What do Creationists Believe about Human Evolution? | Dr. Eugenie Scott

Creationists persistently deny the possibility that our species has had an evolutionary history, in spite of the overwhelming evidence. Dr. Eugenie C. Scott, Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education, will argue that understanding the creationist treatment of human evolution requires an understanding of theological doctrine. This includes the idea that humans and other ""kinds"" be separate creations, hence all the fossils are either ""true humans"" or ""just apes."" How should we address the fact that some fossils show both ""primitive"" and ""advanced"" features, rather than this dichotomos divide?
“What do Creationists Believe About Human Evolution” was presented at American Museum of Natural History on 5/17/2007 as part of The Leakey Foundation’s Speaker Series on Human Origins in partnership with the New York Consortium in Evolutionary Anthropology.
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[@dozermc5220]

I went to a Christian private school in Australia in the 90's. It was hilarious in biology and earth science classes because the syllabus was set by the state, so we had to learn the genuine science out of text books. Then afterwards we would be given a little pamphlet with some alternative theories and were told that the science was wrong and we should believe the pamphlets, even though they contained theories that were so obviously disproved by what we'd just learnt in class.

[@omnivorous65]

And that is the reason why I hate creationists and their ilk with a passion. While I am not a buddhist myself I always sympathized with Buddhism's sensitivity to suffering being central to all existence. Life can be a real shit show. Its one redeeming aspect is the fact that our world is intelligible. To our great delight we can comprehend life and universe. Having creationists and those believing in "revealed" religion actively fighting the knowledge we acquired, diminishing the scope of what we know and understand is positively evil. Stopping (at least trying to stop) mankind to engage in its most noble task: the comprehension of the world.

[@dozermc5220]

@@omnivorous65 I totally agree. My creationist teacher's blatant attempts to discredit, or prevent access to the forbidden knowledge had the entirely opposite affect than they were hoping for. I ended up craving more information about these subjects which led me to a university education and career in genetics, and an amatuer passion for anthropology. It's no coincidence that the belief in religion is inversely proportional to an individual's or population's level of education.

[@lukehelpmetakethisdangmaskoff]

@dozermc5220 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn-ycqKFg7eVbJIsi=G7aqAr6BoXS5bw_Z

[@christopherlord3441]

I have a half-brother who brought his family up as creationists. At the age of twenty or so, one of his children told me he was 'very interested in evolution'. But when I asked him about it, it turned out that he knew next to nothing about evolution, as this had been a taboo subject during his upbringing. All he meant was that he was curious about whether there might be something in it. So all this flood of information and fact is certainly a good idea, but the main problem is not scientific: it is the psychological and cultural one of undoing the indoctrination of children.

[@allanvrc725]

It comes down to how does everything appear in this reality and what sustains it? All matter, the atoms and the space between them is 98% space 2% solid approximately. What maintains the difference of gravity inward and the expansion outward giving volume to all matter. There is something pushing back against gravity. There is something keeping everything in equilibrium. Then simple atoms become all the elements and then there is organic life and it is all strung together on virtually nothing. Personal experience and then reading scriptures, it is God who instantly manifests everything seen. We all live and move and have our being in God. We were not meant to be biological creatures called Human but the mind developed errors. Man has taken the wrong violent path which is observable and this will lead to extinction. Man can be immortal and it is all in the mind.

[@josephdonais3436]

What you suggest is entirely possible. Though I would caution, it seems ignorance and the muse walk hand in hand creating doctrine where it finds purchase. It is a slippery slope.

[@jasonbyrne8487]

I agree, childhood indoctrination is tantamount to child abuse in my opinion...

[@allanvrc725]

@@josephdonais3436 Acts 17, 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[b] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ Proverbs 20, 27 The human spirit is[a] the lamp of the Lord that sheds light on one’s inmost being. A slippery slope to where? Every individual person has a thread of God but it is corrupted. The Human mind as a collective brings forth violence and filth from evil thoughts. Changes need to occur from the inside. It is impossible to be renewed from the outside. There is no example, no Knowledge, no words to educate. When a person is purified, when the nature of Jesus and the mind He thinks from is found on the inside a person is pure and the God of the whole universe will then indwell. Two wills are aligned, the Fathers Will and my will are one. Religious leaders water down the truth by interpretations of doctrine showing they have other motives and agendas of their own.

[@rustycherkas8229]

@@allanvrc725 Kinda makes one wonder why God keeps churning out souls and putting 'em into flawed humans that walk around the place, making a mess of things... Deliberate "planned obsolescence" is not considered by many to be a noble pursuit... Just send those newly minted souls straight into eternal paradise and deprive ol' Satan of his nefarious pleasure... In about 100 years, the Earth will be able to begin 'healing' for the rest of the lower menagerie to enjoy without the fuss of having us sinful monkeys about driving them to extinction...

[@kellydalstok8900]

Science should be a protected term, as it has been and is being abused way to often by people with zero idea what science is. Like the “it’s just a theory” parrots.

[@whitegentile8260]

Kitty Cat girl... it is evolutionists who abuse the word "theory." Because of a lack of understanding, they think that because evolution has the word "theory" attached to it somehow that makes it "science" and therefore true. A theory is just a conjecture that attempts to explain a natural phenomena. A theory is only as good as the evidence that supports it. By your standards I suppose the theory that "the earth is flat" is true because it has the word theory attached to it. NONESENCE! I contend that the evidence does not support evolution. In fact it is on the same level as the "flat earth" theory.

[@GaryR55]

Agreed. The media and the authors of science fiction have long perverted science by portraying fantasy as science to the point at which most people cannot distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality.

[@chickenfist1554]

No evidence is good enough for a creationist. But no evidence is good enough for a creationist.

[@kevinlemon6537]

Creationism should be totally ignored . The more time and energy we give them the more they feed on it .

[@khalilparks3049]

I honestly believe that creationism is the best belief system as it gives an answer and explanation for where these things came from and how they got this way as opposed to science that has not found out how life came from absolutely nothing but to suggest that lightning hit slime on a rock and that's how life came about? There are too many holes in science that makes absolutely no sense that you have to imagine where these things came from and how they came to be and how they got their ability to evolve into what it is today is unimaginable. Especially what we know what the power of intelligence can do we can using our intelligence create all sorts of uncanny robotic technology and to this day have made robots and artificial life through our intelligence but you want to tell me that nature using no intelligence whatsoever created way more complex life 🧬 I don't think so

[@terrencehall7264]

Kevinlemon. The exact same thing can be said about evolutionism.

[@khalilparks3049]

On judgement day, I told you so will not do you any good

[@khalilparks3049]

@@terrencehall7264 you're insane. Evilution has absolutely no explanation for how life developed it's own ability to create and adapt life. Please stop

[@khalilparks3049]

@@terrencehall7264 sorry

[@johnnycharisma162]

I remember being about 5or 6 years old and hearing about Adam and Eve and Noah’s Ark etc. And thinking “This is Bullshit”.

[@lrvogt1257]

Me too. Just about the same age. The parting of the Red Sea was deal breaker too. So much nonsense. I wasn't even aware of most of the divinely-ordered mass cruelty and murder in the Bible yet.

[@TheMickeymental]

Johnny Charisma So you believe the same now as you did at six years old. That is not much progress for a weak minded evolutionist.

[@lrvogt1257]

@@TheMickeymental : Do you still believe the myths you were told when you young? If so you've learned less than we have. Science brings us new information every day.

[@johnnycharisma162]

@@TheMickeymental no my friend. I was told what to believe. Then I thought for myself. Try it.

[@stucody]

@@TheMickeymental Fist you need to demonstrate that a god exists

[@TheShootist]

it's completely clear, the Ark is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.

[@stevelampley2591]

Just like the trunk on the Weasleys car in The Prisoner of Azkaban!!

[@Artman1]

Noah was Dr Who.

[@richardlewin9282]

The TARDIS ARK encounter 🤑🤑 👍🐑🐑🐑🐑😇🍌🐑🤥🤷

[@thenbwkmtkspktrminc.4613]

@@Artman1 which Noah are You referring ? Lol

[@thenbwkmtkspktrminc.4613]

Good point lol . .

[@lrvogt1257]

If creationists are confident their beliefs are factual then the scientific evidence will eventually lead there regardless of anyone's opinion. Being proven wrong means you don't have to be wrong anymore.

[@sombodysdad]

There isn't any evidence that nature produced life and its diversity. There isn't even a way to test the claim. You lose.

[@WhizzRichardThompson]

@@sombodysdad There isn't any demonstrable evidence of a creator. Check mate, you lose

[@sombodysdad]

@@WhizzRichardThompson You don't know anything about science nor evidence.

[@lrvogt1257]

@@sombodysdad : There is no evidence that magic AKA supernatural phenomena is real therefore it cannot be rationally be suggested as a cause of anything.

[@Cuffsmaster]

@@sombodysdad "you don't know anything about science" Well his vast knowledge or lack of knowledge does not make a creationist correct. Richard is correct, there is no evidence of a magic creation, You just picked a religious book and pretend it is correct. It is nothing more than deny science no matter what you believe.

[@diorocks5858]

I am British and am blessed with Arabic cousins who are muslim and many of my cousins including me are well versed on evolution as its amazing and makes sence of how societies change overtime due to environmental pressure. What is shocking is that a modern society like the USA still pushes the creation story which really is an archaic view comprising of nonsence...

[@dr.mukeshc.chauhanconsciou3144]

I am British as well and what world does not know is how Arab cousins walked out of lectures at UCL chemistry lectures when Steve Jones was sharing many beautiful discoveries about evolution lecture.why? Because they believed Allah has made human beings... you try convincing them of respect for knowledge at college and Universities.

[@MossyMozart]

@diorocks5858 - You are correct that there are some in the USA who are determined to drag us back to the Dark Ages. They do not care about truth or the economy. Fortunately, they are a minority and there are many who fight them. Thank you for your support.

[@GaryR55]

It's not pushed by our federal government. Rather, the Creationists, back in the seventies, sued the public schools for "equal time" for the presentation of their "theory," which is just Christian mythology dressed up as "science." This took root in several places and not in others, so there has been an uneven teaching of science as a result.

[@donna7816]

If you enjoyed this lecture, you should subscribe to Gutsick Gibbon’s channel. She addresses and debunks young earth creationists .

[@imagomonkei]

As a former employee of AiG, I am so happy to finally come to the truth.

[@grimcity]

Wow, really? As a long time scientific and philosophical adversary of AiG, I would love to hear you share your story! I only know the content they create (and the activism they're involved with)... may I ask what the primary thing was that made you leave? Asking in good faith out of incredible interest (and no, I'm not a journo or anything, just a random nerd). Cheers, Seth!

[@josephdonais3436]

Truth is a thing beyond the veil of our ignorance. We are still looking for it, though some would sit by the roadside pandering the muse.

[@walkerflocker7811]

Congratulations on your escape!

[@sombodysdad]

And what is the truth?

[@imagomonkei]

@@sombodysdad creationism is a lie. The universe as we know it began about 13.8 Bya through natural means. Life on Earth is the product of evolution. There very likely is no god, but Yahweh definitely doesn't exist.

[@fado792]

Every believer (and non-believer) sits in the church on a tailbone with 5 vertebrates, grown together, as one bone, from our ancestors; the same ancestor as our apes have, 7 million years ago. They found his foodsteps on Creta.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

If true it doesnt prove evo.

[@fado792]

God created himself out of nothing with a rudimental tail because we resemble him. The genes of a Bonobo or someone with Down Syndrome only differ minimally from us. It proves nothing because we feel lost without a God. But God created nature laws that he cannot change anymore to help us. We can pray and sing what we want.

[@jasonwiley798]

​@@ralphgoreham3516 but it certainly disproves creative design

[@jasonwiley798]

​@@fado792 I don't feel lost. Too bad you do.

[@fado792]

@@jasonwiley798 noooo. And I dont feel pummeld by the man made shuffle of the Bible in the year 325 in Nice. Nevertheles life is a wonder within a space of 13,5 billon lightyears. I hope God hs several other projects because this is doomed.

[@typologetics3432]

I grew up in an admantly creationist Christian family and church. I used to drive by the Institute for Creation Research in Santee, California on my way to work every day. Then a teacher gave me a book by C.S. Lewis that staunchly defended the Christian faith but also took for granted that living things evolved. That was a new perspective for me. It started me down a long road that culminated in appreciation of evolution and the historical sciences as an enrichment of my faith rather than a threat to it.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

You can not have both typopologetics. Think about it. God is the DESIGNER Evolution is time random and chance. Neo Darwinism = mutations = copying errors = chaos.

[@trayrudolph4974]

Why would a fictional writers opion hold any weight on such a subject? I liked the Lion, Witch, and the wardrobe as much as everyone else but that doiesn't lead me to think he would have anymore insite on the subject of evolution in comparision to those that have studied the subject in dept like you find at all the leading universities in the world.

[@billTO]

It is so tedious still having to choose between science and faith. The more scientific knowledge makes new discoveries, the more astonished I grow, and the stronger my faith in the One who knew and created all over billions of years.

[@user-zv7wh6dc8g]

Darwinian evolution is correct but neodarwinism is an ideology@@ralphgoreham3516

[@davidhawkes1981]

@@trayrudolph4974 Have you actually read C.S. Lewis’ books concerning his arguments for and into the validity of the Bible? He was very intelligent and he does make some very good arguments. If you aren’t willing to actually look into what he said then you can’t honestly discredit his arguments or insights, can you?

[@GeorgiaEnglish88]

I think there are a lot of people who vaguely believe in god (or sometimes they will say ‘source’ or ‘the universe’) who also believe in evolution, but if you ask them to fully parse out what they believe they will describe something that sounds much more like intelligent design. Eg things aren’t totally random, there is an underlying meaning/logic/intention to the natural world. If you tally them up that’s probably the most common position for people to have, even among those who nominally believe in evolution and who would never describe themselves as Christian, let alone fundamentalist Christian.

[@jasonwiley798]

The environment directs evolution. Not random activity. The organisms better adapted to their particular micro- environment will win in that generation.

[@MossyMozart]

@GeorgiaEnglish88 - Creationists make all that seem so darned reasonable that it's not surprising when people with limited scientific education fall for it. If only American schools met the standards of other better-educated countries.

[@GaryR55]

Yep, or they will say they believe evolution exists, but that it's how "god's plan" was designed.

[@GaryR55]

@@jasonwiley798 While the "survival of the fittest" does have some merit, we live in a much tamer environment now, in which even those with "defective" genes can sire offspring. The reverse of this, i.e, those who don't want children, is also at play and to a far greater extent than ever. The survival of the species is at stake.

[@jasonwiley798]

@@GaryR55 and what is a defective gene ?

[@hm5142]

The fundamental problem is that science is a quest for truth and religion is a justification of arbitrary positions. The goals and the rules of engagement are very different in these two spheres.

[@whitegentile8260]

Apparently, Dr. Eugenie Scott has never had sex! For sex is the perfect example of intelligent and purposeful design. Not just once...but twice👫

[@gowdsake7103]

@@whitegentile8260 Ummmm wha ! You dont know there are many people with sexual defects ? A purposeful design when both sets of genitals can be present ! When 2 pinesses can be had ? When there are buried penisses undecended testicals and many others

[@whitegentile8260]

@@gowdsake7103 Interesting argument. Let's dissect it shall we. You realize that by calling these genital abnormalities "defects," you are reinforcing the concept of intelligent and purposeful design? In other words, you recognize the intelligent design of the "dick and pussy" and instinctively recognize when it's been distorted. I know...just think about it. Also, your argument, " genital defects exist, therefore, intelligent design doesn't exist" is not very convincing. Well, except to someone with an IQ of 100! By the way..."pinesses" is spelled "penises"

[@gowdsake7103]

@@whitegentile8260 Oh shoot me I am a little dyslectic If the design was perfect this is very simple there would be NO VARIATION But ok we will take your perfect design sighs THe BLIND spot in every humans eye The same pipe for food and air causing multiple deaths Indeed the need for food ! the perfect design would feed of ohhh woo woo energy ! The fact that ha huge amount of perfect designs need optical correction Perfectly made parts that can wear out Perfect bodys that are susceptible to thousands of ailments A body that can neither run the fastest or the longest or climb as well as others and cannot see well , is THAT your perfection

[@kaliban4758]

@@gowdsake7103 also the laryngial nerve that takes a detour to the heart before terminating in the throat

[@GaryR55]

The Creationists attempted to remove any inclusion of evolution in science classes in public schools during the 1970s. They did this by suing for "equal time," which was designed to bring all discussion of evolution to a halt.

[@sombodysdad]

There isn't any scientific theory of evolution.

[@wimahlers]

​@@sombodysdad There isn't any scientific theory of creation. In contrast, biological evolution is both a scientific fact as well as an established scientific theory. And, as always, you are encouraged to prove the evolution theory wrong replacing it by a scientifically viable alternative. If you do and can you will recieve the Nobel prize for biology and eternal fame, admiration, and the utmost scientific respect and honor.

[@sombodysdad]

@@wimahlers There isn't any scientific theory of evolution. What part of that don't you understand?

[@wimahlers]

@@sombodysdad What part of Dunning-Kruger do you not understand?

[@lizadowning628]

In any case, the creationist class only takes 10 sec to attend. Teacher: god did it all ... class dismissed 😉

[@gowdsake7103]

Special creation must be the ultimate denial of reality

[@gowdsake7103]

@@jimmyray5524 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o363e56EeNeZaaM Need any more ?

[@gowdsake7103]

@@jimmyray5524 Sighs unlike YOU they present reasoned EVIDENCE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil There that wasnt hard but I guess all those big words must be confusing for you OK its Wiki but there are thousands of them and papers written about them

[@noshit61]

Instead of turning water into wine, jesus should have turned nails into pasta.

[@lwmaynard5180]

Stop wining ? ?

[@danlhendl]

Yes but such a Christian would simply say God can make all things possible including the magic needed to house and feed the animals despite whatever physical limitations imposed by reality. They would say it doesn’t require an answer from reason. It just is because God said so.

[@Patrick77487]

Yup, as they're pushed further aside by science Creationists become more desperate, employing ever more deceptive imaginative stories they vainly hope will keep Creationism relevant.

[@kaliban4758]

It is just a cop out to keep from having to explain anything

[@sombodysdad]

@@Patrick77487 Unfortunately fir you, there isn't any science that supports the vlaim that blind and mindless processes produced life and its diversity.

[@Patrick77487]

@@sombodysdad Not yet, although there are chemists working on the problem. We will never know what processes initiated life on earth, since we cannot replicate those exact unknow conditions. I prefer temporary not knowing rather than arrogant assertions, god of gaps hypothesis.

[@SteveDeHaven]

@@sombodysdad You're misinformed. Every earth and life science we have tie together to support the conclusions we've reached. To overturn or negate evolution, you would have to completely eliminate almost all of those branches of science. There's infinitely more evidence supporting evolution, and suggesting abiogenesis, than there is to support a creationist view (for which there's ZERO evidence).

[@k_tell]

I would absolutely love that trip through the canyon :)

[@lesbendo6363]

Question how long would it take in a day to clean all the poop created by each kind?

[@whatabouttheearth]

On the Ark? The carnivores would of fucking ate everything anyway. If the flood myth was true we would genetically see 'Founders Effect' of all "kinds" stemming from Mount Ararat outward, yet we don't.

[@kathybrem880]

And only one window!!😂😂😂😂

[@GaryR55]

Did they draw straws for that task?

[@asexualatheist3504]

My money is on the science and scholarly, peer-reviewed consensus.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

Historically the experts have been wrong so what you suggest is not a very good way to evaluate things.

[@IIrandhandleII]

@@NewOrleansSeptember so you're saying the experts are always wrong about everything since you don't want evolution to be true?

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

@@IIrandhandleII Go back in history and look at what the experts have said. They have been wrong over and over. We have that going on today with Covid. And either Darwinian evolution is true or it's not true. I am only interested in if it's true or not true. There is no evidence that Darwinian evolution occurred. That is why it is still argued. You can do computer simulations of many things to prove them right or wrong. There has been no successful computer simulations of Darwinian evolution. That should tell you a lot. When it comes to science when they can do repeatable experiments over and over anywhere in the world and the same thing happens then you know it's true. We think, we believe, the evidence points to, etc are not proof. You hear these terms all the time in "science". And this use of studies to say something is valid has limitations. Studies can't be repeated like experiments. You can do another study but you can and many times do wind up with dueling studies. And having looked at lots of studies over the years I can tell you I can make a study that will come out any way I want it to come out. And this is often what happens when people are trying to get funding. I will give you a very good example of how the experts are misleading(to put it mildly) the public on mental health issues. And will make my point about the experts being wrong about things they insist they want you to live your life by. The story of Narcissus is a myth. Narcissus never existed. The story of Narcissus is not a case study. Narcissus is the child of the river god Chephissus and the nymph Liriope. So you and these experts have a condition based on fantasy. If you want to take this to its logical conclusion, the so called experts can take any Greek myth detailing human foibles and turn it into a mental illness. Now that is crazy. The story of Narcissus has nothing to do with mental illness. The use of the Greek myth Narcissus to make up this so called mental illness is a dangerous precedent. Of course I know you are not familiar with the story of Narcissus or you would know how ridiculous it is to try to make a mental illness out of it. I have written a book detailing this issue as well as the use of Oedipus Rex for the so called Oedipus Complex. Freud used four lines from Oedipus Rex to claim every male, every male desires to have sex with his mother. And it says “many a man” not most men much less all men. And where are the other examples in literature to prove this? There are none. If this was a universal condition it would be a theme in literary history that would be seen over and over again. And it’s not. I was a literature major and have studied these particular conditions based on literature. And let me give you another one. The earliest known story of multiple personality in literary history is the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. There is nothing prior, not in Shakespeare, the Greeks, the Romans, the Bible, nor personal journals. However you will find every other kind of illness in the literature from history. And the word dissociative they use to now label multiple personality is not a psychological term but a science fiction concept as the word dissociative comes from the science fiction novella Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde to explain the separation of the minds of Jekyll and Hyde. "How, then, were they dissociated?", is the direct quote. Somebody in the field of psychology got this term from a science fiction novella and sold it to the public as a psychological term. They are laughing at all of us, these so called experts. Multiple personality is a hysterical condition which you can see people exhibit if you go see a stage hypnotist. Every single case of multiple personality was "found" thru hypnosis. And I give a number of ways to show multiple personality is made up in my book. Its really not that hard but i spent two years researching all these matters. Narcissism, the Oedipus Complex and multiple personality are all bogus conditions. Its total crap. And my book is being repressed in the U.S. because i prove all these conditions are bogus. And these people treating people for any of these conditions would be liable for monetary damages. If you have a mental illness that is not a real mental illness you can treat someone forever since you can't cure someone of an illness they do not have, but you can convince people they have illnesses they don't have. This is why there must be objective tests as in medical science. Psychology is a social science not a medical science. You just can't claim someone has cancer or diabetes because I say so. But in the social science of psychology they can simply claim someone has a mental illness with no objective test whatsoever.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

@@IIrandhandleII This last comment I made was not posted by KZbin algorithm because I elaborated on my comment about, look what is going on with Covid. I had to take out two short sentences and they it was allowed to be posted. There is no freedom of speech in the U.S.. They want you to believe you have freedom of speech.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@IIrandhandleII Good point Adfasd. It has always been difficult to upset the status quo.

[@docm27]

In my experience, creationists brush aside science and reason. Inconvenient data are irrelevant to them.

[@blindazabat9527]

"Four legs good, two legs bad"

[@KokowaSarunoKuniDesu]

But 'kind' is an artifact of William Tyndale's translation from the Hebrew, is it not?

[@saulgoode5616]

Helped me understand my neighbours, thanks.

[@Svensk7119]

It is possible to believe in evolution and Creation.

[@raysalmon6566]

Then, as a parting shot, "The appearance of chance will always bear a proportion to the ignorance of the observer," with which Paley was confident that he had defended his religion and confounded the infidel. What Paley had, in fact, done was to provide a catalogue of adaptations that was shortly to come in very useful, and this is why it has been necessary to allot to Paley, as to Malthus, more space than would be justified by the intrinsic merits of their special pleading, masquerading as science. Furthermore, Paley's works, which were prescribed reading in British universities for many years, represent the prevailing points of view and attitudes of mind that had to be overcome by hard scientific evidence before the theory of evolution could be established, and, by an astonishing irony of history, his and Malthus' works unwittingly contributed more than any other publications to the establishment of that theory. Such were the tides, currents, and backwaters of thought when on December 27, 1831 H.M.S. Beagle set sail from Plymouth. 439 class UH Manoa SJG Why Darwin

[@jwonderfulsuccess]

Why do people care so much about creationists. Live your own life how you want. That's a problem in the world, most people are trying to change others to conform to their own beliefs. ✌🕊

[@ozowen]

If creationists would keep their idiocy away from school curricula, then that would be OK.

[@robertmiller9735]

Perhaps a companion piece about what Creationists think "evolutionists" believe would be interesting?

[@DANIELMABUSE]

Most creationist texts provide such information. I was raised in a "creationist" household and mostly I just parroted the claims and arguments from the books I was given.

[@robertmiller9735]

@@DANIELMABUSE Possibly. I was exposed to real science at about 9 and by the time I entered high school that stuff already seemed pathetic. I'd have thought the texts would be just arguments intended to put kids off studying science, but I'm not in that much a position to know...

[@DANIELMABUSE]

@@robertmiller9735 No doubt, as you point out, you are smarter than me. But you could still find out what creationists believe by looking in those texts.

[@allanvrc725]

@@DANIELMABUSE We all have a shot at immortality. Humans became biological because their minds and consciousness developed an error by deception. A blindness continues now by hereditary line and will lead to extinction of all flesh without an intervention. The Kingdom of God is found in a pathway that transforms the mind by a renewal. This is not superficial it is radical but not dangerous. Religions are hiding the truth because they mostly have experienced nothing and then misinterpret the scriptures. Most people learn by copying each other and even science has many plagiarizing others work. The source needs to be found. There is genius and then errors are continued by the unenlightened copiers. There is a choice to be made. Life or death.

[@cv8683]

Yeah that would be interesting considering i had to rebut a you think we came from monkeys assertion a week ago. I was surprised to hear that in 2021

[@keitho9508]

It is important not to agree with creationists that the solar system and galaxies were created. The Genesis account doesn't mention them, just the Heavens (sky dome) and Earth. The author knew nothing of planets, asteroids, or galaxies because he couldn't see them. They could see the Earth and the sky, and that's all, and that's what he created.

[@logicalatheist1065]

Creationists / intelligent design, don't understand much of anything science related

[@emersonmayeaux2482]

Religious and political dogma has held back humanity's progress for hundreds of years. It still continues to this day.

[@KokowaSarunoKuniDesu]

I have yet to hear a creationist position on what this sars-cov2 virus is doing when it is changing as it multiplies and transmits itself around. To me, what it is doing is evolution in action.

[@allanvrc725]

That is adaption with mutation and it is doubtful if it would change into another species altogether. Mutations work against a viable organism surviving. Some science suggests humans now have that many mutations with lost information, there will be difficulties surviving much longer. It seems to also effect the mind. In my life time so far the population of the world has trebled. The gene pool over time has come from very few. Inbreeding with mutations places pressure on a species.

[@whitegentile8260]

Sars-covid2, like covid 1, is still a virus! And a million mutations from now it will still be a VIRUS. Hear me now?

[@professorneturman2249]

@@allanvrc725 Nonsense

[@professorneturman2249]

@@whitegentile8260 Viruses will always be Viruses but will evolve into different Viruses. You really don't understand evolution do you

[@whitegentile8260]

@@professorneturman2249 Nice to hear from you Professor! Maybe I don't understand evolution. Let's define our terms just for clarity. Tell me, how do you define "evolution" ?

[@craighartley551]

Hello ,what are the thoughts on where the water went ? Craig Hartley. England.

[@paulwood6636]

Good question Craig. The Flood waters went into the ocean basins...by the way, the mountains did not exist prior to the Flood so the Flood waters did not rise over Mt Everest. The mountains were generated late in the Flood, which reflects the relatively young secular age of mountains.

[@tired1923]

I know that saying this is like kicking straight into a hornet’s nest, but I find it interesting that creationists tend to believe in natural selection when (a complete misrepresentation of) it is the main argument for eugenics.

[@Patrick77487]

For every new science discovery surrounding evolution, creationists spend weekends inventing new stories designed to refute Evolutionary Theory, all to no avail, all to inevitable failure. Funny part is even if evolution were proven false it would get them no closer to proving their hide-and-seek deities.

[@whitegentile8260]

The battle is not between evolution and religion. It's between critical reason and a theory masquerading as science.

[@lwmaynard5180]

The Leaky Evolution revolution promoted by slackacademic DRIPS ? ?

[@Patrick77487]

To both vapid comments. What are your credentials? And why troll Leaky page when you have been convinced of religious doctrine? Whiners watching their fallacious indoctrination shredded by science, lol

[@whitegentile8260]

@@Patrick77487 Stardust...my comment is anything but vapid. Sound reasoning doesn't need a credential. Go back and read my comment. My critique of evolution has nothing to do with religion. It's based on evidence, sound reasoning, and recent scientific discoveries that cast ever more doubt on a failing theory. The next time you have sex...if that ever happens...notice how that part fits this part just right. Notice how the parts seem designed for each other. Now ask yourself: how does a mindless, purposeless random process create such design? How does it do it twice? If your going to play in this sandbox you gonna have to step it up😇

[@Patrick77487]

LOL!!! The ole Puddle Fallacy. I suppose you side with Banana Fallacy introduced by the now infamous Ray Comfort?? And any peer reviewed studies debunking evolution would be appreciated.

[@WUWHere]

Like she said, even if the Creationists could somehow, miraculously, disprove evolution, they still must prove with evidence that God exists and created everything. Religions have had several thousand years to provide that proof but have failed miserably and utterly. No surprise there.

[@allanvrc725]

God makes everything appear at every instant. We all live move and have our being in God. God covers Himself with Light as with a garment. Everything seen is God's covering. Matter is 98% space. The universe is consciousness and will communicate.

[@NewOrleansSeptember]

There is no proof of Darwinian evolution. It's an argument. Micro evolution is easily observed. Darwinian evolution is an argument.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@NewOrleansSeptember Well put David. The asserted intermediate steps dont exist. A former director of the London zoo, Dr Henry Gee, who tends towards evolution said "The fossil record makes a great bedtime story but is not science.

[@garykeenan8591]

@@NewOrleansSeptember You just make stuff up when you find something too hard to understand or too much a challenge to your bias. Darwin was the beginning of evolutionary theory that has been developed for almost 200 years now with mountains of evidence and refinement of the view of evolution which is the foundation of modern biological science.

[@garykeenan8591]

@@ralphgoreham3516 Henry Gee is an evolutionary biologist, not a zoo director. The fossil record is the result of decades of science, but science is a practice, not a thing. There is no record of him saying the nonsense you assert. There are numerous intermediate forms in the fossil record easily found if you look at real scientific literature. DNA also demonstrates the common ancestry of all life forms. Science is far more interesting and detailed than the fairy tales you seem to prefer.

[@stuartwilliams3164]

A very Leakey theory of evolution full of holes .

[@DontEverGrowUp]

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him until a global flood kills all the fish.

[@kinglyzard]

Crrationidm=mental stagnation.

[@A3Kr0n]

Following the tradition of almost every lecture I've ever seen, Dr. Scott's computer messes up.

[@susanmaguire1503]

What would all the cow-kind, antelope-kind, and goat-kind eat. Seems like they'd need to store a lot of hay and grain. And what about storing food for the dog-kind, cat-kind, and bear-kind without refrigeration for a year? Seems they'd need to eat the cow-kind, antelope-kind, goat-kind. When those ran out they'd need to eat the human-kind.

[@kathybrem880]

Makes no sense, it’s all very silly

[@pierrec1590]

Creationists are living proof of evolution as a process that does not work for all people at the same speed. In their case, it is very slow.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

time will tell Pierre

[@whatabouttheearth]

I would suggest the first chapter of Stephen Jay Gould's 'Ever Since Darwin' on how evolution is not progress, it's merely environmental selection and genetic predominance from shared ancestry on species level or higher.

[@yoursotruly]

Well presented! The enormous danger I see is not in their absurd ideas but in their recent co-opting of the term "science" in all its variations. The word means something, that a rigorous process has been followed and reviewed without any preferred results or non-material interference. Nobody believes in creationism because they took an unbiased look at all the scientific evidence and ignored all religious legends, you are not a scientist if you don't follow the scientific method. Guided evolution is just as ridiculous, it is an oxymoron, if it were guided, it wouldn't be evolution because it is the idea that it is unguided and we can examine the process that has allowed us to learn so much. If it was guided, we'd be scratching our heads wondering how things magically happened throughout earth's history with no natural explanation.

[@kinglyzard]

Yup. Creationism=mental stagnation.

[@lwmaynard5180]

Yep THE EVOLUTION REVOLUTION equals , MENTAL RETARDATION ? ? ? A luniversity concept ? ?

[@kinglyzard]

@@lwmaynard5180

[@sombodysdad]

The absurd idea is that nature produced life and its diversity.

[@sombodysdad]

@Pat M Grow up. The Bible is not based on a 6000 year old earth.

[@truescotsman4103]

take an hour to explain that creationists don't agree with evolution? I think it's a lot simpler than that they dismiss it outright with or without evidence in all cases.

[@wesleycolemanmusic]

Creationists accept every observable evolutionary mechanism. See Dr. Lee Spetner's work as well as Dr. John Sanford's.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Around 53:48 the doctor skips the important step where cells gained organelles, like the mitochondria.

[@nayanmipun6784]

Where are the evidence of speciation in live settings?

[@nicolassbrown9881]

I would say that Genesis creationism is a subset of Intelligent Design, not the other way round.

[@RussellSlam]

That was such a great lecture, particularly the end where she showed the branching from Eucharists to hominids. Also the point that creationist were more interested in finding flaws in evolutionary theory than explaining how all of the living world evolved in less than 10,000 years.

[@TheLeakeyFoundation]

So glad you enjoyed it!

[@lwmaynard5180]

Of course you will find flaws in a LEAKEY FOUNDATION . THE EVOLUTION REVOLUTION IS NOT THE SOLUTION ? ? ?

[@kaliban4758]

@@lwmaynard5180 typing in capital still does not make evolution wrong

[@toni4729]

@@lwmaynard5180 You wanna tell me how Noah separated the salt water from the fresh. Did he have gigantic swimming pools on the ark as well as massive water tanks. Don't forget the fresh water creatures that needed to be kept. Hippo are the closest relative to the whale. Explain this.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

The Genesis account does not say the earth or the universe were created 10,000 or 4:5 billion or 13:7 billion years. It is silent on such.

[@michaelrichards9309]

Nervousness or excess saliva produce excess swallowing midsentence - inappropriate and irritating - thereby distracting from the mission - I switch off.

[@serenityviolet1304]

And I wonder what will happen when we eventually get to the point where we can change our genes.

[@ozowen5961]

I put a new pair on today.

[@obijuan3004]

100 years ago most people did not believe in evolution. Today, an average educated person at least minimally believes in the evolution of animals within their species. In 100 years religion will be associated with ignorance and very few people will believe in magical invisible beings. As the gaps in human knowledge are filed, the need for an invisible, magical friend dissipates.

[@Patrick77487]

We can hope, yet I remain unsure.

[@sombodysdad]

Yeah and the gaps are going to close such that Stonehenge is a natural formation, right?

[@obijuan3004]

@@sombodysdad That statement doesn't make any sense, we already know that Stonehenge was made by people. There are several rock formations in the world up to the great pyramids that we know people made.

[@sombodysdad]

@@obijuan3004 The same type of evidence that says Stonehenge was intelligently designed also says that life was intelligently designed.

[@obijuan3004]

@@sombodysdad You're making a giant leap there Mr. Intelligently designed. There is actual evidence of human manipulation of the stones at Stonehenge, before the bible was written. Also DNA shows the people were most likely not British, they were from the Spanish peninsula. That is evidence. However, there is no evidence of any separate intelligence involved in the evolution of life, except by assumption. Also, there is not any evidence that there is a separate intelligence or supernatural being, except in the stories written in religious texts throughout history. If that's all that is needed is some text then all Gods are real, including Zeus, Odin and characters like Yoda. The one you think is real, is more of a matter of time and location of birth and the religious culture of that time and location. Belief is random. Science give us a path of real evidence to study. For example the Covid-19 virus evolves completely from a random mutation during RNA replication. Some mutations we never see because the mutation fails immediately (extinction). While others turn into the Omicron variant, because of its mutations ability to quickly replicate and infect new hosts (evolution). This is happening over just a few months and a virus is not really alive, its just biological, organic molecules that exist through random mutation of host cells. Belief is not evidence.

[@tornaperinso1484]

God proves some people are still living in the Bronze Era.

[@dr.mukeshc.chauhanconsciou3144]

Religious entities living in Bronze era I can understand because I have met them and encounter their daily mindset, but it is the scientific entities who live in Bronze era are even more dangerous because they have the attitude of know it all instead of inquiry ...and discovery, this is what I did after neuroscience could not answer my questions about consciousness and I went out in search of Creator of our Universe whom I found after 14 painful stays of searching...I have the scientific proof of existence of both Creator and God.

[@JuanGarcia-wo3ok]

So which came first, the chicken or the egg?

[@travisbicklepopsicle]

The egg came first.

[@wallabea9750]

Regarding Chromosome 2, (it’s not a) big deal! It was the human sequencing and study of the genome, which turned up the result and which may one day contribute to better medical intervention of some kind. That’s the case, regardless of whether one accepts the Theory of Evolution or not. It may have been motivated by Evolutionists check a seeming anomaly but there seem to be an increasingly number of anomalies for Evolution (in a variety of fields) that remain unresolved and appear unresolvable. Given this, it seems very rich to carry on about Evolution’s predictive power!

[@margrietoregan828]

Totally awesome. I grew up in a very, very staunch fundamentalist Christian milieu but was blessed/cursed with an insatiable curiosity about life, the universe and everything which internal boiling pot was teamed up with a love of nature that new no bounds ... not to omit living within a sufficiently rural locale in which the breeding of livestock was a central concern .... I can remember pouring over National Geographic articles on breeds of dogs & having evolutionary epiphanies even before I knew what evolutionary theory was. Here's another extremely politically incorrect notion that plagued me for no small period of time, er, gulp, splutter !!!!! :- "When were humans gunna get 'round to castrating all of our substandard males and leave the alphas entire so that they could do all of the breeding, just as is the case with all livestock - pets, & both farm & zoo animals ??" Take it easy, take it easy - I was only eight years old .....

[@matttcoburn]

Very good!

[@PifflePrattle]

If we were cannibals that would make some sense. Plenty of good lean long pig! However if we want to live in a peaceful and prosperous advanced society we'd be better off castrating all the meat heads. Their only benefit appears to be forming gangs to protect us from other gangs of similar thugs.

[@davidcoulthard6364]

Lebensborn

[@Bastillius]

@@PifflePrattle Aren't you saying the same for the catheads?

[@lwmaynard5180]

They are half way there with abortion stats,

[@IIrandhandleII]

So you're telling me samsons magical hair is not true?

[@toni4729]

Oh phooey. I wanted to ask him how it grew, I'm going bald.

[@whatabouttheearth]

😂😂😂 Some chic ate a freaking apple and talked to a talking snake so all humanity is doomed to suffering by an invisible psychopath in the sky who later impregnates a virgin with magic and makes him self a man and be his own son so he can murder suicide himself to pay for the rediculous illogical penalty he made himself but if you don't believe that absolutely rediculous story and join his doomsday death cult you are going to suffer in torture for eternity in a lake of fire in some undisclosed location? In the words of Good Will Hunting...."I'm holding out for something better"

[@kathybrem880]

Nope, sorry

[@eremitehugs7986]

Creation 'science' is not Science.Stop legitimizing them in any way shape and form with the idea that how they think and what they believe has anything to do with the tenets of Science...

[@sombodysdad]

Evolution by means of blind and mindless processes isn't science.

[@WhizzRichardThompson]

@@sombodysdad Read a few science books on the subject to correct your ignorance.

[@sombodysdad]

@@WhizzRichardThompson The ignorance is all yours.

[@bennichols561]

Why not talk of the opinion of shellfish.

[@gazzas123]

It is the bible that has been rewritten over and over as each editor added and removed text

[@lwmaynard5180]

They were Textus Arrangers ? ?

[@allanvrc725]

The bible actually says it has been written with a method to hide the truth. When the high minded and scholars say that they know what it all means then they are relying on their own understanding only. The Bible is a collection of books that indicate the way of transformation, and a path must be taken. The way forward is revealed by walking the path and as a person proceeds the direction to take is indicated. It is total belief and redirecting the will. There is a mind renewal and consciousness change which becomes a total transformation. It is the Holy Highway and being perfect. Love of the son is in a different nature and God will indwell, energizing an individual into freedom from their rebellious nature. Without action there is only own understanding, but by moving forward without turning back the goal is reached. It takes about three weeks. All doubts go, it is entirely true.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@allanvrc725 Correct Allan. Especially the prophetic chapters. Jehovah can not have wicked people understanding it for it would drag his holy name through the mud. John 16:12,13 Proverbs 4:18 Rev 1:1.

[@allanvrc725]

@@ralphgoreham3516 Hi, what is the definition of wicked? I am not a Bible scholar but have read it extensively. A supernatural event opened my mind to the Knowledge of God. I was a better person at that time than now, perhaps. An overview and complete understanding was given in a few seconds. Christians seem to have various interpretations. The scriptures are not understood very well and there is anecdotal messaging within the congregations. The teaching through obedience to the Spirit is disrespected and seen as deception. People do not want to let their old nature go and do not grasp the depth of transformation and renewing of the mind. It is treated as something superficial only as being learnt from the outside as an intellectual exercise. Behavior may change but the general rebellious nature that motivates the person on the inside does not. Paul relates that we are to present our bodies as a living sacrifice. To be transformed by the renewing of the mind.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@allanvrc725 The gravity of sin varies. wicked means the worst , and is a way of life. The Bible more often links it with adultery and fornication, and of course murder. It has other practices named at 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

[@gazzas123]

What did the ani a,s eat after they got off the ark. All the land was under water for a year it would no plants would have survived. Where did the water go?

[@gazzas123]

PS how did the salt water separate from the fresh water after the flood?

[@allanvercoe7164]

The mountains rose up out of the sea and the continents moved to create the sea trenches. Where does water come from because there is enough in the sea to cover the land by many meters. If the mountains were flattened off and used to fill the underwater trenches everything would be underwater. It would be difficult for much to grow after being submerged but the sea was probably less salty. When land is cleared it is surprising how quickly plant life recovers. The animals were not full adults and their food consumption was small.

[@allanvercoe7164]

@@gazzas123 Rain is fresh water.

[@Davey-Boyd]

@@allanvercoe7164 I really hope you are joking...

[@allanvercoe7164]

@@Davey-Boyd The scriptures state this and someone calculated the volumes involved. Every continent has similar layers in the build up of sediment suggesting they moved away from each other. Sea fossils have been found on the tallest mountains ie Everest.

[@ingenuity168]

Noah's Ark is just ludicrous. Humans should be humble and accept the fact that they share ancestry with apes. 😆

[@Lance_Lough]

How do creationists deal with the so-very-specific data of genetic analysis..?

[@dr.mukeshc.chauhanconsciou3144]

From Mind or Consciousness...that comes first, if there was no consciousness then there would be no human beings to do any analysis. Consciousness is hidden inside human brain and separate from it. Physicalists will never see human consciousness because they are working from lower coarser vibrations of physical atoms and not sub atomic vibrations

[@Lance_Lough]

@@dr.mukeshc.chauhanconsciou3144 is not a separate from the brain..it is emergent and deeply connected..

[@dr.mukeshc.chauhanconsciou3144]

@@Lance_Lough You are simply wrong 100%. Consciousness lives after death ( my scientific discovery) and consciousness has a separate sub-quantum scientific structure within human brain from which everything emerges.( also my scientific discovery ) You are 7 steps away from the depth of scientific knowledge which I have discovered which world stopped in physicalism will not fathom. You are talking from physical brain level and I am talking from deeper levels 6 and 7 - the finest. What did Mr. Ford say - you are right either way whether you say I am right or wrong. Your level of depth of knowledge of consciousness depicts your answer which is perfectly normal for your level of understanding of science which I have discovered is hidden. Don't tell me you have seen the full Moon when you have only seen the emerging Moon....Best wishes...someday soon when I come to America to present then you can hear my new scientific discoveries particularly on Intelligent Design by Creator and then tell me who is wrong. Limited knowledge is dangerous...I can disprove Dr. Eugenic Scot without a shadow of doubt.

[@Detson404]

They can always fall back on “god made it that way.”

[@Patrick77487]

Creationists critiquing evolution. Like termites evaluating Seattle Space Needle.

[@whitegentile8260]

Evolutionists on evolution. Like flat earthers blindly holding onto a faied theory!

[@Patrick77487]

...And god said "Let their be willful ignorance." And it was so.

[@Mark1526374859]

Intelligent design. Ha ha ha.

[@saulayala4970]

Why are you so threatened by creationists? Agree to disagree. Work on the world with your intellect and energy.

[@nnsnumbersandnotesunlimite7368]

Humans have brains. Why do some refuse to use it ?

[@lrvogt1257]

Emotion overcomes their reason. Facts require evidence. Belief requires only the desire to believe.

[@sombodysdad]

Evolution by means of blind and mindless processes cannot account for humans nor brains.

[@degaussingatmosphericcharg575]

@@sombodysdad Yes it can. Your ignorance nor lies do not negate that.

[@Detson404]

@@sombodysdadWhy not?

[@sombodysdad]

@Detson404 Given starting populations of prokaryotes there aren't any naturalistic mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes.

[@jamesschneider2091]

Outstanding scholarly presentation by Dr. Scott. If he were still with us, I'm thinking Charles Darwin would give her an A+ and a hand of applause. My understanding of Creationist world expands - simple minds seek simple explanations in the myth of religion. Then there's that enduring work of literary fiction . . . the Bible book of fairy tales - very human authors unknown. Evolutionary biology reveals the scientifically verifiable truth, while religion poisons young minds with chronic ignorance.

[@johncampbell829]

Even your hero Darwin, stated that if no evidence through the fossil record were not discoverd then his THEORY would hold no water. Now, 150 years later, there are still no fossil evidence recording transitional species. Monkey to a man? Then why are there still primates? They did'nt quite make the cut?

[@derekallen4568]

@@johncampbell829 wow! Did you even watch the video? Did you not see the human and ape sculls? If the British colonized America, why are there still British?

[@jamesschneider2091]

@@johncampbell829 We have overwhelming scientifically verifiable and incontrovertible paleo archaeological-anthropological and DNA evidence confirming human/species evolution. Your argument here is shallow and indicates your lack of education.

[@oldgoat1890]

@@jamesschneider2091 What nonsense. There is no evidence from the science side. I have been waiting for the "Missing Link" since the 60's. I am hardly a Creationist, but the science explanation is also without proof. The people that believe in alien intervention have more proof of their ideas.

[@jamesschneider2091]

@@oldgoat1890 Your psychosis is chronic ignorance.

[@matttcoburn]

Great analysis. It would be good to hear your thoughts of other creationist beliefs outside of the Christian ones. But time is short!

[@TheShootist]

time is short for what? it isn't as if the world would end if everyone decided a super-natural entity created the universe, even if the conclusion was wrong.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

Read Stephen Meyers "Signature in the cell", or Douglas Axes "Undeniable".Read them for yourself because bias is severe.Choose the latter because Meyers book is 700 pages and complex in large part. Axes is half that length and written for the lay person

[@TheShootist]

@@ralphgoreham3516 magic ain't the answer to questions regarding life and its origins.

[@TheShootist]

@@ralphgoreham3516 What do Creationists believe about Human Evolution? Or, the Fraud which is ID. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4vLgGqVfM13fpI

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@TheShootist that Jehovah God directly created them as stated in Genesis. His Son Jesus worked along with His Father. Adam was created 6048 years ago.Jehovah does not use "magic" as atheists scornfully say. Nor does He use magic in creating and maintaining the universe. Eugenie Scott and the majority of scientists say it magically came from an explosion of a tiny pepple. Now that is what you call magic. Nor do any of them explain how life originated. "thats not included in evolution" is their escape route. Bible tells us God is an "abundance of dynamic energy"and his" wisdom is beyond comprehension." Now theres a real scientist for you. He taught Jesus his firstborn angel or son, so that Father and son created erything you see, hear , smell, taste and feel together.

[@intellectualandcreative2717]

There are some stuff in the Bible that is true and scientific but we still can’t disprove evolution

[@akhiltabraham6717]

This lecture contains a lot of outdated informations.

[@ozowen]

It was presented in 2007

[@ringojmusic]

Definition of Christianity….the belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul, that he gave you, that is present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Now that's some FAITH!

[@fatelamore]

Of all the things we could, and should, spend our time and money on, we choose an ancient fairy tale, born of ignorance and borrowed archaic beliefs from previous ages, is quite astounding.

[@sombodysdad]

So you believe in bullshit instead?

[@guitarrens4912]

@@sombodysdad no he doesn’t. He’s not a christian. Wow…….

[@sombodysdad]

@@guitarrens4912 Bullshit has blind and mindless processes producing life and its diversity. Christianity makes more sense that that bullshit.

[@danhtran6401]

For believers, finding God is an achievement and that should be their ultimate goal. It's like finding the missing link to evolution but on a divine scale. I pray one day that God will choose a humble scientist as a prophet to help man better understand his origin. But to answer your question, yes, we have the luxury time to debate on our origin. If you feel you got something else better to do besides knowing where you came from, where you're going after you die, and if there's a God, then go do it.

[@richartsowa9852]

To say that the specific short time recent creation theory, belief model has no scientific evidence is absolutely incorrect! There is a plethora of specific coherent data that solidly and logically backs up relatively recent fast family genre type creation on a relatively much older earth that includes a physical garden of Eden and a subsequent global deluge that coincides with biblical chronology.

[@AMC2283]

there's absolutely no scientific evidence that the gods of your religion exist and did anything, it's your religious belief, and you're entitled to it, that's about it

[@fintonmainz7845]

Why do scientists engage with creationists and flat earthers? If I said I was Napoleon Bonaparte, would you try to persuade me I was wrong? What would be the point?

[@MossyMozart]

@fintonmainz7845 - We have to keep trying to educate people for our own future well-being. And now and then, there is a success when a fire for knowledge is lit.

[@yanassi]

…believe? That’s all they do, believe. There’s never a modicum of an explanation that isn’t from the final edition of the 40 some odd versions of the bible which was not written in old english and then translated without vatican permission by a translator who was killed on vatican orders.

[@allanvrc725]

The scriptures are a system of correction and the standard of a validating acceptance after the supernatural experience that reveals Knowledge from the source. It is best not to learn from each other because error can occur.

[@sombodysdad]

And yet there isn't any evidence that nature can produce life or its diversity. All you and your have is a belief

[@lrvogt1257]

I am constantly amazed that creationists refuse to learn how evolution actually works so they could argue from a position of knowledge. They almost never have any idea whatsoever and build the flimsiest strawman arguments that completely misrepresent the processes involved. They pick at things they just make up in their head and insult science and scientists in general. They do it with such arrogance and authority and they get it all wrong. This has nothing to do with their religion. It's how they get the science wrong.

[@sombodysdad]

Evolution by means of blind and mindless processes is total bullshit. No one knows how it works.

[@WhizzRichardThompson]

@@sombodysdadAh, the argument from incredulity fallacy. Read a few science books on the subject to correct your ignorance

[@sombodysdad]

@@WhizzRichardThompson The ignorance is all yours.

[@lrvogt1257]

@@sombodysdad : You make a great many unfounded assertions and personal attacks yet provide nothing positive to back up your claims.

[@sombodysdad]

@@lrvogt1257 That's your uneducated opinion. But that is all it is. You and yours can't support the claim that blind and mindless processes produced life and its diversity. Start there. Or STFU.

[@edwardthomas6956]

Not a common ancestor but the same Designer?

[@MossyMozart]

@edwardthomas6956 - yeah, that's the ticket! .^_^.

[@b991228]

The science seems to indicate that in the beginning simple organic material replicated with tiny variations and only those offspring that were the most fit would survive to also replicate. What resulted was today’s huge divergent life that we now have on earth and in turn resulted in my own wonder I feel at accepting how science allows us the chance to understand this incredible magic of reality.

[@sombodysdad]

There isn't any science that indicates what you posted.

[@lizadowning628]

@@sombodysdad One cell organisms evolving into multi cellular organisms has been observed in an experiment.

[@tiffsaver]

Really enjoyed this talk. Well-supported, balanced, and interestingly presented. On the subject of Creationism, I find it quite sad that they believe that mankind has not improved himself since we first crawled out from caves, which totally negates the very existence of men like Albert Einstein and Nicola Tesla. That said, Creationists DO have good, scientific evidence that man actually DID live with dinosaurs, when they noticed that, *Fred Flintstone actually lived with a pet dinosaur named "Dino," in their scientifically and historically accurate television show, "The Flintstones."* The Young Earthers also believe that the earth is really only 6,000 years old, not 9,000 years. Reason being, one year in "God's time" is actually 1,000 years, and since God created the entire world in only six days (with one day off for good behavior), this explains their six thousand year hypothesis. However, on the same subject that the earth is only 6,000 years old, may I remind them that my mother in-law is older than that.

[@tiffsaver]

@@jimmyray5524 The LAST place I'm going to go to understand the science of evolution and the origins of man is the Bible. Btw, all of my comments were 100% accurate, all quoted to me by Fundamentalist Christians who all believe that the entire world, and everything in it, was created in one week. Go back to watching TV. You might miss an episode of "The Flintstones."

[@dharmayogaashram979]

Why even give credence to the absurdity of Noah etc.?

[@whitegentile8260]

Why even give credence to the junk theory of evolution?

[@alittleofeverything4190]

For Christians, it's all about believing this or believing that. I'm a biologist and in the course of studies I have never believed in what I learn. You learn and grow in knowledge. Belief doesn't have anything to do with it.

[@sombodysdad]

There isn't any evidence that nature produced life and its diversity.

[@edwintaber6465]

I am pretty sure that treating some of the data with extreme prejudice is not science.

[@vmitchinson]

Genesis was playerized from the epic of GILGAMESH. Samaritan clay tablets have been found and translated telling of GILGAMESH.

[@phillipharrington9201]

this is simply not true. i don't know where you learned history at or if you even know how it works but the entire ancient world knew there was a global flood, even the Delaware Indians have a record of it and where they came from afterward. many genealogies and antiquities writings trace ancestry back to Noah or a similar figure. Gilgamesh reads like a heroic tale found commonly in the ancient and medieval world while Genesis is full of genealogies and reads like a historical text written in the ancient world.

[@vmitchinson]

All one has to do is read Genesis and the Epic of Gilgamesh to see the same info contained in both. Since GILGAMESH was recorded on clay tablets long before the bible was written or copied from previously written information from older civilizations.

[@Ozone280]

Creationists = flat Earthers

[@IIrandhandleII]

They are actually worse.

[@sombodysdad]

But people who blindly believe that blind and mindless processes produced life and its diversity are OK? Really?

[@Ozone280]

@@sombodysdad The problem with people of your mindset is backyard logic. If it doesn't happen in your backyard it doesn't happen anywhere in the universe. I doubt very much that you have any training in biology of any sort. How is it any less probable that life and evolution are purely natural processes than a sky daddy who once lived outside of time and space (whatever THAT means), who had a plan which involved creating and letting a universe run for 14.8 billion years before creating his "chosen ones" - humans - then because of his own stupid rule about not eating fruit from a certain tree, felt it necessary to split himself into two and send his doppleganger down to Earth by raping some virgin teenage girl so he could sacrifice himself to atone for a situation of his own making. Then he cured himself of being dead and came back to heaven to sit at his own right hand? Some sacrifice huh? Really?

[@paulwood6636]

That's not right Ozone.

[@Ozone280]

@@paulwood6636 I know few creationists, but they're all flat Earthers as well. What's more, they're also all conspiracy theorists. Muddled thinking creates muddled thoughts.

[@tommygamba170]

And some people become better than other people. Humm

[@cameronvinson]

is this all by chance and random or is there a reason why these things happen

[@TheAndrewWray]

There is no reason

[@lrvogt1257]

There is a reason for everything but there is no intention or purpose.

[@whatabouttheearth]

There is no meaning other than the subjective meanings one gives existence. It's more probability than "chance" kzbin.info/aero/PLgRoK-eyLjomaNEGNHjb1r8YWbUzVIskd

[@kathybrem880]

Zero reason

[@geoengr3]

It seems to me that there are basically two possibilities: either god(s) invented man or man invented gods. I have never seen any compelling objective evidence for the former. On the other hand we know that humans have imagination and conceive of all manner of things which don't actually exist, thus supporting the latter. I wish the theists would just take their religion as allegory and give up the idea that it was ever intended to be taken literally.

[@sombodysdad]

There isn't any evidence that nature can produce life or its diversity. There isn't even a way to test the claim that nature can.

[@johannuys7914]

@@sombodysdad So that makes the Bible true? You people are priceless.

[@geoengr3]

@@sombodysdad Read an introductory level college Biology textbook. The evidence is there.

[@olorunseunenitolumo]

@@geoengr3 Evidence, what evidence? You know what I have a box of Lego I've been carrying around for few weeks now. My challenge is; I will pay $10,000 to anyone who can cause some of the pieces to come together to form a small wall. The person can subject that box to any imaginable action or reaction as long as no INTELLIGENT agent is allowed to open the box and assemble the bricks to form the sample Be my guest. That is how good the Evidence is, that you have for Evolution in any textbook. I just uploaded a short video for my challenge.

[@sombodysdad]

@@johannuys7914 I am not religious. My point is that your position requires more faith than Christianity.

[@stevebadachmusic]

I don't think I'd ever have become a creationist if not for evolutionists. I can't thank evolutionists enough for opening my mind and heart to God.

[@grahammewburn]

In my day we didn't have TV. When I came home from school I listened to the radio. What does the expression "In my day" mean Does that mean a 24 hour day? Genesis says God made the Earth habitable in 6 days. Genesis 2:4 says "In the day Jehovah God made heaven and Earth. " The Hebrew word used here is also translated week and month. Basically the Hebrew word means Period of time. Genesis 1 says Earth was prepared for life in 6 periods of time. Genesis 2 says "in the day Jehovah made Heaven and Earth. " In our society 7 periods of time (days) = 1 period of time (week). Please note the 6 days of creation relate to what Jehovah did to the Earth not the Universe. Cheers Gray

[@grahammewburn]

@mandellorian In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth Genesis 1:1 The Earth was formless and void Genesis 1:2 Earth already existed. God said "Let there be light" The first day. Genesis 1:3-5

[@lrvogt1257]

It's a poor communicator who's instructions cannot be understood the same way by any two people.

[@grahammewburn]

@@lrvogt1257 yeah I'm old and silly mate. I used to be young and silly. I missed out on getting wisdom. Sorry bout that

[@jasonwiley798]

So the bible has been mistranslated through the years. Does a day mean a day or a period of time. Seems pretty important to a literal interpretation of the Bible. Let' s call a day a billion modern years then

[@grahammewburn]

@@jasonwiley798 It is important. An open mind is also important. If you are seeking truth I'm willing to help. Truth is verifiable.

[@timothymchugh6232]

HOW ABOUT EVOLUTION IS A CREATIVE PROCESS

[@MrCanis4]

Can those so-called creationists explain where the differences between Mongols, Central African, Inuit, Australian Aboriginals, South American first people, . . . . to come from. We 'all' were created in the image of God. Of course you can believe this 'story' if you don't even know that those other groups of people existed, as it was when the stories for that 'book' were collected.

[@MartijnHover]

Well, it is obvious that only people of the pink skinned persuasion have been created in "god's" image, of course.

[@IIrandhandleII]

They explain it by saying non white people were punished by God....

[@chriswhite2151]

So you're saying different races are biologically different.....?

[@MrCanis4]

@@chriswhite2151 where do you find this statement?

[@moses777exodus]

Quantum Physics has shown that Reality is based on Probabilities. A statistical impossibility is defined as *_“a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument."_* The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of a functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more *Rational and Reasonable* to conclude that the cell was not formed by undirected random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.) Furthermore, of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/ 10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more *Rational and Reasonable* to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer while trying to determine the origin of the universe. A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely *Irrational and Unreasonable* hypotheses are what many of the world’s top scientists _‘must’_ believe in and promote because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview. Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, Information, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millenia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by discoveries in Quantum Physics.

[@rustycherkas8229]

You've obviously boned-up on numbers, so let me make it clear that I'm impressed that you use the tools of science and math in an attempt to discredit science and math... As the lady said, even if evolution by natural selection is wrong, that does not mean that it's all just a miracle... The geocentric model of the universe, believed by the religious and used to persecute and execute heretics, has been proven wrong... Science adapts without recourse to "gosh! must be a miracle!". Even if this universe only lasts 10^100^100 Earth years until its heat death, that's just peanuts to infinity. You say "smaller odds than 1 in a million rank as miracles"... Funny how 20 million lottery tickets can be sold and there's often only one winner... Must be a miracle every time that happens!!

[@tonyb8660]

good stuff

[@jasonwiley798]

Let's see following your logic. Creationism has been disproven. Therefore abiogenesis must be correct.

[@icdou8928]

Anyone ever do any breeding at all. ?? Or is this all conjecture??

[@DeniatitadenCompostela]

I am a Christian and accept that evolution is the best explanation of how God created all living things on earth. Heredity science of which Darwin had no idea was proposed first by Mendel an Augustine monk.

[@waggishsagacity7947]

Denia titaden: What has Mendel's religion got to do with his scientific theory? Darwin also was meant to become a man of the cloth, but didn't. So what?

[@ronaldmacpherson3345]

Creationist and intelligent design is not very intelligent

[@tonybaker55]

Just goes to prove that Man created God.

[@Fintoman]

Yes, I agree Tony and many of them too.

[@spyroninja]

Uhh no it doesn't.

[@logicalatheist1065]

Absolutely, every god claim was made up by man

[@ingridlinbohm7682]

God created man and then some men thought they had created God. Did man create the universe ? No. Yet man exists in the universe he didn't create and thinks he is God.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@ingridlinbohm7682 why does the universe have to be created? Evidence??

[@stevenschulte1475]

What do they believe? Who cares, it's not relevant to reality.

[@robertcain3426]

The book of Genesis is not a science book.

[@sombodysdad]

There isn't any scientific theory of evolution.