 my dad was from Peterculter Aberdeenshire. 1st catholics moved there in 1950s. And were seen as exotic lol. Northeast scotland has never had time for this. Tbey tried an orange walk in aberdeen about 20 years ago. Whole street turned their back to them.

[@paulohagan3309]

@@faithlesshound5621 Wow. Just like in the Six Counties, even if a person stops practising a religion the sectarianism is still there. Got to hand it to the Protestants; for people who claim to follow a God of love many of them seem to enjoy spreading or keeping up the hatreds of the 16th Century.

[@faithlesshound5621]

@@paulohagan3309 The catholic atheist/ proddy atheist thing is mainly a joke. With the disappearance of marriage it is ceasing to be a thing since you don't label your kids at a church in infancy.

[@paulohagan3309]

@@faithlesshound5621 I hope you're right. One of my father's friends was an atheist ...

[@quincym-e4680]

I was in the army cadets in the 90s we always had have our uniform covered coming and going from the TA base

[@mappingshaman5280]

Its funny that the IRA only targeted england despite the people whom settled northern ireland being called the ulster scots for a reason, and them being settled there by king james VI of scotland.

[@stiofain88]

Complaints are directed at the manager. Not customer service.

[@mappingshaman5280]

@stiofain88 but the managers whom colonised northern ireland were Scottish not English. James VI was the manager and he was Scottish.

[@stiofain88]

@@mappingshaman5280 Weird how they celebrate his demise at the hands of some Dutch lad every year so. Don't ask me why, we think you're all out of your minds.

[@MrToymaster1]

@@stiofain88 That’s was James VII, not James VI

[@MrToymaster1]

@@stiofain88 By 1720; the majority of Ulster’s population was Scottish Protestant In 1600 it had been majority Irish catholic. Scotland plays more a role in the creation of Northern Ireland than England ever did. Hell; it was reflected on the old northern Irish coat of arms which had the Scottish unicorn on it to represent the influence of Scotland. Most people in NI have Scottish ancestry

[@barryhamilton7845]

Many of us Scots have Irish family. Where im from ,most people have relations from Donegal,Letterkenny,and the Northwest.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪

[@weeroger7048]

Alot of guys in harland and wolfe working were scots at partition Cetic and rangers was going on over there

[@seanshure]

Bit sad to see Dundee didn't get a mention, it had more irish catholics per capita than Glasgow and Liverpool by the early 20th centuary I think, But has never had an orange order. The history here adds a funny perspective to the secterian divide especially compared to Glasgow

[@deanstuart8012]

The no under 18s rule only applied to Northern Ireland. 17 year old servicemen were still being killed in the Falklands (1982) and Gulf War I (1991).

[@davidsoulsby1102]

No they were not, you have read too much leftist propaganda. Its against the law for any under 18 to go to combat arenas. Every story you will read will tell you any 17 year old who was deployed in error was either confined to camp or preferably sent straight home to the UK. None were killed or seen active service. Bullshit is bullshit and you are full of it....

[@SuperFunkmachine]

That was introduced, the early years had some, in the 1971 Scottish soldiers' killings John McCaig was only 17.

[@garymcatear822]

No they weren't...my older brother was 17 and was not allowed to go fight in the Falklands because he was not yet 18. All this nonsense about 17 year old being killed in battle here and there is total bullsheit.

[@deanstuart8012]

@@garymcatear822 Privates Ian Scrivens and Jason Burt both KIA on Mount Longdon 12th June 1982, aged 17. Private Neil Grose was also killed - he celebrated his 18th birthday the day before the battle. Fusilier Conrad Cole killed in a friendly fire incident during the first Gulf War on 26th February 1991, aged 17.

[@garymcatear822]

@@deanstuart8012 Well my brother has been hard done by. Perhaps it was a Scottish law thing that stopped him being sent. Scotland does have independant laws from the rest of the UK.

[@GordonDonaldson-v1c]

Supposedly, the IRA had a bomb-making factory in Central Scotland, near where i live. There was a trial, but the whole business appeared very suspicious to me.

[@AyubuKK]

*Bagpipes and accordions intensifies*

[@ianholmes1468]

There was support and money sent from Scotland , for both sides

[@Puffball-ll1ly]

Divide and conquer oldest trick in the book

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

Yeah Scotland did it very well, especially in Ireland

[@EannaWithAFada]

These protestnt scotsmen where then settled in the northern part of Ireland, displacing the Irish Catholics who had lived there before and they set up their own towns and institutions *shows a map of Galway*

[@thelastdruidofscotland]

james plantations put a cultural divide between the two nations, further immigration during the next 300 years completed it, these two nations, once close allies, are as far apart today, than they have ever been

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

Scotland and Ireland were never close allies

[@tivvy-xf4kz]

Born in the west of Scotland in 1947. As a youngster until our family moved in the sixties we never had any problems. I had some catholic friends and we just went to different schools and met up in the evenings/weekends. We lived on a then modern housing estate so we were probably a bit more mixed than if we had still been in the old tenements. Anyway we all got on ok and there was the marching Orange season but, as far as I know, it certainly didn't cause us any problems.??

[@shredderly]

Kinda weird you can join the army and kill at 17 but you have to be 18 to play a violent video game.

[@matthewkendall8592]

17 Year Olds can't serve abroad anymore after 2 Scottish teenagers were murdered during the troubles but your point still stands

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

@@matthewkendall8592 Well, they can, just not in combat. If a 17 year old has joined their regiment and they're due to be posted somewhere like the Falklands or Cyprus, as long as their 18th birthday falls closer to the start of the deployment than the end, they'll probably go with them.

[@Goalie002]

@@matthewkendall8592 That rule was specific to Northern Ireland only. 17 year olds could go serve on operations outside of the UK, at least 2 were killed in the Falklands

[@alanwhite7127]

joined at 16

[@garymcatear822]

My brother 4 months away from being 18 years old, he completed his military training at 17 but when the Falkland thing kicked off he wasn't allowed to go fight because he was still only 17...you are not allowed to fight in battlefields with the British army until you're 18.

[@marcbaigrie2295]

There was. They didn’t call it genocide then either. They just starved our ancestors.

[@thomsboys77]

Who? 😂

[@LongLiveRockAnRoll]

There's a few football fans who think/wish they were still going on 😬

[@yodorob]

Another city besides Glasgow that at least used to have a strong Orange Order presence is Toronto, 6 hours down the road from Montreal, where I am. Back in the day, Toronto was the Belfast of North America. In general, Canada has had a very strong Scottish presence, including right here in Montreal (and certainly in Nova Scotia/Prince Edward Island and in eastern Ontario).

[@lumitytim]

Rangers died in 2012

[@MadKieranM]

Living in your head. Obsessed.

[@scotoftheanarchic.7903]

Cheats that they are.

[@AmyMadelineParnell]

@@MadKieranM The Gers are a thing of the past, they always bottle it against Celtic.

[@miamha]

No even Hilbert is safe frae the sellick das lmao

[@briangardiner3520]

So did your wee brain.

[@iJamb0]

You're wrong about the divide being seen in Edinburgh between Hibs and Hearts. I'd say both teams hate one of the Glasgow lot more than we hate the other.

[@duncancallum]

You are right there Jambo , my brother in law was a Hearts supporter and i a Hibs supporter both of us were Presbyterian and no problems and half my mates were Catholics we in the East had better things to do than that lot from the West they pissed us folks in the East off with the shit that they brought to Edinburgh when they played one of us .

[@jasonladd6400]

I'm a Scots Catholic with no Irish heritage, my ancestry came from the West Highland clans who avoided conversion to Knox's extreme dogma aka Presbyterianism. I support Irish reunification only because I dislike loyalists.

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

I support Irish unification because I’m a proud Irish-Scot I oppose Scottish independence, because I’m a proud Irish-Scot, and those saltire waving orange bastards can’t be trusted

[@MrSchizoid405]

If your ancestors come from the west highlands you very likely have Irish ancestry if you go back far enough.

[@Tranxhead]

I work as a civil servant in Scotland. I remember hearing a story of how Northern Irish colleagues were moved here during the Troubles years ago because of the risk to them because of their jobs. There are wild stories from veterans in the family too.

[@ProfileP246]

No sure the Gerry Adams of the IRA said they would never unleash their aggression on Scottish citizens.

[@davidsoulsby1102]

He didn't, They didn't even say they wouldn't kill Irish people, including children.....

[@rymic72]

Gerry was a Shinner and not in the RA

[@rymic72]

Now he just makes cookbooks

[@runningcommentary2125]

@@aligindahouse7777 And quite a few of that British side were Scottish.

[@hugh-hoof-hearts4360]

@@aligindahouse7777bullsiht

[@andrewsmith-cm9qw]

When I was a kid in Glasgow it used to be said that in Ireland there doing it for real and in Scotland we are just playing at it.

[@wizlon6757]

Before I start watching this I can already feel that this would be a most definite 'Het Wilhelmus' episode.

[@wizlon6757]

Or not...😐

[@somthingbrutal]

in the 90's one of my local pubs was at the centre of a gun running operation for the UVF until it got raided by the police.

[@hlsailorhlsailor9838]

I am a Yank that used to be stationed at the US submarine base at the Holy Loch on the Clyde not far from Glasgow. I was in Glasgow in one of the large council housing estates visiting a friend around 1977. My friend and I went to his local pub for a pint. As we got up to the bar, the bar maid came across the bar grabbing my bud by the collar and shoving her finger into my chest. She goes, "what is he doing with that on?" My bud replies, "it's okay, he's a Yank". She says, "well ok then" and buys us a beer. I was wearing a T-shirt my sister had bought me in the Virgin Islands that happened to be orange. That is when I learned about the symbolism of orange in the UK.

[@paulohagan3309]

I have republican sympathies and I say that's insane. If someone came in with the Irish Tricolour and its Orange bit or came in with a box of oranges would she have gone on the attack? Would she go crazy every time she sees a rainbow in the sky? [Pride week must be a minefield in Glasgow only for the colors alone] Some people need to get a grip of themselves. We should leave that kind of petty stupidity to the Loyalists. They're the experts in that.

[@hlsailorhlsailor9838]

I have no idea. I left Scotland in '91 when the sun base at the Holy Loch closed. Since my ex-wife is a Scot, I did keep in touch with family on the UK side of the pond. I believe that the sectarian rubbish has cooled as is the Celtic/Ranger thing has as well. I don't really know. I visited Scotland this past May, but just as a tourist. All my ex-'s family has passed away or moved to England or Canada. I do have another story. My US Navy buddy and I were in the Creggans Inn on Loch Fyne at Strachur way out in the countryside. We were quietly having a pint when three Scottish guys walked in. One of these dirtbags goes loud enough so anyone in the pub could hear it. "Smell the fresh air, not a Catholic in miles." My buddy replies, "I am Catholic, do you have a problem with that?" The loudmouth immediately started to back peddle and they only stayed for a single pint. Why I am not big as a Yank goes, I am still 5'11' and was 22 or so and could out run most of the Marines on my ship at the time. My buddy was a similar size at the time. These three city guys would not have known this, but the local Scots in the pub would have stood with us, not them. I am a right-ish wing guy. But I do not understand the hate with sectarianism or racism in my country. One thing serving in the military, especially in the close confines of a ship is that good people come in all different religions and colors.

[@joemck74]

Remember ASDA in a certain part of Glasgow had to change their logo from green to blue due to vandalism.

[@paulohagan3309]

@@joemck74 I have to say I never heard of anything so stupid even in that dump Belfast [and there is plenty of stupidity there].Did they have a war against the grass in the parks and lawns? Sometimes when I hear these stories about Glasgow it feels like they're trying to out-Belfast Belfast.

[@Johnyjohn600]

@@joemck74no they didn’t that’s was larkhall in Ayrshire not Glasgow

[@jos9116]

This was great. Could you do a quick one on how/if the troubles impacted on the Isle of Man? I have heard there were quite a few ira safehouses, but there was also a strong orange presence

[@garymacdonald7165]

Celtic and Hibernian (Green colours) are basically,Irish catholic refugee clubs!

[@Rydonattelo]

Repulsive rotten clubs.

[@MarcNeilson1]

@@Rydonattelo Rangers still will forever be the team with the worst fans in scottish football tbf

[@Rydonattelo]

@@MarcNeilson1 I've Been a Rangers fan since I could talk. Best fans on earth. We are the people 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

[@scotoftheanarchic.7903]

​@@Rydonattelopffff what's that even mean ? 🤡

[@jackietreehorn5561]

Ok cranky fan dabbie dozy

[@brianeleighton]

They somewhat did. It was a large part of the basis for the fiercest Derbies in Scotland between Celtic and Rangers.

[@jerrymyphone5849]

The main reason for the violence not crossing the Irish sea was the fact that generally speaking in Glasgow unlike Belfast there was no exclusive Catholic or protestant ghettos most people live side by side and although they may differ on who the 'good guys' are in Ulster they generally respect their neighbours

[@brianmurray7117]

what about Bridgeton then

[@jerrymyphone5849]

@@brianmurray7117 Mostly protestant but my dad was born and raised in Bridgeton big Irish Catholic family in fact the sacred heart church there was one of the biggest parishes in Glasgow.

[@dungeonsanddobbers2683]

Say you've never been to Glasgow or the west of Scotland without saying it.

[@solosunbeam]

When I was growing up the 90s there was definitely still a lot of bigotry, but as I usually always find myself as the only Catholic in the room, I must say it was mostly banter and very rarely got serious. That being said I am from the East coast of Scotland. The only time it got a bit scary was when I went with some friends to a party in a village called Harthill which felt like I was in Northern Ireland.

[@paddymeboy]

This question is based on a delusion of Scottish history. Ireland was colonised by the British (not just the English!). Scotland voluntarily joined a Union.

[@cameracranescotland7085]

No wrong. Try again .

[@salihudintaiwo4205]

Scotland was colonised too. Much like Ireland, Scotland had Gaels and Scots, the English used the latter to gain a foothold in both. I assure you the Gaels of Scotland fought tough and nail not to become a colony of the English.

[@ryanl5129]

​@@salihudintaiwo4205they've never been a colony, it was a Scottish Monarch which United the crowns

[@salihudintaiwo4205]

@@ryanl5129 if you are talking of James IV & 1st, you are mistaken the Union happened over a hundered years later. You neglect to remember Robert the Bruce freed Scotland from English rule 3-4 hundred years before that. By your reasoning Morroco willingly accepted French rule.

[@ryanl5129]

@@salihudintaiwo4205 the union of the crowns was in 1603, if Scotland was colonised, why would the English waste their time with that.

[@TrishSzymanskiArtist]

That came out of left field and thank you very much. And this is a topic that I didn't know I needed to know.

[@amaccama3267]

Speaking of football. You might find it interesting to check out Australian soccer. Which had a big problem with clubs following ethnic links.

[@iainjohnston788]

Scotland, a dark little country ruled by sectarianism- I’m Scottish btw .

[@davidsoulsby1102]

The West of Scotland being close to Ireland was because the Irish colonised the West of Scotland, they pushed out or killed the area. This happend prior to 600AD

[@noodlyappendage6729]

The Irish also colonised England and Wales. But those colonies weren't as successful. Funny how things go round in circles.

[@jackietreehorn5561]

​@@noodlyappendage6729bullshit that means setting up a government...the English near eradicated our language and culture and tried to anglicise our land

[@billygoatgruff3536]

​@@jackietreehorn5561 What do you think feudalism is?

[@Zveebo]

@@jackietreehorn5561The Irish tried to do the exact same thing to Scotland (where they had some success and Gaelic survives to this day, while native British does not) and England, where they failed. Stop imagining that the English and Scots arriving was something unique - both sides had been trying the same thing for about 1500 years.

[@noodlyappendage6729]

@@jackietreehorn5561 Pardon? What are you talking about? What means setting up a government? And no the English did not eradicate the Irish language. The Irish themselves eradicated their language.

[@edstercw]

I believe when Irish refugees from the Troubles moved to Glasgow the city council thought it was a good idea to house them together in the same streets.

[@pop000690]

Good video. There a chance of a video showing Wales's side of The Troubles?

[@jerrybarnes6611]

It's not a matter of what the side the Welsh or Scots took - it's a matter of what side did the Catholics of Britain take? Isn't it interesting that there is not one account of the Catholic church in England, Scotland or Wales coming out to say stop the killings of Catholics (well of all people really).. The fact is that Catholics in Britain were scared shitless that if they came out in support of their fellow religious that they would be branded "disloyal". And so it continues.

[@kevingladstone734]

Who else remembers The Cleland bar? Used to catch the supporters bus to Celtic Park there with my uncles. I was only 9 or 10 when the bombing happened. One of my upstairs neighbours got some minor injuries. Thankfully there was no escalation.

[@Rydonattelo]

Rangers vs Celtic. Enough said.

[@AmyMadelineParnell]

Religion doesn't play a big factor in the old firm anymore.

[@Rydonattelo]

@@AmyMadelineParnell Not hard to guess what foot you kick with. I bet my bottom dollar you're a communist these days instead of a Christian 😁

[@09weenic]

@@AmyMadelineParnellare you joking 😂

[@AmyMadelineParnell]

@@09weenic I'm not joking, just ask any Celtic or Rangers fan when was the last time they went to church.

[@SEGASaturnLad]

Would be interested to see one regarding Wales

[@alynwillams4297]

It didn’t affect Wales. The Irish and the Welsh looked at each other as conquered nations hence why no attacks happened in Wales with the Rise of the IRA. The IRA all so had links with Welsh terrorist groups FWA and MAC.

[@ryanlaird6447]

There is still quite a big sectarian divide in Scotland Places like Falkirk ayr Stirling is still quite bad for it

[@johnboyle9082]

- “When people are mean to Harvey what do we say?” - “Hello you 0:15”

[@malicant123]

It speaks volumes to the euphemistic ability of the Irish and the British that a soft civil war on Irish soil was referred to simply as "The Troubles". If we had had our way, WW2 would have been called "The Great Spot of Bother"

[@Andulsi]

WW2 was called "The Emergency" in Ireland 😂😂😂

[@jackietreehorn5561]

No comparison ww2 was the greatest attrococity in modern human history over 100 million died.... mostly civilians....troubles only 4000 killed

[@malicant123]

@@jackietreehorn5561 Wooosh

[@AmyMadelineParnell]

​@@AndulsiIt was called The Emergency because Ireland was in a state of emergency during the whole war.

[@AJ_real]

Well Scotland's in Britain, so at least they can say they're British. Northern Ireland? Forget it. It's about as British as Polar bears.

[@hiddend3455]

I'll never call myself British Always scottish hate I have to associate myself as British due to my passport.

[@tamasmarcuis4455]

My own experience comes from the years 2012 to 2014. I was living in Edinburgh. I am Jewish from Eastern Europe but the country I come from is almost entirely Catholic. What I heard and saw was attempts by the UK government campaign support for the so called Orange Order who in turn attempted to whip up sectarian anti Catholic feeling. I found out from my own Jewish sources that the Conservative Party and the Orange Order had long term links. At one time the memberships almost overlapping. In turn the Orange Order overlapped with fascist and racist groups. In the 1920s 30s 40s and 50s the Conservative Party used these groups to intimidate Catholic and the small number of Jewish voters away from polling places. I don't think it is by chance the areas where these groups had been most active in the past are also the areas with the highest pro independence vote. The Union Jack UK flag seems to be most commonly seen as a symbol carried by racist, neo nazi and protestant sectarian groups. Since I was in Glasgow the day after the referendum I witnessed these groups celebrating their anti independence narrow win by rampaging around central Glasgow threatening and attacking anyone seeming foreign or appearing to wear symbols of those they were hunting. After my meeting I was taken for a drink and snack at a bar in Dury Street. I was then meant to go for a train back to Edinburgh. A few people noted I was wearing a Kippah and suggested they accompany me to Queen Street. Apparently they felt being near George Square it would be unsafe. The British Nationalist, many from England and Northern Ireland were collecting there to attack the few independence supporters who had organised a rally to console each other over their disappointment. I grew up in the USSR and have often felt the UK government behaved at times in similar ways. My suspicion was a scene was being manufactured for the State Controlled broadcaster to film action they could portray as "violent Nationalst". What I saw was a small group of Scots face down a much larger group of mixed Ulster-English and Scottish skinhead thugs. The Police either struggling or not really trying to control this bunch of far right wannabes. The BBC did I later saw manage to create a few seconds and images they tried to portray as SNP fighting loyal British patriots. A bit of a damp sandwich though. What I think happened, was, these right wing racist and sectarian groups did not find the atmosphere in the city palatable. They felt out on a limb. They might have been recruited with the expectation they would be igniting a fire with plenty of kindling. But it just didn't exists in Glasgow. Many in power in London try to portray Glasgow as violent and full of religious bigots. It seems they believed their own propaganda. I don't think beyond a fraction of population even in Glasgow really ever was willing to act on religious animosity. However hard the wealthy and political connected tried to whip it up. With Catholics being such a small minority there just was never enough economic advantage to be dangled with the promise of getting a job because you were Protestant and not Catholic. There was always more gained by working class people supporting politics that promoted a fairer deal and conditions. The Conservatives had to promote bigotry to get people to vote against their own economic and social interest. Outside the few wealthy areas that clearly didn't work in Glasgow.

[@scomcg7950]

interesting perspective thanks. did you settle in Scotland?

[@hamder]

I find it kinda funny that we danes aren't the only germanic speaking people who have a term for when danish words/pronunciation slip into english. We call it danglish.

[@DazzaGee]

English is a Germanic language too. Teutonic group, Danmark, England, Sweden, Norwegian, Dutch, Friesian (also once spoken roughly on the English east coast). The north sea coasts from southern Denmark, Altona (Germany) Friesland (Holland) and Lincolnshire/Norfolk/Suffolk - also germanic terms for 'North Folk and South folk) spoke a similar dialect. Few people use it now here but the Dutch and n.Germans can understand it apparently.

[@Skullet]

Back in the mid 90's in Scotland I worked with a Scottish guy that had a bunch of UVF tattoo's, the guy was a total bellend.

[@lenboy4479]

Not surprised since they are fkn knuckle draggers.

[@seneca983]

Are the Catholics in Scotland on average more or less in favor of Scottish independence that the general population in Scotland?

[@hadiisaboss5307]

Tough to say, Scotland has a very high atheist population with the only Catholic majority area being Glasgow and that's a slight majority. I'd say it's the same as most Scots there's not much of a religous divide here aside from football

[@seneca983]

@@hadiisaboss5307 Well, I said "Catholic" but what I really was wondering if Irish heritage would tend to affect their attitudes to Scottish independence one way or another.

[@hadiisaboss5307]

@seneca983 oooh now that's a good question, I'd say most Scots want independence except the anglo-scots of the lowlands as they're more culturally similar with the north of England. Although at this current time people want independence less with the SNP in charge

[@HighIntellect67]

A lot of Catholic vote SNP, Scottish Labour has quite a few links to the Orange Order

[@seneca983]

@@HighIntellect67 Thanks for the info.

[@caseclosed9342]

Still waiting on you to make a video about the relationship between Irish nationalists and Palestinians. (And why Rangers fans fly Israeli flags while Celtics fans fly Palestinian flags…)

[@CiaranKane-hf7iw]

no direct connection

[@tymstewart]

Anti colonialism. Anti British sentiment. Anti imperialism

[@stiofain88]

Rangers/Unionists fly Israeli fans just to be in opposition to Celtic/Irish Nationalists flying Palestinian. They just do the opposite of what we do because thats how they are. We fly Palestinan flags because we recognise they are getting royally screwed over to pay for German/Austrian/Italian sins and its complete bollocks.

[@gersguy13]

Rangers don't fly Israeli flags, other than the odd idiot who has done it purely to oppose/annoy Celtic fans. There is no link other than they are the opponents of the side Celtic support, and the only people flying their flag (which admittedly has happened a number of times, enough to be photographed a good few times anyway) clearly don't know anything about the situation.

[@Delboy55hwg]

Celtic fans fly they flags because it was the PLO that introduced joe Cahill to Gaddafi

[@John-tl6po]

This was the week the Catholics and protestants united against a common threat! 🎉

[@Irishman0855]

10 racist getting together is not indicative of the two community’s you lemon😂

[@trollgegael]

traitors you mean

[@Hsalf904]

Before watching the video, I’m from northeast Nova Scotia where most of the Highland Catholics came during the Clearances after Culloden. Growing up I associated Scottishness with Catholicism, you can imagine my surprise when I found out most of Scotland was Protestant today! I’m going to guess the two main factors are the lack of settler colonialism (although it was attempted in Lewis) and a lack of unified Scottish national culture/identity with the Highland-Lowland split and religious diversity among the Highlands. I think if the Highlands were their own country or all of Scotland had remained Gaelic and Catholic there absolutely would have been a Troubles

[@Hsalf904]

All that being said: Scotland out of Britain, Britain out of Ireland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪

[@rocksandforestquiver959]

It's always weird trying to understand the troubles from a Canadian perspective because people here were just generally less segregated. The divide obviously still certainly existed, but in a lot of places you'd have a significant number of families of Irish, Scottish and English heritage of various religious backgrounds all just kind of living together. I think a lot of people, maybe until more recently, grew up in Canada having a very hard time understanding that Ireland isn't part of Britain and it's a little difficult to resonate with any one of the different extreme nationalist perspectives held within Britain and Ireland because by default North Americans are used to a blended British identity. Again, that may be less true of people born since like 2010 or so but I know when I was a kid literally nobody my age could understand that Ireland wasn't part of Britain

[@Sparx632]

@@Hsalf904North Americans out of our business

[@Hsalf904]

@@Sparx632 Brits out of Irish business

[@rhyancudor]

​@@Hsalf904 Nah you're alright mo chara, Britons are kin and republicans should re-evaluate their worldviews. Maireann an ríocht

[@ckpalmeiras1318]

Because they’re two entirely different countries with entirely different history’s and dynamics. Beyond some cringey Scots obsessed with Ireland’s thing because it seems tough and cool, and are desperate for a bit of that because they find Scotland’s comparatively tame history boring (geeks from Scotland talking about the IRA and UVF because they aren’t interested in Scotland’s very interesting history in science), no one else in Scotland knows anything about the Irish thing. It’s some other country with some other history.

[@ckpalmeiras1318]

For example, by the mid 19th century Scotland was at the centre of a scientific revolution with one of the heightest rates of literacy on earth. This means Scotland was wealthy and comparatively middle class, as a nation. This was possible as it became a fully engaged society into the British project. Ireland on the other hand was a tough, hard place where the bulk of the population stubbornly resisted British occupation, retained their indigenous language as the majority language right up to the famine (the census in 1821 showing the vast bulk of Ireland spoke no English), the country was excluded from the British policing reforms - meaning Scotland, England and Wales had an unarmed, locally raised police, while Ireland had an armed force that continued to live in barracks as a militia (places in the south, north and west of Ireland still referring to police stations as a “barracks”). They retained their religion even to their material detriment. They retained their culture to their material detriment - only anglicising after the famine. So Scotland and Ireland did have historical links, but over the centuries Irish resistance and Scottish acquiescence completely diverged their situations.

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

@@ckpalmeiras1318 Couldn’t have said it better myself Scotland wasn’t just a willing participant in the British ideal, THEY WERE THE BRITISH IDEAL. Scotland was so integrated into British imperialism and its fruits that they benefited more than England, Glasgow was built almost solely off of slavery in the Caribbean which btw 50% of plantations in the entirety of the Caribbean not just British colonies were owned by Scots

[@MrSchizoid405]

@@ckpalmeiras1318 Well said.

[@PaulEcosse]

There aren't many adults could care less about the old wars, there are plenty of 90 minute bigots, but the vast majority tend to grow out of it, having friends and lovers on both sides of the football divide.

[@MrIrishscouse]

The title of this video should be 'Why there were NAE Troubles in Scotland.' Just an idea. ;-)

[@billybhoy32]

I think you need to remember "the orange vote" in Scotland during the 50s/60s.

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

And in the Independence vote not so long ago

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

@@Bobby-xr4bo Lest we forget modern Scottish nationalism has its roots in anti-Irish sentiment and Presbyterian supremacy

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

@@Somerandomdrummer8 really? How so? I think your confusing Scottish Loyalism with Scottish Nationalism

[@Somerandomdrummer8]

@@Bobby-xr4bo Scottish nationalism and home rule has its roots in the amount of Irish Catholics that were being allowed to immigrate to Scotland and elsewhere in the UK by the British government. The idea was that with home rule or full independence the migration of Irish Catholics to Scotland would be stopped if not completely banned. Scottish loyalism wasn’t a thing at this time it was just called… being Scottish? Scotland has always been historically sectarian ever since conversion to Presbyterianism. You think England was bad? Scotland essentially started the English civil war because and I quote “the Anglican Church is little more than Catholic” and tried to overthrow King Charles I in Scotland because of this

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

@@Somerandomdrummer8 different animals altogether. Modern Scottish Nationalism comes from a desire to be free to make our own way in the world.. it is directly at odds with Protestant Succession.. seeing it for what it is. A divisive tool that pits working class people against each other in order to maintain the ruling classes control over the population.. I am under no illusions about how bad the Presbyterian influence was in Scotland especially when it came to dealing with Catholics and particularly those of the Irish persuasion, coming from that stock myself and indeed from a mixed marriage where half my family growing up were of the staunchest Loyalists and the Other half Irish Catholics.. I dream of a Country free of such prejudices.. where all men are equal and share a common bond.. I am a proud Scottish nationalist and a committed Catholic with Irish and Scottish blood in my veins. It is high time people moved on from this divisive nonsense and looked to what we as a nation can become and how we can improve our country to benefit all of our children, no matter what their ethnicity or religion..