What Does STG Have Planned for Mac Baren and Sutliff? It’s Not Good News

[@jonathansteele1057]

Another issue with the sacking of Sutliff is that many small retailers who mix their own blends source the components from Sutliff. This could change many other blends as well.

[@RoadtoPines]

Thank you for your effort and integrity in reporting the news. Yes, pipe smoking is a hobby, but exclusively referring to it as a hobby downplays the significance of what's happening here. Tobacco blending, pipe crafting, and pipe smoking are also human culture. Imagine the world suddenly being deprived of, say, 60% of Bordeaux wines. "We need to simplify and limit the market!" Or suppose the hundreds of coffee varietals in existence were limited to a dozen or so, in the name of 'efficiency'; or say a conglomerate were to shut down availability of a number of artist's pigments, or some sub-genres of music. Some of us react to the news with annoyance that we're losing access to things we like; but on a deeper level this is also another little blow to culture, another human enrichment that future generations may never know. It's the dumbing down of society because those who gained control of a market don't take responsibility for the way it uplifts us beyond mere consumption and cost. Like you, Bradley, I'm a fan of capitalism and a fair profit, but not homogenization and enshittification.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Very good points.

[@JAdame24]

Like I commented in another one of your videos, we need to make sure Cornell and Diehl stays and support them with the majority of our tobacco purchases

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I’m with you on that.

[@mattkarr8010]

Thank goodness I’m a huge G.L Pease fan

[@JAdame24]

I’m both a GL pease and C&D fan. I do enjoy Peter S blends so hopefully those stay. Only blends I’m sad about are the Sutliff Match blends hopefully another blender can pick up those recipes

[@FlokieLooney]

Agreed!

[@kyuss89]

Agreed. Honestly I like C&D and am in the process of trying all of the blends.

[@UltramontanoPapista]

We need to support C&D and GL Pease, Robert Mcconell, Rattrays, Boswells, etc

[@1122stardust]

Make no mistake tobacco blenders will find dunhill blend equals. I find it hard to believe dunhill blends going away. Just the idea of them is iconic. Massive uproar from the pipe community! We will respond !

[@rustbeltpipes]

Man, this is rough. One things for sure moving forward - friends dont let friends buy STG.

[@theoccasionalclaypiper]

I am unfamiliar with Danish law, but for the United States. I would imagine, shutting down of Sutliff would violate the Sherman Antitrust act. To quote The US Department of Justice website: “The Sherman Act also makes it illegal to monopolize, conspire to monopolize, or attempt to monopolize a market for products or services. An unlawful monopoly exists when one firm has market power for a product or service, and it has obtained or maintained that market power, not through competition on the merits, but because the firm has suppressed competition by engaging in anticompetitive conduct. Monopolization offenses may be prosecuted criminally or civilly.”

[@smashingartful]

This is difficult news to hear, but greatly appreciate your hard work getting us a report Bradley!

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I wish the news had been better!

[@TheMountainPiper]

Nooo, not Peterson blends, I thought for sure they'd be safe. Apparently, nothing is safe with STG's gameplan for 2028.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

That was pretty shocking for me to hear as well!

[@economicsjingle]

I think if the CEO of Laudisi is discussing continuing the Seattle Pipe Club blends that means they would be made by Cornell and Diehl.

[@sectureverothoughtcriminal7734]

8.0 quake in the pipe community

[@celticmagick]

Thank you for the info and insight. We need someone here in the US to pick up these brands and produce them here in the States. I wish I had the money to do this. As an American I'm tired of the amount of outsourcing of production that goes on these days. We need to produce more here in the US, and not just tobacco. I really hope Escudo survives the STG chopping block.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I wish the regulations here weren't so onerous.

[@-M-A-B-]

@@stuffandthingsyoutube We do have a "Nanny State" unfortunately. Adults being scolded for using legal products or being kept from them through constantly stricter regulation.

[@kobathedread9649]

Thanks for your investigation and insightful opinions Bradley - much appreciated. STG's takeover is extremely disappointing, not just for the loss of beloved brands and products, but also because it provides another baneful example of the near inevitability of brand rationalisation, (more accurately: brand destruction) once the myopic, number-crunching MBA's get involved. Also, 'generational change' involving putting a moron family member in change of anything too often spells doom! Oh, cheers from the authoritarian 'nanny state' formerly known as Australia, where a 50g tin of my beloved Petersen Sweet Killarney costs A$165.00, and with C&D blends costing A$175.00😎

[@FrankDAgostino77]

Noooooo! Not Nightcap! 😢

[@LukeEdwards-x8c]

Frightening - I shall be supporting Gawith Hogarth and Germains in the UK 🇬🇧 already buying their best brown flake and full Virginia - sad to hear the ex Dunhill blends could be at risk - some serious favourites of mine 😢 brilliant research and thanks for sharing 😊

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I wish those blends were more available here!

[@fauxshowyo]

Peterson are pretty much my go-tos, and I know their really popular..they can't be performing that poorly. Hate this place.

[@Brandon4909-t7r]

This is some sad news indeed. Thank You for gathering and sharing this information Bradley! At least now we have a better picture of what's going on and can act accordingly.

[@skippyb.coyote895]

Well... crud. It is a darn shame about Sutliff, since they were the longest running US based pipe T company by far. Hearing that Mac Baren's catalog will be reduced by 50% is pretty awful too, not to mention the possibility of losing all the ex-Dunhill blends and half of other pipe blends STG produces. Personally I'll be doubling down on my support for Cornell & Diehl and Gawith Hoggarth and buying most of my blends from them for the foreseeable future.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

It’s a shame that so many great blends are likely to disappear.

[@-M-A-B-]

Won't be hard to support independents at this point in time such as C & D. There are some fantastic offerings. Thanks for this report, as hard as it was to hear.

[@Dave-tv3hn]

Screw STG, at this point.

[@Zigmeister67]

So I need to buy 400 cans of Elizabethan and Royal Yacht. Roger. There goes my retirement.

[@caritup]

I would do same, but nah, kiss my a$$ I never want to taste it again.

[@Timmorrisjr]

Hard to hear. I’ve only been into pipe smoking for 3 years, but one of the things I quickly learned was to start stocking up on your favorites, so I luckily have a sizable cellar for a new piper. I will definitely be giving my full support to C&D manufactured blends from now on… right after I stock up on my favorite old Dunhill blends before never buying from STG again.

[@BlakesPipes]

My anger came when you said "scrapped", having to do with Sutliff machinery. That is history going down the drain. I worked for a paper company, they did something similar. I am disappointed with STG direction but that is business today. Make less charge more and increase profit. Well, they lose in the long run, but they will make money for the suits till they can't and sell off the scraps at the end. Just how it goes. I bought many blends from a Milan Tobacconist and they sent me my order in a Sutliff box. I am guessing they bought from Sutliff and blended. So my thinking was off thinking of going to my local state tobacconist. They too, will need to find tobacco now from someone different.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Exactly. Just bad news all around.

[@Hutch.Piper10]

Thanks so much for digging and reporting out this info, sad as it is. There seem to be some that are either blinded by something or just reluctant to understand what this really means. I’d rather have the info/knowledge before it is too late. Thanks for keeping us informed. And your analysis appears to be spot on.

[@December151791]

Dude you went full James Bond on this! Thank you

[@GetPiped]

Bad time to be a pipe smoker. Thanks for the detailed deep dive. All accurate and will unfortunately come to fruition

[@ahavah6622]

It sucks most of all because of what Sutliff did for the community. The events you guys had with them and the boutique blends they constantly produced were just a small sample of what they had to offer to the American market. RIP 😢

[@northernpiper7]

This stinks. This whole profits over everything gets old, keep your dirty hands off my Tobacco! I'll make it a goal of mine to avoid purchasing any products owned or sold by STG to further mitigate their acquisitions of destruction! Beyond that, thank you. I appreciate you covering this!

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Thanks for watching!

[@robaustin9220]

Thanks for doing this video and for the info., So Sad… I say we should definitely boycott Sutliff and MacBaren blends going forward! Be Well 👍

[@BlakesPipes]

@@robaustin9220 It sounds like STG has already made that a thing. Can't boycott what already is dead. But if you look at the back of a lot of tins, they are made by STG. Which if you boycott them, you will be very limited. And if C&D sell, we will be in big trouble. Most of my cigars are sold by STG out of Pennsylvania. So they have cornered the market.

[@DoingitWrong]

I sure hope I have enough Capstan cellared. 😬 And all those Sutliff bulk blends I love… devastating! Thanks for the sleuthing, Bradley.

[@-M-A-B-]

With Laudisi's purchase of Kapp & Peterson several years ago, and the old Dunhill "T's" already having been rebranded to Peterson, it sure would make sense for a deal to be stuck for Laudisi to acquire the former Dunhill "T's" from STG.

[@colinkelly279]

Which means there will be a mad rush on their blends, price inflation, ridiculous hoarding. Second Verse, Same as the First.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Yep. It's going to be awhile before the dust settles.

[@colinkelly279]

@@stuffandthingsyoutube We survived McClellan disappearing, and the disappearance of Dunhill, we will survive this if people can just maintain their composure- but they won't. It will be unfortunate.

[@HallertauRogue]

Bradley, as usual, I appreciate your approach. Thank you for sharing the information you have received. Kudos for trying to vet the facts before the video, but knowing when to share. You did your due diligence.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

I appreciate that!

[@drregmonster4371]

Sku - stock keeping unit.

[@keganwallace8753]

STG ruins everything they touch. I have no idea how corporations like STG think they improve anything in the industry they're in. Lesson of the day is small business owners should never sell out to a corporate overlord like STG.

[@HALO-2304]

It's the same thing that happened to the American steel industry. The companies got taken over by people who didn't want to be in the steel industry, they wanted to be bankers. The only assets they had were the steel mills, which were scrapped for their play money.

[@jackdavies8317]

That’s the thing that bothers me. Why would these long lasting family owned companies sell to a company like SGT? They know it will just cripple and monopolise the industry. SGT don’t hide who they are so I’m not mad at them, I’m frustrated with the people that decide to sell to them.

[@malkrossthemad9727]

I was expecting bad news but not this bad! Say less. I've just ordered a lb of bold Kentucky and 10 tins of irish flake. Plum Pudding special reserve is next. I'm buying them every months until they close. Once they close, I'm in full agreement with you, Bradley. We have to give more support to C&D, as well as any other people who produce pipe blends here in the US. I disagree with you on the boycott thing, though. Once i get my cellar shored up, I'm basically never gonna buy anything STG again. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone else did.

[@mdb831]

Just started my pipe journey in October 2023. I absolutely love several Dunhill/Peterson blends. Gonna grab 50 tins online tonight. 10 EM, 10 Standard, 10 mm 965, and 20 Nightcap

[@krandom354]

You won’t

[@mdb831]

@krandom354 guarantee 💯 happening

[@kenbyronventures3690]

"The de-listings will continue until morale/sales improve."

[@dariopadovan1976]

Sounds like : “ if you don’t purchase our f*****g blends, I’ll cut the production of all your favorites blends ahah (so that you’ll buy our stuff even less)” I’m sure there is a great mind working behind all this.

[@kents.2866]

I grabbed the last tub of Mixture 79 just because.

[@subaquagene608]

Thank you very much for all your leg work and organization of the information. It is very sad to see 100+ year old companies just thrown away. Big money and corporate greed is the reason, STG doesn't give a damn about there customers, so sad to say. We will have to see what left of all our favorite blends. And if they will even be blended the same anymore. I simple will NOT buy anything from STG EVER. How very sad. Thanks so much again. Take care and God Bless

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Thank you!

[@milohoffman274]

I am going to start buying ONLY tobacco from Laudisi and C&D, and buying products FROM only Laudisi's store (smokingpipes) from now on.

[@clenttrifton]

You should buy from the smaller shops, too. Like Watch City, The Country Squire, and 4noggins.

[@TheJason909]

Imo, the worst part is them scrapping the production equipment so as to estop competitors. That is mind-bendingly shrewd. 😖

[@richnewman]

Sounds like we will just have an STG/Sutliff/McB greatest hits starting in 2025. I’m glad we still have C&D/GLP, HU, and Gawith, but fans of the other stuff will want to stock up.

[@thealaskanpiper]

Sad news, makes me never want to buy from STG again. Luckily I've got a cellar big enough to never buy again if I chose too. Such a bummer

[@nglpos]

Thank you for this.

[@PiperCalvinist]

Man, I just started this hobby earlier in the year, and now blends are going to be disappearing before I even try them. So sad…. Greed ruins everything. I hope STG reads these comments because Escudo & OGS are some of my favorite blends, but now I'm going to be looking for favorites elsewhere. Word of advice STG - don't underestimate Americans when it comes to loyalty and their freedom of choice. Unlike most countries, we can afford to make different choices.

[@MC-bh3fy]

Thank you for all your work getting this information and sharing with us. Very helpful to know.

[@LouigiVerona]

The most awaited video ever! 🎉

[@matthewrobinson4644]

Maybe the Peterson blends will go to laudise since they own smoking pipes C&D and recently bought Peterson pipes and whatever other brands are associated with all that mess. It really seems like there is only two companies out there now anyway both of those two and once the checkbooks come out it’s a matter of time until one of those two own basically the industry.

[@economicsjingle]

Yes, I was wondering if this is the real reason STG wants to phase out the Peterson line--they may not be making full profit on it because they don't own the brand name.

[@matthewrobinson4644]

@ you could be onto something there.

[@BenSmoking]

Thank you for the report

[@paragonpiper4081]

The scrapping of the equipment is brutal. C&D won’t be able to make ropes/coins…. The only ropes made in the world will be Gawith. But no coins. The equipment for making toasted burley. Gone. The presses. Gone. The cutters. Gone. Laudisi can hopefully pick up some of what’s left behind… blending Seattle Pipe Club items, and that sort of thing. If they’re smart, and have the capital, they should hire Per George Jensen and have him start new blend lines, perhaps having him team up with Pease and also creating new blends. Maybe match blends of eradicated MB blends, etc. The closing of Sutliff is the worst part because of their components lines. B&Ms and other boutique blenders will be SOL because of this. 🤦‍♂️ This is the worst thing to happen to the world wide tobacco market in history. I hope Laudisi can profit from this move by STG.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Yes. I'd still like to here from STG, but this move (scrapping the equipment) seems particularly egregious.

[@mscar8024]

So C&D uses Sutliff equipment to make ropes/coins, toasted burley? Had no idea, if so.

[@paragonpiper4081]

@@mscar8024no. C&D uses toasted burley by Sutliff in some of their blends. What I’m saying is components like this will become extinct because the Sutliff equipment is being scrapped and not sold. From what MB has said in the past, the machines used to create ropes and then coins were very old and no longer made. These machines are also going to be scrapped and not sold. So, no one can buy them and start making coins for themselves. The only other tobacco company I know of making ropes is Gawith, who has rope machines. Basically STG is about to create a void in the market by scrapping this equipment. Over a hundred years of tradition and blends will be gone, because of their choices.

[@stratman3771]

wtf even the dunhill/peterson blends! I hate the world.

[@ImJustHereToGrill]

This seems to be pretty much what most have reported who knew people at one of the companies. So, this seems pretty likely to be correct.

[@cmstan]

As a beer geek for the last couple decades, this all seems pretty familiar - STG is clearly the A-B/In-Bev of the pipe tobacco "industry" and it's bad for consumers and bad for the industry. I'm still fairly novice about the various pipe tobacco companies - so I'm curious - how does this impact individual tobacconists and house blends (such as Country Squire, etc.) And what are our "craft" alternatives in the US for pipe tobacco if we don't want to give STG our business moving forward?

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

There are smaller companies out there for sure, but much of their fulfillment was through Sutliff as well.

[@PeacePipeMan]

Thank you for taking the time in explaining the future of our lovely hobby. Excellent job!!!!

[@joejones3885]

Thank you so much sir you're a modern Paul Revere !! Your a great American and thank you for spreading the information!!

[@DoctorH4876]

Awful news, but great reporting and info, thank you…totally agree with your call to start exploring and supporting C&D, we need to keep them in business!

[@UltramontanoPapista]

STG is proving they do not care about pipe smokers, they care about the nicotine junkies that will give them the most money.

[@kawarus]

Thank you for the big scoop on the low down. chin up, happy holidays and let us all be thankful for what we have.

[@chrisportislander2458]

I did not realize they also owned the US online stores. Just a few weeks ago they announced that they stopped all international shipping, so I can no longer get my favorite blends that are not available here in Japan (Cobblestone).

[@Piper_Andy]

Thank you for sharing this. Doesn't sound good for the pipe and tobacco community, just for STG's bottom line.

[@geoffryfeinberg1349]

Well done, Bradley. Thank you.

[@UltramontanoPapista]

I just hope Capstan, Three Nuns and the HH lines remain…

[@AB8606SbG]

Thanks Bradley! Sadly, it looks like there may be another Elizabethan replacement video coming soon😔. This just sucks.

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Ugh.

[@jsnook0211]

Man, I'm glad that STG has my best interests in mind by simplifying offerings to the customer! It sure gave me a big headache deciding what blends I wanted to purchase... now I won't have to worry about that anymore! No more analysis paralysis for this guy. I'm especially excited for Project 2028, when I'll only have to make one choice when ordering: tobacco! It's just tobacco! No frills, no fluff! 👍

[@lonnierussell1926]

Well you said that you didnt want to talk about boycott - but why not boycott stg. they certainly don't seem to mind pulling the rug out from underneath a large number of people in the pipe community {customers and workers}. I have been a pipe smoker for about a yeat now and I'm just now beginning to sort out what direction I am going as for tobaccos and pipes even ! and some of the tobaccos I am beginning to focus on are/were Sutliff, or blends from the shops reportedly get their supplies from Sutliff. During the past year I was hearing (paraphrasing here) enjoy pipe smoking the way you want to -as there is no right or wrong way to enjoy the hobby - but maybe there is a time coming where we as a community will have to band together and act as a unified group at least for a while - meaning instead of supporting a conglomerate that tells you what to smoke - support independents, that while they may not have the exact blend you like they have something close or something you can enjoy. Yeah stg may be big and powerful in the tobacco world - if their customer base stops buying their stuff then they have no money coming in - and it seems to be the most important thing to them, then they just might realize in some small way that they are dealing with people and not just market share and $$$. I just hope that the independents are able to step up and help make it work.

[@zigmanzirn]

I knew STG was an evil empire when they bought Planta just to get Presbyterian and scrapped everything else.

[@zigmanzirn]

Or was that Mac Baren

[@sd3gunner]

Can you do a video on what the smaller tobacco companies are you recommend checking out?

[@JayPlateFaceVideos]

Good idea for a video

[@PaladinPiper]

Thank you for this video Bradley.

[@thedeelaw9977]

I hope bengal slices, hearth & home, and Seattle pipe club survive this. Seeing Missouri meerschaum line of tobacco’s made by sutliff discontinued officially was sad. i really hope cornell and Diehl finds a way to save these brands if stg decides to not produce them.

[@kyuss89]

Not happy about about Cup O' Joe's though. My go to sit to order from. But my secondary is The Country Squire, an amazing American tobacconist who I do not mind supporting. I love their house blends!

[@briarscholar]

I know you dont support boycotting but honestly I think Im just going to switch over to C&D and GL Pease. My main smokes are produced by STG, however i dont support this and dont want to give them my money. Sutliff was an American institution; why would we as Americans want to support this?

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

The choice is yours! I certainly wouldn't blame you.

[@WobblingHobGoblin]

Cornell and Diehl's blends are my favourite. But I will miss HH pure Va and Amphora Va when MacBaren bites the dust.

[@fauxshowyo]

Starting to think having a near monopoly in our hobby/lifestyle through STG isn't a great idea, pipe bros

[@mr.mrs.t.9292]

Thank you Bradley! When competition is eliminated monopolistic attitudes and actions are implemented then quality starts suffering negatively and prices start increasing. Worst quality for more money, Sad day for thousands of pipe smokers. BUY AMERICAN! FSTG

[@HALO-2304]

Sounds typical: a huge company run by people who want to be in the banking industry, not the tobacco industry and they're being guided by bean counters who know the price of everything, but the value of nothing. Tradition and history are sacrificed for the sake of the bottom line. I'm just beginning to explore pipes and pipe tobacco and am intrigued by the Edward G. Robinson blend. Sadly, I also reside in a state that bans the online purchase of tobacco. I'll have to ask my tobacconist if they can order me some. 😮‍💨🙄

[@mdb831]

Time to stock a little bit every single payday for the next 2 or 3 years

[@Oklahomapiper]

I wonder about the codger blends like half and half or velvet. I don’t know how many are under the stg name but I knows those are.

[@billythekid6420]

Dude, we all need to gear up to growing, processing & pressing our own flake. That's what I intend to do next year. Not as hard as you might think and will save £££'s. Shame this industry is contracting, but it's the way the cookie is crumbling! Ironic that more people have chronic health problems now due to a piss poor diet and the controversial fact that pipe smokers live longer than most average Joe's! Thanks for the update.

[@Sejdr]

You missed the golden opportunity of calling the source "Deep Throat" and have an intro of trenchcoat clad gentlemen meeting in a dark subterranean garage.

[@wtfserpico]

I almost never buy more than 1 tin of anything at a time. I dropped by my B&M today and bought their remaining 3 tins of Cringle Flake. RIP Sutliff. Edit: STG's market share is certainly going to contract. I'm going to take my business elsewhere....as long as elsewhere exists anyway.

[@MountainPiper911]

Sutliff and Mac Baron are my favorite baccies ……..

[@mudcrock]

This is bad.🙁 Thanks for the information

[@stuffandthingsyoutube]

Thanks for watching!

[@BillKeechPiperRacingPhotog]

I wonder what will happen to the Lane blends ?????

[@TheHammerofDissidence]

Be honest Mr. Bradley, how many tins of Elizabethan did you order after getting that email? 😉

[@afistfulofbriar6726]

Will this take out the Newminster blends as well? I believe they were Mac Baren?

[@OrtziLanda]

Sad news, from now on I stop buying STG blends (anyway my preferred blend which was Irish Flake was discontinued several years ago in Europe). I will try to buy some of the Mac Baren blends I like (Capstan, Bold Kentucky, …) to cellar till they probably disappear and I will continue buying Samuel Gawith an Cornnell & Diehl, which to be honest I have always preferred rather than STG

[@johnkkkj]

Bradly thank you but jeez man you put a bummer on my day if not years down the line. What the hell are we supposed to do go hording tobacco again? To think that Stuliff is no more, is just a shocker. They are gutting Stuliff, no more pipe force no more birds of a feather. Just your boring STG sheet that no one wants! Euro pallet for Americans?

[@user-zj9ow6vl1m]

Man this sucks. I’m stocked up for years, but I don’t have a lifetime supply of my favorite blends I use often. Makes me feel like building up the cellar would be a good idea, but in this economy it’s hard to justify spending hundreds or thousands on tobacco

[@ImJustHereToGrill]

One of my big questions is how does this impact the tobacco farms and industry more widely? I’m assuming no one is going to be picking up the excess volume immediately. The industry is already shrinking in number of farms. Massive commercial farms exist but they aren’t making tobacco for artisan blends. How many down stream effects will this have for everyone.

[@Rokemikal]

been going deep on C&D this sucks but I wasnt really smoking that much STG stuff to begin with.

[@Its_Mee_Bee]

I just recently found the HH line, and I’ve been slowly adding to my stores. I guess I’ll be going a little more aggressively 😔

[@blackpowderpiper5711]

Thank you for this information. Essentially, everything will be reduced to a few select blends which currently are the most profitable. STG tobaccos will become the pipe tobacco equivalent of a Marlboro Light. No passion or pride in developing or maintaining excellent blends. Just mass produced, low quality pipe tobacco for the masses. All for the goal of maximum profit. Sadly, I’m not surprised.

[@ThePipeSmokingPlaneswalker]

i may be completely wrong but offering fewer choices will also lead to fewer folks staying in the hobby and even fewer taking it up since the powers up above are aiming for a "smoke free world" and of course everything you mentioned in this video people losing their jobs etc.

[@RickFlagg]

Sounds like the American distribution is moving to Bethlehem PA. I primarily smoke Peretti blends and I know they use Sutliff components. Fingers crossed it will be business as usual. May have to cellar some pounds of BPC, 333, and W though.

[@kevinpowers3295]

I spoke to an employee at Lj Peretti (I think it was Todd) and he said they do all their own blends and would not be affected by Sutliff.

[@RickFlagg]

@@kevinpowers3295 Awesome! Thanks for doing that leg work! (Never hurts to cellar some blends though 😄)

[@economicsjingle]

@@kevinpowers3295 That's good to hear, though I have definitely heard not too long ago that they use sutliff tobaccos for some blends

[@jordancruz5685]

Damn it FRED!!!

[@1122stardust]

At least HU is on the rise ! Most superb tobacco out there !

[@tincan77]

What are your favorites?

[@ElliotBernhaut]

I’m totally fine with only buying c&d products I already enjoy a lot from them they get a lot of baseless hate online however they make a quality product

[@TheAdventuresofBabyZ]

Wow, just like Michael Clayton! Ha! You should watch the first 90 secs of your Peterson's Balkan Delight review 😂😅

[@2packs4sure]

I know one thing for a fact Kramer's Father Dempsey has already been affected and ruined,, they're packaging some kind of generic Balkan blend in Father Dempsey bulk and tins,, it's very depressing...

[@NGC6144]

I think that is manufactured by C&D.

[@mostlydilettante]

Brutal.

[@TommyHail]

Fs in the chat boys. Also, a question for you, Bradley (and anyone else who would know): Other than C&D, what are other smaller blenders? I've been in the hobby for about three years or so, but I realize that I probably don't know or realize which ones are smaller blenders. Thanks for sharing the sad, but important news!

[@kevinpowers3295]

I like alot of the blend k&k does, such as rattrays.

[@economicsjingle]

Kopp, Dan, Gawith & Hogarth/Samuel Gawith, Germain, Vincent Manil (if you can call him a blender). Those are all the ones that make packaged products that I can think of. There's also Peretti, but they definitely use some Sutliff components.

[@polohlzhenja]

We're all gonna be relegated to Captain Black soon 💀