What does it take to BEAT Shiyu Defense? Guide and Showcase - Zenless Zone Zero

[@AverieS820]

To me Shiyu Defense feels easier then Abyss in Genshin, might be just because it's still early in the game's life, but once you get decent-ish discs and solid teams it's not too bad.

[@scaletta5847]

I find Abyss easier, but again I've been playing for years

[@brodericksiz625]

Agreed. I used Corin on one half and, while she didn't clear as fast as Ellen on the other half, she definitely was more than enough to S-Rank that b*tch. The funny thing is that my disk builds are okay, nothing stellar at all in either side. My Qingyi has three level 0 disks in her build lol. Honestly, I'd like for that other Shiyu Defense, the one with unlimited time and enemies that hit really hard, to also be repeatable. I think harder enemies with unlimited time is more fun than easier enemies that you need to beat in X amount of time.

[@seppuku404]

@@AverieS820 agreed. I used a level 51 jane doe with a level 10 seth and level 10 lucy with no drive discs and i was still able to S rank up to frontier 6 and A rank frontier 7. Just need to master the timing in those perfect assists and dodges and you're good in this game. Abyss in genshin is a whole different beast compared to this one.

[@FeixiaoLiao]

In Genshin, I can full stars in version 2.6 In HSR I can full MoC in 1.7 In ZZZ I already full S Shiyu Defense just in first phase on 1.1 Definitely easier

[@insertnamehere2022]

Very easier yes genshin abyss is full of bullet sponges, ZZZ isn’t doing that yet

[@MrLightjimmy]

I kind of regret not getting Zhu Yuan because anytime there is an ether/ice weakness I literally have nothing. I plan on getting the Samurai Fox girl though

[@un_belli_vable5506]

Yeah I stopped playing after 1.0 and I couldn't get zhu yuan, I came back to start saving for Miyabi. I hope she's on 1.3

[@rai1342]

@@un_belli_vable5506 likely to be on Ver.1.4 but hey that’s more polys for ya

[@MrClaus.]

1.5 IMO she'll probably power creep Ellen too

[@un_belli_vable5506]

@@rai1342 I'll wait for 1.3 drip marketing. If she's not in 1.3 and most likely in 1.4 then I'll probably pull for caeser since I have enough pulls for both

[@EYang-hl6hv]

Yeah if you didn’t get Ellen or zhu you’re kinda out of luck against ether bosses right now :/ hopefully we’ll get a third ether unit soon tho

[@chillhour6155]

Remember everyone, this game is only 2 months old, don't try to force rush endgame content because you are trying to compare you're account progress with others in a PvE only game

[@TaviiCatniss]

Been clearing with ZhuYuan team and an soldier 11 team since launc. And this one was the easiest yet

[@weirdguysausage1334]

Damn! Same bruv, vertical investment with those two and their supports, Lucy and Nicole!

[@William.Williams]

@@weirdguysausage1334 doing the exact same bc i lost 2 50/50s to W-E and 1 to a second soldier 11 xd (my acc is cursed)

[@wan4278]

Took me 3 patches from when I started to 36* abyss in Genshin, I got it on Hu Tao release back in 1.3. For ZZZ I was able to full clear Shiyu before Jane came out, with only Zhu Yuan as a limited character, and then Soldier 11 on the other side. Leveling characters feels rough in ZZZ but because our teams don't require as many, its not too bad. Tuning disks helps a lot too.

[@Inmediostatvirtuss]

same bro, getting Hu Tao and ayaka was the goal back then for me Here in zzz I got zy and a cracked corin, fortunately the rng gods blessed her discs, so this shiyu was fairly easy

[@DoctorDozy]

Honestly Shiyu Defense really isn't too bad as long as you have 2 decently built DPS characters at lvl 60 and 1-2 stunners (depending on the DPS you're using). Last SD cycle was the first one I managed to clear all stages with S Rank and it was mainly because I got Jane Doe for my second side. Up until that point I'd been using a level 40 Corin and it was a REAL struggle. The amount of difference leveling a character to 60 makes is enormous.

[@LemonSBugz]

True, things were hell before I got Jane Doe. Gacha Character really changes the game.

[@zeseku1493]

the biggest issue i personally felt until getting one of the limited characters is simply that all shiyu defense 7 so far had one side with physical resistance, most of our accessible chars are physical

[@rindos-mom]

Yeah I didn't get Ellen or Zhu, so my options for both halves are Nekomata, Jane, or Piper, all physical 😭

[@armandbadguy10]

I have the same problem. I have neko and corin 🥲. I am thinking of investing in Bro Anton to have another element dps.

[@henryrichardson2868]

@@rindos-mom yea but anomaly isnt as bad as crit against phys res. jane should do fine in those parts

[@lewsee5562]

​@@henryrichardson2868Anomaly build up slows down against element RES so your clear times will still be lower than it should. Not sure how bad though.

[@ryancorro-sp6gv]

​@@lewsee5562 this is the reason why im glad jane has very fast normal attack animation speed, she can still build anomaly at a decent rate against enemies that resists her, also all her attacks build anomaly unlike some nail gun bangboo maniac i know :v

[@nerio1227]

Also a good f2p advice is that you don't really need to focus on weaknesses with S rank characters. They are enough enough to clear any floor but only if the said floor has no resistance to that element. Yes it will be longer but is perfectly doable. That's how I cleared all SD wtih S ranks by the beginning of 1.1. With A ranks you preferably need the element weakness though.

[@aryabarry7127]

yeah i only use 1 S rank agent (zhuyuan) and go with piper corin lucy on the other team u could replace zhuyuan with ellen no problem

[@Makocat]

This is what I did when I had Ellen/Soukaku and Zhu-Yuan/Anby/Nicole. You could easily swap the teams to cover any scenario. Now I also have a physical thiprd team since the past 2 banners were phys S rank agents but I never expected to S rank Shiyu with just Jane Dope and an underleveled Lucy along any of the previous two teams. Jane do is broken right now even without her best gear and teammates.

[@zangx874]

my luck in zzz is shit. i only have qingyi as character event, but i still can full star the shiyu defense with team 1: anton (m6)- qingyi(m0) - nicole (m2) and team 2: piper (m2) - seth (m2) - lucy (m2). and i can say that shiyu defense more more easier than spiral abyss in genshin IMO.

[@zinbrew]

good to see bro anton getting out

[@captainp367]

ZZZ endgame is much easier than the other 2 hoyo games edit - Yeah we will see how it goes later on, but for now comparing all 3 for starting endgame ZZZ is way easier than the other 2 hands down. From my experience in all 3 ZZZ requires way less investment in characters for full clear too compared them.

[@Dminatr-rr4qu]

I forgot people couldn’t even beat the story mode boss adventurine in star rail despite having Acheron the most Broken character in that game which is why they have added a ‘casual’ difficulty in the most recent update…

[@stewie_]

Yeah. So far at least.

[@insertnamehere2022]

It’s still 1.1 that’s why, just wait until they keep giving us more and more broken characters and increasing the health of enemies later on 💀

[@cuthalion9573]

@@Dminatr-rr4qu Its more about story progress for newer players. I had a tough time against Aventurine as well cuz my i started playing in 2.1 and everything was undergear and underlevelt. Was kinda annoying that i couldn´t progress the Story and missing Boss Materials etc. Its more about new player friendly, then dumb player friendly.

[@PlsGiveMeLuckRNGesus]

easier until they add SD 8,9, and 10 (like MoC 11 and 12 on HSR) i agree though, i was able to clear Shiyu way faster than i was able to clear abyss (cleared on 2.X) and MoC (cleared on 1.2) when i started Genshin and HSR on 1.0.

[@arisenpai]

09:13 Incredible advice here, seriously. I got way better at the game when my own characters mechanics became second nature and my focus started going primarily on the enemies instead.

[@ludkovic]

Struggled but finally cleared shiyu defence earlier this week and i totally agree with looking at the enemy instead of your own character! felt abit like driving haha

[@Duh_won]

Being able to target certain disk drives through the music shop made getting gear much quicker in comparison to Genshin. Probably has a good amount to do with why people were able to clear all seven stages sooner than Genshin with the Abyss

[@poppythecat454]

Thank you so much for doing this video as I do find it very difficult with my team.

[@susiapriani6267]

Finally cleared Shiyu Defense all S ranks yesterday :D Thankfully I'm blessed with Zhu Yuan and Jane Doe for my two teams, it's not too bad Jane Doe makes big difference for me

[@taikobo6943]

I was really curious about this honestly Great video

[@Chaos1091]

This is a cool video! Loved your tips, though for me im not in a rush. I'm IK Level 53 and still havent started grinding for discs as im trying to get my character levels and skills good before that. I have did some Shiyu and stop once i dont fufill requirements for running a stage and just go back to working on characters. Though i love i can go at my own pace but love seeing everyones experience so far in the game.

[@Elven_Red]

I was able to easily S-rank with the same teams you used (only difference was lucy instead of soukaku), while still learning how to properly play Jane. It seems to me that shinyu will be mostly about character selection, as long as you keep at least a competent team around involving each of the elements so you can exploit type weaknesses, you'll be good to go. And since so far it seems the bosses only ever have one type resistance, as long you as you have 3 competent teams based on different elements, you will have a decent chance at exploiting the weakness in one side, while not being hindered by the resistance of the other side

[@zollen_boyyy6419]

i really love ur standard for an f2p. chars with "shitty"ish disks and some underleveled skills. the mindscape is kinda forgiven bcus of it. i really like it. hope you maintain this level of f2p -inity in the future nowadays, with gesnhin as their first gacha game and all, people yappin on internet thisnk f2p as just simply "no money spent", which is not where the point is. im glad u understand this

[@remu002]

you can turn on manual chain attack and whenever you see an attack is going to chain the enemy that you dont want just hold down the button the there will also be no slow-mo

[@Erideah]

I think I was twenty seconds off S rank or so, I'm not retrying before Jane is somewhat built, she had mostly level 0 drive discs on for the first try; might as well have a goal to build her for

[@Trime8istus]

being an f2p player who got really luck at release getting m1u1 Ellen and a m6 Anton with a m2 Grace (she is m3 now) I managed to win my first shiyu defense 7 in the previous version after getting Jane and Seth, grinded a bit and got an S rank. And in the current version I kinda did half what I can do half what's intended for this cycle. I went on the first half with Ellen, Anby (I still don't have Lycaon) and Soukaku, while in the second half I went with Jane, Seth and Grace, I won with about 5 seconds remaining to S rank this time

[@Crytica.]

I finally got all the Shiyu Defense levels beaten on S and I have to say I did not use the f2p characters. For most of my runs I used either my freeze team with Ellen, Soukaku and whatever character I felt fit the third spot for that specific fight. For other fights I used my 3 man build of Qing Yi, Nicole and Zhu Yuan which are beast for fights that aren't even in their favor. And for the physical and most difficult battles I honeslty had a 2 man team running of Jane and Seth because I don't have a character good enough to really fit the third spot. I feel that the Jane + Seth build really can improve with a strong third but will really suffer if you *do not have a strong third* . That's why I kept it as a 2 man team (And easily won all the physical fights). Whereas the physical fights were the most difficult for me for a long time at Shiyu, I now come to realize that Thanatos is the biggest piece of crap around lol (Even more so if he has a bodyguard around).

[@bjornnilsson2941]

I haven't tried the new Shiyu that just dropped, but I did manage to S-rank across the board on the last one this weekend. For me it was the second team archetype (minus Qingyi who I lost 50/50 to, m6 Anby instead), but it looked like the first archetype in terms of clear speed. I think I had 10 seconds remaining before I woulda lost the S on floor 7. Jane(M0)/Seth(M1)/Lucy(M3) and Zhu Yuan(M1)/Anby(M6)/Nicole(M5). Both DPS are on craftable A-rank W-engines. I don't what I'm doing wrong to just be scraping by with those teams, I feel like my drive discs are well above average... That Zhu Yuan run in the vid looked like cheating to me lol, no amount of crit subs could make that magic happen. Same with other runs I've seen with like Billy clearing node 7 in 30 sec. edit: To be fair this was S-ranking on the first try with no resets maybe I could have had a full minute to spare if I'd really tried to optimize the fight or whatever.

[@blaze_burn]

F2P and my teams are: Jane Doe : Piper : Lucy Ellen Joe : Von Lycone : Soukaku Easy clears

[@insertnamehere2022]

Replace Piper with Seth???? Jane and piper are fighting for field time 💀

[@Proxi-mane]

@@insertnamehere2022 Its fine swapping both Jane and Piper they both build up assault meter significantly and its a win win situation.

[@insertnamehere2022]

@@Proxi-mane if you say so 💀 You’d be better off with Seth buffing your anomaly than running 2 on field dps

[@Proxi-mane]

@@insertnamehere2022 Fair, but I said they can use both Jane and Piper assuming they don't have Seth and he is a f2p, you might get a off banner A Class character and Anby alot but Optimal team wise Seth is indeed better no hate replacing piper.

[@insertnamehere2022]

@@Proxi-mane super unlikely if you pulled Jane and got 0 Seths, I know it’s possible but 💀

[@AlexBoshyTime]

in ZZZ only endgame that can cause trouble are: shiyu (with 8 floors and no time limit) and nest 11/11. first one because u need to dodge/parry or you screwed, and second due to random in hollow (you have to plan your moves and resonias), however with jane doe release (and i can foresee with future agents) - i can be sure that any and every endgame content will be easily cleared with highest rank (i'm playing mobile btw :DD). so yeah you can go billy-piper-lucy for 2nd side (to cause assault & disorder more frequently), and whatever you got for 1st side (S11, Koleda, Sharky, Zhy, etc.). p.s. some 4* w-engines are cracked and quite competitive with signature 5* w-engines

[@Zolwiol]

I had more succes with Billy-Ben-Lucy. Ben's 16% crit rate works wonders for Billy. Especially in that agressive enemies mode where you can't really use Piper to her full. You lose on the ult damage but critting all the time more than makes up for it.

[@lukeamparo6586]

Pro tip for Razor, turn off damage numbers. It makes it easier to see his telegraphs like the glints of light before he shock punches you.

[@jacobseil7996]

I've only pulled an M0 Zhu Yuan and have 300 pulls saved currently. Despite this, I've had no trouble full clearing the last 3 shiyu 7s. Team 1: Zhu Yuan, Anby, Nicole Team 2: Soldier 11, Lucy, Ben

[@MADba111]

- In Genshin it took me more than one year to 36* abyss iirc. - In HSR it took me maybe half a year to full star MoC consistently. - While in ZZZ I did my first full S rank clear yesterday. And my characters aren't even fully leveled yet. Dps's are 55 lvl, supports are 50, all weapons are 50 lvl and drive disks are pretty mid, also not even fully leveled. So far, the game is much easier than previous Hoyo titles at release. I'm sure it will get harder as time goes on. They already introduced Jade Doe and Mountain lion bosses that have varied move sets and hit like a truck. Just hope they don't go the Genshin route - simply inflate HP+Attack value to make enemies spongier and call it a day.

[@CrimsonMonarch]

I guess I'm just bad cuz I'm about the same except DPS at 60 and still can't clear floor 7. I think Genshin also took me a year but HSR I was clearing by 1.1. Maybe I just suck at action games these days, too old haha

[@MADba111]

@@CrimsonMonarch I may have also just gotten lucky with the character pulls. I got M1 Jane Doe, M1 Rina with her signature W-engine and M0 Zhu Yuan to carry my ass this time. Not sure if I'll be able to S clear the next Defense rotation. Especially if it'll be Pyro buffed or something similar. Though pretty sure I'll be able to A rank it at least, so it's still better than when I barely got 3 stars in floor 11 of GI's abyss.

[@Jinhski]

1 year for genshin is wild, everyone was clearing that during zhongli's banner at minimun wtf?

[@MADba111]

@@Jinhski zhongli was in second patch tho? No way most ppl 36 starred the abyss by then. Most people didn't even have time or resources to fully build one team yet, let alone two good ones. And we're talking about f2p. Zhong literally was my first limited 5 star. I think I didn't even clear first 8 floors at the time. Lots of people can't do a full star clear even now. Heck, I sometimes stop trying to get 9 star floor 12 even now. Very rarely, but still. Especially hate it when they get several chonky shielded electro Abyss Lecters in there. F+cking despise those guys.

[@Elven_Red]

@@MADba111 the limited characters in this game are really strong, before Jane I used S11 and it was kinda painful

[@Makocat]

The first shiyu defense we got was hard for me mainly because I wasn't level 50 yet and I didn't want to get proper disks just yet. So I had mostly S rank. Then A rank and lastly B rank. Since then and after so much farming and adding so many new characters to my roster I can tackle almost everything the game has thrown at me. I only need a good electric and fire team now but that's a long term goal. Missing Qingyi and Seth means I'll have to use my Grace and Anton on

[@justmatrix3402]

I use my premium Jane Doe and Zhu Yuan teams for Shiyuu but I imagine Nicole and Soukaku can help well for ftp. If you have one of the limited, one half should be good. 👍

[@kaikawasumi]

I'm F2P & it's been pretty easy for my account ever since the nerf. My two teams are: M0 W0 Zhu Yuan/M0 W0 Qingyi/M6 Nicole M1 W1 Soldier 11/M6 Ben/M5 Lucy I think a bit of investment goes a long way. Zhu players are also at a big advantage over Ellen players. Ellen was always a trap imo as a beta player who knew Zhu was crazy for a 1.0 character.

[@pulledporc5334]

I think we're just getting to the point where day 1 free 2 play players should be built enough or close to being built enough to get S in Shiyu defense, assuming they picked up 1-2 of the limited 5 stars and aren't saving it all for Miyabi, lol. I cleared it pretty comfortably with Ellen on one side and Zhu Yuan on the other, but definitely got super lucky with my free 2 play pulls to get both of them.

[@gabrielgelen767]

Having Ellen and Zhu Yuan as my main DPS's really bite me because Ellen is useless against second half, I do have a third Electric team with Anton but it could not deal with the insanelly tanky boss. So I built Piper and got S with 30 seconds to spare (Lv 55, Lv 50 WE, E Core, Lycaon and Rina as team)

[@DiogoVKersting]

I managed to get S rank using Ellen first side and Jane second side.

[@Admerelech]

For me you can get away with 2.5 minute clear on one side with a limited DPS even if the enemy is resistant to their element, for 4 star DPSes you'd want their most valuable mindscapes to even get close to a 2.5 minute clear and the enemy NEEDS to be weak to their element

[@PlsGiveMeLuckRNGesus]

Previous SD i was able to clear with Zhuyuan + Qingyi + Nicole and Piper + Koleda + Lucy quite easily and did it first try. now i got Jane, i cleared it with even more ease lol, I got like 2 mins+ left to spare lol

[@Kindi001]

as f2p and quite lucky its kinda easier for me to clear Shiyu defense than MoC in HSR back then, Abyss in genshin, or even Tower in WuWa. the investment i out in ZZZ not that high but the limited character really help. Having Ellen Zhu yuan for now is enough and having qingyi cherry on the top stuner. and not money spend, back in HSR i can Clear MoC on Blade banner fully 10 floor back then, with same time i spend on ZZZ so uea its quite easy. in genshin, on Hutao banner which is 3/4 month because elemental. check and i dont have any pyro dps.

[@whimazjunior5746]

I'm f2p and completed it "easly", my only well build agents are Ellen, Jean and Soukaku, the rest just have disk lvl0 for some stats, and some skills upgraded. My mains are lvl 60, the others are between lvl 20-50. Right now I'm foccusing on building Billy and Nicole Nicole is my only Ether Dmg (since we have only 2 Ether Element) And Billy has so many Crit Rate free stats easly so free dmg

[@EYang-hl6hv]

I’ve been super lucky f2p to have zhu yuan, qingyi, AND Jane and Seth and had just broke the ik50 cap to start making my DPS level 60. Shiyu 7 this cycle was a breeze and now I’m trying to see what I can do without limited banner characters (which are where most of my investments are rn)

[@ChefONator5000]

As a 1.0 genshin player it took me a year until I can 36 star abyss, with ZZZ it just took me Zhu Yuan, Anby, Nicole | Anton, Grace, Rina, in the first half of 1.1

[@heyzakuro]

stat in this game are very differnt and easier to min max, ellen give you 100% cdm for her basic atk which her main source dmg. zhuyuan core give her critrate etc

[@whisperviz1346]

I'm a person who don't like try hard to clear content, you will eventually be able to clear it. But having jane really make things easy for me. I sign repeat left click macro on my mouse and just hold the button, press dodge once in a while. Her play style is ridiculous. 😂

[@AVAKemicals]

It's almost braindead, I personally love it as a casual

[@br4in554]

Definitely easier than the abyss was at the start of genshin, and much much easier than the current or recent abyss cycles.

[@arvandor6820]

No joke, Seth + Jane with no third is better than (or at best a wash) any third you can add unless you have Caesar.

[@sonicfraisheya4028]

abyss 12 is still harder to 3 star. however beating critical node 7 without proper investment (lvl 50 dps, lvl 50 supps) is definetely way harder because there's a significant damage penalty in this game for being underleveled

[@Shiwayari]

Idk about a fully built M6 Soukaku, but from my limited testing her chain attack is just bad, that's at 50 with at least fully leveled disks. I use Ellen Qingyi Soukaku and build up 2 Soukaku stacks before building stun with Qingyi. On the final stunning hit of Qingyi I swap to Soukaku before it hits to avoid wasting time for Soukaku's spinspin and do another EX special on her to get the third stack and chain into Ellen. I then skip every chain attack and just stay on Ellen. So at least prioritizing building the dps and support-buffs for asap S rank clears, chain attacks don't seem great. I figure once everyone is max level, decent max level disks, and high skills, chain attacks should become worth to do. Granted I only compared 3 or 4 runs of skipping chains vs not skipping chains, but skipping them was always faster, even if not by that much.

[@hjw7175]

my piper and chlorine team is da best to clear lvl 70 floor with 3 star as F2P. Thanks to them.

[@Tutteedeeno]

check midamishi's run. he finish this with solo M0 brimstone zhu yuan, and solo M6 Billy! and the crazy thing is No damage was taken!

[@huyvip147]

I just clear Shiyu 7 with : Team 1: Team 1: Zhu Yuan, Anby, Nicole Team 2: Piper, Koleda, Lucy.

[@geckowins9652]

I wouldn't say shiyu defence is very hard. I was completely f2p until 2 days ago, but before buying welkin and BP I cleared the max levels for all 3 modes on S rank. My teams were Ellen Qingyi c6 Soukaku and sharkboo on one side, Soldier 11 Koleda c4 Ben and Safety on the other side. No hamster cages used, not particularly skilled, the only 5 star weapon was lycon signature lvl 50 on Koleda. I didn't grind the game too much, because I have not done exploration quests since lvl 35, and I stopped doing hollow zero a month ago because it was too boring. If I can do it, most people can.

[@RKD_4724]

The main thing screwing me over is that BOTH my main DPS units are physical (Billy and Jane) so whenever there is a physical resistance boss it takes eons longer, I probably could have S ranked all the floors this cycle fully F2P if not for the final floor having a physical resistant enemy, it’s also why I’m trying to build Anton so that I can at least deal neutral damage, (I also really regret not getting Zhu Yuan, not only would she fix my dps problem but she also looks super fun to play)

[@zinbrew]

no other anomoly characters you can use as dps? i've seen a seth dps build that looked fun, assuming you have him. i haven't tried it because i'd rather him buff zhu yuan, grace or jane. slap an attack engine and discs on someone you like and roll with it

[@luipaardprint]

This was a very helpful video, I’ve been ignoring shiyu defense behaalde I thought my characters aren’t built enough, but it turns out I should be close enough.

[@EepsayYukay]

I've already reached a point where I can clear Shiyu Defense with the characters I have, so now I'm focusing on optimizing those characters so I can clear it every rotation without sweating too hard. I'll be saving my Polys for a later patch, so it should give me enough time to perfect whoever I've got at present.

[@icad13]

What ur team sir?

[@EepsayYukay]

@@icad13 Jane/Seth/Lucy for one half, Koleda/Nicole/ZY for the other.

[@joshuajackson5203]

@@EepsayYukay does anomaly scale with attack? I thought lucy only gave an attack buff

[@EepsayYukay]

@@joshuajackson5203 it does, ATK also contributes to Anomaly damage on top of Anomaly Proficiency. Those are the two stats you wanna focus on with Anomaly DPSes.

[@firstnamelastname1272]

@@joshuajackson5203 yes, and dmg% buffs too. Make sure you're keeping up with buff uptime as you build anomaly, rather than saving buffs for when you proc anomaly

[@picklebee5299]

Hmm got the 2 premium teams, but gotta really up my building investment in them. Good to see that its already this doable though

[@arisenpai]

I honestly thought I didn't have what it takes... Until I got to the final one and got an A rank without realizing it. I only have 2 S-rank characters (Grace and Jane) and 2 S-rank W-Engines. My takeaway is... Anby is way better than I thought... Especially at C6.

[@Saturday_Jones]

Critical node is extremely easy. I don’t even bother switching teams between floors to account for resistance. I am a f2p player. I’ve cleared abyss since 2.0, 4.0 I was finally consistently speed running abyss. Critical node feels like 2 year deep genshin account.

[@Benisbucker]

The hardest thing for me is grinding for artifacts/material daily seems so much slower than Genshin or HSR because the enemies are beefier which means I skip most days and haven't been able to challenge Abyss/MOC equivalent

[@lucisferre5984]

Minimum is 1 ether char on first half and 1 physical anomaly char on second half + 1 stun, 1 suppourt for each half recomended but not needed.

[@Irbisadventurer]

Ngl, you really want all characters in purely four star teams to do some damage. It's just makes it easier. You don't need to build full dps, just a maxed second disk and 50% crit rate for sups/stuns.

[@maughtayo]

I'm a very low spender (2 IK memberships) and I have been to clear rhis rotation easily. Didnt even have to use my fully built Zhu

[@kotenks9007]

I'm surprised he didn't use Anby for the team... like she works well if all honesty with the Jane/Seth duo so having Anby there would make the team worth it even though its a single Physical and two Electric characters

[@Necrode2]

With lvl 50+ Zhu Yuan and Jane I think it is easy, f2p or not. For people with 60+ days playtime and smart team investment (2 well built dps) you can probably still brute force it without them as long as you are not playing into resistances.

[@hazard1one]

between hsr,zzz and genshin ,as low spender(i usually just bought bp+daily only for the first few months) ,i think i got max rank/star fastest in zzz ,just within a month .just build 2 dps(lvl60) and others can stay at 45 ,that was pretty much it .

[@insertnamehere2022]

Yup same ZZZ endgame is so much easier than the other games

[@Dogbert24]

Not exactly F2P but it was pretty easy to clear with a Neko/Piper/Lucy + Lycaon/Rina/Anton even with my extremely bad substat discs.

[@azaharikhalik5398]

i use Ellen M0,qingyi M0,Soukaku M6 for 7-1 and Soldier 11 M0,Koleda M0,Lucy M1 for 7-2 manage to clear in 3min 51secs

[@firstnamelastname1272]

I'm currently at S rank up till shiyu 6 and A rank shiyu 7. Clear time is 2-ish minutes wave 1, 4-ish minutes wave 2. About 1-2 minutes off from S rank on shiyu 7. Team 1: Koleda, Nicole (m6), Zhu Yuan Team 2: Anby (m6), Soukaku (m1), Billy (m3) I've been focusing more on my zhu yuan team for a while, so my Billy team isn't quite there yet (but getting there). Also do you think physical dmg% disk 5 would suit Billy more than atk%? For dmg%, he gets 100% from faction bonus (for his ult), 50% from crouching buff, and another 50% if you happen to have his signature W-Engine almost max superimposed. So that's about 200% damage bonus (230% if you include his m6 effect). I've been wondering if at this point, atk% disk 5 would be better due to diminishing returns from stacking dmg%

[@nyxiis624]

Shiyu def isnt that hard once u get the hang of it, usually it will take a few resets until you get the enemies perfectly grouped and saving time on rotations, it's hard to get S rank on 7th nodes since the enemies are sponges (and deal a decent amount of damage) but it's possible as long as your characters are getting upgraded in an efficient way

[@K_mp3_]

Honestly out of all games ZZZ has the easiest release endgame. However my experience may be skewed as a f2p with a w1 Ellen and a w1 Jane i can clear everything easily with max stars

[@nattonep8788]

I feel horrible Jane took me to 81 pity... Then I lost 50/50 then took me 76 pity... Jeez Jane didn't know you didn't want to come home... -$150.95 (Good thing it's doubled though.)

[@Inmediostatvirtuss]

My condolences

[@treeleven3316]

Yeah I’m stuck at getting A rank on 5 and haven’t pushed it further. I don’t have any limited 5* dps so my main dps units atm are Anton and Piper. It looks like there is a huge disparity between 5* dps and 4* dps, but I also think my lack of levels + mindscapes play into this as well. I also do chain attacks with the bangboo because both of my main dps units require energy to attack so chains help me conserve energy.

[@georgiekun69]

cleared it all rank S with: ellen/lycaon/sousaku zhu yuan/anby/nicole jane/seth/flex koleda only main dps are well built

[@hellohooman8962]

I thought my M1 Ellen was strong until I saw that Zhu Yuan run..

[@TheDbronze]

S ranked it with a Zhu Yuan/Anby/Nicole on one side and Piper/Koleda/Lucy on the other. Zhu Yuan has her weapon and no mindscapes. Its mostly just getting lucky with wi decent disks I think.

[@yyukino0066]

Yeah using 1 limited char, maybe even 2 is still within f2p. On average , ppl should have 2 limiteds by now . On the other hand, it's unlikely f2ps have a lycaon yet. Games gonna push koleda

[@Asrilel]

im completely f2p and with a mediocre team 1 and my piper dps team as team 2, the closest i could get so far was 4 seconds away from s rank. its definitely possible f2p, i just have to level my team 1 a bit more

[@lucarioqueenxd5736]

I cleared (S rank) with Corin/Lycaon/Soukaku Piper/Grace/Lucy The minimum investment is very low. Let's stay strong Miyabi M6'ers!

[@ryanryan4223]

m6 f2p? is it possible?

[@lucarioqueenxd5736]

@@ryanryan4223 depends when she comes out. Could be next patch, could be 2.0. If it's the final patch of 1.x or 2.0 I think it is very possible

[@cuthalion9573]

​@@ryanryan4223 Well they keyword is saving. Im gonna do it just for fun as well. Maybe not Miyabi but any S-Rank im hyper interested in, i gonna M6 with my second account. I try to save around 180 - 200 k chromes to M6 R5 any limited 5 Star dps which i really love. I play HSR/GI and in both games im more about vertical investment. This time i try full f2p non wishing to get one in my lifetime a whale level character. :D

[@cristianalfonso7594]

I really want to build Billy, but as it is now, a player can only have 2 teams and maybe 2 characters to swap

[@guillex6443]

What? "Impossible for F2P"? It wasn't bad, like, I imagine it can be hard with only A-Ranks, but screw that, I rather it be MANDATORY to have S-Ranks, because if I can 100% everything with A-Ranks, then what is the point of pulling for S-Ranks? Already had this situation on genshin, don't want any other games to follow in it's footsteps, because it's straight up UNREALISTIC to always measure with no S-Ranks as if some people didn't have any Note:wrote this as soon as i entered the video, watching rn Edit: so the "impossible" kinda clickbait, thought as much, but my point stands, i dont want this game to be dumb easy, there's plenty of things that could be optimized gameplay-wise like cancelling animations, quickswaping, etc, but if the game doesn't offer a challenge that needs me to properly learn those mechanics, im not going to because it would be pointless, and that will be frustrating if the game stays easy

[@AzureRook]

Shiyu defense feels nigh impossible w/ just Anby, all these videos always seem to include the other daze characters, idk how to make a second team w/o them

[@SmashTheAdam]

Should i build Nekomata?, and is she better with Anby and Nicole, or Piper and Lucy?, i got her on Jane's banner and she's the only 5 star DPS I have other than Ellen, but I haven't heard a lot of good things about her. And by the way I don't have any 5 star attack weapons, so she would have to use the good old starlight engine

[@joshuajackson5203]

don't waste your resources fam, I have her and her damage.....is....it's not good, maybe i need to upgrade my piper and lucy, but its just not there bro. About to go look up some videos on her cause maybe I'm buggin, she was good starting out blue shiyu.....but red shiyu? Nah.

[@SmashTheAdam]

@@joshuajackson5203 that's a shame honestly because I really liked how fast her attacks are, i guess i should look into it more before I waste my stamina and time on her, thanks friend

[@insertnamehere2022]

No she is the worst standard dps, I built her before I got my Jane, and she was awful to use both gameplay wise and damage wise. She wants to be behind the enemy to deal her max damage which is annoying to play around, ur better off building S11 or pulling for Jane

[@SmashTheAdam]

@@insertnamehere2022 I WISH I got S11, at least I could put her with Lucy and Koleda (i have both and I have Koleda's weapon too) but nope, I got the cat in the rat banner

[@insertnamehere2022]

@@SmashTheAdam oof well at least they didnt give you an M1 cat like me 😭

[@Evrimomono]

What bugs me is not being able to grind my characters to my heart's content. Not that it's hard. I'm ok with getting killed in 2 hits as long as I can damage them back. But with F2P, having been dumped all my saved batteries for the endgame, I just cannot upgrade my characters faster than I beat these levels. But that's gacha for you I suppose

[@seppuku404]

Shiyu is a lot easier. I'm f2p and i was able s rank up to level 6 and a rank level 7 with a ellen, lycaon, c1 sukaku with f2p wengines. And a level 51 joe dane with a level 10 lucy and level 10 seth woth no drive engines and f2p wengines. So yah. It is easy. Just need to be able to time those perfect dodges and assists

[@BoscoYoloso]

Pretty much just a fucking Zhu Yuan f2p team and a well built Jane doe because I was literally able to solo the 2nd half of shiyu defense just with her alone.

[@BoscoYoloso]

Edit: I still haven’t watched the full video yet

[@justsomerandomguyman]

I haven't been able to get passed floor 5 so far. Realistically, it's probably because I'm still building characters. Without refreshing in this game, building characters takes SIGNIFICANTLY longer than every other gacha game I play. Character progression is very, very slow in ZZZ.

[@RafaelCDinardi]

I don't feel like it, to gather all resources for a character in genshin it takes ~20 days of resin, without taking into account artifacts, zzz is similar I think(I never did the actual math for zzz), maybe skills take longer but artifacts are much easier

[@bjornnilsson2941]

@@RafaelCDinardi Yes the drive disk part is often overlooked. It's soooo much easier getting a passable to good set in ZZZ. Even optimal pieces should be a lot easier (I've already got several, but no full set). Sure right now we're extremely pressed for basic resources but give it another 3-6 months and even F2P will likely be swimming in lvl books and dennies. That's how both Genshin and HSR were.

[@JoeEver123]

Played since the beginning and I have 8 lvl 60 characters/weapon with the right mean stat for each of them. I guess some people are just focusing too much on disc like you would do in Genshin/HSr but you really only need the main stat in zzz. At least for now

[@grass7560]

idk but my experience with character progression is actually the fastest in zzz like I have 5 different functional teams already. Maybe disk drive farming is just better somehow, or I just got lucky like 20 times in a row farming for pieces lol

[@justsomerandomguyman]

@@grass7560 I think that’s cope. It’s very slow. Just leveling a character to 60 takes fucking forever, and I keep running out of denny and character and w-engine exp constantly too.

[@GerriFuryman]

F2P should alrady clear it, if you not invest in all characters at the same time, i only get 2 bp and invest in all characters at same time and clear last 3 SD for all S rank. Before i get BP i get 4/7 S without problems in first SD rotation. And i still use only 6 units while invest tons of recources to other that i never used. IF you are f2p just put everything in 2 teams and you will beat it witout any problems.

[@lainverse]

I decided to say f-it to 7th node. I'm fine with an A-rank on it.

[@Lybrel]

Hearing you say "relatable" made me realize that someone hasn't uploaded in months

[@aceavila7967]

max discs w/ prescribe stats.. and max skills and w engine all and all everything... u can clear shiyu

[@sumansarkar2442]

I have some insane amount of skill issues against the rampant brute . Died like 10 times and gave up

[@eternaloblivionvt]

Jane is carrying me shiyu, teams for s rank = jane, seth, qingyi - rina, grace, lucy

[@virtualmartini]

I clear all of Shiyu with solo Ben as one of my teams.

[@DDRdavo]

i kinda hoped youd try with piper. Mine is level 60 and managed a sub 2:30 clear and didnt even notice until afterwards her disk drives are only levels 6-12. Shes basically built for the second half assuming you dont have a jane doe but even then she does just fine.

[@Katagear]

I know these runs aren't meant to be perfect, but I thought I might as well toss my hat into the ring to help someone else improve their gameplay or spark a discussion. For context, I'm not a theory-crafter but I've been running burst-heavy characters like Zhu Yuan, Neko, and more recently Billy, so I'll primarily focus on the Billy run (might edit if I spot anything else during the other runs). These are just my opinions and personal experience with no real calcs to back them up, so keep that in mind. Minor mistake at 7:26 whilst fighting the three crossbow Hollow raiders by not using Billy's chain attack to clear the mob wave, since Billy's additional ability grants him up to +100% Ultimate damage after two chain attacks from launching chain attacks himself (in which the second chain is done during the first daze window of the "Razor" boss). Personally, I would have used Nicole EX to group and debuff, then Anby EX to stun, then chain into Billy (hopefully that kills). Minor mistake at 8:20 and 9:09 Billy is actually considered in the "Crouching Shot" state the moment he does the flip after his standing shots, and he doesn't lose this state until he goes back into "neutral", which is to saying being able to run around like normal before you start attacking. This means that the moment you see Billy flip you can EX, then Ultimate immediately after the EX's second shot (I do this since I run Woodpecker Electro on my Billy currently) and still benefit from the "Crouching shot" state. Just keep in mind that any time you can just run around with Billy you'll need to re-enter the "Crouching shot" state if you want the buffs from it. You'll also notice at the 9:09, during the stun phase, Nicole's debuff runs out before Billy finishes his Ultimate, which loses him some damage as well. Now in my personal rotation, the window is still pretty tight, so if you have M1 Nicole you can hold her EX just a bit to squeeze out some extra debuff duration by extending the time her Blackhole stays on the field. By far the biggest mistake, imo, is after 9:14 during the third stun buildup phase. Billy is a burst character and heavily relies on his Ultimate for damage, so notice how much damage he just did in the daze window at 9:14 and compare it to how much damage was done during the stun window at 9:40, the difference is like night and day. So what is wrong with how this last phase was handled? The irony is actually stunning too fast. For burst characters, my general philosophy is to build up decibels to a level where you can reasonably have the Ultimate by the end of your chain attacks every rotation, which is about 2200 decibels- give or take a couple hundred depending on your team. Of course, there will be times where you are capping out on decibels a little and that's fine. But that's a lot of yapping from me, so what could have been done in this scenario? For one, more Defensive OR Evasive assists could have been used (only one was used during this third stun buildup), especially Evasive assists from Billy simply because Anby puts out so much daze. Evasive assists generally do less daze than Defensive assists (which grants you a larger window to build decibels), and they ALWAYS cost one assist point when you are fighting bosses, assuming you don't have a character with Enhanced Defensive assists (think Ben, Anton, Soukaku), which reduce Defensive assist cost down to one against bosses. Evasive assists still generate about the same amount of decibels as a Defensive assist, so if you've done too much daze and still need more decibels, definitely try leveraging Evasive assists for decibels. If you read this far, thanks. If not that's fine too. I just hope that this massive nerd rant can help someone else :)

[@Zolwiol]

I swear everyone seems to be underestimating Billy. His playstyle allows you to play him as an on-field character that dodges like crazy using his busted dodge counter... And as a burster with his insanely fast ex skill coupled with 100% extra damage ult if you have his second core active.

[@5upermini555]

Add Caesar and Lucy, and he'll be popping off pretty well as the main on-fielder

[@stewie_]

I think Lucy and Piper would've worked better with Billy. People underestimate them so much.

[@Geym1account]

The problem is that piper and billy are fighting for on field time, I'd rather use the full cunning hares

[@ahmadmelhem1499]

Sadly I don't have Zhu Yuan, for soukaku the best 2 builds for her to me 1- 4 discs swing jazz + 2 shockstar jesco / portal (DISC4 ATK%, DISC5 ICE, DISC6 IMPACT) 2- 4 discs shockstar jesco + swing jazz I am using her signature w-engine and she is C6. Now I am working on Seth he is C5

[@YutoHitoshi]

Shiyu Defense is not hard for me, i prefer this over genshin and honkai star rail. I use ellen/lycaon/nicole so im not struggling to group the enemy, while the other half i use piper/ben/lucy which benefit from the buff that should be benefitting to those who pull jane doe. ig my buff streak luck will still going until next patch with caesar who my ben will get benefit from (but im gonna pull caesar) and burnice who will get another anomaly buff from so yeah im solid for Shiyu until miyabi come.

[@icad13]

I clear Shiyu Defense 7 with Zhu Yuan + R5 Starlight, and Jane Doe + R1 Sign.. with best time 04.55.. Signature Weapon has a huge impact..

[@mckickz665]

Last shinyu defense 1st team I beat with quigyi Nicole and Anton too me a few times to get it down but 2 nd team was all Jane and Seth with enough time 1st encounter took the longest to get down