WHAT DO YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT A DCS F-35A FULL-FIDELITY MODULE???

[@spc83]

I honestly think it'll be the most realistic model yet! Anytime an update "breaks" a core system in the F-35, ED can say that's actually a real software glitch in the F-35 and users need to pay a surcharge to have it fixed...just like the US government.....ok ok I'll see my way out /s

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

No, I think in realism it would be something happens and you have to reboot the computer in the jet.

[@spc83]

@AIRWARFAREGROUP in case of the F-35B sub variant it'll automatically reboot and eject you out of the house

[@Lambda420]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP please no

[@BjornTheF3llHanded]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP which computer?

[@rutrose2000]

Honestly if ED is going to be releasing modules that aren't FF I would rather have the F-117 than a F35. At least that would actually have a place in the MP universe and doesn't broaden the parity gap that is growing between red and blue as much.

[@skipssmn3754]

Id take f117 too

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

A lot of votes for the nighthawk 👍

[@mobius7089]

People don't understand how bored they would be with a 117... The F-35 isn't this magic bullet either, running LO you're a F117 with 2 AMRAAMs. The F-35 has enough fancy toys and tools to distract from less than perfect EW modeling, same as the 18/16 in their current states.

[@rutrose2000]

@@mobius7089 I’m a Cold War MP kind of guy. I don’t see the F35 getting a lot of play time in that setting. Hell a F14 and MIG 29 are severely restricted on those servers. 35 might as well be a space fighter with lasers.

[@AdastraRecordings]

My takeaway is quite simple, ED are being disingenuous about their reasoning for not covering certain modules, and I find this level of dishonesty both frustrating and off putting.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Always a possibility

[@rwhunt99]

Things change, and Ed might think this will bring in the younger gen. As some have pointed out, servers still have control and have the ability to block any assets they choose. I do think that eventually, it will divide the customer base and only sales will determine their path forward.

[@bag-eye]

Reasons change, the market changes, business priorities change. Fact is their main competitor has an f35 and that would have to have impacted ED’s decision.

[@FallenPhoenix86]

​@@bag-eye What competitor has an F-35?

[@RogueSpecterGamingOfficial]

MSFS2020 ​@@FallenPhoenix86

[@hitchcock_]

ED: we dont implement x because there is no documentation or classified ED: lets make an f35, with no documentation and most is classified ME: WTF?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good point...I think it's going to be limited at best. We'll see.

[@AlanTheBest97]

ED NEEDS MORE RED AIRCRAFT

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Agreed! MIG29A is a good start...we have several Cold War Soviet Era Staples but FF SU-27 and SU-34 would be cool.

[@marcosavila8215]

I think ED is taking the same direction of Jaguar "even the bad publicity is good publicity" ED did it, everyone is talking about it.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Interesting, I can see that as they have become comfortable in the negative and positive attention.

[@ilyushka00]

We have actual crew chiefs saying that the F-35 won't be a realistic 'full fidelity' module, so I’d really like to hear from ED in their newsletters and interviews about how they plan to simulate the highly classified systems necessary to claim full fidelity. Not trying to throw criticism, but we do need answers to some legitimate questions. Personally, I'm not interested in the F-35 whatsoever but super thrilled about the ff F-15C, at last. Thank you guys for pushing for it!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

ED has an FAQ on it: forum.dcs.world/topic/367621-dcs-f-35a-official-faq/#comment-5585281

[@mobius7089]

The Hornet is Full Fidelity without the classified systems, the -35 will be no different. The reason people this this is a big deal is because they think the Hornet and other modules are 90% modeled, not the 40% they actually are.

[@bag-eye]

@@mobius7089finally someone gets it

[@dadssimulations]

Virtual hands in vr would be amazing in DCS

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Someone commented that you could use the mouse and against it what is a simulated touchscreen on the screen of your computer but even then I don't like reaching up to grab a mouse when I'm flying in using both throttle and stick and being able to push buttons on my F-18 MIP has convinced me that full cockpit immersion with some balance between aircraft on settings would be nice for all modules.

[@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles]

I think it's a bad idea. Too much of that plane is classified.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

👍 that's why I don't think it's really gonna be considered full functional as most of the DCS aircraft that still have sensitive things about them

[@Cailean556]

I'm of two minds regarding the F-35... For me, personally, on the one hand it's frustrating that ED has gone from saying 'No, we can't do this or that model because of a lack of documentation' to 'We're using open-source data, pilot interviews and airshow footage to make this module and it won't be 100% but it will be the most realistically modelled F-35 in a commercial flight sim'. So they're using the internet, and guess work. On the other, it's going to allow me to get a glimpse of what it's like to take a 5th gen stealth fighter into a combat setting - something I can't do anywhere else, as ED has rightly said. Will I buy an F-35 module? Yes. I have a nearly 12-year-old that wants to join the RAAF and that's what they fly so he'll want to have a go at that and I support his goal - he'd be surpassing his dad's achievements exponentially if he succeeds. But the downside, for DCS, is that you have a 5th Gen western fighter with no comparable adversary/counter. And the only aircraft that could possibly (at least on paper) counter it are unlikely to be coming to DCS any time soon - the Su-57, J-20 or J-31. So now we have this aircraft that has no peers and the only way to beat it is to go MORE modern, MORE technology. AESA radars, AIM-120Ds and AIM-174s/AIM-260s (or Russian/Chinese equivalents). DCS is not ready to address countering F-35s or REDFOR equivalents by degrading the operating environment with stealth/counter-stealth, EW, GPS jamming or any of that. DCS should stick to the Cold War prior to/just after the advent of the AMRAAM - it's where the most parity between aircraft and their capabilities is. But the damage is done in that regard. Perhaps DCS needs to spilt itself into DCS WW2, DCS Cold War and DCS Modern, with modules restricted to work within one of those eras only - to prevent overmatch. There are so many other aircraft choices that could have been chosen (if not by ED for legal reasons, they could - or should - have negotiated with another 3rd party) using those same cited sources - aircraft that fit way better into the current DCS ecosystem than a US 5th Gen fighter. MiG-27, Su-25, Su-27/33, Su-30, Su-34, Su-17/22 (MiG-29 is left out because its already in advanced development by ED, MiG-23 is omitted because RAZBAM were working on it)... Those are the aircraft that are (obviously, in my opinion) most needed in DCS - full-fidelity Cold War-era (and slightly beyond) traditional REDFOR aircraft. There are so many US/western fighters in DCS that the game is pretty much exclusively (there's only a FF L-39, MiG-15, MiG-19 and 21 in DCS so far - JF-17 doesn't count in a Cold War setting and even then it marries eastern with western tech) a Western air force simulator. Arguably, any of those REDFOR jets would sell as much as an F-35. Putting the F-35 into DCS isn't a bad move (commercially speaking, people are going to buy it regardless and in a lot of cases, it's the first plane most kids in Western countries have seen flying overhead), but in a multiplayer setting if you're solely a PvP-type of player, it will be. Unrestricted servers won't be an issue, but servers that impose limits on F-35s mean you can't play on them (unless you have something else to fly also). And, as you pointed out, players need to understand what they're flying and fighting in. In a dogfight, an F-35 will lose to a *clean* F-16 almost every time. But the F-35 isn't designed for dogfighting, the F-16 was. The F-35 wins air combat at BVR ranges. Even the Typhoon is going to have issues against the F-35, unless the Typhoon gets the AESA radar (which I doubt, but you never know). Even then F-35 is still going to see it before it sees the F-35: Kind of hard to launch a Meteor at 100km if you can't detect the target until its within 20km and has already launched an AMRAAM at you that has gone pitbull. Taking your F-35 into gun range (in an unrestricted arena) means you've failed to utilise your F-35 properly and that's on you as the pilot, not the jet. It's not super-manoeuvrable, it's not thrust-vectoring, it's an aircraft optimised for strike and BVR engagement of aircraft that can't see it.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Reminds me of what Ian Christie says… He is his business model may match our needs.

[@madaxe606]

I expect it'll sell like hotcakes - and split the community between: - SP guys who love the idea of obliterating swathes of Redfor targets with complete impunity - Co-op MP guys who love the idea of obliterating swathes of Redfor targets with complete impunity while maintaining exquisitely correct comms - PvP MP guys who will wonder why there's a 50-0 stack on any server with the F-35 enabled.

[@Pricklyhedgehog72]

Fox 3!

[@predattak]

​@@Pricklyhedgehog72 beep beep beep Chaff! Flare! beep beep beep

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I'll take it down with my TF-51D Mustang and an Integrated Air Defense System in my pocket!

[@Pitchlock8251]

All I have to say is, If the F-35, is going to made“full fidelity”. Then where is my Airwolf.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

AMEN!

[@DanBlake3rd]

If you’ve flown the IndiaFoxtEcho F-35 in MSFS, then you can imagine how much detail they are capable of putting in a DCS module. I’m not too worried that it’s not 100% accurate. They can ballpark it and we can enjoy flying it as nearly as anyone else could. I think that it will be somewhere between full fidelity and FC. Need me some Fat Amy.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

👍 I agree it's not gonna be a big deal.

[@shd4618]

This is the correct conclusion.

[@FallenPhoenix86]

Begs the question why potential modules have been killed in the past, Harrier GR7 /Sea Harrier FRS.1 to name two, if making a rough guess was good enough then they could have been completed.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I consider that often and sometimes it's the time and place and what/who we have that can work on it. People come and go. I think people need to know that Igor was the principal programmer and co-owner until he died from cancer in 2018. Nick has done well with the talent retained from the original team, and the additional staff he's picked up. I think if I ask Wags, there's something like 170 employees around the globe and all of them work remotely from home. I tell people ED is doing fine for me, I'll stay with them, and I don't buy what I don't fly!

[@sjolson68]

I believe the actual definition of "full fidelity" is what many people need to be aligned on. The reality is that, in all the IP/NATSEC ways, it can't be - and I hope everyone realizes this for all current modules, as well. This doesn't mean it can't be functional and perform the role it does in real life to an excellent, unclassified level, just like all the other modules do. Qualitative vs quantitative.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good point, and I think you guys have helped me refocus my thoughts on FF. For me, FF is full capabilities with human interface in the cockpit, sometimes beyond Mouse and Screen.

[@fl398motorsports3]

I will play devil's advocate here.... when we have a real world air vehicle with sensors, whether it be an aircraft or a drone, it requires the use of active and passive sensors to "see" it's place in the world and what is in it. In DCS, everything is known to the engine, every aircraft, every ground unit, every single asset. The sensors in the DCS F-35A do not need to be modeled to propogate waves in 1.21 gigawatt frequencies in order to "see" around itself, the game needs to do nothing more than inform the module what it can and cannot see. Everyone is getting wrapped around the "how", all that really needs to be done is the presentation. There is a demo video on KZbin from 12 years ago I just watched that shows a pretty good representation of what the F-35 can do... in an unclassified fashion, I am sure it can do much, much more than what was shown in the video. Honestly, we as DCS players do not need more than that. We do not 'need' the gigawatts to search for and find targets, the game engine already 'knows' where they are at and can provide that information in whatever "realistic" format ED programs into the module.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

👍 good point, and I think it also touches with the FAQ that wags shared with me today. It's in the description now.

[@Hosscoller]

P-38J... A-20G..... A-1D..... A-7E..... A-6E..... F-8....

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good ones all around and I would love to just build a dream sheet for a Vietnam pack.

[@Hosscoller]

@AIRWARFAREGROUP I'm a retired USN Avionics tech... 77-97. And 24 more years with Boeing Avionics Repair Facility... yeah, BARF..... at NAS Lemoore. If it doesn't have Sea legs, I'm not that interested in it. WWII, Korean Era, Vietnam, Cold War.....

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Lots of people are, however, interested in all of that.

[@Pricklyhedgehog72]

A-6 and A-7, and definitely the F-8

[@lemmingt6207]

I play in vr on quest. I interact with current modules with the hand controllers via a laser pointer type situation. Every button just like a mouse.

[@Pricklyhedgehog72]

Interesting

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Nice

[@rwhunt99]

The coolest thing is - no one will force you to buy it !!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I don't plan on getting it, and I was just talking to a friend today in Norway that he and I own relatively few modules compared to most people to buy everything.

[@rwhunt99]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP I think it is a slippery slope to head for, but that's just me. There are many upcoming modules I can't wait to buy, but maybe if the Navy VTOL version comes out, I just might look at it. But; I'm 74 now, so realistically, I don't have many flying years left in me, lol! I am thinking the younger gen might not blink an eye and snap it up. Which I don't mind, ED is letting modders bring in all kinds of different jets that I don't fly and I am still standing, so I can handle it, lol! If it keeps ED moving forward, I suppose it's a good thing.

[@superflyguy4488]

This will kill off every other 4th gen module on MP servers.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

That should be accurate 😉

[@Boots3862]

Clearly can't be full fidelity. Not sure what this means for the direction of DCS. Just have to wait and see what they are trying to tell us...

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Beautifully said 👍

[@ziepex7009]

Gonna be interesting, but im still happy if we get it, even if its not fully modeled to ultra realism

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Definitely gonna be eye candy, sexy 😉

[@Elvinsilvester]

On the TOMCAST there is a video about the F-14D combat systems; maybe Heatblur can now develop the F-14D

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Reminds me of the F-4XYZ model poster we had in the 80s...had everything bolted onto it!

[@kellymcguire1385]

As far as the touchscreen, MSFS already solved that...you just use the mouse. You don't need a physical MFD with buttons for the other aircraft right now, you just use the mouse.

[@Pricklyhedgehog72]

That destroys immersion...and you have no idea how many times i've lost my mouse in VR...

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good point, and I agree with prickly on immersion, which is one of the reasons I went with the F 18 MIP set up so that I didn't have to use my mouse and fly with one hand I could reach up and push a button and flip a switch when I needed to.

[@bag-eye]

The issue of not having full doco for a module has always been overblown, this is true for EDs statements in the past as well. Many elements of all aircraft in dcs cannot be true to life especially things like radar cross section, sensor performance, flight model and so on. This is true even for a 3rd gen aircraft. Added to that is that whilst the underlying way the jet performs a function (eg datalink) is what’s classified, the mere fact it exists is not. I’d say the largest area of risk will be the f35 hmi since it probably evolves very quickly and isnt detail that would be published even if unclassified. It’d be helpful to know they had some unclassified manual available that maps out the various displays, functions, etc.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Well said...thanks!

[@nelogger]

The problem with it is it exposes an incoherence in ED's design ethic we always knew was there. If it's not ok to guess at sensor integration how will they make the F35? If it is ok why haven't they done it for the Hornet?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Check out the FAQ ED put out about the open source information and that they are merely mimicking what is depicted without actually modeling the actual system itself. I mean, they don't create a heat source in a combustion engine to get thrust if you know what I mean 😉

[@nelogger]

@AIRWARFAREGROUP yeah that's my point. So why couldn't they do this for the Hornet TPOD offset logic and MSI? There are publicly available videos showing proper functioning of these systems yet ED said it didn't matter because they didn't have official documentation. They can't have it both ways

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Hey, that's a good point thanks for the clarification. I agree, and do you think the sensationalism around the F 35 is just maybe what they're trying to go for for popularity? It could be a good cash grab that people are talking about. Thanks for the input 👍

[@nelogger]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP absolutely. I believe this was a sales decision, not an artistic one.

[@RobVargas-uk6lo]

It was just announced - so I think realistically it will be in development for at least a few years. I don’t think they would have been able to announce this without approval from the USAF. Now with that in mind the AF may give DCS information on the flight model (and this is a big maybe). But absolutely NO information is going to be shared about the radar, avionics, or weapon delivery systems. So perhaps we will get a Flaming Cliffs type F-35. The DCS video did not say this was going to be a full fidelity model. Let’s all pump the brakes on this one.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Or two weeks

[@RobVargas-uk6lo]

@ Hahaha. Yes 👍

[@Lambda420]

my biggest question is why they didnt pick the b model when thats the one everyone knows

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I don't know, perhaps they're going to eventually expand to have all three models.

[@olereidar]

I’m looking forward to it; it was on the top of my wishlist. For me, high tech is more fun than analog gauges and propellers, although I fly those too. I’ll probably be the closest most of us ever will get to fly one anyway. It’ll be fun flying the Viper and having someone assist you from an F35. Yeah, this is gonna be great 👍🏼

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Now you're talking realism 😉

[@BjornTheF3llHanded]

I think we need to start a book, first DCS pilot to shot down the F-35 in DCS using a the Corsair when that's realeased, maybe the Skyhawk, from a Kiowa and so on 😛😂

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Touché

[@flightsimulatoradventures7246]

F117 would of been cooler for dcs.

[@flightsimulatoradventures7246]

stealth in a sim is programed, we dont need to know how it actually works as long as it does in sim.

[@AdastraRecordings]

Agreed, way more interested in the Wobbly Goblin than the 35.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

👍 "the cockroach"

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I kind of missed most of the video as my World War II goggles were on 🤪

[@flightsimulatoradventures7246]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP was sorely lacking!

[@sloppydog4831]

Well, I love the F-35. I have Dino Cattaneo's versions since the good old Prepar3D. So, yeah, why not? It's a great airplane. My take on it is that it is a watershed moment for DCS. The announcement of the F-35 demolishes any excuse or argument ED had to not develop X or Y module since "we don't have any publicly available information". If we can have a "not-so" fulll fidelity, a module based on public information, pilot input, guesses and estimates, then what is holding back the development of more "full guessability", "mid-fi" modules? Nothing! The floodgates are open for the Su-27, SU-34, Ka-52 and any other module that you can think of. I believe ED is moving DCS to the M.A.C. direction. A more accessible, more open game. In the end in the future, I now see DCS as a Microsoft Flight Simulator environment. An open world, with people flying different fidelity level aircraft as they please. It is the end of DCS World as we know it.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good synopsis of how I feel too. I agree it will be some sort of FF, but just how much is TBD. Thanks Dog!

[@kmcnelley1981]

Elephant in the room is indeed - full fidelity. Edit: ED in general has done a pretty amazing job with DCS. Can’t help but ponder that the JSF could undo what positive credibility they have built over the years. Flip side if JSF is amazing. Having a 5th gen aircraft in the DCS lineup, should expect we would be able to have more 4th gen blue/red aircraft. Particularly if able to create a full fidelity of very limited recourses. Interesting times, good chat.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Thanks Bonkers...I wonder if we'll see the JSF spread of A - B - C variants. Did you like my use of IRL footage to highlight/accompany our discussion?

[@kmcnelley1981]

@ Get the JSF spread? I hope so, as a personal preference anything in DCS that is “Carrier Certified” I’m obligated to buy 🤣. I wonder if Magic Carpet (Precison Landing Mode - PLM) will be modeled with the C variant? Kind of exciting.

[@aztec0112]

The F35 is at LEAST two years away. They show a smoke shrouded teaser and a single image, and the community explodes like a pinched abscess.🙄

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I bet more...I'll be retired or dead perhaps!

[@Runway_Models1987]

It’s probably going to be the indiafoxtecho f-35 from msfs2020, I’m pretty sure all of the buttons are clickable.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Yes, most likely with a mouse for the touchscreen too, but I would like to have the real panel that I can reach up and touch in my cockpit like I do my F 18 MIP

[@TheRaptorXX]

DCS seem to have opened the relative 'can of worms' with this one don't they? Great piece this Juice and PH so thanks for this. 👍👍👍

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Hey, thanks Raptor! Most of the rumbling will be in people's thoughts of it. I'm sure some people will buy it and some people won't but I don't see myself picking it up with other stuff that I already have planned.

[@Zackwpilot]

The thing that is scary is the slippery slope. Right now, even with all the issues, we have a good thing going in DCS, when they start lowering the bar for cash grabs they learn they can keep doing less and making more..... before you know it we'll have a ton on jets in DCS but most will be MSFS quality. Take a look at Captain Sim, back in the day they made some pretty good stuff for FSX and P3D but then they discovered with MSFS they could reskin a 747-8 to look like a 777 and sell each variant for like $30, the "simmers" were pissed and the gamers kept giving them money so they kept on doing it. I think my and others fear is that when you start making concessions to chase money, it could be the beginning of the end for the true combat flight sim. The gamer community is always going to be bigger and have more market cap, true full-fidelity simmers are niche and if DCS leaves that niche....we really have nowhere to go. Just one mans opinion.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good point, it would be sad if they sabotage themselves with something like that...I hope they don't!

[@Vike1121]

F35 lets go

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

👍

[@mesobean]

Personally I love the F-35, but it really doesn’t make sense to add it. The F117 would make much more sense to add as a stealth aircraft, while the F18 super hornet should of been added before a 5th gen aircraft. Either way I’m still buying fat Amy when she comes out

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I don't see myself getting it as I've got other stuff on my to do list and don't tell anybody, but I am looking at traveling more and being out in the world in retirement. 👴 uncle JUICE.

[@veespike]

I honestly thjink if they are going ot do this, they should let Grinneli update his F22 mod as well.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Contact Joe directly and encourage him! Good idea...Thanks.

[@ayylmao1558]

I really hope it will have the towed decoy

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

>-------------------I'm towing it now! Does our F/A-18C have it?

[@kasmiller9289]

I’m excited for the F-35A. It will be simulated based on what a system does, Based on publicly available data. That’s the case for all modules. Will it be 100% accurate. No. Are any of the modules 100% accurate. No.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

👍 probably the best summary I've seen so far, thanks! 😉

[@dannowak6468]

F35? Why? What is it going to fly against? Definitely will not be buying it. ED has so many holes to fill in its historical match ups why a 5th generation plane?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I agree, I don't see myself getting it either.

[@johnwicks4936]

They're months behind on halfghanistan so you can talk about this until we're blue in the face. This won't be out in 2026.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

That's a 2062

[@jamesmcd71]

I know people are all excited about the F35. But lets come back to reality. DCS has pushed pass the capabilities of the game engine. We as a community should be telling ED to focus on building a new foundation. Most of us have at least 8 core CPUs. ED has done miracles by getting a single core , single thread platform to outsource some task to other cores. But still 95% of the game is run on 1 core. Can we please get a game DX12 so we can use the CPU and GPU as intended.

[@tondara0]

Yay. why not?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Oh, you can do it… It's just that it wouldn't be real. It might be real fun though 😀

[@mtnmist1]

Completely agree it's a cash grab on non-traditional expectation of "full fidelity". I have zero interest in using it or being in servers that host it. That said, I'm happy for those that want it, but be careful of managing expectations.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

I'm feeling it could be...or at a minimum seem to be perceived as a cash grab. Part of me is feeling with the Dynamic Campaign that we are entering the third phase of ED...the Gamer phase were the folks that complain the most get their toys. I joined when the community was full of nerds and short-attention-span kids didn't like it because it was "too hard to learn" and I loved those days.

[@michaeldwyer3466]

My thought is that if it appears on a PVP server no one on the Red side is going to be remotely happy about it. It will be mostly irrelevant to my my small group as we do an even mix of missions from WWII to modern, but i doubt anyone will get it or seriously consider it full fidelity.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

True, good comment! Thanks!

[@canconservative8976]

99% of DCS Pilots wouldn't know FF if it hit them over the head....really? what are you comparing it to?, unless you are "Mover and Gonky" who flew F16/18 and their comments are in approval of the current FF flight models.... the lack of G-Forces on the person rules out FF anyway!.... Fully clickable is my yardstick, I can't stand modules with INOP. I say bring it on, as best you can (again it's going to have 5 years of tweaks to the FM anyway)... Make sure that C130 makes the cut... And don't even bother making another Video (ED) unless it's about the DYNAMIC CAMPAIGN !... a persistent world is needed...ASAP.... My $49.99 for the Dynamic Campaign Module is waiting.....

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Did I say that? Sorry this morning was so long ago. I don't even remember what we said. Thanks for the feedback though.

[@solonemanuelwhitetigernava571]

I would love an F-35 in DCS but it doesnt have sense if the aircraft will not be simulated unless or 90% accurate...but this make me a reason to ask for an F-15EX in the future...

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Interesting you say that, I haven't shared this before, but I was given access to the F-15EX back in July but I couldn't view or record in the cockpit. I did a follow-up visit a few months ago and toured the fighter squadron and aircrew equipment shop but I asked if I could visit a jet and I was told, sorry but we can't. Imagine that aircraft...totally new inside with Eagle lines and MudHen's passenger capacity. I'll take one, but maybe not now with the F-15C coming!

[@Wrootplonk]

I'm really curious as to how ED plans to pull off the sensor-fusion that the F35 has, as well as just how well they can model it in general. As I've said in other places, it's not a module I'll buy due to not having an interest in it *within DCS*. Yeah, it's a mindblowingly interesting aircraft due to the systems it has, but for DCS? Eeeh....not so sure about that. If it is a cash-grab for the WT-crowd and if it's only made in order to help pull people into the sim, that's not all bad. More money means more modules and hopefully a deeper simulation in general. Where I think the benefit of developing the module for DCS comes from is if it results in a better radar- and EW-model that can be expanded into the DCS-core. Being able to sell it as a module is just icing on the cake.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Excellent points I have changed my ETA from two years to five years from now on this module 🤣

[@TomP-148]

I would get "black listed" if I said what my thoughts are.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

OK Tom, you've peaked my interest… How do you feel about it?

[@ambientlightofdarknesss4245]

I take the opinion that it's just a marketing stunt. Get ppl talking about DCS bad and good. Keep in mind, it's been what 5+ years since they showed off the Corsair and it's yet to come out. ED will definitely keep it in development hell, only showing progress if hype for DCS dies down.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Wow, has it been that long?

[@_DANZIG_]

Arnold Schwarzenegger says: WHHRROOONGGGGG!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

And he'll be back.

[@Pricklyhedgehog72]

It's not a tooma

[@RagsHSC-7]

🤔🤔🤔. Super Hornet, I do know the parameters in which you speak or don't..... I don't know how the f35 would fit in being a liability as in the past. One went off the deck on a bolter Wheels extended and they had to stay on point until it was retrieved. I believe with a super hornet they would have left it. Just bailed the pilot out unless it's a 5 Texaco per se. Grab the front and backseater and call it a day. Get another one. I don't know how in the world to be able to do that with the f-35

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Oh, it was just always an excuse of why we wouldn't get a super hornet among the community members because everybody speculated that it was too classified or still to modernly relevant in the current warfare environment. In a lot of this, no we can't do that with the community not ED or anybody in particular on the development site. Just one of the rambling excuses of why we can't do something that used to go through the community years ago and still does sometimes.

[@RagsHSC-7]

@AIRWARFAREGROUP 🫣🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@dougford7568]

I say F-35A yay all day long.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

🫡

[@Twelve.O.Clock-High]

They need revenue and younger player base. The level off details what HB and Razbam delivere, they cannot so simple is that. Eagle needs maintain core of dcs, adding new stuff like dynamic campaign, weather, fulkan and more. Let be honest it’s not a big gaming company like ea, or Ubisoft. That’s my take on it.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Excellent comment and I was just thinking of 10 years. This is the third phase that we may be going into that I've seen DCS change since I got into it back in 2015 early on.

[@ThisguyisDonJohnson]

So how OP will the F35 be in DCS?

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Well, again, in the right hands, it could be very OP but I doubt many many guys will actually use that with discipline and dedication to learning needed to get to that point. I mean with what you're saying about dominance "OP" we could basically have an AI aircraft do that.

[@ThisguyisDonJohnson]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Unlike the AI in DCS good pilots will return to base to refuel and rearm, and if ED are trying to model the F35 to real life (coz thats what we expect) Its gonna make weekend players OP, so much situational awerness and information available to the pilot. 😬

[@YETI-99]

F35 before a super hornet? I'm just not seeing the need for a 5th Gen airframe nothing in any mp server is prepared for this smells like a 100 cash grab.

[@predattak]

Well.. the mig majority of players play offline and/or coop. So only pvp servers will be affected, that is if they won't balance it.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Many agree, I'll hold that theory until more is known...actions speak loudly.

[@pieterburger976]

This module CANNOT be true full fidelity because the public isn't going to get access to full manuals and study-level material to master flight characteristics, weapons and systems.. At most we're going to get "crash-course" summaries on how everyone thinks or suspects the systems and avionics are supposed to work. Just my thoughts.. could be mistaken...

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

That's kind of how I feel...yet someone pointed out to me that even the aircraft we do have aren't totally full capable and mostly full-fidelity modules.

[@pieterburger976]

@ True. It just contradicts EDs previous statements about other highly requested modules which they declined and why they "can't" make those modules. Why not have the same approach to eastern bred aircraft? Surely they can apply the same processes to aircraft like the Su-30, or other even older machines? This is a cash grab and I will only change my mind if they start adding eastern aircraft with the same kind of thinking as with the F35. (Talk to pilots, take into from airshow displays etc.)

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

At the end of the day, they know what they want to take on and what they can't at the moment. Opportunity may have landed in their lap with the JSF.

[@patrikstrandquist1875]

I am looking forward to the F-35. I see no reason for ED to release something else then a full fidelity model of this plane. To be fair, this planes first flight was in 2006, its 20 years old. This type of plane ages quickly, its key features are its sensors and electronics, and those are 20 years old as well. Imagine playing DCS on a 20 year old PC =) Finally for those who don't like it, don't buy it when it arrives.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good point and I think I should clarify that what I mean is is it really gonna be full Fidelity or is it gonna be a mix of stuff because there's some things in a touchscreen that you can't make real without either using a mouse? And I guess I also should've clarified that having a panel or control or peripheral that's modeled after that in the jet is gonna be something it's gonna be needed. I should get with Wayne now on releasing the F 35 panel.

[@mastersheff37]

I don't know what anyone is talking about (being all upset about this, that is) because i NEVER see anyone posting about how the Jeff.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

The Chinese/Pakistan project?

[@mastersheff37]

Yup. The JF-17 module is absolutely NOT full fidelity in the way of the A-10 or the F/A-18.

[@ThePixelPew]

F22 is what I want

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Wrapter Love....

[@jarllunde]

If they can make an f-35 dispite all the classificacion, then they can make an su-35 or su-57

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Good point!

[@bulletstop100]

Why not the Super hornet first and sorry, I do not think it will be to the same standards. I hope I am wrong!

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Sorry, our comments were just about some of the things people have said "why we can't get a Super Hornet" because the data isn't totally available. But things change. We have to remember that ED usually won't do one unless they can verify the data in programing.

[@TOMCATnbr]

Even if i would kill to have a Rafale full fidelity on DCS, i think that the typhoon is already out of the game and didn't have a real good opposition on dcs right now. So i will not even talk about the F35. Dcs should (in my humble opinion) stay in WW2, Cold war, and to the most Gen 4 planes (irak and Afghanistan war planes). Planes that are old enough to have all or almost all the info to make them true full fidelity. I don't want to fly war thunder planes on DCS, i want to fly plane that are as close to their real conterparts as possible. And it's impossible with the F35 or the Typhoon. Too much sensible/top secrets systems. Plus i want planes that fits into era or war. Not planes that are on their on league and fit nowhere.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

French aircraft carrier would be awesome to go with that 😉

[@TOMCATnbr]

​@@AIRWARFAREGROUP i can't agree more with that 😉

[@johnnyc.763]

LOL ED: 'We can't make a current gen Russian fighter cuz Russian Govt won't let us.. But we'll make an F-35!' wtf

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Won't let them, or they just don't want the Heat for their developers in Russia...it started there, but only a small team still exists in Moscow and the company is now registered in Switzerland. But valid comment, I guess.

[@johnnyc.763]

@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Regardless, this sim has established itself as 'the most realistic fighter simulation', 'aircraft are full fidelity'.. Sorry, but this F35 is just gonna be like the one in MSFS that just goes pew pew.. I would not be surprised if it actually is the IFE one being ported into DCS.

[@franciscoborges9591]

now we gonna have alien tech this will be crap😅

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

🤣 I want the aircraft from oblivion.

[@Ecthaelyon]

Horses for courses. I have no interest in the F-35 but I can understand why ED are touting it and, well... Meh. Just a shame it couldn't have been an F-8 Crusader, F-105D or G, F-111E or F, RAF Tornado Gr.1, Sepecat Jaguar Gr.3a, H.S. Buccaneer S2, etc. Certainly good news on the F-15C and Saab Draken though.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

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[@garethhughes5745]

Too modern. Lots of automations. Not interested. Plenty of legendary jets have not been done and this would be last on my list right next to the Typhoon.

[@AIRWARFAREGROUP]

Me neither, not my cup of tea when I don't have everyone else doing their part in the team battlefront environment, I'd just settle for a back seat in an Apache and die with dignity.