What Does The Bible Say About Divorce? - Part One

[@Isabelizzo1028]

Joel tells the truth. That is a safe man. Protect him at all costs. This culture sucks.

[@mainpost4111]

Praise God that he’s raised a man to preach in fear of the Lord only, not in fear of the female worshippers of our time

[@JR-rs5qs]

Abandonment is not grounds for divorce, Joel...smh he or she may he excommunicated, etc. But it's not grounds for divorce.

[@natedogg333_]

So sorry to hear about your child Bro…I hate that for you Brother. Love you dude

[@Laticia-l3g]

Praying for you all

[@Isabelizzo1028]

Thank. You. For. Saying. This.

[@LordLoveGood]

good stuff

[@JR-rs5qs]

You don't understand the Westminster standards when it comes to the issue. Adultery was not punishable by death at the time, so the Westminster Divines spiritually commandeered the sword and allowed the 'innocent' party to consider the adulterer guilty and dead without a trial, so that he or she could remarry, which is the only allowable remarriage (death of the other spouse) in Scripture after the betrothal period is over. A few years later the government did criminalize adultery but the Westminster Divines never updated the confession to recognize the law. Then the government repealed the law. And then we have people read the confession with zero historical context and apply false doctrines.

[@michaelsayen4360]

The Bible never permitted women to initiate a divorce. That was only the man’s right according to scripture because he has rule over his wife. She was acquired by the bride price in scripture, so women in these types of cultures aren’t allowed to divorce, least they keep seeking more marriages and more bride prices. That is why Paul told the woman to remain unmarried or reconcile after separation, not the man (1 Cor. 7:10-11). Man was simply told not to divorce his wife. We don’t understand this in our bilateral culture. This is why the woman’s divorce rate is so high. She was never given or supposed to be given the allowance to initiate a divorce.

[@Jim-uq6td]

Is looking at pornography habitually over many years of marriage adultery to the extent that it is grounds for divorce ?

[@brendangolledge8312]

If every part of the Bible is clear, then how is there so much confusion in the church(es)? I already know that the answer is going to be, "because of sin and pride." But Catholics would say that about noncatholics, Orthodox would say that about nonorthodox, and I would guess that you as a protestant would say that about Catholics and Orthodox. So, how is someone who doesn't already have a strong opinion supposed to choose? I think the more obvious answer is that the meaning of the Bible is not always clear on a first reading to uneducated people. I was taught in the Orthodox church that temptations are not sin, but they become sin at the moment in which you agree with the temptation. So with regards to homosexuality, I think the teaching would be that homosexual tendencies are not sin, but temptation, but they would become sin at the moment in which one agreed with the inclination. This teaching is informed by the fact that in the NT, it said that Jesus was tempted for 40 days, but it also teaches that he did not sin. So, the interpretation is that the devil gave Jesus several offers which he had reason to desire (the temptation), but Jesus rejected all of them and so it was not sin. I think the issue of homosexuality is a bit confusing because it is effectively illegal to honestly study it today. From the secular/natural perspective, the only thing you can say about homosexuality is that it doesn't bear fruit, and so engaging in it must be hedonism. But how many of them are born that way vs learned the behavior is a mystery to me, and also why the movement is so obnoxious and is so interested in people's children. The way a pastor would treat a Christian dealing with homosexual inclinations would change a great deal depending on to what degree the inclinations were voluntary, and also to what degree they were comorbid with pedophilia. I hadn't thought about abandonment as being a kind of adultery before. I thought that they were just answering specific questions, so that there wasn't a complete list given for divorce. I thought that since marriage is supposed to be permanent, but one person can unilaterally destroy it, it makes sense that if your spouse is trying to make your marriage work, then you have to try to make your marriage work. But you don't have to try to make your marriage work if your spouse is deliberately attacking your marriage. I also would have thought that things like trying to kill your spouse or making a false allegation to get your spouse arrested would also count. I suppose you can argue that if you're dead or incarcerated, then that is a kind of "negative adultery" like you talked about. If you are permanently separated from your spouse due to the threat of abuse, then isn't that de facto the same as abandonment? I think what you said about how women are sinning more today is utterly uncontroversial to anyone who cares about the truth. The fact that I can't find a pastor like you who will call it like it is is the main reason why I haven't gone to church in years. When I got married I thought about trying to find a church again, but I thought that any church that didn't call out female sexual sin would be a danger to my marriage, so for the sake of my marriage, I have not brought my wife to church.

[@Fivesolas777]

Hi Pastor Joel, what would you say about a man trying to pursue a second wife (polygamy). It seems to be a growing trend of men thinking that polygamy is allowable and that polygamy was not punished as adultery in the OT. They typically define adultery as only based on the marital status of the woman and not the man. Just curious your thoughts if you have time. Thank you!

[@John14Verse6]

Is that how the Bible defines it? Read the story of David and Uriah’s wife and ask yourself, what would God had given David if he had only asked?

[@Fivesolas777]

@@John14Verse6 Well, I have an answer to this and don’t believe it to be what you are hinting at. But I’d like Pastor Joel to respond if he is willing 😀

[@John14Verse6]

@@Fivesolas777Same, I love his well thought out process to which he responds.

[@tesseract535]

Why are subtitles unavailable?

[@brent5795]

They're usually not available right after the video is uploaded. It takes some time after it's up.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

@@brent5795 - Yes I believe that is the reason.

[@JR-rs5qs]

Joel, you need to read Except for Fornication by Dan Jennings. It's free online. You're just not informed on divorce and remarriage. You need to understand betrothal marriage and the passages in Deuteronomy to understand what Jesus is talking about.

[@JR-rs5qs]

Calvin can't speak for God mind and neither can you ("in the eyes of God, he or she is dead"). If they are alive, they're alive even if the state isn't living up to its duties. Man, this is so disappointing.

[@justinwooten9998]

Jesus permits divorce in the case of adultery, but he doesn't permit remarriage. You are allowed to choose to be a spiritual eunuch if you divorce your spouse for adultery, but you are not allowed to go get another wife or husband. This is why his disciples say in Matt 19:10 “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry." Preachers speak about this as if the great sin of fornication and adultery is the mere act of divorce itself, but it is the remarriage that is the abomination in the eyes of Christ. This was never an issue in the church for over a 1,000 years, and now the Beast "Christians" want to pretend Jesus is fine and dandy with their second and third marriages. He is not, and fornicators and adulterers will NOT inherent the Kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9).

[@JR-rs5qs]

You're correct. The bill of divorce is a judgement rather than an insolvency of the marriage in order to be able to remarry. The modern church is incredibly ignorant on this issue, including Joel.

[@sandybitter4609]

So if I understand your statement correctly, getting remarried after a divorce is also an unforgivable sin?

[@JR-rs5qs]

@sandybitter4609 i think you're putting words in his mouth. Repentance is necessary in the Christian life and continuing in adulterous marriages is not repentance and, thus, is a sign that repentance and belief is not evident. We must trust Christ with everything and accpept the consequences of actually repenting of our sins. Christians sin despite them already being forgiven. Willingly sinning is another issue. Hebrews 10:26-27. It is self evident that remarriage as long as the other spouse is alive is adultery. There's only 1 unforgiveable sin and it's not adultery but for those who continue in adultery are adulterers.

[@justinwooten9998]

@@sandybitter4609 Every night the remarried lie down with their new "spouse," they are crucifying Christ again (Heb 6:6) and making a mockery of him. Jesus hated the Nicolaitans (Rev 2:6) because they were wife-swappers. That's how Jesus looks at your remarriage; you are a wife-swapper in the church. Christ plans to wage war against those who preach this spouse-swapping lie (Rev 2:16). You are Jesus' friend if you do what he commands you to do (John 15:14), and those commands include not getting remarried, not separating what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). Those who preach this lie are preaching uniting the Body of Christ to a prostitute (1 Cor 6:16).

[@sandybitter4609]

@@JR-rs5qs it was certainly not my intention to put words in your mouth. If a professing Christian gets a divorce and then remarries, are you suggesting that they were never a Christian because they willfully got a divorce and remarried? If that is the case, what is the remedy to have forgiveness by God?

[@rg1360]

Jesus says the sons of the resurrection will not marry or be given in marriage. This is because those who have awakened/reborn/died to self etc. Realise marriage is an ego self-construct. The idea of a wedding is to say in front of your family, my family and the priest that you won't betray my ego. Sign this document to make it permanent. All things on the outside/world are impermanent including marriage. Only the divine/kingdom/transcendent is eternal